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Onto race 2 and it's a trip to Canada. Early days but Will leads the Works with Martin the toppermost in the Privateers.

The Works will run on PRO Damage and Privateers will run on Intermediate Damage with the allowance of ONE shift-R reset. No Shift-Rs are allowed in practice unless authorized by the moderator. A Shift-R (fault or not) MUST be followed by a Stop & Go. A Shift-R for tyres/fuel is not allowed. Any driver taking more then ONE Shift-R OR failing to take a Stop & Go will be disqualified from the race result.

Race List = IGOR
Server(s);
Works = UKGPL_Gpg
IP address = 62.195.32.131
Privateers = UKGPL_T7_2
IP address = 62.149.202.168
Race date = 22-05-2011
Time = 21:00 UK time
Track = Westwood Park
Variant = 67F1
Damage Model = Works; PRO / Privateers; INT
Qualifying time = 35 minutes. Don't start until 30 mins left on clock to allow everyone to join.
Race length = 50 minutes (laps 43)
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Driver lists can be found on the Works (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=302&theme=6) or Privateers (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=303&theme=6) championship standings pages.
The track can be downloaded from : http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=3514 (http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=3514) or alternatively http://www.jamesonline.net/ukgpl/ (http://www.jamesonline.net/ukgpl/)
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Please be in IGOR UKGPL chatroom by 8:50 pm UK Time

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The Works will run on PRO Damage and Privateers will run on Intermediate Damage with the allowance of ONE shift-R reset. No Shift-Rs are allowed in practice unless authorized by the moderator. A Shift-R (fault or not) MUST be followed by a Stop & Go. A Shift-R for tyres/fuel is not allowed. Any driver taking more then ONE Shift-R OR failing to take a Stop & Go will be disqualified from the race result.

With the token system chassis strategy will be a factor. A driver must have sufficient tokens for the chassis he drives in the race.  Any driver who does not have sufficient tokens will be disqualified from the result and his tokens will be set to zero.

Chassis costs;
Lotus 20 / Eagle 17 / Ferrari 15 / Brabham 10 / Cooper 5 / Honda 3 / BRM 0

To see your current tokens hover your mouse over your total points on the Works (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=302&theme=6) or Privateers (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=303&theme=6) championship standings pages. Ten tokens will be added when you cross the start line.

There are two 67 Championships, namely Works and Privateers. The driver split will be;

WORKS drivers

Arf Arf Arf	Baab	Beefpie
Evil Clive	Fulvio Policardi	Tim FMG
Hristo Itchov	ivandjj	John Roberts
Rick Nauman	Sam B	Tom van O
Jethro W	Karliss (R)	Will Tway (R)

PRIVATEERS drivers

Bernie	Billy	Blito
Hannah	Fabio L	Mike T
Mike (miner)	Nigel Smith	Ronnie P
Ross N	Skymole 2173	Vosblod
Paul (Badblood) (R)	Steve Bird (R)	Happy Al (R)

67 Patch: The 1.3 Release of the 67mod can be used.

NOTE: Please ensure you join the correct server, due to the way we import if you start the race on the wrong server your result will not count.

REPLAYS
Privateers server replays will be posted in the usual place after the event. Works will now be posted at http://grandprix.xs4all.nl/ (http://grandprix.xs4all.nl/) . When downloading please check the timetable for other races and DO NOT download while another race is being run.


Westwood Motorsport Park (or Westwood Racing Circuit) was a 1.8 mile 8-turn road racing circuit located in Coquitlam, British Columbia on the southern slopes of Eagle Mountain. The track was built and operated by the Sports Car Club of British Columbia. Construction of Westwood began in 1957, and the first race was held on July 26, 1959, making it the first purpose-built permanent road course in Canada. The track, which was located on leased provincial crown land, eventually fell victim to urban development and finally closed in 1990 to make way for the Westwood Plateau housing development.

I'm taking a sabbatical from all UKGPL racing as I am moving into my own place!

Not a clue in the foreseeable future when I'll pick GPL up again but chances are not this season.

Apologies to anybody's races I've destroyed. Breathe, you have one less de Crasheris to worry about. :)

How long does it take to move?! Get back soon!

I have a significant other in the mix as well. Priorities H. ;)

Would do well before next season to practice some more and do some pickup races, but at least with access to decent comms I can have my own dedicated uncontended line!!! :D

Good, so you'll return as an alien!  ;D

All 24 digits crossed. ;D

So the other person in your life knows about GPL then... ;)

No, he was only released back into the community yesterday.  ;D ;D ;D

I see you understand the life style of Wazas.  :)

She being 5 hours behind UK time can help plan certain parts of her life around the races, but me moving puts all the GPL activity outta whack. Can't do the races, can't practice, can't find enough time at the moment to practice, hence me withdrawing.

Both T7 and GPG server are set for 43 laps Long race and online grid.
Ciao

Thanks Fulvio

Where's your dedication, man? Good luck with it and see you soon.

Hiki Waza is the first to crumble under the pressure of Antipasti Racing Team!

After today's Porsche race this has quite a different meaning, doesn't it.  ::) I hope you learn something from it...

