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Race 3 already and it's a trip to Italy. Will still heads the Works with Martin's two consecutive wins leaving Maddog the Topdog in the Privateers.

The Works will run on PRO Damage and Privateers will run on Intermediate Damage with the allowance of ONE shift-R reset. No Shift-Rs are allowed in practice unless authorized by the moderator. A Shift-R (fault or not) MUST be followed by a Stop & Go. A Shift-R for tyres/fuel is not allowed. Any driver taking more then ONE Shift-R OR failing to take a Stop & Go will be disqualified from the race result.

Race List = IGOR
Server(s);
Works = UKGPL_Gpg
IP address = 62.195.32.131
Privateers = UKGPL_T7_2
IP address = 62.149.202.168
Race date = 05-06-2011
Time = 21:00 UK time
Track = Torino 55
Variant = 67F1
Damage Model = Works; PRO / Privateers; INT
Qualifying time = 35 minutes. Don't start until 30 mins left on clock to allow everyone to join.
Race length = 50 minutes (laps 31)
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Driver lists can be found on the Works (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=302&theme=6) or Privateers (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=303&theme=6) championship standings pages.
The track can be downloaded from : http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=2903 (http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=2903)
Add-on’s available at : n/a

Please be in IGOR UKGPL chatroom by 8:50 pm UK Time

Reserve drivers should not join the server(s) until there are only 30 minutes of qualifying left. Please restrict chat to pit messages. Moderating will be by reported incidents only, however the moderators reserve the right to review any incident with a particular emphasis on lap one. The aim is to review the race the following weekend so incident reports should be submitted within five days of the race (ie the following Friday). We're hopeful most incidents can be resolved amicably and recommend a days deep breath with a replay review before posting. A sorry in the forum won't be taken as an automatic admission of guilt by the moderators. There will be FULL moderation of lap one regardless of whether you submit an incident report.
The Works will run on PRO Damage and Privateers will run on Intermediate Damage with the allowance of ONE shift-R reset. No Shift-Rs are allowed in practice unless authorized by the moderator. A Shift-R (fault or not) MUST be followed by a Stop & Go. A Shift-R for tyres/fuel is not allowed. Any driver taking more then ONE Shift-R OR failing to take a Stop & Go will be disqualified from the race result.

With the token system chassis strategy will be a factor. A driver must have sufficient tokens for the chassis he drives in the race.  Any driver who does not have sufficient tokens will be disqualified from the result and his tokens will be set to zero.

Chassis costs;
Lotus 20 / Eagle 17 / Ferrari 15 / Brabham 10 / Cooper 5 / Honda 3 / BRM 0

To see your current tokens hover your mouse over your total points on the Works (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=302&theme=6) or Privateers (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=303&theme=6) championship standings pages. Ten tokens will be added when you cross the start line.

There are two 67 Championships, namely Works and Privateers. The driver split will be;

WORKS drivers

Arf Arf Arf	Baab	Beefpie
Evil Clive	Fulvio Policardi	Tim FMG
Hristo Itchov	ivandjj	John Roberts
Rick Nauman	Sam B	Tom van O
Jethro W	Karliss (R)	Will Tway (R)

PRIVATEERS drivers

Bernie	Billy	Blito
Hannah	Fabio L	Mike T
Mike (miner)	Nigel Smith	Ronnie P
Ross N	Skymole 2173	Vosblod
Paul (Badblood) (R)	Steve Bird (R)	Happy Al (R)
PaulWBird (R)

67 Patch: The 1.3 Release of the 67mod can be used.

NOTE: Please ensure you join the correct server, due to the way we import if you start the race on the wrong server your result will not count.

REPLAYS
Privateers server replays will be posted in the usual place after the event. Works will now be posted at http://grandprix.xs4all.nl/ (http://grandprix.xs4all.nl/) . When downloading please check the timetable for other races and DO NOT download while another race is being run.


The Parco del Valentino was opened by the city of Turin in 1856. It’s situated on the left bank of the Po, stretching for over 30 hectares along the country’s longest river, and was Italy’s first public garden. On 7 July 1935 the first Gran Premio del Valentino was held on a circuit with its main straight outside the park itself, on the Corso Massimo d’Azeglio, with an up-and-down section alongside the park’s western boundary. Various races were held thereafter utilising different sections of the parks throughfares. The last GP hosted here was in March 1955. After this, with more purpose-built circuits being created and the number of non-championship races declining all through the fifties, time had run out for Valentino Park as a venue for motor racing of the highest calibre. Now, over half a century later, there is nothing to remind you of this noisy and exciting part of the park’s history.

