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Title: UKGTL Season 11 World Prototype Cup - Interlagos (1973-1989) - Jun 13
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on June 06, 2011, 01:13:46 PM +0100
All members welcome.

Grid/server capacity: 28

Practice: ~19:20 (60 mins)
Qualifying: 20:20 (20 mins)
Race: 20:40 (22 laps = ~60mins)

Track: Interlagos - Autodromo José Carlos Pace 1979 Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54520#post_interlagos79)

Cars allowed:

GROUP S5.0

Porsche 917K Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#post_porsche917k) Note: This is V2.0. If you have the older version you should un-install it and replace with this.

Ferrari 512S Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#post_ferrari512s)

GROUP P3.0

Matra Simca MS650 Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#post_matra_simca)

GROUP P2.0

Healey Repco XR37 Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#post_healey_xr37)

McLaren M1A Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#post_mclaren_m1a)

Chevron B16 Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#post_chevron_b16) Note: This is a revised version which has improved sound and some other improvements. Also the Mazda powered car has been removed.

Drivers are reminded that the maximum number of drives in any group is five.

Time of Day Setting: 16:00
Start: STANDING
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: Normal

Server: simracing.org.uk WPC
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(2) Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.uk Rules.
(3) The AI control should be turned off so that you have control of the car at all times, including pitting. Your player file should therefore read
Autopit="0"
Force Autopit Off="1" // Forces autopit always off
No AI Control="1" // AI never has control over car
If you still finding pitting problematic, experience tells us that its less to do with positioning and more to do with approach speed. A slow approach to pit crew chief has proved most reliable.
(4) Driver lists can be found on the Championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=318&theme=5)

Special Notes: Some of the cars have a "Modern Compound" tyre choice. Can I ask that all drivers do not use these tyres please.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 11 World Prototype Cup - Interlagos (1973-1989) - Jun 13
Post by: ginsters sponsored on June 08, 2011, 09:33:09 PM +0100
Haven't tried the combo out yet but I'll prolly go with something Group 2 for this. Hope I have some company :)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 11 World Prototype Cup - Interlagos (1973-1989) - Jun 13
Post by: Mike Miller on June 08, 2011, 11:43:43 PM +0100
Haven't tried the combo out yet but I'll prolly go with something Group 2 for this. Hope I have some company :)

I'll join you in Group 2 if I'm not working in the city.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 11 World Prototype Cup - Interlagos (1973-1989) - Jun 13
Post by: M Cinderby on June 10, 2011, 04:12:33 PM +0100
 :) Group 5 please, I'll master these beasts if it kills me...............and it probably will.  ;D


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 11 World Prototype Cup - Interlagos (1973-1989) - Jun 13
Post by: BillThomas on June 10, 2011, 07:01:18 PM +0100
Chevron B16 (not Cosse) about my limit. Do I get concessionary rate not to be limited to 5 drives in this group? After all entitled to one for transport!
 


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 11 World Prototype Cup - Interlagos (1973-1989) - Jun 13
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on June 10, 2011, 07:25:06 PM +0100
Chevron B16 (not Cosse) about my limit. Do I get concessionary rate not to be limited to 5 drives in this group? After all entitled to one for transport!
 
I'd like to see you broaden your horizons Bill Thomas. May join you but in the Healey.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 11 World Prototype Cup - Interlagos (1973-1989) - Jun 13
Post by: BillThomas on June 11, 2011, 10:49:59 AM +0100
Chevron B16 (not Cosse) about my limit. Do I get concessionary rate not to be limited to 5 drives in this group? After all entitled to one for transport!
 
I'd like to see you broaden your horizons Bill Thomas. May join you but in the Healey.