I did H no worries, just like you did from the incident with Bob at The Glen and Juha at the Nordschleife last season. I made a mistake, plain and simple. Will try to make sure to get in front of you at Westwood to avoid extra contact.

Tom.

The only thing I learned from Watkins was that Bob likes to brake in acceleration zones.  :D

A nice Antipasti buffet to get the team fired up for Westwood....

(http://i54.tinypic.com/2le2o83.jpg)

Nothing wrong with dreaming for the perfect table I guess.  :)

Blimey - who chose this and Monsanto. These are TOUGH. May skip this one to save face :)

Who cares about face, do it for the experience. Always a positive to take with every outing.

You will lose a lot more of your face ( and probably some other body parts as well!!) if SHE discovers that you were CHICKEN!!!! :yes: :death: :hang: :no:

Actually the SHE in my household may cramp my style. I hope to be there (do we have to do 50%? I might not have the pace lol) but I have to pick up my boys at some point. Bets are on about Lap 2 :(

well i'm not chickening out.. this is gonna be a laugh and a half!! how many lap one retirees this time?? Perhaps we should rename #ukgpl to #earlybathclub .
Seriously guys, what a dreadful choice of circuit for these cars! This is gonna be a challenge just to to keep on the blackstuff.. i've yet to do more than 2 or 3 in a go!

Haven't tried the track yet, but is it really that bad?  :o

and heres the race report from the early bath club...
amazed to qualify p4! not used to being able to see the man with the starting flag!
Got a decent start but going into the braking zone into t1 found i left it too late and had to take avoiding action. spun the car round but lucky no one hit me and I rejoined in last place. I immediately started chasing people down but once i caught up with the pack i made a another mistake and put a wheel on the grass causing the car to spin round..
I then set off again, catching a cooper down the back straight. I was just pulling right to setup an outbrake when the other car jinked right. I toook avoiding action but that put me on the grass... and the car doesnt slow down much on the grass. I slammed into an unfortunate brabham who was making his way round the marshalls hairpin. at that point i though f**k this and quit...
TBH, terrible choice of track for the 67s...

I've never given up on a race but if I was ever going to do so this was it. Had a job to do so I had 10 minutes setup left. Hmm I'd done 5 laps of this circuit and found it hard - how hard can it be though?

Qualifying 976th told me how. Just tried to keep out of the way but it is hard when you have no control of the car - sorry to Ronnie who I believe I caught and sorry to, well, basically, anyone in the race. :( Woeful and that may be my last 67 for a while. Just plain embarrassing.

Before I head off for some sleep, commiserations Ross. Always a bummer when the engine lets you down. I know the feeling after the Porsche race on Friday. You will be back!

Don't sweat it Paul a mere graze I'm sure and just part of racing. Never feel embarrassed just keep enjoying yourself, gpl is meant to be fun as well as a challenge. Now I must sleep. Goodnight.

That race was certainly a challenge keeping the car on the black stuff. I found that by driving at perhaps 95% made a huge difference as I found late braking around here was an absolute no no. Having said that I still managed to throw myself of the road twice  ::). My race was pretty straight forward. Made a reasonable start and made an ambitious move up the inside of Rick which almost worked, but in hindsight I was too far back. Luckily the resulting bump was minor and Rick only lost a place to my cheeky pass  :).

A few laps in and I decided to investigate the scenery, allowing a few cars past. But proceeded to gain those lost places back when those in front of me also decided that the grass was more interesting than the black stuff! Eventually I wound up 3rd, unable to catch Tim and H up ahead and spent the rest of the race maintaining a gap over Rick. Pleased to have finished on the last step of the podium. Congrats to H and Tim, simply blistering times up front.

I then set off again, catching a cooper down the back straight. I was just pulling right to setup an outbrake when the other car jinked right.

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I've watched the replay, Jason, and I don't see any jinking. I just see you attempting an overambitious pass and missing the braking point with inevitable consequences.

Good to see you not disconnect for a change, Sam, the new connection proving stable? As for the track, I don't see why so many people complain - it has a nice flow and although it requires a different driving style, it rewards driving skill and car setup rather than relying on a better machinery.

I spent half of the practice session to remember the track from the single 66s 2L event we had at it years ago and to also try to figure out my setup. After a couple of unsuccessful outings that ended up in offs and crashes, I figured that such a low grip surface requires a softer suspension, so once that was dialed in and the gearbox ratios set properly, the car became a joy to drive as long as I didn't overdrive it. The tire temperatures were an issue after a few laps though, so I didn't expect much of an advantage, if any, in the race.

The start was OK, but Tim was very quick and my cautious approach to the initial 5-6 laps, to let the engine warm up and to see how the car handled on more fuel, allowed him to keep up within a striking distance. I found out that the braking for the hairpin was really difficult with all that fuel onboard and sometimes the car just wouldn't stop and the wheels wouldn't lock up even if I fully pressed the pedal. Those bumps at the beginning of the braking zone definitely mattered and requires some modulation of the brake and throttle pedals.

