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Practice 1: 19:30 BST (60 mins)
Qual 2:      20:30 BST (20 mins)
Race:        20:50 BST 36 Laps - note: no warm up!

ROLLING START!

Cars allowed: Any car from Formula 1 1988 For GTR2 V0.9 - Available to download from here (http://www.pilsbierbude.de/component/option,com_remository/Itemid,26/func,fileinfo/id,1261/lang,en/) or here. (http://www.simworldgt.com/?n=Formula_One_-_F1_1988&p=download_details&id=52)
Track: Jerez88 (download from here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54521#post_jerez_1988)). Note - UKGTR Installer now uploaded.
Race Start Time: 14:00


Weather: DRY.

Tyre wear: normal.
Fuel consumption: normal.

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Entry List - Please reserve your car

MCLAREN          

LIGIER                 H@L (Johanssen)
            
MARCH                Spanner (Gugelmin)  Legzy (Capelli)
            
FERRARI              Phspok (Berger)  Geoffers (Alboreto)

ARROWS              Truetom (Cheever)
        
WILLIAMS              

LOTUS                          

BENETTON           goldtop (Boutsen)

COLONI              

MINARDI             Navin (Perez-Sala)  Lazlow (Martini)

ZAKSPEED  

Are you going to start getting tough & demote some peopel yet GT?

Would be nice to see some of the lower cars being used & that would potentially bring a couple more people into the competative zone who've struggled so far.

Once again, feel free to demote me, I'd have had another podium in the Marsh at the last race I reckon.

I think we ran Jerez in GTR the last time? :o
I'd like to take Cheever's car again, so I can properly conclude the testing. :-\

A difficult one. I don't want to force people into cars that they don't want to drive, as I think that would put some off or detract from their enjoyment. Maybe try the Williams at Suzuka and see how it compares?

We've been quite good at choosing suitable cars so far I think and the laptimes at Suzuka again reflected this. Navin was a bit quick, but he's a bit quick anyway and the Lotus is already quite far down the pecking order. There's usually a spare Minardi or Zakspeed available if he wants to battle it out further down the grid. TT and Ade had quick laps in race but also had to suffer greater tyre degradation later on which I think balanced them out.

I suspect Jerez will throw up different results from Suzuka with the better handling cars doing well. Also half RL race length (72/2) is getting on for 50 minutes here so that will force some drivers to pit for tyres. Half race length at Suzuka was 40 minutes and that's a huge difference. If we do decide on running a full season of half distance races which is my hope, there will be so many variables from race to race it will be extremely difficult to pick out a champion, which I believe makes it an exciting prospect.

Done  :)

I've now secured my seat at Benetton for a similar deal to that when I joined Team KC  :)

I'm easy fellas so I'll go with the Minardi this time. ;)

I hope to be there for another go at this, not sure which car yet though.

Thanks Navin, I've put you in the Luis Perez-Sala car. If you get the chance, please post some race trim times in this and the Lotus.


Hope you can join us Geoffers  :thumbup1:

As a guide, my best lap so far in the Benetton is a 1:23, but I had to put in a fair bit of practise to achieve that.

Here's some inspiration if anyone needs it (but might not be available to those outside of UK).....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8654608.stm

Oh, I forgot. BBC can't stream video over to the mainland. :P

It maybe that we have enough choice of cars for this, but the missing teams from 1988 are available here:

http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=29092

This is something I have considered and if we'd had more takers I'd have rolled them out. We have permission to use/host it and the cars are at least as good as the ones we have now. There don't seem to be any compatibility issues either. The only problem is that all the cars are about the same pace as the Minardi and Zakspeed, which might mean the more popular household names in our current bunch will be a bit too quick.

If everyone wants to give it a try and report back, maybe we can consider a test in the next race.

Good luck starting the car ;D

I found the Minardi quicker than the Zakspeed. Shame I didn't manage to give it a run out at Suzuka.
If I can sort out the engine starting issue, I'll give it another go here.

