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Practice: 19:25 (UK London) (60 mins)
Qual 2: 20:25 (15 mins)
Race: 20:40 (17 laps)
Cars allowed: Shelby Cobra 427, Corvette L88, GT40 MkI (excluding gulf)

Track: Istanbul (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54900#post_istanbul)
Time of Day Setting: 13:00
Weather: Dry
Start: Standing

Tyre wear: 1X
Fuel consumption: 1X
Pit-stops: None required

Server: simracing.org.uk - P&G
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Championship Standings (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=313&theme=34)

Notes:
(1) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(2) Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.uk Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=7) especially the rules about in-game chat messages.
(3) You will need to install Power and Glory v2 from here (http://www.gtlw.co.uk/), 2.1 patch from here (http://www.gtlw.co.uk/) and enable terrain patch.
(4) P&G has no 'Pit Speed Limiter' function. You may go as fast as you like in the pits, but please exercise caution. Penalties will be handed out for causing contact in the pit lane. Use your best judgement when making your pitstop during the race.

Many thanks to Phspok for helping to organize this event.

Recently raced here at nogrip. It's a great circuit.

And some proper cars too!!

Great final round.

Hope Mike can actually make one round.

PS  A download link would be nice.  :whistling:

Must be this one http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=10227

Thanks Tony. I was looking for that.

Mike, for the Corvette....are both coupe and roadster to be used for this event?

Good track, dissapointingly non-existent car "choice". Will give this a miss.

Due to my works shifts, I can only race every other week. It feels like 2/3 of ukpng races have been purely muscle car races (I could be wrong, but it's how it feels to me) over the last 6-9 months. I'm getting to the point where I wish png & gtl would swap weeks (despite thinking png offers more). Either that or just forgetting it altogether & taking up iRacing instead (which does not fill me with excitement as a sim).
I mean, how did we get from two png/gtl races each every fortnight, to just one png & now three gtl? Do we just not give a stuff about png here anymore? :-\

Sorry if it feels like I'm having a go, I just look forward to events & I'm frustrated. I'm sure you're frustrated too Mike. It must be a pain organising this series, rarely getting to drive in it & somebody moaning about the car/track every time.

I think the simple answer is time.
Mike is busy working a lot these days, I am not around as much as I used to be at the moment.
Tony fortunately seems to have the time and the will to put on lots of events.
I was never in favour of the bi-weekly events in the first place but am sticking to the plan.

I know mate, it's difficult. A good event/series doesn't create itself, it does take up a bit of time. It's all part of why I gave up looking after PnG/GTR2, I just felt I couldn't do it justice any-more once we'd had the kids.

At home next week at least Monday and Thursday so should be able to do this one
No idea about cars yet, they all look interesting. I tend to go for the L88 over the cobra
as I don't usually like Cobras, and the MK1 might be good, but will be a slow in the turns

Off to Blackpool for lights this weekend so won't get time to practice for this event.  Cars a bit hairy for me anyway. 

Sorry I haven't been around guys. Work really has me in a choak hold lately. I'm working more and more in the city. Like Tony said, I hope I can make it to at least one of the events Matt and I planned.

All L88 Corvettes are on offer, but the Penske coupes are the clear choices to compete against the Cobra.

I've got an installer made. I'll upload it now.

Hard luck!

I'm off to Harewood Saturday, and will be lurking round Southport again the rest of the weekend
You can wave to Clive and I as you sample the delights of Southport's fine pier before wandering
up to the attrocity that is Lancashire's answer to Vegas  :laugh:

Small world, but I keep going to the Shell garage in Hesketh Bank as it's the nearest source
of Optimax (or whatever they call it now) for my racey car
Watch for a noisy little black 106 spoiling the rural peace and quiet :o

When might you be in Hesketh Bank then Matt?

I'll put the kettle on.