The lack of running on race fuel showed as I went off into the hairpin and dropped to 3rd, then repeated that and lost 2 seconds to Bob who was in 2nd, with Tim another 1-2 seconds in front of him. It looked like I might not be able to catch and pass them at this stage of the race, but as I gained confidence with each lap, the gap began to shrink. I was amazed to find out that Bob was in the BRM as he was going really fast, closing up on Tim. Fortunately for me I didn't have to deal with Bob, as he went off and saved me the trouble of trying to pass him.

Tim seemed a bit unstable in the T2-T4 part of the track and once he had a wobble exiting on the straight, I drove inside of him and we braked for the hairpin side by side. I was not sure I'll be able to slow down on time, but it just worked out and I drifted in front of him to retake the lead.

Surprisingly though, Tim sped up at this stage of the race and kept going within a second for many laps, forcing me to push to the limit. It was fun, but at the same time very stressful and exhausting, and at one point I realized I was not blinking as my eyes suddenly became all watery, lol. That's why it was a bit of a relief when he dropped back after a mistake or something, and that coincided with my Honda's handling improving as the fuel load went down, so I managed to increase the pace a little bit.

The final few laps were a joy to drive, despite the overheating tires, so I went for the fastest lap. The slightly higher ride height took away some of the pace of the car, but nonetheless it was fast enough for a few sub 05s.

My only issue remains the stutter that happens occasionally, which turned out to be caused by the low hardware acceleration setting I need to use to cure the awful sound I get otherwise (Onboard Realtek sound). It's not as bad as in 65s, but still a nuisance.

Grats to all finishers!

Hello,

I am going to tell my story......I was pretty much ready for the race with 16 minutes left in qualifying when my house suffered a massive power failure. I phoned the electric company and one of my lovely neighbours decided they would chain saw a branch into a transformer and blow it up and bring the power lines down with it. The entire hamlet was blacked out.
I was really looking forward to this race because even though Coquitlem now belongs to China and India it was my Canadian home race.

There are too many renegades here.

Malcolm ( hurricane hannah )

By the way I love chain saws, rifles, venison, and dirt bikes but I am civilized about it.

My race was more satisfying than most of my more recent efforts.  Meaning I had a respectable pace and actually finished.  I finished Monaco but my pace and consistency were pathetic.  Came to with in .2 of my PB after one stint in qualy so decided to run some laps with race fuel load.  The single stint got me 3rd on the grid.  Bob got by me at the start but I wasn't too disappointed.  I didn't need intense pressure right off the bat and figured a lot could happen in 43 laps.  Sure enough he must have had some bad moments somewhere because I some how got ahead of him and later he disappeared off my radar.  After Sam got by at T2 it was pretty much a lonely race.  I could not gain on him, and nobody behind me could mount a threat to me.  Bob's passing of me at T2 was a little clumsy but not worthy of a complaint.  I have to say I was totally shocked when I felt the bump.  I had no idea he was there.  Luckily GPL was fairly realistic in it's behavior and didn't cause a ridiculous explosion or the like.  I was able to carry on with no noticeable damage.

I don't understand the complaints about the track.  It is just a regular old track with a variety of turn types.  You got a banked T1 (gotta love that).  A challenging sweeper with a tightening radius.  A long straight with a crest before braking.  Climbing esses with one off-camber turn and a downhill to the finish line.  I don't see what makes it so hard.

Oh yeah, I almost forgot... congrats to H for another impressive win.

I left in a huff and didn't save the replay, but I think you were just covering the middle ground of the track which is entirely fair. I simply pulled right to try and pass and ran out of road. My fault entirely. I seem to be doing an awful lot of "running out of road" just recently. Pace-wise i've taken a hue leap forward since season 20 but my ability to lap cleanly has gone out of the window!

I like the track and I think it has a good flow, just on less throttle than usual. If it was easy everybody would be doing it.

Qually was OK and I managed 5th but started to slip down a bit and I found I was overdriving it and going more slowly so halfway through Qually I put on race fuel and went out again, driving much more smoothly and relaxing a lot more which meant that in the dying seconds I put in a faster time than on low fuel and moved back to 5th.

That turned into 3rd, 2nd and then the lead quite quickly as those in front fell off.

The first third or so of the race went really well in the lead and everything felt fine so I was just knocking the laps off while holding a chasing Ronnie at bay, then it went wrong.

Braking for the hairpin I locked the rears and heated them, then as I exited I lit them up again and had to lift but they still looked hot and the rear wanted to swap ends with the front as I tried to get the power down. I got into a huge tank slapper and ended up on the roof, so a SHIFT-R and SnG later I was in 3rd just in front of Fabio who tried to exploit my weakness in braking for the hairpin, and he got almost alongside but backed out of it thankfully and after a few laps of nip and tuck I assume he had an off as he suddenly slipped right back and left me in a lonely 3rd.

I overshot the hairpin 4 times I think as I occasionally had to get off the brakes and give a little throttle to steady the car as it tried to get away from me  but I was matching the front two and closing a little, but then I got into some groups of backmarkers and lost concentration. Despite Ronnie suddenly going from about 15s in front to 5s in front I couldn't take advantage and he pulled away again as some of the backmarkers decided to race me which was worrying as my lapping skills in 67s are not great.

Glad to get on the podium where I didn't expect to be but luckily others were less fortunate than me.