Both T7 and GPG servers are set for 31 laps LONG race and online loose grid.
Ciao

Many thanks as usual Fulvio.

31 Laps might be a little ambitious - not yet done 2 without hitting hay bales, kerbs or assorted pieces of scenery.

Not even downloaded this track yet, so have no idea what to expect!!!, but Billy's description does not exactly fill me with confidence!!  :-\ Might have to get some laps in tomorrow...if I can escape domestic duties for a 10 minutes.

There's someone's lap on Youtube, track is not exactly as I remember it, but just as tricky:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyKiNe52OJs

 :helpsmilie: :eek:

Can't see my name on the Privateers list, am I ok to take part?

Diki

Yes, you are registered in the series and will see the password when it is revealed.

However, it is considered bad manners to finish ahead of anybody else in your first race

Apologies, you are registered but I forgot to add you to the list on the race thread. Now corrected.

The track H posted in the vid is torino55, but we are racing turin55. There isn't much difference between the two, one or two corners have been altered but in any case any practice done at torino55 will come in handy at turin55 too.

It's a Monaco type event so I expect to see another Monaco type attrition rate :) .

Tommie.

Yes, it is very tricky as some of the braking zones are on corners that tighten as you need to brake.

I struggled a bit to stay alive on this track but finally have a handle on it.  It's actually kinda fun once you get the hang of it.  A very nice flow.  Just don't screw up!

Someone has to clarify this one quick as we are definitely running Torino 55v2 according to the link given??

Yeah, I asked that already in another thread and it was confirmed. The link is the correct one.

Don't forget, the registration threads for each division contain download links to the add on tracks that will be used. Those links are active before the season starts so you can get them straight away.

Just tried a few laps on this track which is a new one for me ( not even tried the older version before).Very nice graphics, but I think my rig is struggling with all the detail and I might have to turn things down a little for the race.

I can agree with Tommy's description of "Monaco" like, but it has some very fast sweeping sections too which are great when you get them dead right and take blind bends and crests absolutely flat with no lift, but suicidal if you are a fraction off of the one and only racing line . The main similarity to Monaco is the lack of run off areas...make a mistake and you WILL pay the price.

Once I had done 5-6 laps and got the circuit more or less fixed in my memory, I thought I would try a race against the AI, just to see where there might be room for passing opportunities  ;)

 Ha! Ha! It seems the AI have not read the rules about driving etiquette!! I was blatantly blocked, run off the road on the straights, cut up in corners, sandwiched in the chicanes and generally made to feel like a fart in a spacesuit..... most unwelcome!!! :-\.

I think the mods should take a look at these AI chappies and dish out a few yellow cards!! Some of the monster pile ups that they produced just have to be someone's fault  lol

If you head back to SRMZ Clive, using the same link, there's a modified Ai on page 2, which might be an improvement.  I've not battled them yet, as I'm one who's been out, racing the wrong track version! ::)

My god this track is impossible!!! Not sure I can learn this track aqeduately withing my self-imposed one hour practice time! Its gonna get real ugly out there i think!

A practice server for this track might help people see what online racing is going to be like?

Its up but it took, literally, hours to download the track. Sorry about that. The track is quite nice and not difficult to learn but I was going round in 1:55 and par is 1:35. I might get to 1:45 with a bit more confidence but I would just be a moving chicane - I will almost certainly skip this one. I can't practice tomorrow as Miniblood has a birthday party but we'll see.

unless I suddenly find myself with a few hours spare tomorrow for practice, which is unlikely, I doubt I'll be taking part in this one.  I've not even downloaded the track yet. :(

During my 30 minute run-around to learn the track i found I could cruise round in 1:42.xx but if I started to push for a time then I would certainly crash!  The one decent lap I did was a 1:37.xx but I don't expect to repeat that tonight.. Its a cruise to a points finish for me I think!