Didn't you notice I did that last Thursday?  ::)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 11 World Prototype Cup - Interlagos (1973-1989) - Jun 13
Post by: BillThomas on June 11, 2011, 11:39:54 AM +0100
With B16 Ford, getting Xd red warnings for oil and water temps  ??? - only for a few secs, no adjustment on GTL? Grin and bear it.  ::)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 11 World Prototype Cup - Interlagos (1973-1989) - Jun 13
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on June 11, 2011, 12:55:07 PM +0100
With B16 Ford, getting Xd red warnings for oil and water temps  ??? - only for a few secs, no adjustment on GTL? Grin and bear it.  ::)
The Chevrons have all proved to be troublesome and I was in two minds whether to include them or not. If they are to bad I'll drop them. I don't think the BMW powered car has this problem. I'll be testing the others later today to see how bad they are i.e. if they last a race or not.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 11 World Prototype Cup - Interlagos (1973-1989) - Jun 13
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on June 11, 2011, 03:34:43 PM +0100
Been race testing the Chevrons. The BMW is the easiest to drive, doesn't need to have the revs watched but does feel slower than the others. Both the Ford and Cosworth run hot but if you watch the revs and select the right cogs they should last the distance. The Ford is nice to drive whilst the Cosworth is a slippery character with lovely drift characteristics as long as they don't catch you out. For all the cars I preferred to decrease the camber for a bit more "feel" through the wheel.

I have included the Mclaren M1A in the slower group. It's an older car but some may enjoy the challenge  :o

The Healey feels slow but is a nicer car to drive than I thought it would be.

I think I'll take a Chevron (Ford or Cosworth) just to see if it will last the distance and not explode!


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 11 World Prototype Cup - Interlagos (1973-1989) - Jun 13
Post by: Pelle_B on June 11, 2011, 04:01:02 PM +0100
I've been out of the race in a long time  >:( ...but can I resevere a 917K?


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 11 World Prototype Cup - Interlagos (1973-1989) - Jun 13
Post by: Mike Miller on June 11, 2011, 04:02:16 PM +0100
I too tested the group 2 cars last night (didn't have a go in the mclaren as it wasn't offered then). The Healey drove very nice and was running the same pace as the Ford and BMW Chevrons. The Cosi Chevron is quite a bit quicker, but the handling is spooky at best. I had to make radical setup adjustments just to keep it on the road. It still isn't to my liking, but at least it is predictable now. I'll likely drive it because I'm considerably quicker in that then the others.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 11 World Prototype Cup - Interlagos (1973-1989) - Jun 13
Post by: BillThomas on June 11, 2011, 04:18:15 PM +0100
Agree, Chevron Ford is nicest drive - just have to watch engine life & short shift if necessary.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 11 World Prototype Cup - Interlagos (1973-1989) - Jun 13
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on June 11, 2011, 04:22:39 PM +0100
I've been out of the race in a long time  >:( ...but can I resevere a 917K?

Nice to have you back Pelle. No need to reserve cars for this series. Just turn up and take what you want. Only restriction is a maximum of 5 races in any group.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 11 World Prototype Cup - Interlagos (1973-1989) - Jun 13
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on June 11, 2011, 04:24:26 PM +0100
Agree, Chevron Ford is nicest drive - just have to watch engine life & short shift if necessary.

I found playing with the individual cogs helped keep out of the red, particularly 4th and 5th gears. If you want I'll pm you the ratios I used.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 11 World Prototype Cup - Interlagos (1973-1989) - Jun 13
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on June 11, 2011, 04:26:19 PM +0100
I too tested the group 2 cars last night (didn't have a go in the mclaren as it wasn't offered then). The Healey drove very nice and was running the same pace as the Ford and BMW Chevrons. The Cosi Chevron is quite a bit quicker, but the handling is spooky at best. I had to make radical setup adjustments just to keep it on the road. It still isn't to my liking, but at least it is predictable now. I'll likely drive it because I'm considerably quicker in that then the others.
If you think the Chevron handles bad you need to try the Mclaren! BTW I've asked Dave to update the link.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 11 World Prototype Cup - Interlagos (1973-1989) - Jun 13
Post by: Pelle_B on June 11, 2011, 04:37:34 PM +0100
I've been out of the race in a long time  >:( ...but can I resevere a 917K?

Nice to have you back Pelle. No need to reserve cars for this series. Just turn up and take what you want. Only restriction is a maximum of 5 races in any group.
Thx  :thumbup1:...I hope my first training will be done without pain, but unfortunately there are days where I think the doctor has forgotten a screwdriver in the back  :o ...& I miss racing against you  ;)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 11 World Prototype Cup - Interlagos (1973-1989) - Jun 13
Post by: BillThomas on June 11, 2011, 07:19:34 PM +0100
Agree, Chevron Ford is nicest drive - just have to watch engine life & short shift if necessary.

