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Practice: 19:25 (UK London) (60 mins)
Qual 2: 20:25 (15 mins)
Race: 20:40 (19 laps)
Cars allowed: Ferrari 275 GTB (excluding special), Corvette Z06 (including #5)

Track: Jerez 1988 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54900#post_jerez)
Time of Day Setting: 13:00
Weather: Dry
Start: Standing

Tyre wear: 1X
Fuel consumption: 1X
Pit-stops: None required

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Championship Standings (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=313&theme=34)

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Not a track that you can learn in five minutes.

Come to think of it; I've just proven that I can't learn it in thirty minutes either!

Can you enable start countdown like the one in GTL? I usually watch the lights and then get overwhelmed at the start (which could even be considered dangerous for those starting behind me).

Don't think GTR2 has a countdown Syd  :(

If you have the time it is usually worth doing an AI race as part of your race preparations, just to see what the lights are going to do.

Sadly I hardly ever get the time.

Two sterling cars (even the Tank Z06 is nice :o ;)), great great track too!
Thoroughly enjoyed this in the GTR2 F1'88 race the other week, so have high hopes for this one too 8)

Yeah ... nice track indeed. Personally I like the fact, that it's a very 'forgiving' track, in the sense that leaving the tarmac doesn't automaticly imply hitting someting very hard   :P

Enzo was a pupil at Alfa Romeo before he started producing cars for himself. He must have picked up something, so Ferrai is bound to be my choice........... when the real thing is not available  ;)

Stig

should be able to make this, good to see a euro gt car to race with at last! Been putting off with revent events trying to lumber a monster around tight turns. Though still wish we were using more of a car spread in events than 1 or 2 cars.

I've raced with a number of different leagues in PnG and I am yet to find a group of drivers who are skilled enough to cope with a wide spread of cars without clattering into each other!

This combination will provide enough mid-corner collisions when the Ferrari drivers expect to follow the Vette into a corner, half way up its tail pipes, and will then be full of apologies when they knock the poor bugger off at mid-corner. 

ever the optimist Clive !  :laugh:...your a glass half empty person aren't you  ;)  Ive enjoyed plenty of races in GTL & P&G with a varied car range and no problems. All races from this vintage era ran with varied cars.

LOL

I enjoy PnG.  When it is good it is very, very good.  But when it is bad it is horrid!

The poor field of view that we have makes racing between cars of mixed performance very difficult.

If one looks at the longevity of GPL I think that you have to put most of its success down to the fact that it only seeks to race cars of similar performance and this results in very good on-line racing.  With all the developments, addons and sexy bits, one of the best fun races is still to run a 67 Cooper Spec Race at Monza 67 in GPL.  The graphics are appalling compared to PnG but the racing is still as good as anything you can get.

Because the GPL car performances are all close there is a well developed code of practice to promote good racing but in PnG, when the point of "turn in/commitment" on a corner can vary by say 10m between cars, this becomes difficult to apply.  In fact, I haven't even seen anyone try.

Ah well, fingers crossed.

I might be safe anyway because the Ferrari looks quicker and easier to drive than the Vette, so perhaps we will all be in the Ferrari.  But the Vette will own the straights.

oh i agree that huge variances can cause problems but still dont see why we dont run more 'class' races, ie GT over 2L class etc so that there is a nice mix of cars that race well together on track, as opposed to just 1 or 2 cars to choose.  :-\

I would certainly appreciate a "softer" option in some races. Maybe one class for the experts and another for the more "casual" driver?

Yes, good idea - particularly us Horlicks drinkers.  ::) :oops:

Softer option for Horlicks drivers?
Do you have anything in mind that would be a sensible match Bill?
(As in not faster, but easier to drive)

Tony knows better than most how very difficult it is to match cars at any given track.
You can spend many hours, and I mean "hours" testing, or you can throw a bunch of
cars at it and let people work it out. The second option has historically produced
the most complaints about not enough time to test the track and the cars.

You can't please all the people all the time, so there is no point trying, we can
only do our best to find something that will give a decent race for most if not all.
For me the track is a cracker, we used it recently in the F1 '88 series so many will
know it already. The cars are a good choice. I will put a link up to a couple of
relatively stable setups that might make things more enjoyable.

I think Bill & Tony were referring to other races needing a softer option, not this one mate. There are fees cars easier to drive than the F275 8) Happy days.

Yes that's what I meant. Sorry if I  wound you up phspok, it was intended as a general PnG comment Have setups for both cars and have actually got sightly modified default setup for Special which is the best of the lot.