I've been crashing too!  I have just succumbed, to a 2nd full bodied, systems shutting, freeze, while Ukgpl_3ing the track!  I might have to consider practicing on the longer version, 'til racetime.  Let us hope all our races end, in good old fashioned  mutilation.   8)

I don't have time to do a guide, but I did a few laps today and uploaded the lap on Youtube, the replay and setup. Here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6U0Y8vfEDo

http://racingleague.co.cc/hikiwaza/downloads/67_turin55_honda_13178.zip

Goodness me, that track download link is slow!

With the weather being a little damp I cant do some of the stuff I needed to and was hoping to get some track time but at this rate I could be waiting some time yet for the download to complete.

I will post a link from my site up here once (if) I get the complete file, until after the race, in case anyone else is hoping to do a last minute download of the track.

Link: HERE (http://speedsnap.co.uk/zip/Torino55_v2_install.zip)

I've done a little more practice and actually Im quite enjoying this track! It somehow manages to have plenty of variety with the mixture of corners but somehow it all manages to flow very nicely. I am comfortable in the 1:39s with full race fuel now, best advice I can give to the other tail-end charlies is to brake early, especially for the chicane on the run back to the flag!

An oddity of this track that I've just noticed is that the driver on pole can't see the start flag with a normal forward view. Not that I'm likely to find this troubling.

I'm used to not being able to see the flag man :(

Last 67 for me - too much hassle from the wife in addition to which I am embarrassingly bad at these without practice.

Screen freeze on lap 2 when running 4th :(

ditto ???

Oh dear early bath. Hit a haybale and thought I'm off the line so wait for everyone to pass.
Mike pulled over in sympathy followed by Jason. Waited for everyone to go before a shift/r but respawned the same time Mike did. As you can't take two resets it was race over for me.

Gnash, gnash!  About to commence ye gargantuan lead battle with Ronnie, when screen freeze, again!  T'would seem I'm not last, but hope I'm the last.  Grumble!

Screen freeze too  :-\

Billy not sure if I squeezed you on the grid, I was trying to go as slow as I could away to give you room to get around the incident, but I was getting a little pushed from behind too.  Sorry if it had an impact to your race.

Well I managed to lose it lap 3, but although frustrated by a small loss in control, I have to be content with the fact that I didn't have warp and MADE IT TO LAP 3 !!!!  :D

To qualify 2nd on the grid was a nice surprise too....tho there were some missing drivers tonight, who'd probably have beaten me..

.....I even led for nearly a lap after watching Hristo and Baab lose it in separate L1 incidents just in front of me, but then I had a moment of my own and let Tim through (wasn't unhappy about that really - need to get some race lapping experience so was happy to see him go off and maintain a gap to 3rd)

So, a short night, but lots to be positive about.

Thanks everyone

Arf

Screen freeze the fifth on this track. Guess there will be some more here.

Other than that, it seems there are about 2,5 people on my pace in works and probably about 10 in privateers. I almost couldn't get a clear lap in qualy because all the time i got buggered from behind by some abnormally low flying aliens. I know it is frustrating having to que behind someone so much slower, sorry for that. Also, Blood's statement about being embarrasingly bad is quite, errr, interesting. I'm not making a fuss of it all yet, just observing. Lets see what happens in a bit more of the future and than we'll see what happened  :detective:

Maybe i'll switch my focus on 3L 66's a bit more. Cars still suit my driving style and company on the track is much more balanced.

I didn't lose it, I had gone through that corner without a single problem in all my practice run and the Qualifying session, but in the race, on lap 1, I went just a few centimeters more to the inside and what appears to be an invisible wall ripped off my front right wheel, lol.  ::)

Sorry for whoever got affected by my rolling car, but I just couldn't stop it on time and a second impact that ripped my other front wheel sent me suddenly across the track.

That start was funny.. the comedy expoding Brabham in front of me was a firework display to remember!
Anyhow.. I have to say I LOVE this track but messed up the race completely- I must have used reverse gear about a dozen times!  Pleased to have made it to the finished in 4th place (out of only 5), less pleased to find out there is a shift+r restriction in this league! I Twice ripped a wheel off the car so this will be my second DQ of the season!!!!! I can't actually remember the rules - 6 divisions, 6 sets of rules and I forget what I'm allowed to do and what I'm not!
Never mind.. I'm sat here smiling and that's what counts!

Style is something money can't buy.