You bet... I decided to try them all out ;D
 Here are my best race setup times at Jerez with 20 laps of fuel hard tires and all with similar downforce of around 19-21Front and 24Rear

McLaren    1:21.2
March       1:22.3
Arrows      1:23.0
Ligier        1:23.1
Ferrari      1:23.5
Williams    1:23.8
Lotus       1:25.0
Benetton  1:25.1
Minardi     1:27.0
Zakspeed  1:27.2
Coloni       1:28.1

My goodness, how many laps did you do in them all?!!!
Must have taken you ages. :laugh:

It also seems you found them to be in roughly the same order at GT did, which is good. 8)

Thanks so much Navin...excellent information and yes it does seem to tie up with my findings on the relative strengths of the cars which is a bit of a relief  :)

You're about a second up on me in all cars except the Benetton which I think I have pretty well sussed now. That and a lot of practise probably explains why I'm a couple of seconds quicker in that.

What I would say to everyone is if you keep working at a particular car, it's amazing how much you can improve times even when you think you've reached the limit. That's one of the reasons I like this mod :)

Just tested the Minardi in an offline race. If you cut your engine in the pit, you will indeed not be able to restart it which is a fault with this mod. I've not come across this problem with other cars.

However, the only reason you would want to cut the engine is to refuel so if you run with a race length fuel load (as I presume most of us will) there will be no need for this. I also tested pitting for 2 minutes worth of repairs and keeping the engine running did not cause the temps to increase.

As I've mentioned before the Brno race, if you stall out on track you won't be able to restart the engine in any of the cars. My advice would be to have autoclutch enabled.

Probably took 3 hours to run them all. Ran 2 stints so I didn't get burned out. One early in the day and one at night. I'm sure there is more time available in the cars that handle very well but I was just trying to be consistent with my driving style to get a good baseline on laptimes. Interesting to run all the cars and feel the differences in chassis and engine character ;D. And yes, that's the first thing I did too is compare with Goldtops times from Brno and it was good to see some consistency ;). That Coloni and I didn't get along at all.. Where some of the other "slow" cars had maybe one major defect like power on oversteer or fast corner understeer. They at least did one thing well. Like the Minardi is always loose exiting slow corners it is pretty decent in the fast corners with good turn in. Takes a set quick and knife's in very well. The Coloni doesn't have a major defect anywhere but just doesn't do anything very well either. A true dog :P..

Good info GT...nice one ;)

Not had chance to do any prac yet, so can you book me for my usual seat in Mr Bergers red car

Will do Matt. I've also put Lazlow in Pierluigi Martini's Minardi for now.


First post updated.

March for me again please

Thanks Spanner, I've put you in the Gugelmin car again.

I've just attempted a handful of laps... better stick me in my usual March again :-[ :-*
Quite a tricky track this one :-\

Thanks Legzy, I've put you in the Capelli car again.....post#1 updated.


If all goes well, this will be our last test race before a season gets underway  :)

Will let you know how it goes

Dont mind a few fun races, not sure i can handle a whole season in these.

OK if I take the second Ferrari again?

Thanks Geoffers, I've put you in the Alboreto car.

Couldn't agree more. Chopped 2 seconds off the Minardi's lap time. And FYI, a fresh install of GTR2 seems to have cured my pitting CTD ;D

No time to attend this week. Have fun :)

Yeh, I did about an hours practice in the Ferrari on Saturday & just managed to get in the 1.26s. Another hour last night & I got a best of 1.23.2! Got most of the track nailed now, just need to get those last two fast rights sorted, still keep going off there every other lap  ::)

Could I have the Ligier again please? :)

Thanks H@L, I've put you in the Johanssen car.

Just a reminder that this is a rolling start with formation lap this evening. Procedure will be the same as for our usual GTR2 events, if you're not familiar the details they can be read here....

https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3349.msg54455#msg54455

Sigh, messed up big time. Lost it out of the chicane on the kerbs, and spun into the wall, wing gone, was stuck in the middle of the track
in everyone's way, so booted it towards the grass, unfortunately right into the path of Navin, really sorry, seemed like forward was the best thing to
do at time....  :-[
Pitted, came out, chased and caught Nav, and lost it somewhere else on kerbs or bumps, and took off the front left wheel and wing this time
attempted to hobble round for repairs but was likely to be a danger to other road users so quit.

