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Practice 1: 19:40 BST (60 mins)
Qual 2:      20:40 BST (20 mins)
Race:        21:00 BST (30 Laps) - note: no warm up!

ROLLING START!

Cars allowed: Any car from Formula 1 1988 For GTR2 V0.9 - Available to download from here (http://www.pilsbierbude.de/component/option,com_remository/Itemid,26/func,fileinfo/id,1261/lang,en/) or here. (http://www.simworldgt.com/?n=Formula_One_-_F1_1988&p=download_details&id=52)
Track:  94Imola (download from here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54900#post_imola94)).

Race Start Time: 14:00

Weather: DRY.

Tyre wear: normal.
Fuel consumption: normal.

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Very different to the standard sanitised 2004 Imola config featuring the long drag up the hill to Tosa and the very different Aqua Minerale  :-\

Some amazing onboard footage of Nannini in the Benetton from 1990 which shows this layout well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERDUA4E7afs&feature=related

Didn't look very happy did he  :laugh:

Hey guys this mod looks interesting. As next Tuesday we dont have any GT1 race at GC I'll most probably join :)

About the mod, just tried a Minardi and sound is horrible :D gonna try some more. Are the cars equal in performance or is it (more or less) real as was in '88?

It's pretty real, so you need to forget everything but the Zakspeed! :nono: :lol:

Join me in the Minardi Team Busi....it's lonely being on my own :'( ;D

Holy crap that Zakspeed is slow and the downshifts sound as if the car was farting! lol

Yeah may join you at Minardi Laz, with Lluis Perez Sala's car a guy from Barcelona like me 8)

Will be good to see you here Busi  8) The Minardi is a real challenge, but that's all part of the fun.

It would also be great to see someone with talent drive the wheels off the Zakspeed at some stage.

Quick test:

McLaren - 1:27
Minardi - 1:31
Zakspeed - 1:33

A challenge indeed :o

For now I'll be in the Minardi at Imola :)

Don't forget, you won't be able to restart the Minardi so no refuelling ;)

After 30 or so laps I'm at 1:25.9 race fuel in the Benetton. I can probably get that down a little with more practise and a few more setup tweaks, but not by much. A low downforce track I think which will probably favour the hard accelerating turbos.

Very hard to be consistent here for me especially through Aqua Minerale. Definitely no kerbcrawling through there as it loses time and not really somewhere to be arguing over the same bit of tarmac.

I'm having trouble joining the server with the Benetton getting the booted message all the time. This is happening a lot at all the tracks we have used so far and often in PnG and is getting to be a pia.

I tried the other cars and had no problem, except for the Ligier. I know a few others have experienced this at our previous events with their chosen cars. I'm wondering if practising the tracks offline is creating a problem when trying to then join online  :-\ I have tried deleting the HAT file in my LOG and then reinstalling the track, but no luck. Also tried the waiting while the car completes a revolution but again no joy  :(

Any ideas?

Am I the only one finding the general bumps on this circuit barely tolerable? With the zealous kerbs, I'm having to take the chicanes with such caution I fear I'll be even more off the pace than I was at Jacarepagua. Great fun though  ;D.

Just to let you know goldtop, the Minardi problem with re-starting the engine happens only if you have two buttons set for starter and ignition (I don't know if I'm saying the names correctly, but you know, there are two buttons you gotta press for starting the car). Now, if in your controls menu you only set the first of the two, and the second one with no button assigned, then with the first button the car will automatically start. And it works with the Minardi ;)

I strongly recommend doing this (set only a 'starter?' button and not set any button for 'ignition?'), firstly because it saves you from pressing two buttons for restarting the car, you only gotta press one instead, but also to avoid these kinds of problems which I've found in the past with some other car.

Good info there Busi. So is the Minardi able to take on fuel and if so, what would be the pitting procedure?

The reason I ask is because the Coloni would also become available for the championship.

er... not sure if I'm missing anything, but would be the same as with other cars I guess, with the only difference of setting only a button for 'starter' and using that button only for both stopping the engine and for starting it after refuelling. Haven't tried a pitstop but I assume these F1 cars work the same way as others.

Ok, it has been a long and difficult operation, but I understood something about the F1 88 mod files.