Very strange. Spent most of this afternoon preparing for the weeks racing. Really enjoyed throwing the Alfa Romeo T33-3 around this track in GTL. Flat out through turn 11 is breathtaking. Then tried the same thing with the GT40 in P&G. Oh dear  :o . Not at all what I was expecting. Obviously due the better physics, tyre modelling etc  ;) :angel: you now have to take a very pedestrian route around this circuit. For me it proves yet again that what claims to be a better (more accurate sim) just get's in the way of plain old fun.

Doubt I'll bother with this one as, like at that the Jop Siffert circuit earlier in the season, the cars have sucked every last bit of driving va-va-voom from the place. How sad.

That's sad to hear Tony.

I like the challenge but I appreciate that many do not.

The flip side was that I got bored out of my brain practicing for the Cadwell race because the cars were so gutless.  At least these cars will provide me with two weeks of entertainment.

I don't water down my PnG.  I take it neat!   ;D

EDIT:  You could always join SBRC and gain access to our setup and TT lap exchanges.   ;D

I don't think he's that desperate yet Clive :-*

Worth a try.  Just trying to help.

To try to be serious for a minute, I have found PnG very difficult to learn.  Unlike GPL where there are thousands of laps and setups; the analyser to look at them with and also GPLRank to see how you stand in the scheme of things; there is naff all!

Also, there is no community worth talking about or enough races in which to practice.

It isn't difficult to see why GPL has endured for so long.

Nobody else has come close to the complete package since!

I love this circuit, in which I organized a race with the 289 Coupè vs Elan (The "glorious" Manzilli trophy ;D).

Unfortunately even this time I guess that I won't have time to practice... but it's the last race of the season, and I don't want to miss it... Probably I could be able to do some laps late in the night, who knows :-\. Knowing your proverbial precision, I hope to find the server in lobby after the usual Monday GTL race  :)

SRBCs, do you have any suggestion about the fastest car in this circuit... or a laptime to aim for?  :P

Cu  ;)

The Cobra seems to be the faster car here, and my sick fast fellow-buttoms are doing 2.10.xx' and 2.12.xx laps in it. Actually John is using your very good setup, so no need to work on that  ;D .

I find the Cobra extremely 'touchy', and can't do better than 2.13.990. My average laptime will probably be more like 2.18  >:(


Stig

Thank you for the useful infos Stig :)
I got home just few mins ago now I'm a bit tired at the moment, but I guess to have some chance of practice tomorrow in the late hour or in the worse case I will practice half-hour before the race... let's see what happens.
Actually I think I should puncture your tyres to have a chance to compete  :D :D They seem damn fast latimes, but the hope is the last one to die ;)

Thanks again mate. Cu :)

Hardly worth the rest of us turning up  :( Couldn't better 2.17 in the Corvette last night.  ???

Hop into the Cobra and have a go at it Geoffers. Try to shortshift more than you would otherwise, and put an egg between your right foot and the gas-pedal -- it might be worth the effort. I also prefer the 'vette but couldn't do better than 2.18. in it.

I wonder if the Cobras are really this hard to drive IRL. Has any of you guys tried a Cobra IRL ?

Actually I think all the cars behave strange on this track. Something seems to be wrong with simulation in the tight corners, 'cause even these 'muscle before handling' cars shoud be fairly easy to drive through a corner at 60 km/h . . . . . but they are not.

Stig

"Might" be doing the fuel run sometime week after next, I'll shout if I am.
Not turned a wheel here in anthing recently, was hoping to do last night's
GTL and get some prac in here, but I had to do "PC repair man" for my kids
I will be there Thurs in something....

I think it's unlikely that a track would produce the lairy turning of some of the cars in P&G. It's those advanced physics I tell ye

RE:  427 Cobra
Never driven one for real but with that much power going to the rear wheels and the damn great engine perched over the front axle I wouldn't expect to floor the throttle in the lower two gears without some lively action with the steering wheel.