Great race, Loved it!

Sorry for the incident, GT, Matt and anyone else that was involved  :-[ I took a drive through penalty and then another later in the race when I had a bit of a lead. I had no damage and I hope you guys did not either. I had already selected the pit in option thinking I had lost my front wing and then noticed I still had it after a couple of corners.

Nice (but short) fights with TT, GT and a few others. :)

Looking forward to the next one.

More fun than I could poke a stick at! 8)

Going into qually, I was still a bit unsure of which way which corner went... then it just clicked. Ade mentioned about soft tyres making a difference :beta1: & I was off. A very rare pole for me.

The track just suddenly felt great, having been quite tough to learn for me.

Zoomed off at the start with only Ade able to keep up. We were well matched & think we'd have had a start to finish race.... if he hadn't missed his brake point & mullered my car ::) :laugh:
Limped round to the pits & decided to have a change of stratagy, moving to hard tyres & hope I could last the race, as coming out the pits I was about a lap & a half down to the leaders already :(. Very much enjoyed the thrill of the drive though & was on for a lucky podium till I made a mistake & put myself in another wall. So pitted for full repairs & fresh soft tyres with only three laps to go in an attempt to get steal the lap record off of Ade ;D

 :winkiss:


p.s. Really enjoyed the early part of the race, feet away from Ade for about 8 laps we managed on this tricky track.

That was so full on. I think I'm going to have to invest in a beer hat as there's no time to scratch your nose let alone take a quick sip during these races.

Qualied 3rd with a pb but was outgunned by Ade and Legzy on pole a full second ahead of the rest of us :o I was hoping my consistent race pace would pay back, but I got out of shape leading up to the chicane and was closed down at the next haipin by Matt and H@L which led to a bit of a tangle. No problem btw H....these kind of incidents just seem easier to accept at these speeds and I know we'll all adjust as we get used to it.

Must have been some action up ahead, as I soon found myself in 2nd and chasing down TT as his tyres began to go off. I followed for a couple of laps but made a silly mistake and did a 360 to let a fast closing H@L through. My tyres were degrading at about 1 per lap and on lap 20 I decided to pit as I was struggling to maintain pace through the fast corners, which seem to be the strength of the Benetton. Unfortunately in the middle of the stop I had the dreaded connection lost pop up and I was out :(

Looking at the lap times, cough I think there might be a bit of an imbalance emerging as we get familiar with these cars. I think the Arrows is fair enough because it's such an animal and it suffers with tyres, but anyone quicker than a 1:23 race pace tonight should have a look at other cars  :-\ :angel:

Anyway, congrats to H@L for the win and ta for all taking part. Please report any problems with the track/mod....don't think my disco was anything extraordinary. Oh and I think the rolling start worked very well tonight and I think we ought to keep this in. Also I'm running reduced damage on the server as it seems pointless having drivers lose front wings for light contact.

Next week we kick off an 8 week championship, so we all need to choose a car carefully for this. I'll put up details and a car/driver sign up post in the next day or so, so please get your choices sorted asap.

That was a fun race even if the track wasn't my cup of tea. Too flat and too many slow corners. The race went well enough at the beginning but I never heard a "GO" call or a definitive "green" on screen so I hope that's just a track thing. I just went when I saw the front guys cross the starting line. Was very impressed that we all got through the first turns and lap without incident. I was quickly left behind by most with my Minardi so I just tried to not screw up. Then Matt was able to get by and distance himself from me as well. And hey, no problem Matt. Those things happen. I usually try to dive out of the way by going around the backside but there was so much smoke I couldn't see which direction you were till it was too late. Anyways, I then had to pit for a new wing and some more fixes. I was pretty much out of it for dicing with anyone else after that so I tried to get to the end. Unfortunately I messed up again and had to pit for some more repairs :-[. Put on soft tires for the last few laps and drove on to the end :). I noticed too that others have gotten up to speed with these cars so I think I'll go back to the Lotus for the next race so to have some chance to be up front. Also, a request of please let there be Spa and Monaco in the 8 race series.. Just wouldn't be F-1 without those tracks. But whatever you choose GT I'll be there ;) Enjoying these cars a lot. ;D Cheers and thanks for putting these together.