Looking forward to the rest of the season and I can't believe it took me this long to race 67s.

As you may have already read and experienced, my connection is not good enough. In the beginning it wasn't that much of a problem, but as Clive came closer it became one distraction too many. After couple of spins i managed to get back in some sort of a rythm and caught Fulvio.

Just as i was getting alongside Fulvio at the end of the straight, he disappeared. When he appeared again i was alongside his rear wheel and he was turning in. I stood on the brakes and spun deliberately not to hit him. Rolled on the grass and retired undamaged.

It doesn't make sense trying to race like this, i'll be back when i get my connection in order. + It wouldn't be nice if i spawned wrong in the middle of the field in T1/L1.

In my former place gpl worked perfectly fine with worse connection and same system, so there must be i catch somewhere. Any suggestions on what to do with connection are welcome.

Despite the DNF I really enjoyed this event, especially after missing some lately due to work.

Qually saw a great battle between Martin, Ronnie and myself for pole, I was chuffed to pip Martin's time only for the Super Swede to go one better minutes later!

The start went badly when Martin and I touched coming out of T2, leaving me dead last. The next few laps were crazy, with cars spinning off everywhere, leaving me back in the top six. I ended up trying to chase down 4th-placed Fabio, until around halfway when I blew the engine. Before I had a chance to take my SnG, I blew it again!! Game over.

Anyway well done to the podium boys and I'll see you all at the next one.

Sorry you had to retire, I was asking myself what had happened there when I saw you sideways in my mirror.
My race was a strong effort to learn a track that I hadn't even had installed before the race. I was out in the weekend and forgot to check if I had the track installed after having set the servers.
Anyway after have been all over the place in qually and been involved in the lap 1 crash, I enjoyed the track and managed to run in a high .06 with a Goodwood setup. Very interesting the long downhill two times right hander and the final fast esse before the s/f straight.
Ciao

Hmm different parts of the learning curve. This is one tough track as a novice. Try driving it with no setup...

Still fun though but you have to concentrate hard for all but the long straight, tiring but surprising how quickly the lap counter came down (mind you it is quicker when you lose 1 for the lap you complete and 1 for the leader passing you!).

You don't need a fast connection to play, just a quality one. In terms of speeds you can play GPL even on dial-up... Most importantly, don't go for wireless, and then it's a matter of how stable and clean connection your ISP can provide.

I have noticed no improvement from using a wired connection.

As on Friday with the Porsches, people were chatting about me warping during qually, which I don't think is fair on others (and massively distracted me when I thought I was about to post a 106 until warp decided it was 115).

On Saturday I practiced online and there was no warp (as s2173 will confirm). On Sunday I tried it twice through the day and there was no warp. Then as soon as we get near to race time I did one last test and there was a bit of warp. However, I was relieved to see that after 3/4 laps the warp disappeared and things were normal again...

..until qually, where I got terrible warp - GPL seems to run slow, good laps are rewarded with 115ish times, and everyone complains about me (I understand you don't want your own race ruined). I spent as much time looking at the red 'S' bar descending to the bottom - every time it get to the bottom my wheel shakes as if it has been hit, and the S bar resets itself (i.e. starts to build up for another attack!).

In the hope the warp might die down I decided to make a slow start away from the grid only to find others did that too, and then we caught up much of the pack as there was an incident on T1... I slowed again, and thought I was on my own, but coming down the main straight 2 cars appeared near me, so I pulled off the track to retire, but a piston got there before I hit the escape button.

So, what causes warp? Hristo mentioned stability of ISP service - what does that mean, and is there anything I can do at my end? As I said at the start, I've tried a cable, and it didn't appear to make any difference. I qualified at Monaco on wifi, and the connection was perfect (my internet connection (not wifi) failed just after the start of the race, which is why I DNFd).

Cheers

Arf

p.s. Fulvio, I think I hit you as you avoided the mess on L1, T1. I knew you were there, but warp sometimes affects how quickly I stop. Having checked the replay I was doing 45mph when I hit you, and you were doing 37mph, so I thought the small speed differential didn't explain the way your car reacted by cartwheeling off the road. Sorry anyway..

Sorry I had to pass on this one. I went to Reims (the real track, not the GPL one ;) ) in the afternoon, and when I got back I went to my friend for a barbecue and didn't get back in time for the race. I'll be back next time :) .

Tommie.

I have wireless with one meter distance between router and cputer now, but i can connect them with LAN wire. Is that worth a try?

Regarding the track, it has many misleading parts due to elevations and camber. It is much more difficult to drive it on the limit and/or in the battle than your average mickey mouse track. Probably not a good track for Privateer race. And part of the Works maybe ;)

A wire will always give a more stable connection than wireless in the long term. The problem lies in the connection that your ISP can provide. It may be that your ISP is not providing a consistent connection.

@Arf arf arf. You may have the same problem Colin. When you were on the practice server with me, the warp was terrible.

Arf,

your problem doesnt sound like connection problem. You seem to be fine when there are few cars on the server during free practice and it gets much worse when there is a qualy and the race with 10 people on. I was warping the same in free practice, as Will confirmed to me.