1) It's possible to do the pit with all the cars of the mod, even with the Coloni, but you DON't have to assign ANY botton for "starter" nor "ignition". Without setting these bottons, when the pit table appears, you push enter as usual, and the car switch off its engine after 2/3 seconds. When the pit crew has finished its work, your Engine will switch on automatically again, and you will able to restart from the pit. This procedure works in the same way even for all the other cars.

2) Otherwise with all the other cars (except Coloni), you can assign the "IGNITION" button (with the "starter" you can only switch on your engine, but you can't switch it off), to switch on/off your engine, but it works ONLY in the pit lane. So, if you drive with manual clutch and for some reason, your engine will stall during a lap outside the pit lane, your race is OVER. Assigning the "ignition" button, will let you save some time during the pitting procedure, because you can switch off the engine before arriving in your pit place, and the refueling will start immediately after you pushed Enter. At the same time when the refuel is complete, you can immediately switch on your engine, even during the tyre change (admitting that you have to change your tyres)... Sooner you switch on your engine after the refuel is complete, and sooner you will leave the pit, with another slightly time advantage than the automatic switch on procedure (illustrated at the point 1)).

3) I've looked into the ".eng" files of the mod, and the only way I found to solve this trouble is to change this string into the "88Coswoth DFZ.eng" (Coloni engine file): OnboardStarter=1                    // whether vehicle restarts when stalled. (The Default value is 0 for every .eng files of the mod)
Changing this string in every file ".eng" of the mod, will allow to use the "ignition" button when you want, even if your engine has stalled during a lap. This is an "advantage" for the people that use the manual clutch I know, but it's one of the 2 ways to make equal the Coloni and the rest of the field in terms of time pitting procedure. The other way would be to change the "Coloni.hdv" file and make it point to another ."eng" file (for example to the "88CosworthDFR.eng").

4) I remember that someone created a new "specialfx.tec" file for the F188 mod to solve the "bumpy" cars problem. I downloaded and tried it, and it works pretty good for this mod. I uploaded it on humyo, if you want to try it http://www.humyo.com/FCrSYMC/specialfx.tec?a=dt64VuCXgBo (http://www.humyo.com/FCrSYMC/specialfx.tec?a=dt64VuCXgBo) (Install it into GTR2/GameData/Location folder. Remember to make a backup copy of the original one

5) One year ago, an Italian guy "revisited" the car physic of this mod, and we tried it in a fun event. In my opinion it was a lot better than the original, but he changed a bit the engine power to make the car performance closer than the original engine files of the mod. If you want to try it, that's the download link: http://downloads.italianracers.it/Gtr2/Mods/F1_88_by_cacioppo.7z (http://downloads.italianracers.it/Gtr2/Mods/F1_88_by_cacioppo.7z). If you like more the physics of this new one, I could rearrange it with the original engine files, leaving only the new physics.

In every case, it would be a simple operation to make some changes to this mod. I can make a self-extractor file with WinRar, and everybody can easily change the files. I used to do it when we've organized the Nordschleife VDA event with the P&G, and it worked pretty well for the UKP&G people who joined our race. If you need the original files, it's enoguh to make another self-extractor for the files we're going to change (in the case we will).

Sorry for the lenght of the discussion  ;D ;D ;D :o :o

I hope to have provided some good points. Cu :)

Wow...there's a lot of good info there Manteos and some very interesting options  8)

I'll test the ignition/starter procedure you describe for the Coloni and if all is well I'll make it available from now on. Silverstone should be the only place where refuelling is necessary in this series for some/any of these cars, so I don't think that would make the need for editing the eng. files at this stage.

The permissions for us using this mod (which were exhaustive to obtain to put it mildly) do not include any modification of the original files, so I'm afraid that disallows any alteration of their physics/performance. However if this season is successful, I am looking at ways of making the series even more attractive while still producing close racing, but rewarding the quicker drivers. Legzy will know what I'm talking about here ;)

I'll have a look at this mod, but would warn everyone to keep it separate from the original version if they decide to try it.

As far as the bumpy tracks are concerned, some of the standard tracks certainly suffer from this, but the tracks in this series all seem free from this problem. Maybe a fix was built into these tracks as most of them seem to have been produced with the F1 88 mod in mind  :-\ It is something to think about for the future though.

