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Title: UKPnG Season 6 - Charade (1989-) - May 5
Post by: phspok on April 29, 2011, 12:10:17 AM +0100
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Practice: 19:20 (UK London) (60 mins)
Qual 2: 20:20 (15 mins)
Race: 20:35 (18 laps)
Cars allowed: Shelby Cobra Coupe (including Willment), Porsche 914, Lotus Elan (including Willment)

Track: Charade 09 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54900#post_charade)
Time of Day Setting: 13:00
Weather: Dry
Start: Standing

Tyre wear: 1X
Fuel consumption: 1X
Pit-stops: None required

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  • standard qualifying procedure with all drivers on track for 15 minutes

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Title: Re: UKPnG Season 6 - Charade (1989-) - May 5
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on April 29, 2011, 12:35:23 AM +0100
Porsche 904?


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 6 - Charade (1989-) - May 5
Post by: phspok on April 29, 2011, 01:07:40 AM +0100
Freudian slip, thanks for the spot. Corrected now.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 6 - Charade (1989-) - May 5
Post by: Mike Miller on April 29, 2011, 01:52:24 AM +0100
nice 3 wheeler shot Matt.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 6 - Charade (1989-) - May 5
Post by: Mark J on April 29, 2011, 09:44:00 AM +0100
that seems an odd choice of cars  ???  cobra v elan v 914 ? Doubt they'd ever grace the same grid in the real world.  :-\ Something for everyone i guess.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 6 - Charade (1989-) - May 5
Post by: phspok on April 29, 2011, 10:25:35 AM +0100
Yes an odd choice. I started with the RSR so MJ would have a beloved Porka to play with (see, we do care deeply)
and then thought maybe a Cobra for Clive, but the big Cobra was too much like masochism here, and even in my
hands the RSR was more than 4 secs faster than the Cobra coupe. It was more a question of getting close times
with cars that may provide some fun, than historical perfection for this fun race. "Something for everyone" is the idea yes.
I have a slightly different view of car choice after doing some of Mogget's GC Tuesday events, where you get 16 wildly
different cars to choose from, everything from an Arbarth to a Mustang, makes for some odd racing, which is fun
but here I believe we should make an attempt at running cars with somewhat similar laptimes for each track.

Not certain for that shot, but I have a few like that into Orchard at Harewood Hillclimb where the car bounces off the
kerb and is two wheeling....  :o It's my old, now scrapped, Citroen AX that I wrecked into the fence at Old Hall (Oulton Park)
in the wet. The DeCarbon front dampers were sooo hard it didn't do kerbs well...


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 6 - Charade (1989-) - May 5
Post by: Clive Loynes on April 29, 2011, 11:29:35 AM +0100
Thanks for the Cobra.

Can't do any practice until about Monday but just thankful that it isn't the old track!


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 6 - Charade (1989-) - May 5
Post by: phspok on April 29, 2011, 11:48:49 AM +0100
Was not entirely one car per person thinking  :D but you are welcome. No great thought went into this version
it's just one I remember having some good GTR2 races at, what was wrong with the old version for future reference?
do you mean the Full Clermont Ferrand?

For me, the 914 is fastest and easiest to be consistent with, the Cobra is half a sec slower though a good Cobra pilot may
change that around, The Elan is somewhere in the middle. The 914 however will have almost no front tyres left at the
end of the race, so will be understeering even more... Oddly the Cobra's tyres last much better than even the Elan


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 6 - Charade (1989-) - May 5
Post by: Legzy on April 30, 2011, 09:27:18 PM +0100
Looks great to me. All I care about is an even playing field & a range of choice.
Looks like the nail's head has been hit.  8)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 6 - Charade (1989-) - May 5
Post by: spanner on April 30, 2011, 11:17:46 PM +0100
Can i just say well done Matt for organising some PnG races in the obvious lull in procedings.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 6 - Charade (1989-) - May 5
Post by: Mike Miller on May 01, 2011, 01:57:50 AM +0100
I'm still here spanner. I've just been preoccupied with work lately.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 6 - Charade (1989-) - May 5
Post by: SpecialKS on May 01, 2011, 07:48:29 AM +0100
A hell of a track. Mostly blind corners.
For me the Elan is the only possible choice.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 6 - Charade (1989-) - May 5
Post by: FullMetalGasket on May 01, 2011, 09:51:10 AM +0100
I'll be in torquay at a wedding for this :(
Have fun guys, I'll get drunk in your honour! ;D


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 6 - Charade (1989-) - May 5
Post by: BillThomas on May 01, 2011, 11:16:55 AM +0100
Hopefully be there but off to Brugges early Friday on a coach tour for a few days, so I'll have to see how things go.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 6 - Charade (1989-) - May 5
Post by: Geoffers on May 01, 2011, 07:10:08 PM +0100
Hopefully be there but off to Brugges early Friday on a coach tour for a few days, so I'll have to see how things go.

