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Practice 1: 19:30 BST (60 mins)
Qual 2:      20:30 BST (20 mins)
Race:        20:50 BST 25 Laps - note: no warm up!

STANDING START!

Cars allowed: Any car from Formula 1 1988 For GTR2 V0.9 - Available to download from here (http://www.pilsbierbude.de/component/option,com_remository/Itemid,26/func,fileinfo/id,1261/lang,en/) or here. (http://www.simworldgt.com/?n=Formula_One_-_F1_1988&p=download_details&id=52)
Track: Suzuka v2.9.0.3 (download from here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54521#post_suzuka)).
Race Start Time: 14:00


Weather: DRY.

Tyre wear: normal.
Fuel consumption: normal.

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Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3349.0) - especially the speed limiter starting procedure and the rules about in-game chat messages.
(2) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R;group=245;theme=3)
(3) You will not be able to join the server without the car physics pack and track (see links above).
(4) Drivers may only change car once in the season without penalty.
(5) Drivers are reminded that they must select ISDN as their bandwidth, otherwise the stability of everyone's connection will be reduced.
(6) Please use the Driver Details (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=profile;sa=driver_info) page to ensure that the league management software has your correct GTR2 'Driving Name' (not necessarily the same as your lobby name).
(7) The server will be set to 26 slots, not 28.


Note: Again we are aiming at a balanced grid for this event so please consider this when choosing your car.


Entry List - Please reserve your car

MCLAREN          

LIGIER                H@L (Johanssen)  

            
MARCH               Legzy (Capelli) Spanner (Gugelmin)
            
FERRARI             Phspok (Berger)

ARROWS             Truetom (Cheever)  Ade (Warwick)
        
WILLIAMS              

LOTUS                SBG (Nakajima)  Navin (Piquet)          

BENETTON          SRW (Nannini)  goldtop (Boutsen)

COLONI              

MINARDI             Lazlow (unknown)

ZAKSPEED  

SUZUKA!!!....damn you....and there's me saying on teamspeak I wouldn't run this mod again :angel:

Suzuka is one of the tracks from the RL '88 season. I found this track very challenging in testing these cars, but also much less problematic as far as bumpiness.....it's a much smoother ride here.

We'll run the practice server again after Sunday's SGT race. Car choices are open and we are again aiming for a nice balanced grid. I again request that you reserve them here so we have no duplication of drivers on track.

Hi Goldtop,

Hi Goldtop,

dont know what just happened, but my message got posted half way through writing it!

Can i please reserve the benetton ford again, can i reserve the Nannini car this time (might give me a bit of luck as i remember he actually one the 88 race in suzuka when the maclarens punted each other off!)

Bagsy the Proton Lotus again please. If you want me try something different shout now as my pracci time will be limited.

Were you seriously not gonna try this mod again Lazlow? Surely not.

Hi mate  ;)



You mean to say you want my Benetton  ;) Didn't bring me a lot of luck at Brno, so yes ok I'll put you down for it.

Incidently it was 1989 that Senna punted Prost into the gravel tried to pull a slightly ambitious move on Prost into T1. In the 1988 race he spent the last few laps pointing at the sky as there were a few spots of rain and he wanted the race stopped...while he was in front of course and needed the win to take the championship :angel:


Lotus is fine Ian, but try to post a race setup lap time if you get the chance as this will be a good marker for us.

First post updated.

I'm going for the Boutsen Benetton as I've done all my track testing for a possible season so far with this and have rough setups in place. I might try the Ligier though to see if it's as strong as I thought at Brno or if it was just a fluke.

Couldn't resist a quick blast. Suzuka is brilliant in these cars. I think Degner (?) can be taken flat but so scarey :)

Race fuel and tyres (hard/hard) was mid 39's but room for 1 or 2 seconds improvement I think. Got to be a POWER track?

Done a few laps, and I can just get high 39s with the Ferrari with race fuel and less wing than I was running at Brno
So my default would be to be Mr Berger again.

Depends how much practice you're going to do between now and Tuesday ;) I found the lap times very similar to those at Brno from my testing. After lots of laps I'm at mid 38s in the Benetton and I reckon that's about my limit. However after half a dozen laps in the fezza I was doing mid 35s. I've put you down for the fezza but let us know how you get on.

I've had a run in the Arrows and the tyre wear looks quite heavy, but again it is very quick here. It does look as if it will be ok for a one stopper though as will all cars.