Went out on a first lap. ::) Was lucky I didn't damage the car and was driving much slower from then on. One thing surprised me a bit, I went to pit and the crew insisted I turn off the engine, then added 0 l of fuel.  ??? Strange. Setup was set to pit and change tyres only. Well, considering H@l's pace in the late stage of the race a proper strategy implementation wouldn't mean anything.

Must say it's one of the most demanding tracks ever. Narrow and winding. Demanding full attention the whole time. Probably GT racing would be a bit easier as this seemed like a fast forwarded action. I don't think I have the motivation to try and test another car so I'll probably stick with Arrows in the season. :)

Unsure what to do with the cars. I like the red car, 1: because it's red  :D, and 2: Because
it has a "DIGITAL" sponsor sticker on it (I used to work for them centuries ago)
I found the Lotus kindest to drive, but I am slow in it. What would you siggest GT?
I got a 22.4 in the race, and may have gone quicker,l but so far mt race finishes are not great
even when I do finish as the tyre wear usually bites.
Happy to try something else, just not sure what to go for that is a "bit" slower than Ferri?

Never did get those two corners sorted!  :( Went off there about the 3rd lap & was fortunate to be able to go straight into the pits for repairs (got an S/G for speeding though). Then went off there again on lap 15 & bent the suspension. This time it was a glancing blow off the barriers & I had passed the pit entrance before I realised the suspension was bent & the car wouldn't go straight at much over walking pace.  ::). So called it a day rather than spend 10 minutes trying to reach the pits.

I think I must have spent too much time driving understeering GTL & P&G cars, because I cannot get my head around how sharp these cars turn in & consequently keep running over the kerbs on the inside of corners. Not too much worry on the slow corners, but a big problem in the fast turns. I guess I just need a lot more practice!

Congrats to the podium  :clap: :clap: :clap:

Had fun there...sorry for the hit Legzy  :-[ think i gave you a shout  before i even got to you  when i knew i had got it all wrong :o nothing i tried changed the trajectory of my car  :(  saw you had lost your rear wing so thought my front end was going to be in the same shape so pitted for repairs, very surprised to have now damage what so ever (very strange) got a stop go for speeding in the pits so came in again.

Had a go with softs this week and i think that will be the way to go with the Arrows with a pit stop at the half way point.
If it wasn't for the mess up hitting Legzy it would have worked quite well me thinks ( will do a bit of testing )


                                                               Cheers Ade   

PS..Ill stick with the Arrows please....It will be tamed  :surrender: ;D

For all of us, it depends how much time we're able to devote to practising these tracks and also how much of a challenge we want. Personally I love this mod so I'm prepared to spend hours practising for each race....143 laps at Jerez :o If you can't afford much pracci time it's unlikely you'll be consistent, so you'll need a stronger car if you want to be competetive. Both Williams cars were available last night and would make an excellent season car for those drivers who may feel they were a bit too quick. Matt, as you're used to the fezza see how it goes for the first few races, maybe we can have a bit of a shuffle mid season if it's obvious things are unbalanced.

Actually the Benetton is proving to be tricky for me. It is a great drive, but it lacks grunt which means overtaking is always going to be difficult and I'm going to be easy prey on the straights. Although I can hotlap quickly with practise, I'm getting held up in the corners in the early laps of the race and by the time the field thins out my tyres are past their best. I'm trying to be more consistent and hoping the second part of the race is where I can be stronger, which is my challenge.

OK, I'll give the Billiams another try anyway, I tried one at Brno and found it more rear end heavy
than the Ferri, and was not fast in it.

With you having finished 2nd twice & having led for 2/3's of the other race (before getting caught out on pit strategy)... I'm sure you would be happy to stick to the Arrows :laugh:

I've actually found TT, that the setups transfer quite nicely from team to team (of the 3 teams I've tried), only needing a couple of clicks to sort out any issues arising. Hope that's of interest.

