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WELCOME TO THE UKGPL SEASON 21 HISTORIC (66) TROPHY 

For the fourth round we go to UK. The Silverstone Circuit  1967 is well known for most drivers one might think, but push the limits and maybe you will be surprised, be aware.

There will be full moderation of lap one, and then reported incidents for the rest of the race. Please submit incident reports within a week after the race so that the moderators report may be out before the next race.

Please restrict chat to a minimum, (or maybe none).

Best of luck.
 
Race List =            iGOR
Server =               UKGPL_T7_2
IP Address =         62.149.202.168
Race date =          7-6-2011
Time =                 21.00 UK time
Track =                Silverstone Circuit  1967
Variant =              66F1 2L engines
Damage Model =   PRO
Qualifying time =  35 minutes. Do not start driving until 30 min left.
Race length =       Pro Long (33 laps)

The track can be downloaded from: Papy track


Group I
T1F Eagle Climax
Lotus 33 Climax

Group II
Brabham BT11 2.5lt
Lotus 33 BRM


GroupIII
Ferrari 246
Brabham BT11 BRM
BRM P261
Brabham BT11 2.7lt


Drivers Restricted to cars from Group I
Hristo Itchov


Drivers Restricted to cars form Group II or Group I
Göran Jonsson

All other drivers have free chassis choice.


Password: see above (#post_event_password)
(2) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R;group=304;theme=6)

Another useless effort. Never got the green for the start so I had to start half a lap down from the pit :(

Took seven laps for the suddenly evil handling fezza to settle down and then whilst letting a couple past caught the grass and ended up on the Silverstone sign. Practiced this afternoon and did forty laps at an average of 1:38. Slow but ok with a PB of 1:35.8. Get on T7 and suddenly it is a complete handful, slipping and sliding all over the place - totally different from UKGPL3. Hacked off.

A bit of a mixed result for me this one.. I like Silvy, and I love the 2.0L BRM so was very comfy on track.
I spent the last 5 mins of qual setting my 1st gear ratio and practicing starts and it paid dividends with the mother of all starts! I mugged TWO cars on the starting line! Pity I put a wheel onthe grass exiting club corner on the first lap and spun it away!
Anyhow, I settled in for a cruise, easily passing Uncle Phil into Stowe, and was cruising to a 6th place finish when.... NO GEARS!!!!  My upshift paddle stopped working! Intermittently at first but after bout 10 mins it went completely and I spun out!
Gutted, but actually pleased with the race itself.. I suppose a DNF-with-points is marginally better than a DQ!!

   Discovering too late that 67 setups wont work for 2 litre cars, i was forced to make my own setup, which i never did before, ontop of some mexico steve cloyd setup, to use the gearratios - i never know what to do with them...  :o

 It didnt turned up too well, it was pretty steady actually, except at braking... i tought 59 brake bias would be enough. Guess not... i also tought silverstone allows some room for mistakes...guess not. Ended upside down on the second lap.

After a dismal start to this season's 66's I finally get to score some good points  ;D and have a good race.

Qually was ok'ish but I never really nailed a great lap, so started 4th and trailed Fulvio for the 1st lap in his Ferrai until he ran wide going on to the Hangar Straight and shot across the track. That was a bit scary but I was lucky enough to have just enough room to switch my line and go around him on the run down to Stowe....3rd place  ;D.

I was trying hard to get up to Tim and Hristo before they got clean away, but just dropped a wheel onto the grass on the outside of Abbey and despite armfuls of opp lock still ended up out of control.
Apologies to Fulvio, because I got caught against his car and caused him to lose several places  :-\
I think that dropped me to about 7th or 8th spot and a into the red fog region.  :ninja:

The rest of the race was a banzai charge to try and catch the leaders. Despite passing a few cars and gaining from retirements ahead Fulvio's Ferrari remained a long way in the distance as he more or less matched my speed. The gap was closing but very, very slowly and some rough mental calculations showed that I might catch him with 3 laps to go if I could maintain my 10/10ths pace.

I know that Fulvio is a very consistant driver, so he was unlikely to make any big mistakes so this was going to be interesting ::).

I had to put in a series of Very fast laps so that I could begin to benefit from the slipstream and drag myself onto his tail. Sure enough, with about 3-4 laps to go I was on his tail and looking for a chance to pass. There was only a single half chance as he ran a fraction wide out of Church and I got alongside on the run up to Abbey. I was on the outside but backed off because at the pace we were going there was a good chance that neither of us would make it to Woodcote if we tried Abbey side by side!! lol
I put on as much pressure as I could and made one or two small errors myself that dropped me back slightly. I was able to close the gap easily but Fulvio did not give me another chance and we crossed the finish line with my nose stuck right under his gearbox.
Another couple of laps might have given me a chance but Fulvio kept his cool and 2nd place.