The same thing happened to me H. I simply mounted a bit more kerb than usual with a few laps to go and suddenly I'm flying into trees, engine on fire and all wheels missing  ???. To be fair there were only three runners at that point and I wasn't too displeased; especially when I had been driving a 3-wheeled Brabham for the last few laps. Shame I couldn't see the flag though.

My race was bittersweet. The first half went well, I was lapping consistently, unable to catch Tim but not losing bundles of time to his pace and suddenly, I lost concentration, braked a little too late for the first turn and made the car spin, losing any hope of victory. Soon after that Clive was on my gearbox, when I made another mistake later in the lap and let him through. The rest of the race was a comedy of errors. I made so many mistakes. So many that I lost count in fact. Eventually I hit a steet lamp and lost my front left wheel. But rather than stopping, I was hoping to make it to the end and carried on regardless, hoping that I wasn't posing as too big a nuisance for Tim and Clive. With 4 laps to go, the track got the better of me. Probably revenge considering the amount of track abuse I was giving it  ;). Reasonably pleased to bag 3rd. Congrats for Tim and Clive for making it to the end.

The basic rules are the same throughout all divisions but, yes, I appreciate there are tweaks which can confuse but they are tailored for each division. Best thing to do is check the Reg threads where differences are outlined. We do have consistency in that all resets must now involve a stop.

The main differences are;

67 Works - PRO so no shift/r
67 Privateers - ONE shift/r only with a compulsory SnG
66 Historics - PRO so no shift/r and you must complete 50% distance to score
65 Pro - PRO so no shift/r and you must complete 50% distance to score
65 Novs - unlimited shift/r but with a compulsory SnG
Specs - unlimited shift/r but with a compulsory SnG
GT's - ONE shift/r only with a compulsory 10 second pit stop
Porsche - PRO so no shift/r

So sorry to say Jason but yes you are looking at a DQ. Not to sound condescending but I'd reccomend a quick scan of the race thread when checking for the password so you don't fall foul of the rules next time.

How is Jason looking at a DQ when Works run on Pro rules and shift-r is impossible?  ???

I hear he likes to play with his privates ;D

Then there's some inconsistency with wording the announcements - it should be Graduates, not Works.  ;)

Some very strange behaviour in Qually by 1 or 2. It's frustrating to have someone try to overtake you rather than back off and make space for themselves because they spoil their own lap as well as yours, then after a couple of corners you see them upside down in a heap. Also got baulked at the chicane on what would have been my fastest lap and would have put me 3rd.

Having said that, the fact I blew my engine on the grid would have meant a bit more carnage behind. So, this time with Prib running I waited for everybody to go before resetting and setting off.

Had a brew with Vos at the chicane but it all got a bit hectic as there wasn't enough water in the kettle so I went and took my Stop n Go instead then started a great recovery drive with some consistent laps and the odd hiccup and found myself in 4th with 4 to go and then I lost concentration exiting the chicane and ripped a wheel off.

Really enjoyed this challenging circuit but disappointed not to make the end.

Agree with the qually , got balked badly on most laps and maybe did the same for others .

Fantastic track though unable to do it justice due to lack of practise and talent .

Got held up at the start behind whoever it was parked his car broadside across the track , not that it made much difference to the end result , took a leasurely drive to the lowest podium step thanks to all the retirees , kissed madam death in the haybales a few times but manage to extracate myself unscathed each time (except for the mouthfull of straw )

Grats again to Ronnie and commiserations again to Martryin , felt real pain being lapped but was no where near the leaders pace so didnt see the point of pushing things and risking all which sort of paid off in the end  ::)

God H you are a stickler for consistency ;)
I forgot to change the default header but, as discussed, both 67 races are currently under one thread.

The grid on servers was fixed for online races, I hope it worked.
Ciao

I joined very late cause another previous committment, 7 laps at Ring with '71 rFactor Mod. :), so couldn't set a decent time, but was confortable to start at the back anyway. Unlukily I saw the green flag rising, but moved before it went down so I got a BF. While triying to find out where to slow down to nail my pitbox, at 3rd lap I got freezed :(
Ciao

Thanks Fulvio - T7 had pole man set back, with starter in full view. :winkiss:

Another disappointing effort.  Qualified 5th.  One of my 95% laps could have gotten me 3rd but I don't sweat qualifying.  My results are never a function of my start position... except that being farther back does make one more vulnerable to lap 1 pile ups.