I think the Ligier would also be a good choice Matt. Maybe a practice run back to back with Williams ;)

Here are my times for each car, all using my setup (from the March with zero tweaks) from the race the other night.  Setup basically has 110L of fuel, soft tires and downforce of around 44 Front and Rear:
Ferrari      1:21.5
March       1:21.6
McLaren    1:21.8
Arrows      1:21.8
Ligier        1:22.2
Williams    1:22.7
Lotus       1:23.0
Benetton  1:23.2
Minardi     1:24.3
Coloni       N/A
Zakspeed  N/A

Conclusion:
It looks like I wasn't able to exploit the McLaren's potential, but I certainly found the Fezza easiest/quickest. I reckon the March & the Arrows are very evenly matched, with the Ligier behind a little. The Lotus just edged out the Beneton (that felt very fast/nice, but I guess it just lacks the power as GT said) & then the Minardi was a fair bit slower again. The Coloni pee'd me off & so I gave up on it. Didn't try the Zakspeed as it's not available

I kinda enjoyed it, still wasnt entirely sure what the corner was when approaching it! Never quite got the last few corners right at all. Disapointingly completly off the pace but was resigned to driving at the back, enjoying driving these high downforce cars. They certainly dont like the kurbs round here which made taking that chicane half way round tricky. I kinda felt these cars are a bit too sensitive to damage. I think on the second lap or so did go off relatively slowly nose first but got almost 2mins of damage so came in but then loads of other had accidents as well so was surprised to be running around 4th at one stage! but ended up going off a few times but picking up 2mins of damage each time so wasnt much fun sitting in the pits so gave up.

IMO, cars are very much different after 30 min of hard racing. Arrows has hards worn out completely. As we're racing and not hotlapping this test would add some reality for the Championship. No, I'm not gonna do it. ;)

Thanks for that testing Legzy 8) Again this seems to more or less confirm relative pace. Noticed you used soft tyres though, so that could make things slightly different to mine and Navin's comparisons.

I agree with TT (for once :laugh:) Arrows is a beast and eats tyres, he's welcome to it  ;)

Anyway, one or two visits to the gravel and laptimes become much less important.

I've heard that the Arrows is a tough drive from at least 4 people now, but I found it to be one of the easiest to drive quickly (probably only just behind the Fezza & March). Not counting the stupid handling Coloni, the Williams & Minardi were probably the most difficult drives. Tyre wear was not massively different from car to car either, all using about 1 wear per lap front & back as I raced the AI like they were A mix of Prodigy & Legend drivers :angel:.

I used softs for my race setup, as before the race I was talking with Ade (who was using the other Arrows)
& he was very happy with softs, "very little difference in performance drop off", so I tried them in my March. If anything, between us two, it seemed my softs were likely to struggle more. But I figured I'd start with them & depending on how they felt I'd either take another 'softs' at half way or if they started to struggle & I needed to pit early, I'd switch to 'Hards' if a longer 2nd stint was required. Sadly I never got to know the result, but my softs where still good on lap 8 when I had to pit for major repairs, so switched to 'Hards' to get me to the end with just one stop.

Ade would have to tell us how his 'Softs' held up?

p.s. Sadly all that testing last night (while a total pleasure with these cars & that track) has left me with a problem... I have no idea what car to take for the season  :-\:laugh:. The Williams would be the obvious choice, but I wasn't a fan of how it handled... Think I'll get some more laps in. What sort of laptimes should we be doing at the next race?

Only testing so far at Jacarepagua so not got my setup sorted yet, but we should be seeing around 1:28 to 1:30 race pace I think.

BTW the Zakka is available for the championship. For some reason it didn't paste over to the new thread, but I've now amended that. Now that would be a real challenge for someone  :laugh:

Is there a race thread for Jacarepagua yet? :whistling:

I reckon I'll get online to do some track learning / car choosing for that tonight, 9pm onwards if the track is installed on the server?

I'm still useless at LM2, so H@L is looking after the event posts. I loaded Jacarepagua on the server earlier today.