Enjoy your trip Bill. Brugges is a lovely place, beer there is pretty good too!


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 6 - Charade (1989-) - May 5
Post by: BillThomas on May 01, 2011, 07:32:20 PM +0100
Hopefully be there but off to Brugges early Friday on a coach tour for a few days, so I'll have to see how things go.

Enjoy your trip Bill. Brugges is a lovely place, beer there is pretty good too!
  THANKS WILL DO.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 6 - Charade (1989-) - May 5
Post by: Clive Loynes on May 01, 2011, 08:06:07 PM +0100
........................... what was wrong with the old version for future reference?
do you mean the Full Clermont Ferrand?


Yes.

Rotten thing is too much like Nurburgring!

A tarmac rally.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 6 - Charade (1989-) - May 5
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on May 02, 2011, 08:49:18 PM +0100
A hell of a track. Mostly blind corners.
For me the Elan is the only possible choice.
me too


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 6 - Charade (1989-) - May 5
Post by: Hotkeys on May 02, 2011, 09:04:59 PM +0100
For me the Elan is the only possible choice.
me too

Yeah, the Elan works really well on this very entertaining track. If I use the soft tyres, I can get a 2.13 lap, but it looks as if the tyres won't last the whole race.

What laptimes R U guys doing ?

Stig / Hotkeys


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 6 - Charade (1989-) - May 5
Post by: phspok on May 02, 2011, 09:15:44 PM +0100
For reference, my own best times are:

914 -    2:12.0
Elan-    2:12.3
Cobra- 2:12.6

Hopefully different people will like different cars, Surprised Elan is coming up as the easier to drive choice
I was all over the place in it, and my best time is very not consistent.

Mike is still Championship Boss, I am "assisting" a little more actively at the moment.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 6 - Charade (1989-) - May 5
Post by: goldtop on May 02, 2011, 11:33:19 PM +0100
Should be able to make this one. I'd normally take the Elan, but the 914 is the fun choice (for me anyway). After a couple of laps I'm just into the 2:10s but it's a bit leary over those crests.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 6 - Charade (1989-) - May 5
Post by: Hotkeys on May 03, 2011, 08:08:25 AM +0100
Oops . . . didn't realize the 914 was there too, hope I can find the time to try that one out as well. 2.10.xx GT ?  huuu.... that's fast  ;D

Btw, what does leary mean ?
Stig / Hotkeys



Title: Re: UKPnG Season 6 - Charade (1989-) - May 5
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on May 03, 2011, 08:59:58 AM +0100
Leary - giving the appearance of not being entirely in control


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 6 - Charade (1989-) - May 5
Post by: FullMetalGasket on May 03, 2011, 11:56:39 AM +0100
........................... what was wrong with the old version for future reference?
do you mean the Full Clermont Ferrand?


Yes.

Rotten thing is too much like Nurburgring!

A tarmac rally.

Can't wait for the Targa conversion to be finished so we can have a race on it - Will love to see your opinions Clive  ;D


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 6 - Charade (1989-) - May 5
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on May 03, 2011, 12:27:09 PM +0100
 :lol:


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 6 - Charade (1989-) - May 5
Post by: Clive Loynes on May 03, 2011, 12:37:48 PM +0100
........................... what was wrong with the old version for future reference?
do you mean the Full Clermont Ferrand?


Yes.

Rotten thing is too much like Nurburgring!

A tarmac rally.

Can't wait for the Targa conversion to be finished so we can have a race on it - Will love to see your opinions Clive  ;D

Probably won't get past the censors!


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 6 - Charade (1989-) - May 5
Post by: Clive Loynes on May 03, 2011, 12:40:27 PM +0100
2:12.4 in the Willment.