Grats to Tim on his win and commiserations to Hristo who seems to have had "an incident"  ::), which no doubt the stewards will investigate. ;) Big grats to Fulvio for some great racing.  ;)

Hehe great racing indeed Clive :)
My cool cost me a big sweat though  ;D
When you spun at Abbey I tried to not hit you big time, I don't know how I kept it straight. Then began an interesting pursuit to 3rd place, later 2nd ;)
Sry for rejoining in so brutal manner at Chapel, I didn't expect to be launched across the track in front of you as I touched the tarmac.
Ciao

Actually, they might not. I was absolutely convinced Tim hit me and my replay also supported that, but after seeing the replay from his game client, I see there was a meter gap between our cars yet we made contact. It was very unfortunate because up until then we had what can only be called an epic battle! If anyone's interested, watch the replay. I haven't had such a race in a long time. Hopefully it would last until the end next time.

I've just watched your replay H - I see why you were so miffed originally now  ;D

I had a great setup for this race, ran all of the practice session on full tanks and didn't bother with my qually setup as no-one was close enough.

Come the race I had an 'OK' start, which was helped when H had an uncharacteristically good launch and went round the outside of Fulvio in T1 - this gave me a bit of a gap which at first seemed enough to let me inch away from the field.
Which is exactly what I did for the first lap or 2 till I ran wide and let H catch right back upto me  ::)
From this point in he was far enough up my slipstream that I had no hope of ditching him, but as he didn't have the power to be a massive threat at the end of the straights I realised that good clean consistent driving might be enough to hold him off.....
Needless to say that as there were still 30laps left I didn't manage 'good clean consistantly error-free driving' for that long, on lap 4 I ran a little to far onto the grass at Chapel and lost time catching a humungous slide - this let H through and into the lead.
Due to the silly torque of the 4 cylinder Climax (with a little help from the draft ;) ) I reeled him back in before the end of that lap and settled in to watch him for a bit, after a few laps of no obvious weeknesses I decided to use the 'look very big in mirrors' tactic to try and force some errors.
As the race history graph will show this tactic did indead work, although rarely to my own advantage as I was normally so close I too would have to go evasive to avoid clouting him  ;D
Eventually I managed to get back infront on lap 9, only for Hristo to cruelly re-take the lead the following lap - this time despite successfully making H mess up a few times (Quite easy as apparently his car was quite the handfull compared to mine) I could never get by and make it stick - normally because I was getting caught up avoiding contact when ever he had a moment  :ninja:
On lap 15 I fanally pulled off another pass and this time made it stick, right up until lap 19 where he returned the favour to re-steal the number 1 slot.
Then on lap 20 disaster struck - H had taken a bad line through T1 while I'd (somehow) managed to nail it, as a result I had such a run on him I decided to take the inside line to T2 at Maggots. I knew it would slow us both, but it was also too good a chance at re-taking 1st to turn up.
H had obviously seen me pull out as he left me room on the approach, I in turn took a very tight line to ensure I didn't drift out into him.
Feeling decidly out of the picture for far too long this season the Lag monster choose this moment to strike - and he did so pretty much at the worst possible time sending H flying off of the circuit until he finally came to rest against someones Cesna loosing a wheel in the impact  :(

From then on I had it too easy, what with Fulvio in 2nd being all of 10 seconds back, and without H's attentions I rapidly started to loose concentration.
I think I hit the inside curbs about 4 times at Chapel and Abbey. Several of these hits nearly ended in my rolling the car, and all of them allowed Fulvio to make great gains on me. Luckily I ran out of laps before I ran out of talent so took the flag unchallenged  ;D

Big shame about Hristo going out, as to be honest I wouldn't have cared if I finished 1st or 2nd after a race long battle like that (1st would have been preferable of course ;) ), and it seemed like a kind of anti-climax to win after he'd been retired  :(
Well done to fulvio and Clive for joining me on the podium, and also to all the other finishers - esp Goran for managing some more decent points for Black Night  :angel:

FMG, are you feeling charitable enough to share your great Silverstone setup? This was my 2nd 66's race ever, Monsanto being the first. In short, i've got no idea what normal 66 2L setup should look like and am looking for pointers. And we drove the same car here, so youre a perfect begging target  ::)

I can now proudly announce that this was my first race finish since last summer. Never been so extatic about finishing last and lapped  :angel:

Had a great race with, i guess, Fabio. Needed about 10 laps of patience until he got in a big enough slide for me to get by. All that time i was thinking if i'm to conservative and should i dive down the inside after some of his minor slides. Couple of laps later he dived down my inside after my minor slide and confirmed that i wasn't too conservative.