Thanks for all the work you've put into this Manteos  :thumbup1:

After some tests in Jacarepaguà (offline), I think that my pace with the Ligier, should match the rest of the field, looking at your race best laps. I turned with a best lap of 1.25.6, and I was constantly turning in 1.26.0.

I really don't know what to do with the other cars. I tried even the Coloni and it seems slightly faster than the Zakspeed here in Imola, 1.29.6 as best lap, and a race pace close to 1.30.0... that is quite impossible with the Zakspeed (I tried it even with higher wings, but the result was the same 1.30.1 as best lap if you risk your life every corner :-\)
March is definitely faster (at least here) than the Ligier... yesterday in Practice 2 session I turned in 1.24.2, but I could do a high 1.23 as best lap. So I discard this choice.

If you agree, I would like to do this race with the Ligier, in which I have a low 1.26 race pace. Than if I will discover that it's too fast for me, I will race the next with Coloni or Zakspeed, but watching that you were really close at least in the best laps in Jacarepaguà, I guess it would be quite impossible to have some fun with these 2 cars turning alone in the circuit. If there are more drivers turning in a 1.29 pace, I will accept the challenge with the Coloni in every case.
My fear is only to turn alone in the last position without any fun. If some other people can post their race pace it will be easier for me to make this choice. Thanks in advance guys :)

Well, after trying and struggling in the 1.29 barrier, I finally gave up with my trusty h-pattern and clutch setup and tried my paddle shifters for once. The change worked well and almost immediately I broke into the 1.26s  :o. With your pace Manteos, we'd probably be in close company during the race. That depending on whether I throw the car into the barriers or not  ::).

With the help of Lele, I solved my setup troubles with the Coloni, and I manged to keep a high 1.26 pace, so I will take the Coloni for the rest of the champ.
If for you is ok, Lele would like to do this one as a wild card with the Coloni. He is an open wheeler mod "wizard", so I guess that he would be able to compete for the first positions even with the Zakspeed if he can't take the Coloni... (there's only one Coloni in this mod if I remember well).
Let me know which car he has to choose for this race.

Cu ;)

Thanks Manteos, I've put you in the Tarquini Coloni car. No duplication of cars for this series, so I've put Lele in the Ghinzani Zakspeed......will be great to see a Zakspeed on the grid. Nice pace in that Coloni Manteos  8)

Hi,

Has anyone got any base setups for these cars as i havent got a clue what to start adjusting, and not much time to try much  :(

Give a try to this one. It works pretty good with the Coloni, but every car of this mod needs different settings, so I can't assure you that will work even for your car.
I suggest to you to change only the Steer Lock if you drive with a 900° Steering wheel (I have a Thrustmaster F430, so I need not much steer lock). Just remember to avoid the borders, cause with these cars, even in the old videos you can see drivers always avoided to exploit the borders, especially here in Imola! Try to be very precise and clean especially through the chicanes!

Setup Link: http://www.humyo.com/FCrSYMC/colonif1%202.svm?a=XBvnVFjC3kM (http://www.humyo.com/FCrSYMC/colonif1%202.svm?a=XBvnVFjC3kM)

I hope it will be useful :)

Cu!

Very high wing makes the cars easier to drive and if the car is bouncing a lot then reduce the bump and rebound settings in the suspension.


Indeed. Concentrate more on driving than getting a fast setup. You will find it quite amazing how late you can brake and how fast you can go round corners when you push it.

Had a quick peek at the server earlier this evening and Mr Lele is extreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeemely quick. Late 1:21s in the Ligier  :o  :yes:

In my best Italian......mucho respecto  :) The Zakspeed will be too quick  :laugh:

thanks for the setup and tips manteos/h@l,

I will give them a try after work tonight before the race

Great info Manteos :). Fortunately some business popped up for me so no fun for today :( Have a good one boys ;).

Pole... yeah!
False start on warm up lap = DQ - Boo / Muppet / Embarrassed!

Ok, pls give me a slow car! I can't cope with being at the front! lol :)

Sour... :-X

wow what a race, takes some serious concentration to do a race in these cars

a great fight with apextech, we seemed about even on pace (well my pace was mainly down to having the fastest car of the 88' season and manteos setup), just down to who made the least mistakes!

Results and replay in the usual places

Would VDA Stalro make himself known so I can add his name to the results please.