Is your cputer a bit older ? Anyway, try lessening resolution and graphic settings in gpl and see if it makes a difference.

Even that has a kink in it as you go over the hill.

BB

Is there anything I can actually do about the connection quality? I don't have control over ISP choice where I am at the moment, so changing ISP probably isn't an option in the short term.

Ivan

I doubt the hardware is part of the cause - here's my spec; Dell Studio XPS laptop. Its 18 months old, dual core 2.4 gHz processors, 4gB of RAM with two dedicated graphics processors - GPL can run on just one, but I always (and only) use the second for GPL. As such I run full details bias and sound.

Np Arf for the contact, it happens.
About your conn. problem, I was one that complained in qually. I was following you mostly during practice and you were keeping disappearing and reappearing.
From what part of the world are you connecting? GPG server is placed in Nederland and maybe you have a bad route to it.
What kind of steering wheel and Windows version have you? Some old wheels have problems with FF and cause an overload to cpu like what is happening in these days with last build of iRacing and LWFF.
Can you do a trace to the servers to see if there is a hop that fails and loose packets? If you have Vroc you can easily do with Inspect function, or you can use a tool like Ping Plotter.
Ciao

Hmm a laptop, have you set the power saving to not activate while you run GPL? GPL is a program not recognised by Energy saver, infact the screen saver start while you run GPL if not deactivated. Maybe your CPU slow down to save energy while GPL is running.
Ciao

I'm in the UK


Win 7 64 bit, and a G25


I have been using iGor to connect - never used VROC. I will have a look at Ping Plotter.

Also seen your later post re power saving - I have 'disable Intel Speed Step' set in GEM, which I think takes care of the power saving issue.

  Well, very good race for me... with my favorite cars on my favorite type of tracks i was able to run so-so solid, no shift'rs, just some spins and offroad hikes. No connection problems and screenfreezes, server was nice, no dramas and collisions, it was actually very good track for passing (noticed lately that best place to let fast guys through are actually the corners). Hine's mexico setup worked wery well because of all the trailbraking. Looking forward to Monsanto park...gorgeous track, and 66's arent that different from 67's... i can even use the same setup.

Not the case. He was warping terribly when he was on the practice server and that was just me and him. He actually appeared on me once. It is very disconcerting overtaking someone, seeing them disappear in your mirror and have them appear in front of you! lol

TBH Colin, I don't think that there is that much you can do. The only thing that you can do is make sure that there is no other traffic on your connection when you race and no other processes running on your pc - no anti-virus, no downloads etc etc.

LOL You are right - I pulled left to let somebody past (Fabio I think) and found myself going very right over the crest - oops!

If you suspect your ISP is the culprit, you can do nothing else but call them and tell them about your problems, and demand a better service or at least some change in their settings. Normally they'll probably try to deny that it's their fault, but you should be persistent.

Are you sure it works? Have you an utility on your laptop to trace cpu speed while running GPL? You could set GPL to run in a window with old D3D raster and see what happens around easily.
Ciao

I drived with Arf on the practice server, we even did some tag - he was rock solid, no wraps... maybe something situational?

Ironically when I had a good connection @ Monaco there was someone using the connection, but Friday and Sunday I was in on my own. Wasn't d/l anything, but my virus checker was on. Not sure how I feel about disabling that when I am online for 60-90 minutes.



Fulvio - using PingPlotter I appear to be getting a lot of packet loss. I have tried Google, BBC and then the GPG and BB's GPL server. I get significantly more packet loss on the two GPL servers. All 4 sites seems to have 14-18 hops. Google and BBC have 1 or 2 bad hops. Both GPL servers seem to have more red bars (packet loss hops) than good hops. Starting to feel paranoid....

Yes, I'm pretty sure it works. Before I used the GEM setting I used GPL Power Monger. Without one of these running, GPL doesn't seem to run at the right speed.........er, which is what happens when I have bad warp. Oooh.... (although warp makes me run wayyyy too slow, and I ran way too quickly without Power Monger/Disbale Intel SpeedStep

I am convinced that Disable Intel Speed Step works then I practice on my own at home (i.e. not online), and I always lauch GPL via GEM. The only question is whether all GEM settings work when I go online via iGor. Anyone?

Even though I have a reasonable computer and a 20mb ( which of course runs at about 8mb normally  ::)) I still use a small programme called
 "End it all" before each race.

I know some will throw their hands up in horror, because it shuts down just about everything on the computer except Igor and GPL, but it does guarantee that I get no interference from AV updates, screen savers, power saving or any other stuff. It also frees up all my computers resources for GPL, although it probably does not need quite that much computing power!!

As I shut down my computer after racing ( because I am usually knackered and am off for some zzzzzzzzzzz's ), everything is restored when I next reboot so I have no probs.

As for the race and the circuit...... I never got a comfortable setup for this track and found that I was fighting the car all the way...never good :-\.  In hindsight, the ride was probably too hard and unforgiving.
A couple of offs dropped me slowly down the order until I found myself behind Will and I enjoyed a few laps chasing his Brabham until the Esses at the top of the S/F straight where I had been experiencing some frame rate drops. The car seemed to bottom on the ( too hard??) suspension and snatched to the left ripping a wheel off on the fence...race over.