RL race length here was 51 laps, so I'm going for 50% RL at 25 laps....race announcement amended.

Are we to change cars then?

It's a free choice again TT, but I'm still aiming to have an even grid to give us some nice close racing.

I know you weren't keen on the Arrows last time because of the tyre wear, but hopefully I've negated that with the slightly longer race length. I believe most cars will be better to pit for tyres and those which try to go race length will have to look after their tyres more. For instance my Benetton is borderline for a no stop with expected tyre wear of 25 to 30 by the end of the race, but then again it is a couple of seconds a lap slower than some cars.

Hopefully these test races will give us an idea of the relative race strengths of the cars so that we can all choose accordingly.

Got to 39s in Arrows and I think it's the limit of the car / me combo. Tyres wear was more than 1,5 per lap - hards, no fuel. Very high, though I reduced front wing to 40 and rear to 45 and I don't dare go any lower, it was kicking all over already. Might try some others.

Did you use 'Hards' in the last race TT?
You were just about the quickest man in whatever strategy you were using, if you did the same again here, surely you'd be quicker than GT again, not slower & the new race length would no longer 'hurt' the arrows? :-\
You'd be the man to know any way. :D

Another great choice for these cars track wise ;D. I think I'll stick with the Lotus for the time being,thx ;).

I think I was probably too strong in the March at Brno.

So think I should be relegated to bring the field closer together, there were at least three quicker than me too :whistling:

Not sure where I'll find some time to get any laps in, so the Lotus would be good (I did a lot of laps at Brno in it), when someone else admits he was faster than me in the last event ;), if not, I'll just have to take whatever is available that's slower. :)

Looking at the laptimes, of the 7 drivers within a second of each other you were only the 6th fastest and the 8th fastest overall. I was the slowest (but you were holding me up  ;)) :angel:

To finish 2nd meant that you were more consistent than others, so nout wrong with that. If you're comfy in the March, I'd suggest sticking with it for now.


I'll put you down for the Piquet car then Navin.....no deliberately smashing it up this time though, to allow your team mate to win  ;)

Rather than me practising in cars i cant drive, can some one who has suggest a decent handling car? I've only really tried the lotus and ferrari round Brno (i've wiped the arrows from my mind)

ok, March then please

The only really awkward one is the Arrows, but I'm even growing to like that. The March, Ferrari and Williams are very sweet as is the Benetton which is a little slower (honest ;)) The McLaren would get you quick without having to really stretch it.

I'll put up my setups here for various cars this evening if anyone wants to try them.


Capelli it is then.

Yes, Legzy, I used hards. :) The only thing about longer race is that all would have to pit. Or I should hope. ;) Ok, I'll stick with Arrows to do a proper comparable test. :)

But don't forget there's another race today. :D

Thank you Mr. Cheever  ;)

Ok, put me down for the March then

Huh.

I still get issues running through pretty much most corners through the first section.

Annoyingly i've also noticed firing up the seperate install for the f1's and it has kept the ffb levels in game from running on friday using the other install for the superGT's  ???

Some setups for Suzuka in various stages of development.....

http://www.humyo.com/FHWPvLQ/F1%2088%20setups/?a=_gF-HMTfc18



First post updated with spanner's March (Gugelmin)

Server up  :)

I hope to be on after 9pm.

Can I join TT in the other Arrows please.


                                                         Cheers Ade

I knew someone would be silly brave enough   ;)  I've put you in Mr Warwick's car.

Hey Ade. I'd be interested how you'd set it up. :)

Reckon I should be in the 37's for most of the race, till the tyres become an issue :scared:

I thought we were going to try a slightly longer race? ???

25 laps at an average 1:38 pace (:yawn:) means a race of about 40mins 30secs again.

For a 45 min race, it should be set to 28 laps.
For a 50 min race, it should be set to 30 laps.

Hope that helps :)

Hopefully I'll be able to drop in the 37's come race day.

GT - Can you put me in the Coloni. Thanks

Erm....don't quite know how I did that ???  Probably me thinking average F1 race 1hr 40mins x 50% = 50 mins. Anyway thanks for pointing it out, probably a bit late to change now but I think most would benefit from a pitstop to change tyres anyway.

I'll get it right next week :-[


That Coloni's a bit of a dog mate, but seeing the pace you were getting from it I reckon you'll have others to race with. Thanks and let's see how it goes.

Thanks for the setups GT ;D I was getting lost on setup with these cars. Was having a hell of a time with snap oversteer while trail braking with anything I tried. Your Lotus set works very well entering the corner and even puts the power down better exiting ;D.

I'd imagine thats where you got it from GT.

Worked out my setups issue. It was seeing the setups folder from my 'normal' ukgtr install, and i suspect the plr file as ffb settings in game was as i had it on sunday night for the superGT's, even though i started it from a different folder. Thought i'd change my name in game to help distinguish between each.

I have to say these are just a bit too quick for me, the speed through first section is mind blowing. last night i lifted slightly out of the hairpin to let Legzy through and didnt react quick enough! Driving close to people is going to be especially difficult in these.

Can I have the Ligier again please?

Cheers H@L. You're in the Johannsen car again.


They do take a bit of getting used to, but after a while it becomes almost slow motion.

Particular care is needed when following close behind...I was almost caught out a couple of times behind Legzy at Brno. It's a good idea to be patient and wait for opportunities, because anything more than slight contact with the person in front is likely to cause the loss of a front wing and ruin one's own race.

You lifted when I was two yards back, directly behind & in a flat out acceleration place, I not sure what else you were expecting! :-\ :lol:

Driving close is going to require people to engage in the use of some common sense ;), a level of trust in your rival & some courteous driving... All things this league is happy to pride itself on :)

I can't even get in the 38's ?? So I'm going to jump in the Ligier instead

ok......I've put you in the Arnoux car.

Standing starts isn't a great idea for this. Realism is good but spinning out cause the gent in front is slow away or visa versa will get very boring, very quickly for me. In fact, one time is enough :)

Gotta say the mod is very good after more use.

crashed, smashed the front wheel off, but managed to get back to the pits (thinking it could be repaired so i could get out for some mileage under my belt), the pit crew put four new tyres on but when i was dropped off the jacks the broken one was missing again  :(

Is there a race this sunday?

Car handling and sounds are good, the mod....not quite so.

PC decided to jump to desktop, and when I came back to the game my car was (lets say) a little bashed up :D
Span my way back to the pits to get repaired, and after 2 mins of waiting I went to start the engine and it didn't fire up. Had to then exit the game.

I decided to test the Minardi offline to see if I had the same engine start problems, and surely enough I did.
I then tested the Williams I drove last week for comparison, and had no problems starting the engine.

Just another issue that seems to crop up every time I play this mod.
Is this mod fairly new? because at the moment I feel like I'm beta testing instead of actually racing :(

Also I believe Matt Rowe and Navin were having ctd when they entered the pits??

Aiming for another podium tonight, despite starting from the back due to children duties during qually.

Lap 1, went into T10(?) (left hand hairpin after 1st time check-point) patiently lining up behind SRW... Spanner clouted me up the rear from 100 yards back, taking me off & braking the back of my car, think he put a wheel on the grass.

Tried to get round to the pits, to try to salvage anything out of what was a fantastic combo GT 8)), but went off once thinking I'd be OK on an almost straight changing upto 4th ::) & then went off that the kink before the pits. I turned & the rear just flew round with the zero grip back there. Smashed into a wall at 130+.... >:(

Race over at my favourite circuit on lap 1. :(

Gutted.



I'd like to add, the way I was hit had nothing to do with any difficulty with close driving (Spanner was miles back) or any issue with the mod. My race would have been pretty much ended in what ever sim, after an impact like that.

I was doing fine until the tyres went off (same story at Brno) they seem to go off much more suddenly than I am used to
understeered off into a fence and removed the front wing, and bent the suspension, pitted for repairs and new tyres
came out right in Navin's way on cold tyres, and lost it into the same fence trying to keep out of his way, crawled round
for a 2nd stop for repairs again, came out and flew round but was too far back from HAL to do much, thjough he seemed to also
have pitted.
GOod fun these things, all the same
Not sure about the pit stop CTD thiny. I ctd'd when someone joined a couple of days ago. People get booted as cheat
even more than in P&G. I CTD when stopping in pits once,and once when someone joined tonight.
I noticed that my graphics fan was not whining in it's usual style, WIndows had helpfull yupdated the driver and had
missed off the manual fan control, so I reinstalled older drivers, set fan at 70%, and had no trouble after that, though
I may have had no trouble anyway, no idea.