I found playing with the individual cogs helped keep out of the red, particularly 4th and 5th gears. If you want I'll pm you the ratios I used.

Yes please Tony.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 11 World Prototype Cup - Interlagos (1973-1989) - Jun 13
Post by: ginsters sponsored on June 12, 2011, 09:49:34 AM +0100
Cosi Chevron is quite a bit quicker, but the handling is spooky at best. I had to make radical setup adjustments just to keep it on the road. It still isn't to my liking, but at least it is predictable now. I'll likely drive it because I'm considerably quicker in that then the others.

In that case, you'll not have anyone to race anyone again  :) Only tried the Healey and that'll do for me, great fun.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 11 World Prototype Cup - Interlagos (1973-1989) - Jun 13
Post by: BillThomas on June 12, 2011, 11:05:32 AM +0100
Is server up can't see it.  ::) ???


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 11 World Prototype Cup - Interlagos (1973-1989) - Jun 13
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on June 12, 2011, 12:50:26 PM +0100
Is server up can't see it.  ::) ???
Server up now Bill Thomas. Sorry I must have forgotten to turn back on after some fiddling last night


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 11 World Prototype Cup - Interlagos (1973-1989) - Jun 13
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on June 12, 2011, 12:52:46 PM +0100
Agree, Chevron Ford is nicest drive - just have to watch engine life & short shift if necessary.

I found playing with the individual cogs helped keep out of the red, particularly 4th and 5th gears. If you want I'll pm you the ratios I used.

Yes please Tony.

ygm


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 11 World Prototype Cup - Interlagos (1973-1989) - Jun 13
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on June 12, 2011, 03:59:16 PM +0100
Just finished a full length race against the AI. Pleased to report that the Chevron Ford, although running with red oil and water and a fine plume of smoke down the straights, never gets close to blowing up.  :angel:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 11 World Prototype Cup - Interlagos (1973-1989) - Jun 13
Post by: M Cinderby on June 13, 2011, 11:03:09 AM +0100
Just finished a full length race against the AI. Pleased to report that the Chevron Ford, although running with red oil and water and a fine plume of smoke down the straights, never gets close to blowing up.  :angel:
You must have over filled the oil tank Tony.  ;D


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 11 World Prototype Cup - Interlagos (1973-1989) - Jun 13
Post by: BillThomas on June 13, 2011, 12:12:04 PM +0100
Just finished a full length race against the AI. Pleased to report that the Chevron Ford, although running with red oil and water and a fine plume of smoke down the straights, never gets close to blowing up.  :angel:

Thanks Tony that's encouraging.  ;D


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 11 World Prototype Cup - Interlagos (1973-1989) - Jun 13
Post by: goldtop on June 13, 2011, 12:54:29 PM +0100
Group 2 for me. I like the Healey, but the BMW Chevron is a lot of fun and about the same pace for me so I'll probably take that.

I changed the internal sounds of the BMW to the Ford audio as they seemed a bit odd, so I hope that doesn't throw up any mismatches (think I've done this with others cars and they were ok).

The McLaren is very entertaining and not as bad as I remember it being, but I'm well off pace with that.

This series deserves a big turnout imo and I hope we see good grid numbers tonight.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 11 World Prototype Cup - Interlagos (1973-1989) - Jun 13
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on June 13, 2011, 01:05:56 PM +0100
I agree that the BMW sound is a bit off. Perhaps you can explain what you did GT so that others can switch too?

I'm suprised that no-one has publicly claimed the Mantra. It's a fine car once you get over the rev noise!


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 11 World Prototype Cup - Interlagos (1973-1989) - Jun 13
Post by: goldtop on June 13, 2011, 01:36:32 PM +0100
I agree that the BMW sound is a bit off. Perhaps you can explain what you did GT so that others can switch too?