I think I will return for some private practice here and sort the setup because it should have been a great race on a nice track...but it certainly did not feel that way last night!!  :-\

All did not go according to plan, at Westwood.  I'd arrived with a well sorted Cooper, and had no trouble slotting into pole position on my first outing.  So I contented myself, cruising around on full tanks, for most of the session.  Only to discover too late, that two sneaks had sneaked ahead, late in the going!  I was pipped! :(

Ronnie and Ross are not known for their slouchiness, and I decided discretion should be the better part of valour, at the start.  All this changed when Ross squirreled, and went wide at the Carousel.  A heavy dose of warping followed, and a wayward Brabham, meant I was up to 2nd, with only a pole man ahead.  I'm learning the hard way, that a land line and a packed field, seems to be as precarious, as wireless!

Once we were off, it seemed everyone was off at least once, in the first laps.  All except mike, who gained the lead by default.  And while he held Ray at bay, I was able to make up ground in 3rd. 

With  Mike's misfortune mid-race, it became a straight, 'Clash of the Titans'. (modest aren't I?)  Ray had the task of picking his way through the backmarkers, while I sat on his tail, in the faster car, and waited for a mistake.  He was flawless, as were the backmarkers, damn them!  So, it was many fun filled laps before his mistake, and I was let loose on an unsuspecting tarmac. ;D

A great race for me, with some good dicing at the front.  The only tinge being the opening spat with Ross.  The track rewarded a good setup, and was a much harder challenge for those without, with much practice at lapping for front runners.  Some of those being passed, slowed dramatically in the process, but survived.  My thanks to Ronnie, Ross, and Mike, for keeping things interesting.

Unfortunately I realized too late that the race was yesterday, otherwise I'd have done some laps and post some replays and setups. If it's of any help though, here's a merged replay of my 2 fastest Qualifying and 2 fastest Race laps:

http://racingleague.co.cc/hikiwaza/downloads/west1967_GPLRA_merged.rpy

It was interesting to see the difference in lines at some of the corners and the speed gain/loss that came as a result. I think with a perfect lap a low 04 is possible, but the fps stutter problem I'm experiencing has been harassing me on almost every lap and that caused some minor losses of control and deviation from the ideal line.

Here are also my race and qual setups:

http://racingleague.co.cc/hikiwaza/downloads/67_westwood_q2.mu1
http://racingleague.co.cc/hikiwaza/downloads/67_westwood_r1.mu1

As a rule of thumb - the lower the grip, the softer your suspension needs to be. Once I realized that, the car became quite stable, as long as I didn't make sudden moves at higher speeds (when I did, it acted like a boat which would drift to the side forever!).

Is that what caused it! I went off about a dozen times there, literally.  I am also becoming increasingly worried that I cost Ray his race, even though he was most gracious, as usual. I will have to review it and then, maybe, stay away for all but the easiest tracks.

I slowed hard in T2 as Ivan disappeared and got hit by something, not sure what as all I could see if a flash of white, then a clear blue sky. No hard feelings whatsoever Ivan. My replay does show you vanishing. It's all part of the deal. I just wish there was a way to set the server to combat the never ending warp problems.  Anyhow, I forged on and on and on and on and on, then Evil was on me like flies on $#%^. I hope I didn't wobble too much down the straight..... I really tried hard to leave room. I stayed on the inside to try and keep the advantage into the hairpinish turn. I spun looking for Evil on prib when I could no longer hear the sound of the might waaza motor......

Grats to H and the rest of the podium.

I know it was very hard to tell but I did practice for this one..............

Cheers,

Will

Certainly not one of my favourite tracks. To achieve a good time you needed confidence in your braking points & on several occasions the blessing of the GPL Gods that the car would slow down enough to take the hairpin. I found various places on the circuit where one wheel on the grass would send you spiralling. I put this down to deer shit or some other devilishly slippery stuff on the verges.

Set a good qualification of 5th (reduced to 6th by Mike’s late run). Looked even better when I was in P4 within half a lap. Decided that survival would pay off at Westwood by making sure I hit my brake points & warmed up the car nicely before driving flat out. About lap 5 my back wheel stepped out & the car span. Steve Bird was behind at that point & had no reasonable chance of missing me. Amazingly the called rolled several times & settled on its wheels with no apparent harm. The GPL Gods were, however, not so easily cheated – I set off again took the hairpin quite neatly only to be  speared side on by the Blito javelin. (I do understand how that happened Jason). Took a SnG but the confidence was shot & just could not find a decent rhythm until the final couple of laps. Finally managed to reel in Skymole & did a banzai last lap, just missing out nicking 8th place by a whisker. 

Pleased to have finished & congratulations to those who conquered Westwood – particularly those avoided the deer shit at consistent race speed.

Way off form for practise, couldnt get into the track and changed race setup choice made things worse for the race .Then trying too hard on cold tyres I went off twice at the hairpin on L1 & L2  the start of many "offs"

Worse still the sound kept cutting out , sometimes would drive about half a lap or so and it would come back on , but often  I had to press cont/alt/del then play a tune on the mouse button to get it back again .

