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Preliminary post to get this event up and running.

The first race in this new team championship takes us to Canada and the excellent St Jovite circuit. This track has sections that suit the real muscle cars and other parts that suit the nimble Porsche and survival might be important for team points.

Race List = IGOR
Server = UKGPL_T7_2
IP address = 62.149.202.168
Race date = Sunday 01-05-2011
Time = 21:00 UK time (21:00 GMT)
Track = St Jovite http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=121 (http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=121)
Race length = 50 minutes (30 laps)
Variant = GT mod
Damage Model = Intermediate (see rules below re resets)
Qualifying time = 35 minutes. Don't start until 30 mins left on clock to allow everyone to join.
Password: see above (#post_event_password)
Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R;group=307;theme=6)

There will be rolling starts for all races with full moderation of both the warm-up and first lap.

Guidelines for rolling starts...

The car on pole will lead off the grid and maintain a steady pace for the 1st lap around 175kph
All drivers should form up in single file behind him leaving 3-4 car lengths between each car.
There is NO OVERTAKING on the 1st lap until the exit of the last corner.
It is the reponsibility of the lead car to ensure that all drivers are with him as he approaches the final corner.
Racing and overtaking begin AFTER the exit of the last corner, so you may overtake between the exit of the last corner and the S/F line.

Any driver who loses his position on the rolling lap, by going off, blowing his engine or through contact with another car ( regardless of fault) must rejoin at the back of the field.
Incidents on the rolling lap ( Lap 1) will be fully modded and anyone found to have caused another competitor to lose position through bad driving will be penalised appropriately.


The teams have been chosen and the cars are polished and ready to go.

TEAMS

RED TEAM          HRISTO ITCHOV,  Evilclive, Paul Badblood  
 Chap 2F / Mirage / Porsche
                                                                
BLUE TEAM        SAMB, Fulvio, Happy Al  
Chap 2F/ Lola/ Mirage

GREEN TEAM     ZACHARIA BLITO, Phil Thornton, Axel Cookie
Chapp 2F/ Ferrari P4 / Mirage

ORANGE TEAM        NIGEL SMITH, Tim FMG,Dave RAndall 
Ferrari P4 / Chapp 2D / Ford GT MK2.

GREY TEAM     Captained by Tim Vosblod who is looking after the part time drivers who cannot be sure to attend every race.

The cars for the Grey team for this season will be
Chapperal 2D
Mirage
Ford GT40 MK1


All drivers must drive all 3 team cars at least 3 times. At the end of the 10 race championship any TEAM found to be in breach of this rule will have its BEST TEAM points result of the season cancelled. Each driver will drop his worst 2 results, in line with the other championships, this gets over the problem of missed races and 2 man teams looking for a sub at the last minute.

The events will be run on Intermediate damage and allow ONE Shift-R with a compulsory 10 second pit stop regardless of fault. (This means 10 seconds in your pitbox without moving). Any driver who fails to take a 10 second stop within 1 lap after a Shift-R, will be disqualified from the results. For this division the full moderation of lap one now applying across all divisions will include both the warm up lap and lap one proper.

Please check the Season 21 pages for details (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=301&theme=6) regarding rules and the GT Team Challenge pages (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=307&theme=6) in particular.

Since we're going to use rolling starts, I suggest we come up with some basic regulations for the warm up lap to avoid any unnecessary accidents or unhappy faces. Here are a few suggestions and questions:

1) Have a speed limit for the driver on pole, so we don't see a situation I recall from a Monza race not so long ago when the pole sitter (forgot who) drove very quick and started the race with many of us spread out completely. 170-180 km/h seems like a good limit IMO and the driver in pole should also slow down before the end of the warm up lap and check his mirrors to allow everyone to form up properly behind, then drive flat out of the last turn.

2) Are we going to allow passing before the s/f line or not? IMO, especially with the Porsche in mind and the speed difference to other cars, passing should be allowed as soon as we exit the last corner (or in the case of tracks like St. Jovite - the final corner that is not flat out). It would also be safer in case someone messes up for whatever reason, so those behind wouldn't be forced to wait before they pass.

3) Are we doing single file or double file starts?

Sorry if any of that was already decided upon, but I can't see any details in either UKGPL site or the division details page here on the forums.

