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UKGPL Season 21 65 Novices Trophy
Race 3 Aintree

Aintree Motor Racing Circuit is a 3-mile (4.83 km) motor racing circuit in the village of Aintree, Merseyside, England. The circuit is located within the grounds of the famous Aintree Racecourse where they shoot horses every year after making them run into bushes.

Built in 1954 as the "Goodwood of the North" the circuit hosted the Formula One British Grand Prix five times, in 1955, 1957, 1959, 1961 and 1962, as well as many other races such as the Aintree 200, first won by Stirling Moss in 1954 and last won by Jack Brabham in 1964.

Drivers are warned not to leave their vehicles unattended as their lap times will suffer when the locals replace their wheels with bricks.

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Please see the Novices registration thread for an explanation of the chassis allocations shown below:
https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=9196.0

FULL TIME

DRIVER	CHASSIS
Billy NoBrakes	BT11
Nigel Smith	Honda
Maddog	Cooper
Il_Lupo	Ferrari
HappyAl	Ferrari
NHance	BT7
Norbert	Ferrarii
Blito	BRM
RogUK	Cooper
BadBlood	Honda
Francesco	Ferrari
Karliss	Honda
Cookie	Lotus
DuFossa	BT11
Economia	BRM
JonnyO	Lotus

RESERVE

DRIVER	CHASSIS
Maestro	Cooper
Bookie	1
Fragfritz	1
GTA66	1

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The Novice races are run under Int Long rules and all incidents will be moderated.

Race List = IGOR
Server = UKGPL5
IP address = ping myjamesonline.net
Race date = 31/05/2011
Time = 21:00 UK time
Track = Aintree
Variant = 65F1
Damage Model = Int
Qualifying time = 35 minutes
Race length = 21 laps
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

65 Patch: The 2.02 Release of the 65mod can and should be used.
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Driver lists can be found on the Novice Championship Page (http://www.)

| originally posted By Badblood in the Watkins Glen post... |
| RE: Aintree |

*UPDATE - Thought "If Karliss is struggling, maybe it is hard!" Went out and did five laps and got faster and faster as the confidence came in. "HA!" I thought. "Nailed it". 1:53 Big smiles. Onto GPL Rank to find I am only a second or so behind the likes of Goran, Ray etc. Not too bad... where is Karliss? 1:48. That's ruined my day... Harder than Monaco indeed. Pull the other one.
« Last Edit: May 25, 2011, 04:03:43 PM +0100 by BadBlood »

Ahem... I'm lapping comfy in the 54's with half tanks... Do I detect another event where I'm just chugging around at the back? The Glen was a painful experience for me and I don't care to be that slow 2 races running!

It is a painful truth that any time near mine will be chugging along at the back... :(

i want to ask before race:
if i do shortuct not on purpose, but here in Aintree, after straight it is easy to slide outside on a wide shortcut.
as many times i did that seems there is no time gaining, but only loss about 0.5 sec, but shortcut is very spectacular.
so
what i can do during the race in case of shortcut, to avoid penalty for that after race?

I think that there is again an error.I have the Lotus assigned but normally i race with the Ferrari.
Ferrari is OK?

Two things about Aintree I have noted.
If you go off & hit the horse race track fence even slowly, the car will almost every time be damaged enough to need a shiftR. You may even get away with hitting the wall but not those fences.

Short cut:- are you kidding. If your talking about the whole of that last stretch past the adverising signs before the last corner resuming on the left turn of the little S bend that will not only cost time but it would be termed a rejoin so you'd be obliged to give way to anyone on track. Straight lining the little S bend only, deliberately & often with all 4 wheels off the track.UUUMMMM. If your in the 1.48's you don't need to.
Norm H

Aah, yes, my mistake again.

The Ferrari is yours.

Don't think I'll be back home in time for the race, 2nd race I've missed in short order.

Hope everyone has a great race and see you next time.

pity... gonna miss your company at the back Al  ::)

On the practice I have just done I am going to be 3 laps down - 2 shift-rs and generally awful. Sheesh. 1:54's would be lovely :(

Well - that was fun whilst it lasted!