I don't have a replay to review since I got discoed about 2/3 way through the race but this was totally a local problem.  We had a major lightning storm happen just before the race began.  One close lightning KA-BLAM made my modem black out.  Luckily it came back up when restarted.  Also I don't seem to be able to download the replay at this time.   My browser says it can't get any data from the other end.

So from memory.  OK start.  Had one loose moment (I think at the stone wall left hander) but held it together and the guy behind me didn't bump me or get past.  Thanks to whomever that was!  A few seconds later, as I crested the hill approaching the tunnel there was a white car sideways and out of control.  I was not able to avoid crashing into him and ended up going up the hill and into the boundary of the model.  Backed down and got back on the track but of course this meant any hope of racing with anyone was gone.  I tooled along alone for many laps watching my position improve to 4th without ever seeing let alone passing anyone.  I had a few bobbles here and there but nothing major until at the stonewall left hander I again got loose but his time there was a red car stopped along the same wall that I was scraping along.  I could not avoid crunching his ass and I think he punched out of the race immediately after that.  Sorry to whomever that was.  Had I been in control we would not have collided and your race could have continued.  What's more we might even have been able to race each other!  That would certainly have made my day a lot more fun and exciting.  After several more laps of racing myself the lightning took me out of my misery.  And I'm not making that up... I really did take a lightning hit!

First race with UKGPL for a few years and really enjoyed it although the new Fundoshi that Hiki Waza are using this season chafe a bit.

Qually went OK, was always going to be challenging to get a clear lap but got 5th on grid with 10 minutes to go so changed to race setup just to get the feel of things and managed to move up to 3rd on grid with final flying lap.

Race was hard, forgotten how much concentration is needed especially for 31 laps around somewhere like this.  Made a reasonable start, retaining 3rd, couple of laps in car behind disappears leaving me and 1st and 2nd on our own.  Lap 4 Martin spins on exit of 1st corner letting first Ronnie and me by.  Up to 2nd but with a very quick Cooper behind, I knew that as long as I get a clean exit onto the main straight and pit straight the grunt of the Honda should keep him back and this works well until lap 7 when we both catch a couple of back markers at the chicane before the main straight.  I went to the right expecting the backmarker to stay on the racing line, drifts to the middle sees me and stays there allowing Martin up the left.  I had lifted to see where he would go so Martin outdrags me down the straight.  We come to the chicane but unfortunately the backmarker in the Honda outbrakes himself shunting me into the bales.  I take my shift R and then immediately stop and go.  Surprised to find myself still in 3rd so start to reel off the laps.  Lap 14 I am up to 2nd, saw no stricken Cooper so no idea what happened to him.  Remainder of race steady lapping as gap to Ronnie well over 50 seconds, missing various accidents and lapping the odd car.  Was very pleased to see the chequered flag.  Well done all, excellent way to finish a weekend.

Happy with 2nd, roll on Silverstone, a very different challenge.

Diki Waza :ninja:

I had  a dream setup sorted - mild mannered, responsive, fast!  A great car for a great track.  But then, I saw it - someone had stuck a number 13 on the side of my car!  It could've been anyone.  So I set about getting pole as quickly as possible, and hoped for the best.  Had I seen any rabbits, I might've grabbed a foot, I suppose.

It's rather hard driving with your fingers crossed,  but I still managed to pull a lead, while fighting the strangest of problems - I just could'nt get comfortable!  F1 drivers have form fitting seats, but I had an Elephants foot umbrella stand to sit on.  This unexpected distraction culminated, in a clipped curb, and a calamitous 180!  By the time I was facing forwards, I'd dropped to 3rd.  

I forgot my discomfort, and soon managed to pull a Hakkinen/Schumacker move, on a fast Honda for 2nd, as we split a surprised backmarker.  This left only Ronnie in front, who I'd hoped to wear down, as the laps whizzed past.  Sooner than expected, he was only just in front.  So naturally, this is the moment the gods chose, to disconnect me! :-\

Or it could have been a well aimed soggie bottom remote control  ;)

Results uploaded, any Incident Reports by close of play Friday please. A provisional review of the Privateers shows, apart from the double reset mentioned earlier, all complied with the stop and go rules.