Hi Clive, I hope you don't mind but I've taken the liberty of re-posting this so it ties in with the corresponding lm2 event. Paul can do that for you next time ;)

Cheers Tim

Thanks Tim,  I dare not put my grubby hands on LM2 given my track record :-[


Ok Hristo.

I have added some guidelines for rolling starts on the main announcement post, generally in line with your views and from what we discovered in the pre season fun races.

OK, thanks. Check your PM btw!  :)

One more thing that pops to mind - if someone makes a mistake on the warm up lap and gets passed, can they return to their initial grid position by passing the cars in front? I'm sure it's going to happen, we actually saw it a couple of times already. Also, any accidental overtaking of a car during the warm up lap shouldn't be a problem if the passing car eases off and goes back to its position, right?

Could I just clarrify please that, following a couple of slow accelarations in the fun season where some drivers thought they could not speed up until the start line, is it ok to overtake prior to the start line should someone mistakely stay slow?  Or indeed is overtaking in general permitted (i.e. race on) from the exit of the final bend on L1 (rolling lap)?

Evil has explained that:

"Racing and overtaking begin AFTER the exit of the last corner, so you may overtake between the exit of the last corner and the S/F line."

What he means by lap 1 should maybe be edited to say warm up/rolling lap, to avoid confusion.

I would say the fair and easy thing to do would be to let the person who spun back into the field at the position at which they can rejoin after they spun. You could also say that the person who spun at the warm up lap has to start from the back. Being able to find your initial grid position back after a spin is very hard, so that doesn't sound like a good idea to me.

Tommie.

As a less seasoned driver, the thing that was hard about rolling starts was uneven pace. If the leader would set a steady pace and stick to it then nobody should spin. No point zooming away from ascari at 200 mph and then brake testing everybody into parabolica! The rolling lap is meant to avoid incidents, not cause them.

I think I have led two warm up laps in the rolling starts we had in the test season and I always kept a steady pace in those. Despite that, there were a lot of offs and incidents on both of those warm up laps, so you can't say it's the leader's fault.  ;)

IMO, some people just got/get too excited and push their cars too much instead of simply cruising in a higher gear at low revs and maintain the gap between the car in front while avoiding sudden changes of speed so the car behind is not caught out by surprise.

I think the leader should do a constant pace of max 100mph if possible.

The ones that spin out by own fault should keep their position where they rejoin,
being innocent bumped out I should be allowed to regain my grid position.

Yes, that should work best, although if someone sees someone else going for a pass and does not know that it's a driver who is trying to regain a position, they made react aggressively and block/battle the driver. Perhaps whatever happens, just stick to wherever you return in the grid.

As for the leader, constant speed aside, it's important that he doesn't just drive blindly into the distance buy keep an eye on the cars behind and make sure they're well positioned before the last corner, to avoid gaining any unfair advantage.

Opps, yes so he did.

No confusion as to what 1st lap means.  I think I can figure that bit out.

Yeah, I didn't mean you, but just anyone who might be confused by it.

A rule that's used in some real world racing, regarding the regaining of grid position wile rolling towards the start is . . . if the rearward car has not been passed by all it's competitors, it's Ok to retake an original position.  But once dropped to last, it must remain last.  Trouble is, I forsee further confusion and anxiety, if this were attempted in GPL.  Seems to me anxiety ratings and incidents are already running high, thanks to rolling starts.  On the other hand, perhaps confusion adds back some of the excitement removed, when standing starts are removed.

They have outside assistance in real racing such as radio communication, pit boards, hand and flag signals, and so on, so I also think it would be a bit too complicated to do in GPL. Also, I don't want to see someone returning ahead of their original position, LOL.

It seems to me that a sensible ruling here to avoid potential chaos on the rolling lap would be.....

Any driver who loses his position on the rolling lap, by going off, blowing his engine or through contact with another car ( regardless of fault) must rejoin at the back of the field.
Incidents on the rolling lap ( Lap 1) will be fully modded and anyone found to have caused another competitor to lose position through bad driving will be penalised appropriately.

I think this is the only way to handle this sensibly because,

a) If two cars are trying to regain their original grid positions as we are approaching the final bend we have the possibility of total confusion and chaos. Most people will be concentrating on the car directly in front and preparing to launch themselves off the last bend and probably taking a variety of lines through the bend to try and gain an advantage. The last thing they will be expecting is 2 cars to go zooming past at racing speed !!!
b) If the rolling starts are conducted properly and a 3-4 car length gap maintained at a steady pace, there really is no reason for anyone to lose their place. The only random element would be a GPL breakdown or blown engine. As a Shift-R to repair the engine would automatically leave you last and requiring a 10 second pitstop you are last anyway!
c) How can we be sure that a driver knows exactly where he should be in the rolling grid? what if the car that was in front of him also has a dumb moment? Now he has no marker and might travel too far up the grid.... I can see that making him very popular!!!

So, if you screw up on Lap 1 you rejoin at the rear of the field!

So I understand:

If you bump me out, I have to stay in grass until the last driver has passed me!?

Lets not forget that Lap one is fully moderated so anyone *CAUSING* problems to other drivers on the rolling start will be punished!
So behave or feel the wrath of the all powerful Moderator!
Arkvoodle has spoken.

I can't see how anybody could have a problem with that - never compromises my races ;)

Practice server is up - UKGPL 3

May I just suggest to put the date of the start in the announcement's topic title, just like all other announcements. Just spent a minute before figuring out which is this Sunday's race thread.  ::)

Sorry that would be me - when I merged the topics it didn't take the default race header...

T7 server is ready set for a Int Long race of 30 laps, listening on Igor in Console session.
Ciao

Thanks Fulvio.  ;D

This is going to be a hard race I think. I don't seem to be able to adjust my driving style for these cars, leading to all sorts of unpleasant car behaviour. I've managed to dial-out some of the cars handling issues but until I dial-out my own driving issues I'm going to have a struggle on my hands.... best I can hope for is to drive to finish ands hope not to disgrace my Team Green colleagues... Go Greens!!

Well - you are in the top ten in GPLRank - as am I <ahem>

You are not alone Jason.

I too have found these GT's ( Porsche excepted) a very different challenge. In all of the other mods I seem to be able to get a setup/driving style that allows me to be relatively relaxed as I race with time to take in on what others are doing a few cars ahead and behind me.
But thus far in the GT's, I find that I am using all 3 of my brain cells fighting the car and the handling just to post average times and am concious that I am not aware of what is happening around me !!

So the plan is, to blitz away on the 1st lap and build a 10 second cushion to 2nd place so I don't have to worry about anything behind. Then I am relying on the whole field being fast enough to avoid being lapped. That way I can drive on my own without distraction  ;D  that is my plan!, others might not see it as their ideal race  :-\

The GTs can be made to handle similarly to the F1 cars, so that's what I strive for when tweaking my setup. That way you can apply your already developed driving style without having to adapt too much. The only thing I have to keep reminding myself of is to be careful under braking and corner entry as to avoid triggering the nasty wheel lock-up bug.

lol that "bug" certainly focuses the mind on "late braking"!!!  Something that I have become VERY aware of  :o

I am lapping in the 50's here and am having to be very cautious at certain points. I am aware that I am arriving at certain corners having lost too much speed but every time I try to brake/lift off a bit later I spin :(

Then focus on earlier acceleration, at least that never leads to sudden spinning and it gains you more time anyway. Also, you should never lift up completely on corner entry and mid-corner, that will prevent you from spinning.

Due to server issues (read as 'Waza sabotage') the race password for tonight is now 'race1' minus the '' bits for any late comers  :)

What a disaster - not my best showing ever.
Found the Mk1 hard going, it doesn't seem to like slowing down LOL, but I was still surprised there was such a big gap to the top.
Anyway head down and just finish, at least that was the plan. A small tap early on threw me but that really didn't make the slightest difference to my race so not even going to bother looking, I was quite capable of messing it up on my own.
Was following Paul for a while but not enough to make a mark then Al passed and I kept it tight but was completely surpirsed to find FMG following through so early on. Lost the plot and had to take a reset.
BIG note to self, when trying out the track make sure you know where the pit entrance is. It threw me I span and ended up splatt across the S/F with lappers approaching. Rather then become the black sheep of UKGPL an exit seemed the best option - sorry 'greys'.
Anyway next time (there won't be one of course) I will risk the wrath of evil and go round for a second try rather then doing a 190.

Great fun while it lasted and congrats to winners and finishers whoever they are.
Sorry for the server troubles Paul - even after launching loads I still have a little checklist, so easy to hit the wrong button.

More GPL problems for me.. this time it was internet connection having a momentary "blip", causing me to disco from a comfy 9th with only 3 to go.... :(
Not having much luck at the minute.

       I understand a few people had a good race there, didn't see it myself  :( After a good few laps [about 20] offline practice I felt quite happy with the handling of the tank and was looking forward to a steady, if not fast race. Online, things just weren't the same, the car understeered very badly and bucked wildly over the first hill/ right hander. And to compound it all the wheel decided to kick back like a mule, even on the straights, despite nothing being changed in the settings. Oh well more research into techie stuff needed. Onwards and upwards, hopefully.
   
           Grats to all who finished and especially to Tim for the inaugaral win in this series- feel the juice. Orange, get it?. ::)

Big apologies to everyone for the muck up over the start - I have two PCs that I can swap between so that I can make it easy but my Chrome had decided to clear my password cache (hmmm must have a word with my 14 year old) so I wasn't logged in to the forum so I couldn't get the password :(

Got the server settings wrong so I had to restart and then got the name wrong arrrrgggghhhhh.

OK Third time is a charm. So off I go. Quite pleased to get a 1:49 and off we go on the rolling lap - what's that - a yellow Vos sneaking past? Shall I take the place back - was I in fact behind. Never mind I'll get him on the last corner....

No I won't, he's quicker than me to the line. Never mind, give him a tap going in to T2 - never mind the Lap 1 penalty points - wobble around the hilly corners, spin and rejoin REALLY badly in front of Al. Ah Penalty Points galore. Never mind, let's race. Get past Al after he makes a small mistake and mange to sneak past Nigel. Best part of the race. Al catches me up and we race for a few laps (enjoyed it whilst it lasted mate) - I'm quicker in the turns, he's got it on the straights. Overall he's quicker. My big plan of using the lappers to close up fails due to my total inability to keep up lol.

Towards the end Dave catches me and I take a tight line to let him past but maybe not tight enough. He spins and collects me. Shift-R time and tens seconds allows Nigel to catch up. I am defending like mad but I've got cold tyres. I squeeze him on the straight but he is brave BUT a bit too hot. He beaches and... so do I. Kamikaze effort to get past on the next corner spins me and I limp home.

But what's this? Tim has passed Nigel just before the S/F so we weren't actually racing. I have FINALLY beaten Nigel. Except I won't after Lap 1 modding! All in all a quiet race <ahem>

I even had time to spin in front of my team mate Evil just to show off my new skills :D

Nige, back when I was using FF I always noticed much different FF behaviour between offline and online driving, so perhaps you should do your practice online, either joining a server or hosting by yourself.

Do you not use FF now H?

Oh dear did I? Big apology, it wasn't deliberate I just followed the car in front and didn't see you. I did look left on the grid but the car to that side looked slightly back. I'll double-check next time.

Hi Nigel

Look if in IGOR by joining the option "Override Force-Feedback" is unchecked!

I am in a similar situation. I practiced offline with 36fps in the afternoon and had no problem getting a 1:42:xx time. Also aimed to crack the 1:41...
But in Quali online I couldnt reach any of this times by far, a 1:44:06 was my best...
I dont understand this! Maybe I am too much excited and carefull, but think this would be -1sec. Had no probs with fps or connections!
Is there a technical reason for beeing slower with full grid?

My race was fun, had a nice time with Fulvio ( great thing with two ChapFs sound :D ) but did some little mistakes. At the end last in leaders lap  ;D

Hope the greenies are happy with  my result, as this was the most hated track for me...

Cheers
Axel

I was about to congratulate everyone on making the rolling start work faultlessly ...but there is always someone........................ :-\ lol.

Thanks to everyone for a great first round of out first proper GT season in UKGPL. From where I was the racing seemed close, and there seemed to be quite a few battles taking place.

Grat to Tim on setting a stunning pace in the Hairdressers favourite car, kind of worrying that he took to it so well ::)
Samb proved his raw speed and rubbed it in , by catching me twice and and throwing himself off the track only to close a 3rd time, when I was hampered by back markers  ( no complaints the, cars in question had nowhere to go and moved over as soon as they could) and then audaciously drive past!! just to prove how easy it was :-\

I think this was my first race in the 2F, except for an initial try out when the mod was released, and although I netted a 2nd grid spot I was fighting the beast for most of the race and was wary of trying to run at my qually speed in case of mistakes.

Paul did a great job in sorting the server after a few initial gremlins.Those of us who have done that task before, know the pressure that comes with it. 16 or more adreniline junkies waiting for their octane fix and made to wait an extra frustrating 5 minutes, do not create the best environment for cool, calm thinking  ;) .

The next round is at Effex, which should produce an entirely different race.
With a lap time of just over 60 secs against that at St Jovite of 1:43 ish, it is going to be a very busy ribbon of tarmac, plus the Porsches and Mk1's might not be at such a disadvantage. Which might have been why it was selected  ;).

Because there were some server issues during last nights race, and because importing the results into SROU with the teams is a slightly new procedure, it might take a few days to get the results posted. Please be patient and allow the suspense to build (lol) whilst the backroom boys do their stuff.

Terrific race that  :). Really enjoyed it. To be honest I wasn't sure what to expect as I hadn't had time to practice, but remembering what happened at the last GT race at St. Jovite in my tricky Mirage, I set up the Lola in a more conservative fashion, with slight understeer on entry to a corner but controllable oversteer when I lifted off the throttle and put the power down hard. The setup worked a treat and the Lola was an absolute peach to drive  ;D.

I managed to qualify 3rd, but over a second off Tim's blistering time and proceeded to hound Clive for the first half of the race, only to throw myself off the road whenever I got close  :-\. Eventually, after my third attempt, Clive was having some trouble lapping a few cars, and I duly took advantage and passed after getting a good exit out the chicane. Tim was way too far ahead so I just raced my own race, looking after the engine and finished a happy 2nd.

Congrats to Tim on a fine win and Clive on a fighting 3rd. And congrats to the rest of the blue team for making it to the end as well  :). Looking forward to the madness at Efexx.

Should now all be present and correct - look in the championship tables to see how the teams are doing.

Yes, that was the low point of the race for me, as the result of it was to hand Hristo a gift of another place and the loss of Orange points to Team Red  :(  After the straight I went for the inside of the right and then looked left on the approach to the tight left hander to still see Paul still there, so I stayed very wide at the next corner but put a wheel on the grass.    Anyway, on checking the replay you gave me plenty of room by the corner entry Paul and I could have taken the usual line safely, so I apologise for the incident.  The left mirror on that 2D leaves a lot to be desired!

Other than that, wasn't too bad, although had a couple of unforced errors.  These cars are a handful aren't they?  Interesting to hear your comments on the braking bug.  I was having problems with this in practise where the car would want to plough straight on even as I was coming off the brakes.  In the end I put even more bias to the rear which seemed to help and was down to 52% in the end.

Had some good laps battling with Juha early on, and then caught him again a bit later and passed him after he had a moment, although he overall had the measure of me and eventually pulled away, especially when I had a few erratic laps which were down to my faltering concentration I think.

Overall good fun and looks promising for a close battle over the season..


 

I just 'took one for the team' Dave.  :laugh:

Nope, no drivers for my gameport wheel past Windows 98, so the FF does not work properly, especially in GPL.

good racing ,it was little suprise of front guys goes so fast there. Good speed Tim and Ferrari !   :eek:

my of race was only limited to Mirage's limited power , was following close Dave's Chapparal , few error but finally i managed to stay with him and passed when he make small mistakes.It seemed i was faster on corners as he was fast on long straights  ::) good racing

in the end of the race i thought i was 3rd as Evil have some connection problems or something ?

looking to Efexx

Didn't expect to win in my first proper GT race  ;D

Did a load of practice for this (Although most of it was in the Mk2 Ford  ::) ) to ensure that both my teamies and I had decent setups for all the cars. I discovered in my practicing that the P4 was a second faster than the 2D but was always expecting H to be given Team Red's 2F and therefore to equal whatever times I managed!
Glad he didn't now  :ninja:

Practice went very well, I scored a new PB (And as Juha pointed out a WR) on my way to pole, and then did my best to do a smooth job on the rolling start - Hope I did OK there as I'd never done one before and didn't pay a huge amount of attention to the guidelines as I hadn't expected to be pole-man  :-[

I took the first 2-3 race laps quite steady as the P4 is incredibly twitchy on cold tyres, then as I started to gain more feedback and control I increased my pace hoping that the field behind would either be forced to let me run away or would start making mistakes trying to stay with me  ;)

This went excellently until about lap 10 or 11 when I looked at my fuel amount and couldn't work out if I was burning more than I should have - I carried on driving flat out for a lap in order to check my consumption (just over 0.6gal/Lap) and discovered that was near enough what I expected then tried to work out how many laps were left in the tank...
I'm not great at mental arithmatic at the best of times and St Jovite hardly gives you time to concentrate on counting - as a result I was left uncertain as to my range and decided to play it safe and conserve fuel until the fuel numbers/laps remaining were smaller and I could do the maths properly  :laugh:

At the point I slowed I had over 20 seconds lead from Sam (Although it might just as easily been an invisible clive I guess) so decided I could afford to start shortshifting without loosing much if any ground.
This worked as Sam stayed pretty much level with my times from then on but another comedy attempt at maths on my part resulted in my deciding I needed to conserve more - So I took to coasting into corners where possible and even rolling from the hump all the way to T10!.

This was making a noticable improvement on my fuel consumption although allowing Sam to start to close at upto a second avery 2 laps IIRC.
With 10 to go I finally managed to count high enough and worked out my range was now a few laps more (at .6/lap) than the distance to the flag so re-enganged warp drive and started pulling away again  ;D

May I say a huge well done to everyone I lapped - you all did a great job, especially considering the questionable mirrors in many of the cars!

Well done to Sam and Clive for their podium spots and Good work team Orange - I note we're the early leaders in the championship! Now we just need to stay there  ;)


Can I borrow Sam's Lola aswell please sometime - I have no idea how he finished the race as I always blow them up  :wacko:

The fact that you were coasting in the 1:41's Tim really gives me encouragement <ahem> I was really busting my balls for 1:50's in my Porker - I was knackered at the end. Had a look at the replay as ADM to spot any naught doers and I have definitely found one!

When my penalty points from this one expire I may be able to do 1:40's like you :D

Not only that I managed to put a short stop in so unlike England I'm going to score loads of penalties.... <sigh>

Enjoyed it though lol

I havn't check but I suspect the economy laps were closer to 1:43's Paul!  :D

I still have to thank the fez for the pace as it was over a second quicker in practice for me than any other car  :)

Moderating for this event now published.

Thx for having a look at the incident above.
I have only to add that Nigel slowed down to let us by in a difficult place, right on the right bend apex, that caught me unprepared and had to steer left to avoid to rear end him and slow down my pace. Hristo had the time to react better than me and got a better exit. I wouldn't have expected a smart pass as that, so I took my normal line and we collided. I'm sure he would have had another chance to pass me.
Please lapped driver, I'm speaking to myself too, don't slow down in the middle of a turn to let by someone, wait for a bit of straight.
Thanks :)
Ciao

"The following incident was not reported but is worthy of mention I feel.

34:28 Hristo and Fulvio.

Fulvio is catching Nigel to lap him in his 2F and Hristo is close behind in his Mirage. On the exit of the sharp right after the bridge Fulvio has a slow exit because he is behind Nigel. On the run up to the final turn the extra grunt of Fulvio's 2F powers him past Nigel who has kept to the right hand side. Hristo has taken advantage of the slow exit and is carrying more speed. He also dives past Nigel on the first of gentle right hand curves and finds that Fulvio has run out to the left hand side of the track leaving the door wide open for the inside line on the second right flick. Fulvio is clearly unaware that Hristo is 75% alongside and moves across to his right.
Fulvio is spun out and blows his engine trying to recover forcing him to take Shift-R and a 10 second pitstop.

The poor rear vision in the GT's contributed to this incident. The last time Fulvio saw Hristo's Mirage in his mirror, it was 20+ metres behind him before Fulvio went past Nigel. He did not expect to make contact with a car when he moved to the right. In fact Fulvio might well have assumed that it was Nigel's car that he hit until he saw the replay.
I think this has to go down as a Racing Incident, but is a reminder to everyone that the rearward vision in these cars IS a problem and we need to exercise some caution on all sides"

I dont understand, that it is not known by everybody:

There are VIRTUAL MIRRORS available for every GT.car!
http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=6680

"1) Because we are using rolling starts in these races it is important to be sure exactly where you should be when the grid is formed. A quick check to be sure whose car you should be following on the warm up lap is easy, and will automatically solve any glitches with a staggered grid that is not quite perfect in future races."

Sry, that one slipped my attention, now the grid has been corrected.
Ciao

I'm using those, but it didn't help, I was focused to keep control of those Chappy's crazy horses  ;D