Great race. :)

That was excellent fun. I made a mistake early on putting my self in the gravel and down the grid. I managed to claw my way back up the field and had some excellent fights along the way with Jamera, SRW, Spanner, TT and a few others.

I did have a slight incident with Jamera early on, sorry mate, missed my brake zone just slightly :-\. No damage for me me and I hope that was the same for you as well. Slight incident with TT as well but, again no damage done and I was still well clear of the car behind so it did not affect my race really. :)

See you all at.... Monaco! :o ;D

Forum nickname for VDA Staltro is: "(VDA) MinholoS"

It was a really nice race til I spun for the third time, and my engine stalled into the "Acque Minerali"... So I had to give up... These are the contingencies of the manual clutch.
Thanks to TrueTom for the battle during the first laps, it was really interesting and very clean. Great drive mate ;).

I have to do an honour mention for Legzy, that pushed Daniele til the finish line ;) Thank you Sir :)

Cu for the next race in Monaco! Or maybe with the SGT 500... who knows :)

yea i had a good battle with u2 i did better than i expected thanks i had fun on my 1st go in them!!!!!!!!!! p.s i guess everyone had hard tires on silly me no testing

Bad luck Blunder. Give the March a try if you like, it feels similar to the fezza but it's slower.

A nervous kind of race for me. I was suffering from double upshifts which were occuring once or twice a lap for most of the race and had the very fast Lelero close to me for much of the time. Made a couple of small errors through Acque Minerale when I was under pressure, but managed to keep it pointing forwards......until the last lap ::) Tyres were going off and I almost blew the race when I spun it coming onto the s/f straight and had Lelero right on me again. Didn't realise he'd run out of fuel until I saw Legzy pushing him on my in lap  :thumbup1:  

Good to see more faces on the grid and hope those who had to miss tonight can make Monaco next week.

A quick reminder please to make clear your car choices for this series here.......

https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=9337.0

Well good fun at the beginning but then the frustration was too much to keep going. Firstly because I was once behind somebody in a blue car (can't remember who) and I could notice that I kept losing 2 full seconds to him in the main straight only (from last chicane to Tosa). And I didn't have very high wings, I think I was on 28-25 which should be ok for suck track?

Apart from feeling useless in that car against others next to me, the bumps (or the bumpy behaviour of the car) was horrible and as soon as I had a spin it was a non-stop series of mistakes. That made me retire cause I was also lapping alone.

Should be back for the last 2 races if the track is not so bumpy! ;)

Good luck for Monaco :o I think I'll do some practice there, even if I know I won't race!

I totally agree.

I need to have a word with my manager to get him to find me a quicker team to race in ;D the Minardi team just arent putting the development time in.

Rant: I absolutely HATE these tracks where the skidmarks invert with the next session. After scoring a good laptime with race setup in practice I was suddenly almost TWO seconds slower with quali setup in Q2. ??? ??? ??? And I couldn't get any quicker as all my braking points were on the ground, connected to skidmarks. What, do I look at the trees to see when to brake? Rant over. Maybe.

So I started from the middle of the pack, nothing wrong with that, usually it means an interested, dynamic race rather than boring hotlapping. I did have some close racing with Manteos, Lazlow and H@l towards the end. I would normally enjoy it, but I find it not so hot with this mod. Why? Again, narrow track, rapid movement of the car, fear of contact and ruining someone els' (how do you spell this, elses?) race. Why did I quit iR again? :( I found it hard to stay on my side of the track even on a main straight, comming to the up-right hander, I just can't feel secure enough to really race anyone and force anyone to yield at corner entrance. Must think on this some more and decide if I want to remain more in the GT class of racing. :-\

Another thing, probably not just the Arrows: when I moved from stationary to slowly gain speed the thing just turns on it's own. That pisses (sorry) me right off and it was the reason I quit. >:( Hope I calm down in one week, or else. :-X   