Ditto here also.

IMO a choice would be great when the only car available is one that takes a) loads of praccy and setup knowledge, b) more than average skill to drive around a circuit quickly. Those circumstances, I think, can be a turnoff to a few potential attendees. So Bill and I were saying that in those circumstances, another car could be provided. Not necessarily to match the performance of the first choice but something that the more "corner challenged" driver could take and still enjoy the same circuit/evening as the rest.

Fair enough.  8)

Not wound up, just keen to understand what works for others.

I remember the first race I ever did with UKGTL, was an RSR spec race at, I think, Brands..
maybe Ginsters was running it then? or maybe Psuedo? not sure.
Is very hard to find a match for the RSR, other cars are either way too fast or way too slow.
Did I ever mention I'm not a fan of sim porkas? not sure I ever did  ;D
Was fun all the same, had some setup help from Phil Gil though I think I made a greyling of the race.

One of the Headline series planned for UKGTL Season 12 will be doing just that. (possibly  ::))

Anyway that wasn't what I came here to say, got sidetracked.

I've had hardly any practise here and it looks like a tough track to learn too  :(

I was going to get on early tonight and try to get the hang of it. However I've just found that my number plate is hanging of the front of my car so it's off the Halfords after work tonight to get that put right. This will eat into my praccy time.

Long story short, Don't bank on me turning left at right handers and vice versa.

Yep
I still go to the wrong side of the road approaching some turns, and I ran here in the F1 '88 event.
Do a quick AI race and follow them for a few laps, can't not turn up! that would be jolly bad form  :o
Don;t understand why the L72 keeps being selectable even though I have dissallowed it on the server?

Seems strange wrestling these cars around here after flying round in the F1 cars. The fezza is bad enough, but the vette just seems to want to understeer into the gravel on every corner. I'll be getting some practise in later but I expect to be well off the pace for this.

Cant do this one :( sat here looking at a very busted G25 (with a few miles on the clock)  ;) waiting for a new G27 to arrive  ;D  hope to be back on track by the weekend.

  :)  Here are some of my close encounters Grid 3 Race 1, 25th June 2011 Simjunkies Le Mans 24 Hour.

I finished P2 in this race and P5 Overall the 1.45am Sunday in the dark was particularly grueling but lots of atmosphere. We must get a full team next year for this event.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZW9_oGlEy0

Curious. how is it busted?
I snapped the steering wheel itself on my G25  being rough with it
But I glued it back together with araldite and big long
nails as reinforcements inside the tubes.

Lost force feedback and steering input so it looks like the sensor is goosed, I took it to bits and the motor with the sensor on it is a bit stiff and the main bearing housing is all cracked.

Once again too late back at home - only 3 laps of practice during the whole week. 

Yesterday problems to log on - but fortunately I was able to solve it.

So this one without me.

Have fun guys - see you next time.

Another missed race!  :(

PC froze during qually (hope you missed my car Legzy!), had to reboot, then couldn't get on the net, had to reboot again, eventually got sorted but too late to make the race.

Had nothing but problems since I came back from holiday, I think the PC got lonely & is sulking!  ::)

I was absolute rubbish, could hardly go around a single corner without going off and each time got a fishtail into the opposite barrier or backwards into the nearest barrier.  So many bits were flying off decided to call it a day as the handling got worse with each off.

PS My Win 7 updates are messing my computer - each time I get an update, one won't install and is still there everytime I switch off.

My story is a bit like Bill's  . Could get it around corners but due to limited practice time I made way too much errors.
As there was no one to race with (Bill quit earlier) I decided to stop .

Hope the rest had a fun race.

 :) Great race guys. I just pushed to hard to soon, just a few more laps at the end and I think I could have got P2 back........but then again who knows!!!  ;)

I found it easier to be too slow on entry, man handle the car around the turn, trying to glimpse the apex if poss then flooring it.

Sounds like you have to do the installs in a certain order Bill Thomas now. Do you have auto install set to on?

Entertaining first 20mins as I managed to just about keep on the tails of Mark C, Matt & Miguel. But then made 3 bad mistakes in 2/3 laps & I was only own to the end.

Congrats podium, great drive Clive.

Results and Replay in usual places
Great race, surprised to be competitive, in practice I was faster in the White whale
was a shame to spoil the perfect order of Italian cars so took the 275 and went
faster and faster, Took the harder tyres which payed off in the second half
Had some door to door paint trading with Mark, then got too close out of a corner
and nudged him gently into a spin, waited and off we went again, this time
got past, and then slowly crept up behind Miguel De Rat, followed politely
for a few, got on the grass and caught up again, seemed i could brake a bit later into
the tight right at the bottom of the hill after the chicane so put it up the inside
a bit physical, but no damage I could sense, and managed to keep in to the end
Clive's early pace waned as his tyres went off big time, and I got dangerously close
to catching him. Good race.