Without couple of spins in early laps, would've been maybe on the lead lap and not too far from some other finishers. Anyway, it was great to prove that my cputer, connection and brain are able to finish a race again  :1eye:

PM me your email address and I'll send it to you ivan  :)

You may not like it though unless you have a very similar driving style to me - even H and Clive used to edit my setups beyond recognition when I shared them as a Waza  ;D

Can confirm that FMG set ups don't work for mere mortals.

Well I was using a Tommy v O setup and it was great for qually and f$%@ing awful for the race...  ;D

Now that I have calmed down I actually enjoyed the build up to this although I got it in the neck from my wife again :(

I couldn't get a clean lap and was disappointed with my 1:36, silly mistakes, cold tyres and traffic meant I found it really hard to hook it up. I was looking for a low 1:35 - which would have moved me up....

....no places at all.

Come the race and in addition to having to start from the Pit Lane (how does that happen?) the car was awful. Twitchy under brakes and no oomph. Span three times at odd places - maybe the setup had gone back to default. After seven laps, things were becoming beter as I got used to it and the fuel load lightened. By now though I am in the clutches of everybody and as I lifted up to let Jason and Ivan through, got a wheel on the grass and it was too late to brake or turn without taking somebody out. Just hoped for the best. Bang. But the car was ok and had all four wheels on. But just like Falkenberg, I wasn't in contact with the ground. This time I was up on the Silverstone sign.

I am going to finish the next race if I have to do it all in first gear....

BB, i tought that your Ferrari must be Phil or somebody on the same lap and i was hesitating to go alongside you under braking. That may have helped you look in the mirrors too much and forget the road ahead, just possibly  :oops:
btw, they say you need a clear head for racing, prolly a clear neck too  ;)

FMG, i've sent you my email for braby setup. No, i don't drive alien setups, i just need something to begin with. Any other braby 2.7L is welcome, or a link to 2L 66's setups. Didn't find much 2L on the web.

NP Ivan - I knew you were there and I wanted to take a wide line - happy to compromise my lap but I just went too wide and hit the grass. When I braked there was no discernible effect :(

Mind you, I am happy you thought it might be Phil - normally you would be able to tell by the disparity in car control :D

My pre-race preparation normally starts with a shot or two of Whisky - read into that what ever you please  ;D

Setup should be heading your way in 5 mins or so  :)

That explains why you always drive over the limit  :D :D :D

Don't usually enjoy Silverstone as a track but great to race on. I had a good scrap with Goran who simply wore me down to the point where I checked my mirror one time too many and exited the track for the scenery. After rejoining the track with Goran now ahead I set about trying to catch him. I finally got him in sight on the very last lap but I suspect he was just doing enough to keep me at bay. Congrats to Tim, Fulvio and Clive.

Yes Ronnie it was great, especially since I finish the race in front of you  ;D.  But if you look at our laptimes both in quali and in the race you can see just how close it was.

As a whole my race was OK except when I totally lost focus, forgot to change gear and went off letting Evil and Ronnie by. I was behind Fulvio in 4Th position and  Evil and Ronnie was following but I figured that as long as I could use Fulvio`s tow I would be fine, and then.....................

After that I never saw Evil and Fulvio again, except on the pribluda but I noticed that Ronnie did not manage to stay with Evil so I began to reel him in. When I got on his gearbox I noticed that we had not made the 50% race distance so I backed off a bit and waited.

Then my plan was just to put pressue on him and hope, and it did work finally, over and done with it, and so I got 4Th because of the tragic missfortune up front. 

When I changed the handicap system to only be the two first places in the championship to be handicapped, not four as it was earlier, I never thought that I still would be affected by it, so now I am thinking about handicapping only P1 in the championship  ;D, unfortunately I can not do that in the middle of the season, and the LM2 for some reason have me still in second position alltough on the same points as Fulvio so you can now look forward to running 8Th around me at Brno as well but after that, if you just keep your cars on the track, I think I will have a free choice of car for the race to come.

Göran

Handicapping only the first place wouldn't be quite fair, would it? Imagine the case where top 2 placed drivers enter the final race with just a handful of points between them, you'd be literally handing out the title to the driver in 2nd place.

Don`t worry H, I just vented my frustration. I do think it is rather good now.

I just did not expect that  I would hold second position in the championship.

Göran

So you prefer NOT to be up the leaderboard? I thought the idea of a Championship is to win...  ::) Anyway, it's early days, you have plenty of time to lose positions (if Evil's bad luck goes away, lol).  ;D

Yes Ivan, I enjoyed our fight too!
I was trying to reach Jason in front of me and, at same time, I had to defend myself from your attemps, great fun, indeed!! :thumbup2:

Unfortunately, when I tried to pass you at T1 I lost the control but, lucky me, I didn't bring you with me outside the track and out of the race (I guess you got some white hair...): shame that it didn't happen only few laps later to score some champ points... :(


I guess it was the same I downloaded from the Alternative Track Database: after adjusting the brake bias to suit my driving style, it wasn't so bad at all.