Qually was OK and I did 1:53.14 on my very last lap after one warm up lap having run out of fuel on the previous flyer :(

Thought I would be higher than 11th tbh.

Never mind made a cautious start and Fabio zoomed past and then I lost another place down to the kink but mayhem ahead.... avoided it got up to 6th, slight mistake and Jason and Nigel were away but no problem. Chased them down on lap 2 and got so close I missed my braking point at T2. Never crashed there in 60 laps of practice :( Never mind. Took my stop n go and settled in at 11th again. Set about chasing down the boys in front with Norm closing behind. He was keeping me honest and I probably braked earlier than he expected but he was very clean. He probably thought I was brake testing him, but I wasn't. He finally got me at T5 as I went wide and lost traction off the grass. I backed off to get good drive from T6 (the long right hander) and was confident I could draft him but I couldn't because my PC froze  >:(

So I got my sub 1:54's albeit with two horrible laps and ended up 17 laps behind. Great. Don't think I will bother practising again this season. Felt like I was genuinely in the mix (apart from one silly mistake) and thought I could make a few places. Gutted.

Paul - It can't have been me you refer too as I lost out big stylee in the T1 comedy and only passed you when you took your SnG... I was in convoy with Jonny O and Rog UK at the time.. In fact Rog and I were never more than 3 secs apart the whole race and we were matching each others speed and not making mistakes.. until I think his tyres started to go off with just a few laps remaining.. when I passed him we were side-by-side through t2 AND t3!!
So.. well done to Karliss for a well deserved win, and to Nigel for his stunning fastest lap! Well done fellas!

Oh! Wonder who it was then.

Jeps
Found myself in a beautyfull pile  :o and had to reset a dozen times.
Well i think it was twice :).
And of course had forgotten everything about compulsatory SnG's.
That makes to  penaltys to me i guess ::)
Oh yes and sorry Norm for the touchdown in round 12.
My fault. Without that one you would have been gone long away :)

WELL WELL
After two very disapointing races i finaly managed to get
MY FIRST LEAGUE RACE VICTORY!!!!
man, who would ever think that i will do this in this bloody hell hard etc. pain in a...s track
(track that i hated more than any track before lol)
so First thing
Thanks all UKGPL guys here in forum. who patiently answer all my stupid and sometimes "i dont understund" questions.
so, its realy nice support here, i enjoy it. Without you all i would never get believe that i can win a online league race.
and never become a faster in this BEST PC SIM EVER!
its very important for me :))
Also Special thanks to Hristo Itchov, who support us with Alien advice and great onbord laps on youtube!

so here is my race:
Short before race i put my PB on warmup server.. 1-48.72!!
get realy frustrated cos i couldnt connect to server, when i did, qual session has 8min remmains... under great presssure i did my Pole lap with 3rd clear lap.
started from Pole and runaway from Cookie.
Once i did mistake in T4, but thats all.
i Dint push hard at all cos saw, that i have speed enaugh to go around 0.5-1sec faster per lap than Cookie, so i lifted up.
Prayed not to blow my engine (like sometimes in practice),
then i remmembered my Forum Lesson aboud expectations, and focused on turn, gear, revs etc. once in lap checked Igor, for holding my gap.
As soon i started to push to much i slowed down ( i was very afraid to crash), cos thoght, Bether is Win, than headtrick. (Congrats Nigel!)
so i saw mark 5Laps to go... here starts my hardest race ever.
hands went swet, adrenaline rush, heartbeats rise up... and i hardy tried to concentrate on curent actions.
Then i saw 1lap to go.... OMG. i slowed down, didnt shift gears lower than 3 i think....
CHECKED FLAG!!!
but wait, for any error, i did another lap for security.
thats all
Quite slow but confidient race.. average laptimes around 1-51.+/-
 :jumpjoy:
 :euro:

1:51 is not a slow average laptime. It is fast and consistent and you will get many more wins with consistency like that. Well done.