Go to Gamedata>Teams>ExtraCars>Chevron_B16 and select the car whose file you wish to change (you'll need to make a note of the car# from in game).
Click on the CAR file and make a backup copy to desktop (or wherever).
Go back to the GTL files and locate the car whose sound you wish to use.
Open the CAR file in notepad and copy the name of that car's sound file (4th line down).
Are you still with me :)
Now go back to the file of the car whose sound you wish to change and replace it's sound name with that of the sound you wish to replace it with (paste it :))

If you get a mismatch, you have a copy of the original CAR file. You did make a copy didn't you :)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 11 World Prototype Cup - Interlagos (1973-1989) - Jun 13
Post by: Legzy on June 13, 2011, 09:51:53 PM +0100
Great car that Healey Repco. An instant favourite with me, just handled how I want my car to drive 8) 8)

Good race long battle with Tony, never quite sure how it would pan out. The classic me faster in the corners & Tony quicker on the straights 8)

Congrats finishers.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 11 World Prototype Cup - Interlagos (1973-1989) - Jun 13
Post by: goldtop on June 13, 2011, 10:04:15 PM +0100
I too thoroughly enjoyed the drive in the Chevron BMW. Although the car graphics are a little basic, the driving model and the (modded) sounds more than make up for it. Great sense of being in the car  8)

Don't know about anyone else but I was knackered with about 5 laps to go....must be me age creeping up  ::)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 11 World Prototype Cup - Interlagos (1973-1989) - Jun 13
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on June 13, 2011, 10:15:27 PM +0100
Replay and results now posted.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 11 World Prototype Cup - Interlagos (1973-1989) - Jun 13
Post by: Mike Miller on June 13, 2011, 11:12:22 PM +0100
I had 4th all locked up until my mother-in-law (who doesn't speak much english) said there was someone at the door who wanted to talk to me. I pulled off to the side of the road just before the start/finish for a little 3 minute break. Shame how real life gets in the way of racing.

I really liked that Healy. I had to make some drastic changes to dial out the understeer. It was odd that the car didn't respond well to changes. In the end, I cranked up the rear bar to max and dropped the front bar a few clicks, fiddled with the shock and spring settings as well.

Congrats to Mark for the win and what seemed to be great pace.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 11 World Prototype Cup - Interlagos (1973-1989) - Jun 13
Post by: ginsters sponsored on June 14, 2011, 10:37:32 AM +0100
Encouraging turnout for a Monday night, congrats Tony. Was there another race some went to?

No time for pracci left me a bit undercooked pace wise but had a ball. Bogged down at start, apologies to all. Had a fun time coming back with nice little fights with Ade, the Healey looks amazing from all angles, and GT. Then stuck with not a hope of catching Mike and having the occasional 917 and chronic understeer for company but  still enjoyed it as even hotlapping in these cars is fun. Tough break Mike as your pace easily deserved the win but there's always next week :)

Congrats to all and standards were spot on, not easy with the difference in pace (McNish anyone?). Great result for Team KC.


I had 4th all locked up until my mother-in-law (who doesn't speak much english) said there was someone at the door who wanted to talk to me. I pulled off to the side of the road just before the start/finish for a little 3 minute break. Shame how real life gets in the way of racing.

Put your frame/desk closer to the door and tell them to bugger off I'm racing, kind of :)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 11 World Prototype Cup - Interlagos (1973-1989) - Jun 13
Post by: M Cinderby on June 14, 2011, 12:00:03 PM +0100
 :) A really nice race for me finally mastering the 917 especially after the embarrassment of the Spa 24 Hour fiasco. I only had 2 small offets in the whole race. It has a real buzz going flat out up the hill from the left hand-er at the bottom eventually coming onto the finish straight (not sue on corner names sorry). I managed to get the Porsche set up spot on for me it was great. Since I was so far a head I decided to set my self the task of lapping the cars in my class but could not quite catch Pelle before the finish.  ;D

I did the whole race on softs and just had a little red in the wear bar left at the end with the car still handling quite well. Congratulations to all whom finished and every one whom got out of the way of the flying Porsche so professionally top driving guys many thanks.  :thumbup2:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 11 World Prototype Cup - Interlagos (1973-1989) - Jun 13
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on June 14, 2011, 12:34:52 PM +0100
Encouraging turnout for a Monday night, congrats Tony. Was there another race some went to?