Never tried Silvy before with 2L cars and I was really surprised about my starting place, wow!

See you all in Czech Republic and Long Live UKGPL!!

I don't see why you can't change it... whats the point of power if you don't abuse it...  ;D

Actually I think LM2 has it wrong and Fulvio should be second because he has more second places than you. Up to you though. Maybe the 50% thing has confused it.

I prefer to be up there at the end of the season and if I am in handicap cars I doubt I will because I do not have your ability to win in any car yet, but do not feel too secure, I begin to feel a bit weird  :alien:


Power? who, me?


Well, there you got the power, LM2 rules you know.

Göran

3 podiums Vs 2 is the reason I suspect guys  :)

In the event of a tie on points, the following criteria will be applied in order:
Number of events entered within the championship
Best finish in class
Best finish overall
Best qualifying position in class
Best qualifying position overall
Most number of wins in class, or 2nd places if tied on wins, and so on down to 6th place.
Most number of wins overall, or 2nd places if tied on wins, and so on down to 6th place.
Most number of class poles in class, or 2nd place qualifying if tied on poles, and so on down to 6th place.
Most number of class poles overall, or 2nd place qualifying if tied on poles, and so on down to 6th place.
If none of the above resolve the tie then it will remain.

That is from the rules and regs and applies to LM2 I think. Fulvio has had a second, Goran has not. It is one for Giz I think.

Yeah, that's odd.

Hands up my fault. When I set up the season I left the default srou tie-break rules whereas I should have selected the UKGPL tie-break rules from the dropdown.
Now corrected, sorry :wetfish:

The Moderator`s report, or rather, as there were no incidents, Paul`s Race report is published.

Göran

Excellent read as always, Paul!

Classic read Paul. Not racing tonight so no chance of figuring in the next report but I will be reading it for sure!

It does make the moderation a bit difficult to find though! When I agreed to do this, I thought it would be an hour or so every couple of weeks. Fool! It is a monster. I also thought Silverstone would have less incident but the battle between Tim and H was amazing. I am not sure I am going to be at Brno because Ijust haven't had time to learn it. If enough people take that attitude, maybe the next report will be shorter...

Hope you enjoyed it anyway and thanks for the kind comments and apologies to Ivan. It should have read 'hard earned sixth'.

Thx for the compliments BB, but you might want to change your driver of the day. You missed 2 of my 3 spins in first 2 laps  :scared:

One you noticed was forced, but other 2 were entirely my mistakes.

I didn't miss them LOL. And if you think I am rewriting it now...

You were my driver of the day because you settled it down and maximised your opportunity.

Excellent read Paul. ;D

sometimes it seems that the moderating takes up your whole life................as you are discovering. ::) especially when you have to watch each persons race from flag to flag!!!
Even with fast forward option ( which gives me a headache after 10 mins of flickering images) it takes quite a while.

LOL yes. What is really annoying is that you want a lap by lap, blow by blow encounter and you have to follow one individual. Keeping track can be a bit of a nightmare. It is a fun watch though and anyone who is interested in close racing ought to look at Tim and H. It really was magnificent.

BB, you could help yourself with race history graph from gplra. Print it out and you and check on which laps there are cars running together or passing and where somebody dropped it.               

Now he tells me  ::)

Thanks for the tip Ivan.  ;)

Yeah, but please don't rely solely on the graph, because you'll end up reporting only accidents and passes, and miss all the great intense battles which don't necessarily include position changes.

I think the reports show that I do review quite alot of it... that won't change. It will just help me get the numbers right.

If graph shows 2 or more lines running close together, that obviously means close battle.

If there is a linear line running 10 secs below and 10 secs above other lines, there is absolutely nothing to see there. Xcept driver picking his nose or such.                   

Tx. That will help.

Sure, but my point was, there are things happening which wouldn't reflect in the line - e.g. passing backmarkers (which can often produce some exciting situations, lol). And Paul, I wasn't saying you don't review a lot, of course it shows in your reports that you do. I was only expressing my hope that you would continue to do that (if your spare time allows) once you start using the graph as well.  :)

Its alright - I didn't think you were under any illusions. But I don't feel I can do justice to the report unless I review it all but it is helpful to know which bits I might be able to fast forward :D

BTW H - Your battles with Tim are an absolute pleasure to watch. I like Touring Car better than F! because of the close battles and sometimes watching you an Tim is just as much fun. Hats off to you both.

Mind you, it helps if you crash out early... ;)

I would imagine it helps you if Tim crashes out early as well, right?  ;D

That wouldn't help me though!  ;D

That's the idea!  :D

LOL yes. Don't punt him off though!

That's entirely up to him!  ::)

hehe