Interesting article from the time of its introduction
http://blog.caranddriver.com/from-the-cd-archives-shelby-cobra-427-road-test-nov-1965/


It is a difficult car to keep on the grey bit but who said it should be easy?
Still easier than anything in GPL 67 and getting this car to the end of the race with all its wheels on is an interesting challenge that I am looking forward to!

Not an original one, I've got a modern replica, a Dax, which supposedly has a better chassis & suspension & wider tyres than an original Cobra. It is quite easy to drive on the road (never tried it on a track), but it only has a mildly tuned 350 Chevy motor so isn't producing anywhere near the 500+ bhp of a 427 Cobra & probably not as much as an original 289.

Wow, you own a Dax Cobra ! I envie you Geoffers. Stand your colours mate, turn up in a Cobra thursday ;D The only vehicle with more than a 2 litre engine I drove on a regular basis was a 400 BHP turbo Volvo with 14 fwd gears and a coffee brewer.  ::)

After the atlantic series race I've done 10 laps in the UkP&G server with the Cobra and the setup you suggested me Stig ;)

At the moment, in race trim I wasn't able to do nothing under 2.14. but with some mistakes during the lap. I can surely do something better, but nothing near a 2.10... scary lap :o :o

Cu on thursday :)

Hmmh - I fear that I won't be competitive here once more.
But it seems to be fun to drive this track.

2.22 in the Cobra, 2.25 in the GT40 and no time in the Corvette cause I killed the engine
on braking turn 12  :)

One question: what are your force feedback adjustments?
I didn't really experiment with that thing  :-[

See you tomorrow on last place in starting grid  ;D

You'll be in good company Eifel, I've decided to take the GT40 and to hell with the consequences  ::)

I will also be in a GT40 however slow...

Slightly reducing the gap after another 20 laps spent to do some setup improvement... however nothing near a 2.10 yet with race fuel... I hope you were talking about empty tanks or offline laps Stig...
At the opposite... I'm done  ;D

Cu Later :)

About the force feedback, I turned it off completely on my G25 a while back. I found that I was faster after that and also get less tired in long races (that part seems obvious).

It wasn't me doing 2.10's it was of course Lightning John W   :laugh:. Unfortunately he might not be able to join the race tonight.

I have only been below 2.14 twice, so you'll probably end up front in the starting grid Manteos.

But who knows, maybe Mike turns up, and he's ALWAYS fast, no matter what car he's in.

Stig

Not much to say about that race except  :yawn:

Had a couple of laps battling with Tony, but after that I lost interest.

Congrats to John, Matteo & Clive, congrats to John on the championship & to SBRC on the teams title. :clap: :clap: :clap:

Right from the start I was stuck between Clive and Syd, very soon I had a 10 sec ( growing ) gap to both of them. I had absolutely nothing to do but to stay on the track . . . .  
So naturally I just HAD to do a couple of 360's to make the race more interesting. Syd and Matt passed me, and I had fun chasing Matt and passing him. I Almost catched up with Syd, and then blew it once more.

Congratulations to John for winning this race and the whole season, and to Captain Clive who got himself the silver medal for this season ... well done and much deserved  :thumbup1:

And of course congrats to SBRC ...... we are the champions guy :jumpjoy:s  ;)

BTW. Are ther any plans for a new race season ?

Stig

After I Joined the server I noticed that the SRBC guys had choice the 427 Archway skin, so I gave it a try... love at first sight :)

Honestly I didn't think I could have been able to do such a great lap in qualif... that encouraged me so much for the race.

Unfortunately my race was not up to my expectations, but at least I had some fun with John for the first time in this champ... Today's training surely helped me a bit ;)

During the first 2 laps me and John were really close, and we passed each other at least twice times, but at the first corner of the 3rd lap my "dreams of glory" were miserably off, and I have only to blame my idiocy... my car spun and I lost the contact with John definitively. I'm angry about this, cause I'm sure it would have been a cracking duel til the end. I was on a really good pace and I'll never forgive myself for that mistake. Stupid Manteos!