I've downloaded the replay now.  I actually crunched the red car (Arf Arf Arf) on lap 3 and was not out of control as I remembered.  I went into a skid trying to tighten my turn to avoid the parked car.  Luckily it wasn't disastrous to my already crappy race but it could have been worse.  Arf, you might want to think about punching out a little quicker when you're motionless on the racing line on a blind curve.  The flagman was worthless, being himself hidden and only 50ft ahead of your car.

An unexpectedly good outing for me - Downloaded the track about an hour before the race and set about practicing.
As luck would have it my (Already good) Monaco setup worked beautifully here, requiring only minor tweeks to the right hand wheel geometrys - everything else was perfect.

Qually started well with me going straight to number one and staying there for 5-10 minutes, then everyone else started playing catchup and I couldn't put in clean enough laps to lift my self off the last row of the grid  :-[

Gave up with 10 mins to go and decided to concentrate on practicing on full tanks as attrition was bound to lift me higher than any qualifying effort. 4 laps later I descovered this was one of 'those' tracks - meaning a circuit where I could go faster on full tanks than with my qualifying setup  ::)
This elevated me to the far loftier region of 4th where I stayed till race start.

Arf Arf Arf (I really could do wit a real name here - feels silly typing that  ;D) got a horrendous start and left me with the problem of deciding between a dive to the left or hanging back. I choose to hang back and was lucky that Clive hadn't taken that as a cue to mug me for the inside line into T1/2.
So, still in 4th I hooked up behind the leaders on the charge down towards the braking zone for Borgo Medioevale where I fully expected someone to make a mistake.
Imagine my suprise when no-one did!  ;)
The suprise was then amplified when exactly 1.34 corners laters I drove through a cloud of car components and witnessed a stricken whale careening across the track and into the tunnel wall. I backed off as did who ever was infront and moved right just intime to avoid the last dying spasms of the whale as it hurled itself back across the track at me!  :o

This now put me upto a fairly safe 3rd with the 2 leaders well within my grasp, so I decided to follow Arf for a lap or 3 and then, once I worked out his lines to commence laying on the pressure - amazingly only a few corners after H's dismemberment Baab also made a mistake and ran wide onto the main straight letting both myself and Arf through - 2nd just intime for lap 2!  8)

Still not really trying to push him I settled behind Arf intending to bide my time, he simplified things for me after only another lap or two by having a moment - not being one to miss an opportunity presented to me on a plate along with silverware,a cloth napkin, an wine I had lunch took the opportunity and went around him.

After the next corner I discovered I already had a lead of over 100yds on prib so concentrated on maintaining a good fast, but safe speed to keep him there.
A short while later Arf retired himself permanently leaving me with a healthy gap back to Sam (now in 2nd) so my main challenge was soon to become mearly concentrating on over 30 minutes of racing by myself. Some 10 minutes in and 2 near misses with the banking near the tunnel (thinking about a film I watched earlier in the day  ::) ) and I finally managed to stop my mind wondering and put in some very solid and consistent laptimes - before then deciding to do a spot of economy running just to be safe, this also served to force me to pay attention to the circuit so possibly helped avoid further offs.

With 3 to go I decided I had more than enough fuel so lit the blue touch paper and held on for good measure - laptimes rapidly started dropping and I finally managed my fastest lap while taking the flag, still nearly a second slower than H's qually time  :'(

That said I always knew H could out lap me here, both chicanes on either side of the bridge suit someone who left foot brakes - which I can't - so I knew that even with the Waza he'd have a large advantage over me. Thanks go to Turins glass wall manufacturers I guess  ;)

Well done to Clive for finishing and to Sam for his determination to finish  :D
Bad luck to all the retirees  :)

Real name rumoured to be Arthur Brick  ;D a builder from Birmingum

Has a terrible stammer  ::) ::) ::)

After the mayhem of qualifying where everyone, including myself, seemed determined to ignore other peoples fast lap attempts I found myself 2nd behind Martin.