I think I wiped you out on one qually lap, lost it at T3 iirc. Sorry about that but I was on a hot one myself.

Congratulations again, you have come a long way and we will miss you when you move up to the Pros :D

Great race for me with unbeatable Karliss in front of me, GRATZ!

In Quali I wasn't really concentrated after the hassle with IGOR...
But 3rd was a good position to start ;)

Managed a good start and could follow Karliss a while, but soon got aware he has stronger engine!
Allways came nearer in corners but lost more on straights. The guys behind were far behind and I did no mistake....

Towards the end I had to pass Paul and Billy with no problems.
BUT then I closed up to Fran, who seems to be blind on blue colors!
Fought me 2 laps and when I passed him at turn 4 he bumped me out...  >:(
I was filled with anger and adrenaline and so I spinned in the next corner again.

This brought JohnnyO to my back so I put all my strength together to keep my second place over the SF-line  ;D

Axel

Well done Karlisss, I think we all could see a win coming. Well done, and I'm sure it's the first of many.

Sham I missed this one.

Definitely not me mate. This confusion is catching... (btw it was Fabio I was chasing - still expect Jason to be in the ketchup wagon). I disco'ed after 4.5 laps :(

I think it was whizzy Nigel.

Well done the podium drivers & particularly Karliss. The transformation from midfield to front runner has been meteoric.
Embarassed by my outburst after W/Glen I made up my mind the day after to start this race from the back of the grid. That way I wouldn't be responsible for any lap1 turmoil & hopefully if there was any I would pick my way through it. Did only one lap to register I was here & sat watching rest of qually which was difficult but I stuck to my promise.
After the smoke cleared(literally) ;D from the turn 1 incident it was shiftR. Thought it didn't do this unless the track was clear but I was immediatly hit again from behind. Took the S&G. I had a good pace here (5th fastest lap of the entire night) & by lap 5 I had caught & passed Bad Blood & by lap 7 Pete Maestro also. By lap 12 I was threatening Norbert & he spun & I clipped him. He did a full 360 & proceeded but I was the wrong way & Fossa passed us both. Lap 14 I was back on Norbert's case & had a real chance to pass on lap 16. He gave me room but I just couldn't put the power on & I spun later in the lap. A small off later but as we went into the final corner of the race I was right behind Norbert again.
I know you wouldn't call 11th a good result but I count this as one of my better drives as I really kept my discipline with only the one spin & a couple of minor offs & made two clean passes when I am not usually that good at "racing". Thanks to Paul, Pete & Norbert for a clean race. I enjoyed it.
Looks like I will miss Silverstone but should be at Albi but I won't have had much practice
Norm H
 

I was really looking forward to my battle with Norm before my disco and he was very generous in terms of leaving me space. Look forward to a battle at Albi.

I was forced to limp through this one, but at least it was a high speed limp.  My much used wheel expired at the weekend, or was it the weak end, and I switched to the backup, which isn't something I looked forward to?  Hoofing it around Aintree, with an overdose of force feedback, and imitation pedals, is not ideal.  And with such a competitive field, I was lucky to start mid-grid.

Once under way, we bunched up towards the first right hander, at which point, several competitors started dancing about the countryside.  A simple collision had turned into a scene from Star Trek - "Beam me up Scotty, and warp factor 7!"  I was invisibly guided into the barriers, but continued after a quick 360, into a brief squabble with a Nigel, and a Fabio.  I emerged, a surprised 3rd overall. :D

With the leaders long gone, I had only Irishman Jonny'O, closing.  It required just one mistake to let him through, so I obliged.  It was then just a matter of pounding out the laps, to the finish line, which I did at the gallop.

Jonny'O - good race!  Your practice laps are fast, but your race starts are slow. You will make trouble for everyone, until you can fix this.

Bravo Karliss - you have discovered the best way to avoid trouble with other drivers, is to stay ahead of them!  I must try that sometime. ;)  

My apologies to Cookie .I was all on the left,thinking that this was enough to give you track but was not so.The problem is also due to the lack of side view (in any game) and also to main only advantage:the breaking.If i look any race with the replay analizer only during the brake a gain something against other ;D.I have not slowed my speed ,becouse i was after an overtaking.
I hope to not have infuenced your final position.