After the spin I focused my race to replace the gap to Clive, and after 2 or 3 laps I passed him, following to push as a devil to try a desperate comeback on John... obviously there was no chances to be succesful without an error by John, and in fact John did no mistakes as I expected. Cold comfort was my pace seemed to be even slightly faster than John's, but it was too late... literally in Italy we say that: "The omelette was done..."

At least for the first time in this champ I had the chance to compete for the victory, and this is a good sign, cause it means that I'm not as rusty yet :)

Many grats to John for the champ. I know him since the time of GC and he is a really consistent and fast driver. Very well deserved mate :)

Grats even to Clive for the second place :) You improved a lot your performance with a trainer like John ;)

Grats also to SRBC for the team champ!  :thumbup2: :thumbup2:

I hoped to be helpful for the Oldie's team, but this time there was nothing to do mates... Time to train was really short... I'll try again during the next champ :)

Thanx to the organizers for setting up the show  ;)
Cu :)

Still can't figure how the Cobra manages to outrace the GT40  ???

But I was going to drive the GT40 anyway just because I love the look and sound of that car. Pretty dull race actually once Geoffers had passed me.

Big thanks to Mike and Matt for the time spent creating another P&G series  :thumbup2:

BTW after the race I tried the same combo/track/no. laps on GTL. The result? GT40 takes the top five slots, then the Cobra, then the Corvette. Sanity returns.

In the hands of the AI in PnG the GT40Mk1 beats the 427 without exception.

Perhaps it's a question of us not knowing how to set the damn things up?

I tried the GT40 when I saw the speed of the AI but I couldn't get close to my Cobra times.

The Cobras have a lot of grunt coming out of the corners.

Perhaps if you ran a GT40 spec race then the great and the good would address themselves to sorting the setup.

As for this season, many congratulations to John and to SBRC.  Good team effort and many thanks for congratulations.

Some good speed from Manteos on Thursday, that's the closest anyone has got to John all season.  Shame you didn't join a decent team who could give you the support needed when sorting out cars at the last minute.  ;D

Loooking forward to the next one.

Good fun with Manteos for the first few laps, some really close racing there  :thumbup1: I was going to wait for longer, but Clive came round the corner and I don’t think Team Boss would be happy at my throwing away a potential SBRC win ;)

After Manteos’ spin I was going as fast as possible but he was keeping the pressure up and I was still losing a little ground each lap. Luckily for me, consistency won the day  ;D

Great team result as well, I’ve never really done the team thing before and it’s clear that it helps everyone, myself included, with the swapping of TTs, setups, etc. Thanks guys.

Thanks to Mike & Matt for organising – nice combination of cars & tracks, looking forward to the next season.


Yep, I was at the historic Spa six hours at the weekend and the front of the grid at the main endurance race was full of GT40s, followed by most of the Cobras, then the E-Types, etc. We had a good spot at the last chicane when it got dark and could see the cars accelerating down the straight towards La Source – shocking to see the speed difference between the GT40s vs everything else bar the Cobras.

I did try the GT40 here briefly, but I was so much slower in it than the other two that I didn’t really give it a proper go.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the Cobras that race in those classic races are 289 ones, not the 427 we used. However I'm sure IRL the GT40 was quicker than the 427 Cobra because it went around corners much better, something the P&G GT40 does not do, was lighter & more aerodynamic. I can't believe a pure racecar like the GT40 had limited things you could adjust like the one in P&G does, the Mk2 is the same. The few times I have tried it, I just couldn't dial out the chronic understeer that it suffers from with the limited adjustments that it has.

Ah, I see. In the programme entry list they were all down as ~4700cc, same as the GT40s. Is that the small one then?

Yeh, 289ci is 4.7 litre, 427ci is 7.0 litre. Those Americans always insisted on measuring their engines in cubic inches instead of cubic centimetres!  ::)