When the race started I knew Martin would be setting a hot pace from the off so I endeavoured to keep up. The distance between us seemed more to do with who made the fewest errors and on lap four my chance came when Martin spun. I think we touched but I managed to squeeze through into the lead. But I knew he would be chasing me down as soon as he recovered. It took him a few laps to get by Diki but sure enough Prib told me he was back in second. Stepping up the pace a little I was just about holding my own when I decided to wrap the Brabham round a lamppost. Amazingly the car survived intact but Martin was now large in my mirrors. As I prepared for a battle royal no sooner had he appeared than he disappeared??? I now know why. Tough break Martin. After this the race was quite calm and serene, driving at a steady pace to avoid any Porsche like blown engines. Even with Martin out of the race I swear he jumped out at turn one causing me to a spin late on. For sure I was relieved to see the chequered flag.

Congrats to Diki and Bernie plus everyone else who finished. Commiseration again to Martin and anyone else who fell by the wayside particularly if it was through no fault of their own. Notwithstanding the discos, I really enjoyed this track so thanks again to the mods for the track selection. Last but not least, the behaviour of any backmarkers I encountered during the race was impeccable. See you all at Silverstone.

My first impressions of Torino were that it was not a circuit that would allow mistakes to go unpunished. Which is why I did not take Tim's invitation to dive down the inside at T1 at the start. Although my Samb had no such fear and mugged me to sneak up the inside and push me back one position.
 I was fully expecting some carnage at T1 and had no intention of being part of it!!  ;) But as Tim observed , the leaders slipped through unscathed and it looked like sanity would prevail..until Hristo found one of those hidden posts  ::) with fatal consequences.

I had discovered this dark secret of Torino during my brief runs of practice. I was trying to get a fast exit from the corner before the tunnel and realised that there was perhaps a kerb that I could sneak two wheels across to straighten the line on the entry to the tunnel.
It worked well, despite a small bump as I dropped off the kerb back on to the roadway which did not upset the car. So, next lap I decided to try and take a bit more kerb and go even faster by straightening out the corner even more  ;D ...and it worked. Hey!! I thought "this is gonna shave a second off my lap time" by carrying so much more speed through this corner. Until about the 4th attempt when I really was pushing hard and two wheels on the right of my car vanished!!!!.   ????? :o no impact, no sound just two wheels gone??  There appears to be an invisible post or wall there somewhere  and I discovered at least 2 more spots where putting 2 wheels on to the grass or paving cannot be recommended!!!

I was following Sam quite carefully as my setup just would not get my tyres up to a good working temperature. It took 3-4 laps just to get them up to about 150F and up to 10 laps of hard driving to squeeze 200F!! not ideal when you want all the grip you can get  :-\ By the time we had completed 3 laps I had already gained 3 places and had not actually passed anyone!!! so I began to close down on Sam and apply a little pressure because I could see Tim creeping into the distance on Prib.
I had clocked a 1:32 on full fuel in my practice sessions so I knew that 1:34's would be comfortable, but Sam and I were doing 1:37's which was allowing Tim to escape. Sam had no intention of letting me pass him and he used the Brabham's grunt to get out of the slower corners quickly and prevent me getting a passing opportunity on the straights. I could close easily through the twisty sections but there was just nowhere to make a pass there...... very frustrating. Then I made a small error and clipped a kerb which gave Sam some breathing space and in my hurry to close the gap again I got on the power too early in T1-2 and came to a smoking halt sideways on to the track...even more breathing space for Sam!!
OK plenty of time left and we are 3rd so just get some quick smooth 1:33 laps in and catch Sam. but with out my Waza in his mirrors he was able to pick his speed up and I was only closing slowly. Until I came across a limping Brabham on the run up the hill after T1-2 and grinned broadly as I wellied my Waza straight past him.

A shame really Sam because we seemed pretty evenly matched for lap times and it would have been a race long duel I think. By now, and thanks to my mistakes, Tim was a good 20 secsonds in front and cruising
Not one to let him have an easy victory I pushed hard hoping that he would have just one decent incident that would allow me within striking distance....but he didn't!! Like Tim I had to check my fuel consumption with about 8 laps to go and eased back just slightly until I was sure I was ok to get to the finish, becuase I could see that Sam intended to reach the flag on 3 wheels if he could ::)

Grats to Tim for the win and Sam almost made it to the flag. a race of attrition but I thought it was a great track and just a shame so many were caught out by its dark secret nasty bits  :-\.