It's hard to tell how much of this is down to the mod/server/add on track/PCs/GTR2. This is why we are testing and I promise you, I have put in a lot of testing and research so far and haven't come up against major issues. Hopefully we will learn what is or isn't possible and what works and what doesn't work from these events. The standard track Brno did seem less problematic though :-\

As far as the quality of mod is concerned, it is officially a 0.9. There has been a lot of controversy over ownership etc. and because of this it was never properly finished. I don't want to appear flippant about this, but RL F1 is probably a 0.6 or 0.7 at best. I can accept it as being part of the "anything can happen and it usually does" experience and live with the frustrations that brings.

Rolling starts? That's a variable that we can at least control and would save people's races being ruined before they begin. It does take away some of that raw excitement though. Let's try it next time and see how we all feel....I don't believe there are any pit limiter lights on the back of these cars though, so it would mean a slight change to our usual proceedings.

My race report to follow....

 Yes I did notice after Matt was getting CTD while entering his pit stall that I was getting a similar CTD. Only in my case it did it right at the pitlane light which is exactly what happened at Brno for me.. In my case I think it could be that this is a very old install of GTR2 and has tons of add-ons which I think has made it a bit unstable. I'll do a fresh install of GTR2 and this mod only for next round and see if that clears up my problems :).
 As far as the race I had a decent start but Ade quickly pulled away a bit but then at the end of lap one he went a bit deep entering the last corner/chicane which allowed me to close right up. Got a good run on him going down the front straight and noticed his car topped out much earlier then mine so he must have been running a bit more downforce then me so I slipstreamed by him. Then Ade was on me like glue going through the s's but I was just able to hold him off till I got back to a couple of long straights and was able to get a small gap from him with my cars better top speed. After that I just tried to be consistent and push just enough to keep a decent gap and not abuse my tires. I have to thank GT for his setup as the car had great feel throughout the run.
   Big grats to Tom and GT for there solid podiums finishes :). Look forward to the next race with these ;D. Will have to try a different car for the next round.

Decided not to pit this time and see where it leads me. Well, tyres got up to 50 worn on the fronts and 40+ on the rear. I was losing 4 to 5 sec per lap in the end, compared to my best times. That means pitting in 25 laps race @ Suzuka would be better than not pitting. Considering I had three offs as I tried to drive on the edge with worn tyres confirms it as well.

Went with 37/38 wing this time. Ade must have had higher wing as I could get closer on a straight and he got away through corners. How were your tyres Ade, how much did they get worn?
Stayed with Ade and GT close on my tail. While my tyres were good I could stay close to Ade and edge away from GT. Then I made a mistake and lost a few places and had to repeat the process.
After Ade quit and my tyres were starting to go GT crept closer and closer and got past. Tried to stay close but made more small mistakes and was losing time. Fortunately GT wasn't immune to the same. I had a feeling between 10 and 5 laps to go that I could get closer a bit but at that time my front grip was so low that I had to lift off on the long uphill left-hander and was losing a lot of time there. Then in the last few laps I was just trying to keep the car on track. All in all might be just that we were differing on driving style where I was quicker on some parts and GT on others. My only advantage was in the first seconds of acceleration, then Benetton just drove away. Bad luck with accident on the last lap, GT. :-\

All in all Arrows seems competitive inside mortal drivers class, but the tyres have to be changed. If Benetton doesn't have to change tryes then Arrows is out of league. At least with me behind the wheel. ::) Ade got some crazy speed out of it, my limit in quali spec was high 36s.

Hope in the next race I can use planned pitstop strategy and then we can fully measure and compare. :)

I don't mind standing starts but I'm not against our standard procedure if it means safer starts. Killing 10+ % of cars at start is not an option for me. Or you could practice standing starts, sbg. ;)   

I only got my silly quali time by lowering my wing a bit, running with the rad at 1 and turning the rev limit all the way up so i needed one slow out lap and a fast one , by the end of the lap my engine was smoking like a good un.

Not really my cup of tea these things (just cant see how you can race them up close ??? ) not a lover of downforce but the only way i can drive them is with high wing.
Same as last week with SBG my speed through the bends was a lot faster than TT after he got past so i had to hit the brakes and lost all momentum and he was off into the distance :(

                                           Any one for 2CV racing ;D cheers Ade

I am very much enjoying the mod. :)

The cars felt great on the Suzuka track. They require more practise but, I love the high speed pace. I definitely aim to put more effort into practising with the cars.