 :o Oh forgot to say...........Got a shitie start because I could not see the lights. So sat in P1 waiting for some one to go so I didn't jump start.  ::) Must remember to start on what ever side the lights are on in future. You would think they could have carried the 3.2.1 GO over from GTL......Very frustrating.  ::)

Sorry to whom ever was in P3 as I didn't move at the start.  :-\

Was way off pace in the 275GTB and even moreso in the Z06 but I thought I'd have more fun in the vette the audio cranked to enjoy that V8 growl.

I used default with lowered pressures and a bit more caster, but still it would be more use down my local canal than on a race track. I really hope PnG3 has a major rethink on physics because these cars are a joke imho.

Anyway, had a reasonably non eventful race after the first few laps with a gap behind and a big gap in front  :sleep1:

Congrats to Clive and pody.

I definitely remember being in the vette  :laugh:
I tested the track for the F1 race and it was ok for me, but of course that would have been from an open wheel cockpit. I always use the HUD to watch the countdown if I can't see the lights  ;)

Really didn't expect much from this race but it turned out to be rather good fun.

I turned up as early as poss so that I could setup the car and learn the track. First thing I discovered was that the Ferrari had an aversion to going around corners and understeered like crazy. Tried everthing to get the beast to behave but in the end realised that only a slow entry speed would make the turns drama free. I also discover that the softest tyre wouldn't last the distance so used them for qually but changed to the hard for the race.
Had a lovely ding-dong with Syd for nearly all of the race. He had (I suspect) a shorter gearing to me and was leaving me for dead on every turn exit. I would then catch and outbrake at the next turn. This continued for many, many laps. Syd must have chosen a softer tyre compound because his car seemed to handle worse the more the race progressed. In the end I was robbed of a racing overtake as Syd's luck ran out and a brush with a kerb sent him into a long spin down the track. I had nothing to do for the remainder of the race but keep the distance between him and me consistent. I had no hope of catching GT in the yank tank as we seemed to have the same pace.
Yeah, enjoyed that one a lot.

Thanks for the congratulations.  An unexpected win but like they say, it’s not how it’s how many.

I’ll take it.   ;D

With two weeks to practice, SBRC was able to sort out quite a nice Ferrari setup, having started with a Stig car that we then modified.

I had established early in my track learning phase the limit of how fast I could go in the Z06 and the Ferrari was so much easier to drive that there was no competition on car choice.

I did all my practice about a week ago and had got bored with nobody to race.  I had also done a practice AI race on x4 tyre and fuel which showed that I could get to the end on the soft tyres.  So bored that I did a GPL GT race on Wednesday night instead of more practice at Jerez.   ::)

Then disaster!  Right at the end of practice I had a screen freeze that needed a reset.  I managed to reboot and re-entered the race, with about twelve minutes of qually on the clock, only to find that my steering wheel and pedals were behaving very strangely.  So, back out to Windows and this time around all was well.  :sweatdrop:

Half of qually was now gone but I managed a fast enough lap to claim 2nd on the grid.  This proved to be a benefit as I could see the lights, although they took some finding.

At the start I made use of my soft tyres to go as fast as I could whilst the rest fought amongst themselves.  Mark held on to me at first but then made a mistake that let me get away by the tune of 14 seconds or so.  Even after my tyres were shot, I was still able to keep the gap at a safe figure of around 10 seconds.

But then I messed up the last long left and suddenly the three of them, Matt, Miguel and Mark were only six seconds away.

Eeeeeek!

Looking at the replay, I don’t think that their tyres were much better than mine and I was able to stay in front to the line.

Phew!  Had me sweating there!

SBRC will be working on its 911 as of tonight.  Should have a TT lap available by Saturday.

Great race .. .. a pity so few turned up. I guess we're in the holiday season now.

Just like Clive, I started practicing early, and like him, I also got a bit bored with it. I should have stayed at it though, 'cause at some point I was able to do 2.07.500 laps on low fuel and soft tyres. I honestly expected people like Ade and Mark to get below 2.07. On race day however, I couldn't get the right rhythm back, but I had some nice duels at the start of the race, and at least I managed to complete the race. I plan to make that a habit  ;D ;D

Stig