I just learnt the track on the 30' of qualify: I just tried first just half an hour before the race, only to find that the default setup is really bad...
In the chat nobody has a reliable setup to share so I start the qualify with a setup from another english track...
I ran few laps with few fuel on tank then I filled up to race tank, but, unfortunately, I didn't calculated the right quantity.
Set a mid/back field time, at the green flag I discovered that first gear was sooo good for a rocket start and, also because of the disaster after the first turn, I found myself on 4th place!!
Then I lost place by place during the race but it was fine until it lasted: I remember some good fun chasing Martin, then Jason and last but not least Nigel, that also set the FL!!
I wrote that I didn't calculate the right fuel quantity: I raced the last lap with a coughing engine that mute itself after last turn: luckily the finish line is not so far from the turn so I kept my 9th final place only with 4/10 in front of Norbert!!
Great fun indeed.
Grats to the winner, the podium, everybody raced an to the race organization!
Long Live UKGPL!

Ran out of fuel? LOL I went the other way and 5 gallons left at the end!!!

indeed. i figured this out before last season's Adelaide race, but i must say its quite difficult way how to avoid errors
anyway it does not make me bether in close racing, but i prefer  this one as long i will be able :)

Sorry Martin, I can't fully agree...

This works only until you have to pass backmarkers that are blind on blue flags ;D

Going through backmarkers is often a lottery, passing skills or not.

actualy with backmarkers things is not so difficult.
in other leagues where i raced, we discussed before next race, where is a safest places on tracks, or sometimes one place, where backmarker can let you pass without risk for himself.
backmarkers dont race so low because they have joy of ruining others race, but shit happens (especialy for me when i get laped)
that you see a pasing car far behind in mirror, and you have idea where to let him pass without ruining your race. But problem is, laping car wants lap you earlier, in place where you can cause accident, because you dont know how to react fast and how to control car in that place when you out of rutine trajectory. Also i dont think that backmarker must lowdown car for 50% on short stright as soon he see blue flag.
so in silvestone i think are two main straights where backmarker can easy let you pass without loosing race for himself. And fast car i believe can do half a lap 2sec slower.
(oh man, i must remember that !!)

I don't approve that passing backmarkers should happen only in pre-designated spots. It's all down to common sense and awareness, not trained behaviour. You just treat each situation separately and do your best.

What I hate the most when passing backmarkers is when they see me in their mirrors and initiate a move first, especially on a straight or before a corner, and especially if the move is done when I've already committed to overtake them. It ends up with me taking evasive action and the backmarker losing unnecessary amount of time, at least.

It's almost like some people, when they see a faster car in their mirror (or Pribluda, which is worse) approaching, they act as if they're afraid the car behind is going to hit them if they don't slow down and move off the line. They're afraid of having a car following them close and if that happens, they often panic and make mistakes. Some of it is down to lack of experience, but I think there's a lot more to it.

It depends on who is passing you H - some fast boys will go off line and zoom past whilst you hold your racing line others will just plough through you and punt you off. Sometimes though as a backmarker I just don't have the skill to hold the corner properly. A really good example would be the Lesmo at Monza - that is a real struggle to get through fast for me and I am likely to be a bit haphazard about where my line goes. As you say - each situation has to be treated on its merits but the backmarkers do not move around to make life difficult for the lappers...

Gotta stick my pennys worth in here. The real problem for me is when the backmarker knows they are being lapped but insists on racing/contesting the following corner after being passed, why???

...and then there is a backmarker, fights each corner, takes the middle of the straight, passes others that would let you pass because of blue flags and finally crash into your car...

I had this with same driver several times, so my adrenalin raises if I have to overtake him 8)

Cooki stop here,i already make my excuses and if you look the replay i was  totally on the left  to give you road. If you check the replay is your car that crash on mine.BTW is not the case to create controversy for a game.