Without engine noise the Coop became almost impossible to drive , giving more "offs" including quite a long time stuck up the banking watching the whole field go by .

Not sure why my PC is suddenly doing this but suspect now its something to do with the new Kodak printer we recently installed on the home network system cos it was OK before that  ::)

Need to get sorted for the next battle , any ideas welcome  :)

Grats to Martin on a fine win and to the podium , at least my offs made my being lapped easy for you guys  :D

 

Colin - re earlier do NOT diable your AV but make sure it won't download an update or start a scan whilst you are racing - it can be disastrous.

As to iGOR it will take all your settings from the ini files - iGOR.ini, core.ini etc. I don't think it picks up GEM settings unless they write to those files. I BELIEVE that is how it works but I can't prove it and I have been known to be wrong.

If you are getting bad packet loss you may be able to adjust some of the settings on your router to prioritise your GPL traffic. I seem to remember your router is a bit horrid :)

You really need to isolate the issue so start off by making sure your PC is the only one connected on the router. Reboot it to clear any connection caches and then ensure that ONLY GPL/iGOR are running.

If you still experience problems then it is almost certainly the quality of the connection outside your walls - time to call your ISP.

If not then start ramping things up to establish a pattern - boring and tedious.

One issue might be that you just have too many connections open and your router is swamped. You could check this using TCPView (its a wrapper program round netstat) Just Google that. Might help.

Cheers,

P.

RE the connection issues, do you use a router?

I had a similar problem and I had to setup some firewall rules on my router to allow certain ports access. I'll try to dig out what I did to see if it will help.

Al

Yes, I connect through a router. Apart from the standard iGor port settings, and some that BadBlood helped me with (effectively just the same iGor ports set up for both TCP and UDP) the only other things I have done is disable SPI in the router firewall.

Disabling SPI made the difference to me being able to host races locally on my laptop, which I'd previously been unable to do (tho' I'd been able to connect to UKGPL practice server before that)

Arf

The internet was flawless this time round H  :). I think it's fair to say what happened in the Sports Cars race was a blip as I have never had GPL show me a server error on screen before. Normally, the quality bar gradually gets bigger with no explanation if the internet's being useless  ::). I must admit, using wires instead of wireless over the last few months had made an enormous difference, the only problems now are Virgin occasionally not offering me a constant connection. Now that I've said that, no doubt I'll disconnect at the next one  ;D

Bob got by me at the start but I wasn't too disappointed.  I didn't need intense pressure right off the bat and figured a lot could happen in 43 laps.  Sure enough he must have had some bad moments somewhere because I some how got ahead of him and later he disappeared off my radar.  After Sam got by at T2 it was pretty much a lonely race.  I could not gain on him, and nobody behind me could mount a threat to me.  Bob's passing of me at T2 was a little clumsy but not worthy of a complaint.  I have to say I was totally shocked when I felt the bump.  I had no idea he was there.

Rick, I think you have Sam and I mixed up.  I made a better get away hence was in front of you at T2 (though I think you know this).  Not a big deal, just didn't want anyone to think I'd been crashing into people, when I had a clean if not uneventful race.

This track seems to have provoked a marmite reaction, I actually loved it, but there seems to be a fair number who hated it.  Thought it flowed well and had a few challenging corners.  I almost took the lotus but actually quite liked the way the BRM went around here.  Managed to pull my best lap out of the bag in qual, which was good timing.  Started well but then lost concentration...or perhaps T1 was too much of a challenge to make it round 43 times unscathed.  Having once been in front of H I ended up a lap down.  Still, pleased I made it to the finish.  Hopefully my mate Arf will be able to take part soon.

Bob

That was indeed me with that clumsy manoeuvre, although I have apologised to Rick about it. I wouldn't be surprised if the mods demote me a place or two given the emphasis on keeping it clean on the first lap.

Garats to Martin on a fine win and Mike for third . A clear lap towards the end of qualifying and I sneaked pole position ahead of Ross and Martin, just. The BRM proved a ponderous handful early on and and my pole soon became a chasing second behind Mike. Keeping up with him was a challenge and passing was simply not going to happen unless we hit backmarkers or he made a mistake. Fortunately for me he headed up some banking and I regained the lead. Unfortunately the new Martin (fast and consistant) had been and was now increasingly snapping at my heels. A combination of neat lines and later and later breaking at the end of the long straight were just about keeping me ahead but Martin, I think, had pin pointed my weak spot just after the start finish line. So I started praying we would not come across any backmarkers at this point of the track, I did not pray hard enough. I got distracted by another car after the s/f line, made a mistake and Martin pounced. He left me to eat Cooper fumes and pulled a comfrtable lead. I had to accept I was never going catch him let alone pass him. After surviving a few late scares including slowing right down to check the car was fit for purpose I rolled in for second. Commiserations to Ross who from qualifying should have been fighting for the win/podium. One last point I think this is a great track and hope we race here again in the future!