No time for pracci left me a bit undercooked pace wise but had a ball. Bogged down at start, apologies to all. Had a fun time coming back with nice little fights with Ade, the Healey looks amazing from all angles, and GT. Then stuck with not a hope of catching Mike and having the occasional 917 and chronic understeer for company but  still enjoyed it as even hotlapping in these cars is fun. Tough break Mike as your pace easily deserved the win but there's always next week :)

Congrats to all and standards were spot on, not easy with the difference in pace (McNish anyone?). Great result for Team KC.


I had 4th all locked up until my mother-in-law (who doesn't speak much english) said there was someone at the door who wanted to talk to me. I pulled off to the side of the road just before the start/finish for a little 3 minute break. Shame how real life gets in the way of racing.

Put your frame/desk closer to the door and tell them to bugger off I'm racing, kind of :)

Just a footnote..........these races are fortnightly, not weekly.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 11 World Prototype Cup - Interlagos (1973-1989) - Jun 13
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on June 14, 2011, 12:36:01 PM +0100
I was quite pleased with the way that turned out. Could have used a few more drivers but I don't think that diminished the enjoyement of the event too much. And no cars blew up which was nice. Shame about Navin having to leave and Mike being interupted (I thought you guys had guns?). C'mon get your priorities sorted willya?
Had a last minute change of mind and took the Matra as I thought it was going to be overlooked. Nice to see Helle decided to take it too and claim the new lap record for this make. Shame you didn't last the course.
Most of my race was spent either in front of, but usually behind Legzy, who I could banzai on the straights but lost out to on the slower twisty bits. Unfortunately I had set my gearing with a really long 2nd gear and this meant I had no power at those tight apex's.
Although I had fitted hard tyres by lap 15'ish they were giving up and my driving suffered and I had several offs. The last one took me out into the brazilian countryside and I lost touch with Mr L. Still I had a blast screaming around this fab circuit (now in my top 10, so expect to see it appear in the future).
BTW was I warping last night? There was a moment about mid way through when I lost sight of everyone on track. I thought great I'm out but then as quick as it went it came back again and was sound for the remainder of the race.

Hope to see you all at Kyalami.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 11 World Prototype Cup - Interlagos (1973-1989) - Jun 13
Post by: Alex vV on June 14, 2011, 08:38:02 PM +0100

Unofficial LapChart (http://www.justanotherpage.nl/Srou/GTL/79InterJun11/)

Just finished a full length race against the AI. Pleased to report that the Chevron Ford, although running with red oil and water and a fine plume of smoke down the straights, never gets close to blowing up.  :angel:
Yup, finished the race with engine life 100% although regularly in the red on the straights.

Congrats to all and standards were spot on, not easy with the difference in pace (McNish anyone?). Great result for Team KC.

When I was halfway on the straight in my little Chevron and saw a 917 at the beginning, I had to pull over at the end. Closing speeds were really fast  :o
Pity the 430 Am drivers who got all the flack. It's not easy to gauge these prototype monsters.

Nice race.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 11 World Prototype Cup - Interlagos (1973-1989) - Jun 13
Post by: Legzy on June 14, 2011, 10:08:26 PM +0100
BTW was I warping last night? There was a moment about mid way through when I lost sight of everyone on track. I thought great I'm out but then as quick as it went it came back again and was sound for the remainder of the race.
Yes & no.
You were warping quite a bit in the early couple of laps, jumping round a bit, a few meters each way kind of thing, not too bad but then I got left behind quite quickly & then a lap or so later when I caught you again, all was well.
But I too lost everyone about half way through, somebody had just lapped us a few secs earlier & then boom, everyone was gone, twice in a minute. It behaved the whole rest of the race, no warping no probs at all. :)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 11 World Prototype Cup - Interlagos (1973-1989) - Jun 13
Post by: Pelle_B on June 14, 2011, 11:51:39 PM +0100
Big grats Cinderby...& unbelievable you could get your soft to keep the entire race  :thumbup1:

My preparation was not quite as planned (just been in hospital & had surgery) & fell asleep a couple hours before the race & woke up last minute, 28 sec two race  :o
I drove at Intermedia & the last half car was more & more impossible to run. Henry was in the pit about half way & I thought it was for new tires, but no: StopNgo.
It gave me second place & I bet therefore keeping finish without pit stop...but the last 2 laps I thought the tires would blow  8)

Happy to finish as number 2 after a long break from Sim race  ;)