2:10 sounds quick.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 6 - Charade (1989-) - May 5
Post by: FullMetalGasket on May 03, 2011, 01:00:24 PM +0100
Leary - giving the appearance of not being entirely in control

Lairy - Tony  :)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 6 - Charade (1989-) - May 5
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on May 03, 2011, 01:29:08 PM +0100
 ::)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 6 - Charade (1989-) - May 5
Post by: phspok on May 03, 2011, 03:15:16 PM +0100
2:10 IS quick
My times were best of 9 laps in each car with race fuel
I guess the 914 and Elan will benefit more from low fuel.
Though I still believe the 914 will be struggling for pace in the last half dozen laps
Whereas the Cobra will be going faster with someone who is used to it.
I could probably get low 11's with low fuel and some setup tweaking.
DOn't care who planned it, I am rather looking forward to this one.  8)
From past experience here, It will be fun even if everyone takes a 914


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 6 - Charade (1989-) - May 5
Post by: Mike Miller on May 04, 2011, 04:53:21 PM +0100
Work has really been agressive lately. I have to miss another event because I'll be in the city tomorrow. Enjoy the race guys.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 6 - Charade (1989-) - May 5
Post by: SpecialKS on May 04, 2011, 08:18:40 PM +0100
Improved to 2:14,356 in the Willment Elan.

Hope the tyres will last tomorrow.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 6 - Charade (1989-) - May 5
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on May 04, 2011, 08:31:46 PM +0100
I couldn't spot any difference between the Willment and the others  ???


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 6 - Charade (1989-) - May 5
Post by: Hotkeys on May 04, 2011, 10:03:19 PM +0100
I couldn't spot any difference between the Willment and the others  ???

It has a different set of tyre-options ( the whiye spot tyres )

Stig / Hotkeys


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 6 - Charade (1989-) - May 5
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on May 04, 2011, 10:34:45 PM +0100
I couldn't spot any difference between the Willment and the others  ???

It has a different set of tyre-options ( the whiye spot tyres )

Stig / Hotkeys
Ahh...........well spotted  :D


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 6 - Charade (1989-) - May 5
Post by: Legzy on May 04, 2011, 10:44:16 PM +0100
Quite chuffed with my time 2:09.2 (race pace)....
Then I noticed Ade's time  ::) :'( :ban:


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 6 - Charade (1989-) - May 5
Post by: Ade on May 04, 2011, 10:50:37 PM +0100
Thanks Legzy ;D
had a little practice tonight best  so far 2:07.039 in the mumble..mumble.mumble.. :) ;)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 6 - Charade (1989-) - May 5
Post by: Hotkeys on May 05, 2011, 11:00:45 AM +0100
2.09's and 2.07's  ???

I hope someone switches your engines to the 4 cylinder engine from the street-version of the 914.  ;)
 I've tried that car IRL, and believe me, it is NOT fast

Stig


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 6 - Charade (1989-) - May 5
Post by: BillThomas on May 05, 2011, 11:15:20 AM +0100
Have a good night folks, definitely won't be there too much to do tonight  for trip to Brugge.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 6 - Charade (1989-) - May 5
Post by: phspok on May 05, 2011, 12:23:49 PM +0100
And I thought I was doing well to get a mid 11 in the 914 and a low 11 in the Elan until I noticed
Legzy's time, and then OH MY GIDDY AUNT! cough, Ade's time.
I think to be 4.5 secs off the pace I must be turning left when I should be turning right somewhere  :o


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 6 - Charade (1989-) - May 5
Post by: goldtop on May 05, 2011, 12:38:51 PM +0100
There was me thinking I was on it at 2:10 in the 914  ::)

Won't have much time if any to practice further, so I'll just be concentrating on keeping it on the grippy part.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 6 - Charade (1989-) - May 5
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on May 05, 2011, 12:46:03 PM +0100
Have a good night folks, definitely won't be there too much to do tonight  for trip to Brugge.
Have a lovely time mate. There are a few beers worth trying (about 900  :laugh:)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 6 - Charade (1989-) - May 5
Post by: Clive Loynes on May 05, 2011, 12:52:38 PM +0100
It's a 914 spec race then.  ;D

Hope I can cook up some sort of setup.  Was it Oran Park where we used them?


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 6 - Charade (1989-) - May 5
Post by: phspok on May 05, 2011, 01:16:08 PM +0100
After last night I am probably going to use the Elan, with harder fronts the tyre wear is better than the 914
and I seemed to be able to go a little faster as long as I can avoid spinning into the downhill hairpins
I couldn't get the Cobra round anything like as fast as I had been doing, though I am tempted as it's
something quite different, and the tyres last better than the others.