Results uploaded, any Incident Reports by close of play Friday please. A provisional review of the Privateers shows everyone complied with the reset rules and no-one took more then one. A reminder that you only need to stop (ie fully come to a halt) and not actually wait for any length of time. Of course you can wait for as long as you like if you want to, you won't be penalised for it ;D

Just drove a few laps of Monsanto on ukgpl server and seemingly i'm not warping. Prior to that i connected my formerly wireless router by LAN cable to cputer. I'll save the celebrations until i test it tomorrow in qualy. I'll have to apply for 66s to do that i guess.

Thx everyone for advice, especially Hristo. And good luck to Arf in his Quest. You might try asking the same question on SMRZ or some other public gpl forum, more people will see it, more chance to get new and different ideas for solutions.

You're right in that I knew you were ahead of me at L1 T2 and it was Sam that bumped me.  Not sure how my post implies otherwise but obviously there is some room for confusion.  My comments about you being behind me were referring to  much later in the race.

Whooooa Nellie!  If you think Westwood was a challenge wait til you try Torino!  You'll be wishing you could skate harmlessly across grassy fields!  Can we turn of the magnetic hay bales?!

I just want to assure everyone that although I am listed as +8L and Disco I did actually take the chequered flag  ;D

I'd suggest all Privateers take an early look at this track, as it's not a place for -  guesswork, and we'll get it right, on the night.  Racing these blind bends at non-racing speeds, could stack cars vertically!
                                                                                                            :wheelchair:          :scooter:          :tank: 
                                                                                                       

Not what I was hoping to hear but thanks for the tip-off Martin. Would someone be kind enough to post an expected lap time? So I know when to give up trying.

Looking at GPLRank a par time appears to be about 1:36 - there are, of course two tracks so I am guessing it is the update. The record is about 1:26 and some have uploaded times in excess of 2:30!

I am aiming for a nice, safe 1:45. If Westwood is anything to go by, I'll get a horrible, unsafe 2:45. :(

So which one are we going to drive on?

Parco del Valentino Torino  1955      Valentino Grand Prix   #6

or

Parco del Valentino Torino  1955      Circuito del Valentino   #7

I just checked up which one we used in oAo 2007 season and it was #7, track folder turin55. It's also supposed to be more accurate, according to the description in the tracks database.

Found it on Google Maps :P http://maps.google.bg/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&q=park&fb=1&gl=bg&t=h&sll=45.053484,7.686417&sspn=0.008443,0.013797&rq=1&ev=zo&split=1&radius=0.4&hq=park&hnear=&ll=45.052014,7.686503&spn=0.008444,0.013797&z=16

Some nice photos here http://forix.autosport.com/8w/valentinopark.html

According to https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=f824c50427428caffc5d5072f2f7e1a9&topic=9198.0

it is this track
http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=2903

Oh yeah, I forgot about the track list in that thread, thanks Arf.

Bob's passing of me at T2 was a little clumsy but not worthy of a complaint.  


Rick, it was this sentence that I was referring to, pretty clear isn't it...?  As Sam mentioned, I think you got me and him mixed up.

No worries though, promise I won't bang on about it.

Bob.

What a beauty , no doubt about it GP drivers in those days had some fantastic circuits , what I wouldnt have given to be let loose here in a Maserati 250F.

Thanks very much to the hardworking track writer/designers , if it runs just half as good as it looks we are in for a treat  :)

PS managed some low 1m39's without too much effort , Im sure you young guns will easily best that  ;)

    

Couldn't agree more.


Yep, I have, and less of the young if you don't mind. ;)

Yeah, that's pretty clearly wrong!   :-[   Sorry.  Don't know how I could read my own post like a dozen times and not pick up on that!    I should hire a proof reader.   ::)

Moderation now published.

Regarding moderation and my warping, i believe the problem is solved, it was succesfully tested at Monsanto 66 race.

Ivan - how did you cure your warp? I have complained to my ISP, and they're investigating... (I also posted on SRMZ as per your suggestion, but no luck...)

Arf

Hristo said that wireless doesn't work for gpl. So i connected my wireless router with lan cable to cputer and it works perfectly now, no disappearing, even no stutter at all. But i suppose you are not on wireless.

Have looked up your thread at srmz http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=6925 and i see that others are suggesting guaranteed problems with wireless too.

When you connected with cable, are you 100% sure that you were connected thru the cable. Is it possible that your cputer still chose wireless connection instead of the cable. Dunno, try disabling wireless completely and connecting thru cable to be 100% sure.

that is excellent advice Ivan, just because there is a cable it doesnt mean windows will default to it !!!

By default Windows will use the connection with the lowest Metric, i.e. the fastest one, so if you have Wireless N it will be faster than Cable and will have the lowest metric, even though it is not the most stable, Windows doesn't care.

You can alter the metric value but it is awkward and does not survive a reboot so as mentioned, it is best to disable wireless while racing.

Sadly, when I put the cable in I switched wireless off, so cable/wifi makes no difference to my problems

Are you still warping horribly then?

Yes I am.

However, things may be about to resolve themselves. Landlord just announced he wants to sell the place I'm living in, so I've been given notice to move out.

New house = new ISP. I think that might do a lot to sort things....

As such, I shall check the connection quality for each race, and if it sucks I'll just wait and see what the new place is like...

Hmmm. Bit bigger than GPL then...