That is an issue as well, yes, and I experienced it in the last Brands GT race. I think it's partially down to backmarkers being involving in a battle with someone else and not realizing you're someone who's lapping them, or they just don't see you on time and drive as if you're not there. Rarely though it's the case of someone playing dirty and making it difficult.

Another issue is when a couple of cars are running close to each other and they have to pass a backmarker. The backmarker moves over to let one car by, then moves back onto the line and either blocks the other cars or hits them. I urge people to rely less on Pribluda and more on car sounds and visuals (mirrors, side view buttons, front view).


You're not creating a controversy, it's just a topic that may need a little bit of discussion and I think it's a healthy one, for all of us. As for the "game" argument, I resent it because in the end we all spend time and energy on this, and nobody likes to waste either because of outcomes that can be prevented. Whether it's a game or not, or whether you take it seriously or not, that does not matter - the idea is to take it seriously in respect to others who choose to take it seriously.

I get nervous when Im being lapped! I'm so desparate not to trip up the race leaders that I tend to pull off line and back right off.. usually by the time I'm being lapped I'm that far behind anyone else that my own race is no longer that important!

IMO there's more risk at tripping up race leaders if you suddenly move over and slow down than if you keep up the pace and stay on the line - you would at least be predictable in the latter case. It's so disturbing to try and guess whether a backmarker is going to do what you described or stay on the line and keep up the pace.

Recently I started pulling to the side very early on when approaching a backmarker, just to make sure they see me in the mirror and not throw the anchor all of a sudden, but then if it happens to be a backmarker who does not ease off, it costs me time, so in the end it's quite a gamble. And then there are some people who move to the side, despite you being already there going for a pass. Then it gets hairy...

Oh dear - may be feeling guilty here but at least we stop you being bored... :)

Sorry Francesco if you take it this way.
We met in several races cause we both seem to love the GTs and I know you did a great job for us!
I am a novice with not so much experience in online-racing as you have.
All I can remember is that I lost in all our encounters!

Yes I do love close racing and don't give up a position easy, but if someone is clearly faster I try to give him the space he needs.
Just had this situation with Raoni in Porsches tonight, he passed me in Stirlings Bent!

My greatest fun I had in a race was with 2 ChapsF side by side through the chicanes of Monza 1000 without touching each other!
I love to win a fair fight and I don't suffer when I lose it!

Sorry Hristo for the trouble I made in the GTs but my car was much faster on straight ::)

Cheers
Axel

You have more experience than me in effect you are more fast.Also for me is the first year in online racing despite i play GPL from 1998.
Sorry again for the accident but keeping to the left i was convinced to give you road.Yesterday ,at Brand,i have suffered a similar accident with the Porsche of Vix due to the lack of lateral view.Is the game but also in the real raceis is not different.If you have seen Hamilton at St Devote ,in the last F1 race,one accident was similar.The only difference is that ,in the game ,if the 2 car are paired ,is impossible to see the other.(Unless you use a different FOV but is not advisble approaching  a curve)
BTW what is important is to have fun with GPL.

why someone have RED Ppoints as me, but someone BLACK Ppoint in overall standings?

Francesco, it's not really necessary to see the other car when you're running side by side. With time, you can learn to distinguish how close the other car is by listening to the engine and tire sound, and just by your guts feeling, and also by taking into account the speed and direction the other car was travelling at in the last moment you saw it in your mirrors or by using your side view (left/right) buttons. You can definitely train and develop this awareness, it's not so much of a talent. You can try doing it with the AI, but keep in mind to add some more space online due to connection latency and thus car warp.

The endangered species of the bad boys!

Maybe the colors rise with the penalty points...

This made me reading the rules again carefully!

Gratz Karliss for your Glen victory!

Cheers
Axel

If i use this button the accident is sure!Is enough,for me ,to lose a bit of concentration and the crash is done.

Yes, I don't mean that you should use the left/right view buttons while racing someone closely side by side, but that if you used the buttons previous to that (i.e. on a straight before a corner), you can subsequently predict where the other car is going to be.