I suppose we could change the race details so that anyone west of Glasgow, Manchester and Bristol (uk)
is counted as an American, and has to use one of the American cars on offer  ;)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 6 - Charade (1989-) - May 5
Post by: Mark J on May 05, 2011, 06:13:47 PM +0100
cant make it tonight unfortunately, have a good 'un.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 6 - Charade (1989-) - May 5
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on May 05, 2011, 07:28:55 PM +0100
He's seen Ade's times too  ;)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 6 - Charade (1989-) - May 5
Post by: phspok on May 05, 2011, 08:39:48 PM +0100
GT having trouble joining. Not sure why, everyone else has dropped/chagned car etc and rejoined
after the usual "Booted as Possible Cheat"


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 6 - Charade (1989-) - May 5
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on May 05, 2011, 09:06:30 PM +0100
Quit out early as my car was just awful to drive. Must have had the wrong tyres fitted, I forgot to check them after qually. Stupid

Have a good'un.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 6 - Charade (1989-) - May 5
Post by: Clive Loynes on May 05, 2011, 09:43:21 PM +0100
I really do dislike races that try to match powerful cars with under powered machinery.

Since I can't drive the latter it's only a matter of time before someone forgets that the car in front can't corner like it's on rails and wollop!

Race over.

I'm sure you had a much better race without my being in the way.

Thanks to Matt for the Elan and 914 setups.  They felt nice but I was just too slow in them.



Title: Re: UKPnG Season 6 - Charade (1989-) - May 5
Post by: Ade on May 05, 2011, 09:49:39 PM +0100
Sorry Clive :-[ it wasn't a wallop it was more of a light touch ( don't think you got the power down as fast as i did), unfortunately it half spun you  :-[ tried to push your front end back round the right way but i just slid off, did wait for you but you quit out :(
Don't see why it was race over though ???

                                                               Cheers Ade


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 6 - Charade (1989-) - May 5
Post by: Legzy on May 05, 2011, 09:59:54 PM +0100
I really do dislike races that try to match powerful cars with under powered machinery.
Since I can't drive the latter it's only a matter of time before someone forgets that the car in front can't corner like it's on rails and wollop!
I'm sure you had a much better race without my being in the way.
Race over.
Clive, it absolutely was not a better race with "you out the way".  ::)

Nobody thinks the power car is going to corner like the nimble car, but as the power car obviously has an obvious power/speed advantage, it is very easy to overtake a nimble car of similer pace.
For the nimble car to overtake & make it stick, it has to get it's entries & exits right & prey that an oportunity comes up at the 'right section of the track', i.e. when it's not imediately followed by any kind of straight, so it has half a chance to escape. It takes a massive amount of patience as the nimble car driver, watching good oportunities pass because everything wasn't perfect that time... but it is so rewarding to partake in when it goes right, but obviously gutting if the power car driver gets tangled with (for both drivers).

However, I was right behind the incident you mention & while unfortunate, your race was not over. You'd had a tap on corner exit that just span you round due to where the weight of your car was balanced. Geoffers & me passed & Ade dawdled up the hill, all expecting you to put the Cobra's power to use & power it round again, but you quit. Was such a shame to see, there was soo much racing still to be had mate. :(

I really don't think it would have effected your final position anyway, 4th/5th :whistling:


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 6 - Charade (1989-) - May 5
Post by: phspok on May 05, 2011, 10:04:57 PM +0100
Results and Replay on top of the mountain
I could not keep up with the leaders after the first few, had changed the rears to white by mistake
and they were overheating quite a bit, still , fun to try to keep up.
Not an ideal track for the Cobra in the mix I admit, but times were close enough that it offered an alternative to
any that wanted it, perhaps somewhere more open would be a better mix.
Respect and thanks to Clive and Fulvio for taking it anyway  :thumbup1:
Looked like Ade and Legzy had a grand battle with Geoffers hanging on,

Not sure what's happening next. If Mike isn't ready for the start of Champ Season 6, we will put on
another fun race somewhere. If anyone has a good well balanced track car combo they would like
to see run, PM Mike and or Myself and we'll test it. Otherwise I get to run something I believe will
be another fun one.  :angel:


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 6 - Charade (1989-) - May 5
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on May 05, 2011, 10:08:50 PM +0100
Nice event Matt, something for everyone  :thumbup2:


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 6 - Charade (1989-) - May 5
Post by: goldtop on May 05, 2011, 10:31:56 PM +0100
Had loads of trouble trying to join tonight...ok in the 914 but kept being booted in the various Elans which is what I'd decided to race. Was also getting CTDs. Tried all the usual stuff, defrag game, check terrain on, del HAT file, reboot pc all no no avail. When I eventually joined in the 914 I just used quali to find my race setup.