I was with the Coloni, and the engine is the same of Minardi (Cosworth DFZ). If you drove it with a 28/25 wing, you would'n probably have the chance to reach the 280 km/h, that means at least 30 km/h difference with a Top Car with your same wings (admitting that a top Team driver used such high wings on this track, so probably the difference was even worse without trail).
With a car like Coloni, Zakspeed or Minardi you have to use very low wings to reach a good speed on the straight without a trail. Me and Daniele were using both the same wings (5 Front and 4 rear during this race), and we lenghten the 6 to exploit the other cars trail.
So when we were in a faster car trail, our cars were capable to do 308/310 km/h. Without a trail, it depends on how fast you exit from the last chicane before the finish line, but our cars are not able to reach 300 km/h (296 for me and 298 for Daniele).
In the previous page, there is Daniele's setup for the Coloni (http://www.humyo.com/FCrSYMC/colonif1%202.svm?a=XBvnVFjC3kM (http://www.humyo.com/FCrSYMC/colonif1%202.svm?a=XBvnVFjC3kM)download it and give it a try ;)). I guess it should be good even for your Minardi. In that setup, you will find different wings, just slightly higher (8/8 or 8/9 if I remember well). Make an attempt trying to go out from the last chicane exploiting all the track, and you will see a great difference in terms of high speed (279/280 km/h vs 296/298km/h).
The only way to compete in a circuit like this, was using the lower wing possible. In a circuit like Monaco, I guess it would be better to have higher wings indeed (I just discovered the hot water  ;D ;D ;D).
In Monaco the engine power will be less important than in Imola, and your driving skill will be rewarded. So, make an attempt before, and then you'll decide what to do ;)

Cu :)

@Manteos - I found that if I ran low wing on the Minardi I was getting very high tyre wear. Is this what you were finding?

Yes this Imola config is a low downforce track....that was the way in RL too. I had to run low wing or I'd have been a sitting duck on the straight. As it was, I compromised slightly with a 16/15 setup and was always getting closed down by Lele on the run up to Tosa. I was still having to catch it every time through Rivazza and most times exiting the final chicane onto the s/f straight.

As regards the bumpy track TT I presume you mean under braking into slower turns? If so that has to be either a setup thing or a braking technique. I never brake hard and late anyway and find that for me it is the best way with these cars. The only time I suffer from the bumps is when I get my braking wrong and the car wants to go straight on instead of the way the front wheels are pointing.

There are some of my setups here if anyone would like to try them....

http://www.humyo.com/FHWPvLQ/F1%2088%20setups/?a=_gF-HMTfc18

Thanks GT, could be very useful.

No GT, didn't have any problems with bumps, I was only scared I'll punch anyone off track as these cars move so quickly I don't feel I have it under control.

Similiarity to iR! lol thought that as well last night. Dont mind trying to run on my own but put anyone near me and i'll end up falling off.

That's probably the negative side about going with lower wings... but the benefit is the chance to make some overtakes and don't be overclassed at the first straight. On the XD motec I was on a 1.1/1.2 tyre wear per lap(soft tyres). Daniele at the end of the race had a tyre wear of 33.5 with soft tyres, so maybe with higher wings you'll be able to safe a bit your tyres, but on the other side you don't have any chance to fight on the straight. Then it's up to you to choose what you believe it's the best option... "To fight, or not to fight, that is the question"  ;D ;D

In the last 6-8 laps you have to pay more attention, cause it's very easy to make some mistake... but everyone will be in quite similar conditions, so... even Goldtop had to turn with an higher pace during the last laps, that's normal.

A complete shock that I managed to race in this one! :o
Managed to swap a shift but all that did was free up the Mrs' time.... So I had both kids to see through the evening... 8:50 I was finished & downloading the track ;D

Used my setup from Jacarepahua with a slightly longer 6th gear (which I realised I'd need with the 1.5 laps I managed to get under my belt during qually :laugh:.
Entered a corner too fast on lap 2 as I was doing my best to keep up at the back & so ended that lap in the pits for a new wing/suspension :-[

Soon realised that I was running far to much wing & that my rears wear was almost double the fronts! ??? But at least my laptimes were coming down without any more offs.
Had to pull over once & lost a lap as it sounded like the youngest was starting to stir, but I was soon going again.

Pitted to replace both sets of tyres at what turned out to be 2/3 distance (as I'd been lapped so much) & stuck some softs on the front to try to even up the wear & maybe find some more pace. It worked & don't think I got overtaken again, not even by race winner GT who I could see was in the distance behind me anytime we were going through the slow stuff.

Really liked the track, much better than the more modern version we normally use in out GTR2 races.

Looking forward to Monaco next week :drool: