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WELCOME TO THE UKGPL SEASON 21 HISTORIC (66) TROPHY 

For the second round we go to Sweden. The Falkenberg track is short, WR for 2L66 cars is 42.287, so far, so there will be many lapping situations, be aware

There will be full moderation of lap one, and then reported incidents for the rest of the race. Please submit incident reports within a week after the race so that the moderators report may be out before the next race.

Please restrict chat to a minimum, (or maybe none).

Best of luck.
 
Race List =         iGOR
Server =            UKGPL_T7_2
IP Address =       62.149.202.168
Race date =       10-05-2011
Time =              21.00 UK time
Track =             Falkenberg  2002   Hallands Grand Prix
Variant =           66F1 2L engines
Damage Model =  PRO
Qualifying time = 35 minutes. Do not start driving until 30 min left.
Race length =     Pro Long (68 laps)

The track can be downloaded from: http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=4339 (http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=4339)


Group I
T1F Eagle Climax
Lotus 33 Climax

Group II
Brabham BT11 2.5lt
Lotus 33 BRM


GroupIII
Ferrari 246
Brabham BT11 BRM
BRM P261
Brabham BT11 2.7lt


Drivers Restricted to cars from Group I
Hristo Itchov


Drivers Restricted to cars form Group II or Group I
Raoni Frizzo


All other drivers have free chassis choice.


Password: see above (#post_event_password)
(2) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R;group=304;theme=6)

It looks like I shall miss this race....real life getting in the way again!!!!  :-\

I hope to make this race if I receive my SB Live card on time and my wheel gets to work on it, or if not - with a joystick. Can't get one until Monday due to national holidays...  ::)

Have a look what Alison says about SB live on XP:
http://eaglewoman.rscsites.org/gpl/faq-xp.htm#Sound Card

SB Live was very good with W98, but can cause problems with Win XP
Ciao

I'm only going to use its Gameport. I'll use my onboard sound for... sound. :)

Goodness me - from the sublime to the ridiculous. Long open lap at Panchine with some technical corners and long strights with drafting opportunities - three abreast no problem to short tight Swedish Castle Combe :(

Gosh it is going to be packed. Maybe I am not so keen to race these babies after all...

I havent got the option Paul... I cant recall my SRMZ password and have just locked the account (again) by getting it wrong to much!!!

I've put it here; http://www.megaupload.com/?d=SPI1WAMT (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=SPI1WAMT)

thanks for that m8.. I have managed to re-activate my SRMZ account and have now got everything in and working...
I have managed to do about 20 laps so far with the 2L BRM and my best is a 0:43.9, although i think my normal race pace is looking to be about a second slower than that. Quite looking forward to this :)

Another miss.  I am having radiostatic surgery (Gamma Knife) on my brain to remove a 5mm tumor.  I'll still be on the table when the flag drops. Hope to make the next race.

Bookie :D

Good luck with that mate.

Feeble excuse!!! C'mon, whats more important, Computer games or brain surgery? Maybe time to get our priorities sorted young man!

Nah, in all sincerity, I hope it goes well and we shall see you on track next time.
 

I'm having the same problem with other tracks I need , sick to death of smrz,  easier getting into fort knox , keeps saying its sent a mail with new p/w but none ever arrives  :-\   stupid thing

as for them encryption codes you need to copy into the box , wtf can read them , been the opticians twice for new glasses but still there blurred to heck  :-\ :-\ :-\

doesnt help that half of those codes are foreign words with accents that we dont have on english keymaps.

T7 server is set to 68 laps GP race. Online grid installed.
Ciao

Not sure if this is fun or not - getting round the lap is easy - such a short track, it is easy to learn and I will be within four or five seconds of the leaders BUT I'm gonna get lapped - a lot and it is pretty tight in places by the time ten have gone past I'll be in the leaders clutches again. I haven't mastered the art of getting passed without totally compromising your own lap :(

It is a good track to practice on though. Carrying corner speed is so important - and so tough. Not sure what I should aim for but being smooth and patient seems to be really important. I've improved my initial times by 5 secs but I am still running at 45's. SO much to learn but its coming.

The track is not so much about carrying speed into corners, but getting early on the throttle. It's very tricky to do that and still be gradual enough on throttle application to avoid understeering off the ideal line or loosing the rear. T1 is a bitch, lol.

When I said carrying corner speed I really meant getting the speed right so that you were smooth through the corner and not having to scrub off speed to avoid the understeer. It is hard and T1 is deffo - a bitch!

Those who habitually scrub & understeer, may appear to be cleaner, but loose too much time in the wash.

Scrub until you are clean - is that what you are saying Martin? :laugh:

Clean doesn't always grab the pay-dirt.  Whereas, with a balance you can go for gold, despite kicking up some dust.  So get digging!

Thanks Fulvio,
but I changed the GP race 68 laps to 226 so that I can use the Pro long because I have always done that and I suspect that if I was to change I would surely forget and put it up for Pro long anyway and then we would have a sprint race. I also changed the grid to be a bit longer between cars. 

I hope you do not mind.

Göran

Hope you don't run GP by accident then  ;D

Yeh - it is a pity he changed it - I was quite looking forward to a 23 lap race and an early night....

I do find this track hard. If I take it really slowly I can put in a high 47 and if I push a little bit nice steady low 46's. So, ramp it up and 44 is there for the taking. Only in Prib it is :( As soon as I push it hard I am understeering and losing masses of time through sector 2 or going too fast through sector 3 and not making the final turn.

C'mon you lot. Put up a replay or two...

If you're understeering then it's your setup.

Every time I tweak it I end up oversteering so I think what is happening is that I am too tentative on the steering wheel on entry so I am not pointing in the right direction so it has the same effect but in fact I am literally under steering on entry, if you see what I mean.

I seem to miss lots of apexes and then I am having to wait to get the power on because having missed the apex I am taking too wide a line. The hardest thing for me in GPL is knowing when to turn the car and I end up driving it like a road car which then kills the lap times.

I told you before, the only way to explore the limit and the handling is by taking bigger risks in practice and experiment with throttle and brake applications, as well as with setup changes. These cars are steered a lot more with the pedals than the steering. The steering is only used to set an initial direction and then just to make any corrections if necessary. Spend an hour pushing and figuring out where the limit is, try to listen carefully to the tires and observe the car behaviour, you WILL know when you've nailed it and once you do that, you'll know what to look for every time you drive.

Shit, you revealed my coup, now everyone will think I do it deliberately  ;D

Göran

I'm taking my son to his judo class tonight.  It doesn't finish until 9:00 so I'll be late joining but hopefully I'll get a couple of qually laps in.

Paul - your "understeer" is possibly just you carrying too much speed on corner entry. Having watched you a couple of times recently you do seem to be a little wild on the braking and corner entry side of things.. MAybe try to be a little cautious on the way in and be earlier on the gas as a result?

Well - that was disappointing. :(

Practised hard for this and got a decent setup that I had confidence in. Only problem was I hadn't read the rules and I didn't realise that the Honda was not allowed :( So took the Fezza - major guesses at setup and I got a 44:92 which was a PB. Not last either although if Phil had had the proper qualifying time he would have trounced me. I find T1 very hard so at the start I got good traction and got past Nigel. I braked early and caught him by surprise. Next thing I found myself beached on the haybales. Bugger. Didn't even make T1.

It can only get better.

Hmmmm Turns out it wasn't Nigel - the hunt is on...

10/10 for effort  ;D

LOL.

That was incredibly hard work.. I'm now physically exhausted! All in all a great race and Im very pleased with 5th place although my pace at the end was 2secs/lap slower than in the first half of the race, such was effort to keep the BRM on track!
Love the circuit and great to see so mch clean racing on such a difficult track.

T'was not me, as I prefer straw. :(

Double LOL

Hope everything went to plan Bookie.  Hope to see you on track again soon  :thumbup2:

I doubt that mate, although I did do qually on full tanks.  I didn't have time to put some laps in on low fuel and I always like to do the last 10 mins of qually on full tanks.  Just so I don't get used to braking on empty tanks with hot tyres and then jump straight into a car with full tanks and cold tyres for the start.

Race was quite entertaining for me because I had someone to race with for a change.  Fulvio still managed to beat me in his 11 cylinder Ferrari but it was nice to see someone take the chequered flag just ahead of me, normally everyone is long gone ::)

Sorry about the contact at T7 on L12 Fulvio, I've reported the incident.

Np Phil, after have seen replay I can say it wasn't all your fault. Just wrote the answer to the report and I want to apologize for turning in not aware you were already on my side. I wasn't aware that I had lost so much power after the previous crash with a car on its roof, and I didn't think you were so faster than me.
Please when a driver is stuck on his roof, don't wait ages to hit ESC  ;)
Ciao

That would be a 5 cylinder Ferrari Phil - Otherwise Fulvios cheating and running a twin engined 246  ;D

Aha - Fabio, J'accuse.  :P

Too cautious at T1 and the car pulled left due to (I think) adverse camber - I'd noticed if I braked too hard I went off left - that left Fabio nowhere to go and he gently nudged me in the direction of the aforementioned hay bales. Serves me right really. I told Goran to do it differently next time after spending some time tut tutting at his side by side with Tim at Panchine and then I do exactly the same at Falkenberg and I also asked for a nice big crash at T1 L1 to shorten my report!

Would have been nice to make 1 corner though...

@FP - Nigel said he had to hit Esc a few times before it would quit, so he did try...  :angel:

It would be ESC + ENTER , but I can understand that in so hectic moments with the head down under it's difficult to nail them  ;D
Ciao

As a confirmed novice I would have been hitting Shift-R about a hundred times  :laugh:

Arriving at a track in the dead of night, does not bode well for a successful outing, as there's no night mod for 1966, nor even for GT's yet.

My black screen was a mystery, and I was forced to pull the plug on my new land line, and eventually, to re-fire the system.  I'd guess, that wonderful Windows decided to throw a wrench, while doing some Spring cleaning, or something.  So there was much grumbling hereabouts, before the specified light of day was sorted.

With precious little time to acclimatize to the traffic, my well tuned Ferrari was now mediocre, at best!  Track conditions had changed, and I'd only time to cobble together a quick fix, for a position towards the rear of the grid. :-\

The start of the race saw the track ahead open up, through the misfortunes of war.  I'd just latched onto Goran's tale in 5th, when the first nervous twitch on an unrefined setup, threw me into the hay bales clutches, in a rather unrefined fashion! 

Conformation here, for any doubters, that a car can sometimes behave differently once on-line.  In these 66ers, we often lack a practice Server until shortly before a race, and in this case, I was unable to contest with Hristo for this reason . . . amongst others. :(

As I said before, you don't need a practice server to practice online. Just Host your own session and hotlap!

My race was good, but really exhausting. I've been out of practice for a while due to my PC problems and so the toll on my body was a bit higher than usual, but the car handled well and the setup delivered very consistent lap times, regardless of fuel load. The only thing I changed from qualifying to race was the ride height, to avoid bottoming out at T2.

Early on I could pull away quite easily, much to my surprise, but I suppose it was down to people having problem behind me. Traffic was an issue and I had to be cautious all the time, as some people would stick to their line but others were eager to let me through by moving left or right, so it was a bit of a guess work. One particular moment I nearly hit a backmarker on the exit of T2 when he decided to move to the right, despite the fact that I had already committed to that line. Good thing these cars are responsive though.

Near the end of the race I had a good scrap with Tim, who despite being almost a lap down was just as fast as me, but the extreme slipstream in the 66 mod gave me a bit of an edge and blue flags forced Tim to ease off and let me through.  ;D He managed to keep up closely for the rest of the race though.

Feels good to be back in the hunt now that my wheel is working again, looking forward to the next race!

LOL, you're right and Fulvio is even quicker than I thought ::). 

I think H had the extra cylinder...

The Moderator`s report, including the famous Whitfield race report, is published

Göran

You can't say "only" had half a second advantage, considering the lap was twice shorter than usual.  ;D

Thx mates for your race report

Nice writeup Paul - Maybe the Skidmark should hire you  ;D

They are looking for a new editor :)

Editor's privilege.  ;)

What is?

https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=5849.0 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=5849.0)
Apparently the editor ran off to join the UKGPL modding team and the paper folded - might save all those separate race reports.

Ah...