That's exactly what happened to me - no sound, just the front right wheel silently detaching itself, lol! I wish I had gone through there during my practice runs...  ::) I wonder if I did long ago when I last raced there, but simply forgot about it. Anyway, at least I'm kinda proud of my Qualifying lap, it felt great.  :P

Not a lucky one: a CTD during qualify, then an error at first turn at the second lap, s+r followed by a stop'n'go then, after a second error, I had to quit...
Even if I don't like city track I found a good setup and my race pace wasn't so bad.
WD to the winner, the podium, all the survivors and everybody raced.
See you all on Silverstone and Long Live UKGPL!!

Have to admit that the track is just too difficult for my level of skill ~ sorts out the men from the Billy's so to speak. I put a fair amount of practice which usually concluded with turning off the PC having decided I just can’t do this one. The only plus point is that I’ve tried out some different chassis & found out the BRM does have its merits. My attendance was based on collecting tokens and maybe surviving a few laps & picking up a few points.

Found out in qualifying that the car handling was rather different on low fuel. Went out on full tanks – binned a few promising laps due to congestion & finally got one below 1.40.

Another start line incident – 3 in 3 races. From what I can see Steve & I were squeezed avoiding a crash ahead – both cars had slowed but ran out of room – hopefully a racing incident?

Was cautious about keeping out of the way of the faster guys who could actually drive this track. Managed to get to about lap 15 with only minor brushes with the hay bales etc. Think I may have clipped a kerb, span through the undergrowth & beached myself in a flowerbed. Was about 10 laps more than I’d expected.

Oddly I suffered a couple of screen freezes in off line practice. Looks like a few others suffered with them during the race & with the invisble wall I won't be disappointed if this track gets blacklisted? I did it out of persistence – definitely no fun.

For sure Bill.  If there was any fault it was mine.  I tried to slow as much as I could hoping you'd dive around the incident ahead of me but I think we both just ran out of room in the end.

I'm quite enjoying the BRM.  Once you get used to her, she's quite an enjoyable challenge.  Although the enjoyment is probably as much down to running with others of similar pace instead of plodding around at the back; I think Privs with a slower car was the right choice certainly for this and likely a few more seasons.

bad luck bill , it now looks like Ginetto has now fixed the track so we can race there again

http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=6956&pid=63227&st=0&#entry63227

muhahaha

john

I really enjoyed the track and we should use it again.

Sorry Bill.

Rick

Sorry for the delay in replying - had to check the replay to confirm you were right to blame me. You were, and I'm really sorry.

I had to check the replay to see anyone had hit me, as I didn't notice at the time! I knew my race was run almost as soon as I lost control whilst braking. The moment I hit the wall and my front right was ripped off I actually hit Esc/Enter and then put my head in my hands at such a stupid mistake. After a few seconds I looked up again, and saw I was still on track. In hitting esc/enter (and maybe in frustration) I'd knocked the keyboard off the side of my desk - must have been retrieving it when you came round the corner....

I now realise that when practicing offline you can escape at any time, but online it seems you have to be stationary before it'll work.....

Arf^3

That's correct Arf, when online the car must be stationary to escape out of the race  :)

That's part of the reason for H's gymnastics display in the tunnel as he had no way of quiting till the dance was over  ;D

The privateers replay of the Torino race posted appears to be the Westwood race from 22nd May?? Does anyone have a copy of the Torino race?

No problem really.  As I said, my race was already in the tank before this happened.  And I was able to carry on... for a while anyway.


Quite funny actually!   :D

Make that a double !  I've already made a private request to 2 of our overseers, to prevent your win being censored, but expect they're taking a break.  Can't blame them really. :2guns:                                   :nono:

I'll check Fixed

Thanks Paul - must have clicked the wrong button when doing the ftp transfer...

Moderation now published.

It's not a lie, Tim, there IS an invisible wall (go hit it yourself, lol). So perhaps you should reorder this sentence:

"A lap one review shows only one item; Hristo careers to the left, loses a wheel and spins" - I lost a wheel before careering to the left.  ;D As for loss of control, there was some in the previous corner, but I was already back in control on the exit and consciously went over the curb as I did during practice and in Qualifying. A tad too much apparently...  ::)

OK depends if you treat it as one or two separate incidents but I see what you mean re the wheel. All a bit academic as it would have been a racing incident whether it was a loss of control or an invisible thingy...
Not calling you a liar at all hence I said 'there is more to it then a loss of control'.

Oh, I know, I understood how you meant it, just wanted to clarify (and blame the track!).  :P