I often use the "glance" buttons and I can confirm its saved me from hitting another car on 2 or 3 occasions without ever causing me to crash.

I will try to follow your suggestion but explain me in wich way you are,and not only you for me, so fast.
Use you the sequential gear?or there is another secret?

His cars have extra large mirrors, so he can fit more cars in them. :(

Having eight arms must really help and his second head means he can look forwards and backwards at the same time ;D

I guess 11 years of GPL helps more than anything else.  ;D

As "playing" GPL since 1998, I can say I learned more in the last 5 month online racing than the dozen of years before!
Those AIs are so easy to handle, as they are fully predictable...

Yes, of course it depends on how you learn things and in what environment you learn them. I've been spending most of those years running in highly competitive leagues and doing my best to learn setups, lines, car control, car physics and working on my driving skills (first with joystick, then with wheel/pedals), so it's an ongoing process, even today. The most difficult thing is when you pick bad habits and you need to get rid of them. I find that a lot harder than learning new habits. I can guarantee you that the majority of drivers who struggle do so because of bad habits more than anything else.

Race Mod Published.

in my replay i have only one corner cutting at 30:27
first and second episodes, my rear left wheel stays (or one wheel of car allways stays) ON WHITE LINE.
by my understanding shortcut is when all wheels are OUTSIDE white line  completly. like in ice hockey - goal is counted when puck 100% pass line.
white line as i know IS TRACK, not OUTSIDE TRACK.

but whatever.

I'm sure Mike will clarify this but I think the rule is that two wheels need to be on track (white line or not) at all times. Great win by the way!

It's possible the server shows slightly different lines, which is similar to what causes warp I guess, but some incidents were more obvious than others with all 4 wheels off track, and none were punished.

I didn't think it had been done to gain an advantage either.

Hm, that's a very good point - client replays should be used to check for corner cutting, not server side. Perhaps if there's suspicion of repeatable cutting you could ask for the driver's client replay and only use the server replay if they can't provide that.

now is clear.
cos i asked just because was confused about "what is shortcut"
but warp is ok.
atleast now i can understand how big distance is warp :)

For me not understandable! This was a lapping situation!
After following Fran close minimum half a lap, he gave me a little chance to overtake, still covering the inside of the corner ::)

Please clarify: how much time has a driver to react on blue flags?

I'm usually pissed off if they don't react within a corner.  :D

Not sure anything is set in the virtual world but in real life I believe if the driver/rider doesn't yield after the 3rd blue flag they normally face some sort of penalty.

Very difficult (if not impossible) to give a definitive answer as on another circuit in a different section it would be a different example, but as Steve says, you have 4 blue flags before you are being naughty.

That said, this is GPL, and you can not be sure of when the flags will appear, they are not always 100% accurate. We;ve all gone past crashed cars without having seen a yellow flag for example.

All drivers on circuit are entitled to their own race, even the guy at the back, but having said that they should be understanding of the people lapping them but they do not have to dive out of the way. As Hristo has said in the past, he would prefer a car being lapped to stay on the racing line as he will know where they are and will be able to pass them by going offline himself. Personally when being lapped I try to make my intentions clear as early as possible and will give the lapper the racing line on a straight and lift a little to help them, but it really does depend on what circuit, and what part of the circuit it happens on.

As others have said (Bernie I think) anyone quick enough to catch and lap you will find a way past but it would be nice to be given a little help.

The other problem (especially in Novices) is that people newer to online racing may not be using Pribluda and may not know who is behind them and whether it is a pass for position or not.

One thing I must stress (and I'm not accusing you of it) is that no matter how frustrated a driver gets behind a backmarker, they do not have the right to be aggressive, and in this instance, if that's what you had done, you were on the outside and would always come off worst, particularly in online GPL where we have warp.

i had this in Monaco, when i hit car in front of me, i was 100% shure i am laping  backmarker who don't gave me a room. I also had Pribluda but no help from it at all, cos all info was jumping, and you can only crash while trying to understand something.