As soon as the lights went green I had a screen freeze followed by a grey screen and then after 15 secs or so found myself a few metres up the grid and everyone gone. That's a new one for me  ::) Anyway, apologies to anyone who might have got caught up in that. Chased back and had a nice little battle with Eiffel in the Elan and Fulvio in the Cobra. Then another freeze ::) When I returned I decided to park it on the grass and wind back my card settings a little. This put me way back but at least I think I've sorted out my freeze problem and was able to finish the race.

Nice event and thanks for organising Matt.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 6 - Charade (1989-) - May 5
Post by: Clive Loynes on May 06, 2011, 07:23:30 AM +0100
I really don't think it would have effected your final position anyway, 4th/5th :whistling:

Cheek!

I was in "They shall not pass mode" and if it hadn't been for the 914 road block through T1 and down to T2 I would have had Miguel bottled up as well.  My lurid approach to T2 missed Miguel by about 1mm.

Had some good fun trading paint and door handles with Geoffers over the first few laps.

No Problem Ade.  But if I put the power down at the same time as you my Cobra would have understeered up that cliff wall on the outside of the corner. Contact came just as the Cobra had decided that it was turning and so it didn't take much.

I didn't expect that you would all have hung about.  Usually, just the guy who has tapped me scuffs up the road looking sheepish and the rest of the field rush off into the distance.  I was left facing the wrong way and wasn't sure who else might have their race messed about by my attempts to turn around.  As a GPL moderator I used to take a dim view of people who did spin turns in the middle of the track.  ::)

My race was based on being in front of you lot.  Half a lap of you in front of me and you would have pulled away out of my reach and thus, since it didn't count for anything, I left you to it.



Title: Re: UKPnG Season 6 - Charade (1989-) - May 5
Post by: Geoffers on May 06, 2011, 11:12:38 AM +0100
I could not keep up with the leaders after the first few, had changed the rears to white by mistake
and they were overheating quite a bit, still , fun to try to keep up.

I used the whites all round Matt & didn't encounter any problems with them, probably a different setup making the difference.

Not a bad race. I was going to take one of the older Elans, but with the sort of lap times which had been posted, I decided it had to be the Willment one. Had a good battle with Clive on the opening laps but we were soon caught by Ade & Legzy's 914s. Managed to hold them at bay for a bit, but got a bit out of shape at T2 & they both went past. Moved back up to 2nd after the melee at the hairpin but the 914s soon tracked me down again  :(. Legzy got past quite quick, but I held Ade at bay for 2-3 laps.

The Elan was a little bit quicker on the straights but just didn't have the tyres to compete under braking & around the corners. On a less twisty track I think they would be more evenly matched.

Once Ade got past he quickly pulled away & I had a lonely run to the flag.

Congrats to Ade, Legzy & Miguel. :clap: :clap: :clap:



Title: Re: UKPnG Season 6 - Charade (1989-) - May 5
Post by: Alex vV on May 06, 2011, 10:01:06 PM +0100

Unofficial LapChart (http://www.justanotherpage.nl/Srou/PnG/CharMay11/)

Dead slow but like to thank Special KS for the nice battle.

Quit out early as my car was just awful to drive. Must have had the wrong tyres fitted, I forgot to check them after qually. Stupid

Pity. Struggled with the brakes.  Could have been interesting battle..


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 6 - Charade (1989-) - May 5
Post by: Clive Loynes on May 06, 2011, 10:07:55 PM +0100
Thanks Alex.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 6 - Charade (1989-) - May 5
Post by: Miguel de Raton on May 11, 2011, 06:22:09 AM +0100
Sorry for late report (is later better than never?).

Congratulations to Ade.
Well done Chris.


Technically, it wasn't first time for me on this track, but first was three and half years ago and it was Formula One. :)
Practice and qualification allowed me remember the track as is, and first half of race - some tricks like early cornering in last turn. But nothing could give me idea about tires wear on full distance, especially with rally-style driving which I decided to choose, so I ventured on breaking away from main group (pretty slowed because of battle for position). And it worked! On last lap I was in 3.5 seconds ahead of Chris and...
And I began to think about unnecessary things instead of driving my car to finish line! What winners never should do. Because of such things I never won in any championship where I participated (5 times runner up on R2P and 1 time here). ;D
Have missed braking point while looked in mirrors and gave fairness to triumph. ;)