Don't rely on Pribluda... it's evil!

Fran knew I wanted lap him!

I was very carefull and did no agressive attempt!
I took the only invitation Fran gave me cause his Ferrari was faster on the straights, he lowered his speed but stayed inside the coming corner!

So if I understand right this an invitation to any backmarker not to let a lapper pass clean, cause there are no penalties!
There must be rules!!!

Some drivers assume all experienced on-liners, habitually use Pribluda.  This is not the case, nor is it realistic.

Blue flags are realistic, but the rules applied to their use, have changed.  During our era, a blue flag was used to indicate a lapping car wishing to pass.  Nothing more.  The guidelines to work within, were common sense, and the threat of death.  Racing on-line, we have only the first of these two, to work with.  There are moments when this can seem unfortunate. :(   

It went down as a Racing Incident but that doesn't mean you can't appeal Axel.

It seems to me Axel is more concerned with nothing being doing about Fran holding him up for a while rather than the incident itself. It's a valid concern, although I haven't seen the replay.

If he stays inside and gives you the outside which is what happened here, that is fine and you had half the track to use but you hit him on his half by going a little too tight, and you're right, you weren't aggressive which is why I said earlier I wasn't accusing you of it.

Perhaps he could have helped you more on the straights.


I assume that is a post in frustration as we obviously have rules but if you would like to appeal as Vosbold says, you are free to do so and I am not a part of the appeal process.

Thats it! Thanx Hristo

IMO Fran must have got the first blue flags at ~ 0:31:17, the incident happened 0:33:21....

As always, it's best not to get drawn into a debate here and I would need to revisit the replay before I did, but as an appeal looks likely I shouldn't comment any further at this stage.

What makes me sad is, that in moderation I seem to be the bad guy!
Fran isn't even mentioned or criticised for his behaviour.

Just sit in my car from  ~ 0:31:17 to 0:33:21 in the replay...


PS I do not know what an official appeal is and how to do!

Well, the moderation mentions that no incidents were reported, so if you were so annoyed you should have submitted it. As the moderator I am looking for collisions etc, and when I see one I will go back a little and watch it build up.

I am unlikely to go back 2 minutes or so for every incident or I would still be modding incidents from Season 18. I have not watched the whole build up you mentioned which is why you might be well advised to appeal, but you really should have submitted it initially.


Just send Vosblod a PM about it and that starts the process where he looks at the incident with an advisor (Evil Clive).

Now, I really shouldn't comment further. ;)

Sorry Mike
 but I am a real novice and naively thought that in this series every incident is under moderation and there is no need of extra report.
In my first post after the race I mentioned what has happened. So I thought this would be enough to make you look for it.
I don't want to criticize Your moderation, which I learned in other cases is excellent.
If this are the rules, I have to accept them or leave.

I want to stop this here and now, as its going to make me loose my fun in racing! 

Greets

Axel, even if every accident was being moderated, you can't expect the moderator to watch the whole race repeatedly from everyone's camera. There's no way of knowing a situation like this began to unfold more than a lap earlier, so the only part of the replay that gets observed is that of the incident itself, within (let's say) 10 seconds before and after it happened.

but how then moderator know on what lap i did shortcut? i was far away from anyone, so do someone reported or saw this?
i believe my race is watched completley.

@Axel- If you want to leave it there that is your choice and we can all move on. No problem. Even though the whole race is moderated, it is possible that I will miss something, so if you want an incident looked at, you should submit to be sure I will look at it.

@Hristo- Thanks, that is correct, unless I have an obvious reason to go a long way back I will go back a few corners or seconds and watch from there until just after the incident where the cars recover to the track.

@Karliss- No need to be paranoid, nobody reported you, there are a few ways I spot incidents and I saw you cut the corner once, so naturally I watched a few laps to see if it was a mistake or your usual line. When I saw you do it again I watched your every lap at that corner. I did the same with PMaestro who also cut it a few times.

Appealing for a cut is easily done - just send your client replay and it will show exactly where your wheels went over the track, without warp.