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And now to round 4 with a welcome return to Silverstone which we have not seen since Season 18. Tim FMG heads up the Works with Ronnie doing likewise in the Privates.

The Works will run on PRO Damage and Privateers will run on Intermediate Damage with the allowance of ONE shift-R reset. No Shift-Rs are allowed in practice unless authorized by the moderator. A Shift-R (fault or not) MUST be followed by a Stop & Go. A Shift-R for tyres/fuel is not allowed. Any driver taking more then ONE Shift-R OR failing to take a Stop & Go will be disqualified from the race result.

Race List = IGOR
Server(s);
Works = UKGPL_Gpg
IP address = 62.195.32.131
Privateers = UKGPL_T7_2
IP address = 62.149.202.168
Race date = 19-06-2011
Time = 21:00 UK time
Track = Silverstone
Variant = 67F1
Damage Model = Works; PRO / Privateers; INT
Qualifying time = 35 minutes. Don't start until 30 mins left on clock to allow everyone to join.
Race length = 50 minutes (laps 34)
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Driver lists can be found on the Works (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=302&theme=6) or Privateers (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=303&theme=6) championship standings pages.
The track can be downloaded from : papy original
Add-on’s available at : n/a

Please be in IGOR UKGPL chatroom by 8:50 pm UK Time

Reserve drivers should not join the server(s) until there are only 30 minutes of qualifying left. Please restrict chat to pit messages. Moderating will be by reported incidents only, however the moderators reserve the right to review any incident with a particular emphasis on lap one. The aim is to review the race the following weekend so incident reports should be submitted within five days of the race (ie the following Friday). We're hopeful most incidents can be resolved amicably and recommend a days deep breath with a replay review before posting. A sorry in the forum won't be taken as an automatic admission of guilt by the moderators. There will be FULL moderation of lap one regardless of whether you submit an incident report.
The Works will run on PRO Damage and Privateers will run on Intermediate Damage with the allowance of ONE shift-R reset. No Shift-Rs are allowed in practice unless authorized by the moderator. A Shift-R (fault or not) MUST be followed by a Stop & Go. A Shift-R for tyres/fuel is not allowed. Any driver taking more then ONE Shift-R OR failing to take a Stop & Go will be disqualified from the race result.

With the token system chassis strategy will be a factor. A driver must have sufficient tokens for the chassis he drives in the race.  Any driver who does not have sufficient tokens will be disqualified from the result and his tokens will be set to zero.

Chassis costs;
Lotus 20 / Eagle 17 / Ferrari 15 / Brabham 10 / Cooper 5 / Honda 3 / BRM 0

To see your current tokens hover your mouse over your total points on the Works (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=302&theme=6) or Privateers (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=303&theme=6) championship standings pages. Ten tokens will be added when you cross the start line.

There are two 67 Championships, namely Works and Privateers. The driver split will be;

WORKS drivers

Arf Arf Arf	Baab	Beefpie
Evil Clive	Fulvio Policardi	Tim FMG
Hristo Itchov	ivandjj	John Roberts
Rick Nauman	Sam B	Tom van O
Jethro W	Karliss (R)	Will Tway (R)

PRIVATEERS drivers

Bernie	Billy	Blito
Hannah	Fabio L	Mike T
Mike (miner)	Nigel Smith	Ronnie P
Ross N	Skymole 2173	Vosblod
Paul (Badblood) (R)	Steve Bird (R)	Happy Al (R)
PaulWBird (R)	Martin (Maddog)	Geoff Heard

67 Patch: The 1.3 Release of the 67mod can be used.

NOTE: Please ensure you join the correct server, due to the way we import if you start the race on the wrong server your result will not count.

REPLAYS
Privateers server replays will be posted in the usual place after the event. Works will now be posted at http://grandprix.xs4all.nl/ (http://grandprix.xs4all.nl/) . When downloading please check the timetable for other races and DO NOT download while another race is being run.


Silverstone is built on the site of a World War II bomber base, RAF Silverstone, which opened in 1943. The track hosted the first F1 championship race in 1950. The British Grand Prix has been permanently held here since 1987. The airfield's three runways, in classic WWII triangle format, lie within the outline of the present track. The first two races were held on the runways themselves, with the 1949 International Trophy switching to the perimeter track. This arrangement was used for the 1950 and 1951 Grands Prix. In 1952 the start line was moved from the Farm Straight to the present Finish Straight, and this layout remained largely unaltered for the following 35 years. Since 1975 the track has been modified with the introduction of chicanes etc – we are using the 1960’s layout.

I've noticed, my name does not appear in the list for Privateers.  This may be the reason, my brake pedal has decided to break in two, a second time.  My antique wheel already bit the dust, several weeks ago.  So I just whipped out the Araldite, a second time. Only this time, to attempt a stronger bond, I stuck the injured item in a low oven, and the whole thing has now melted!  So no need to add my name - I'm stuck with being a nonstarter, until further notice.  :'(

Tell me this is not true!!!!!  :(

You have just got to come up with a fix before tonight. Good luck.

what a bummer :(
these wheels just are not quite strong enough for GPL style abuse.... my thrustmaster is only 14 months old and already has a damaged mounting bolt and inoperative gear paddles!

My MSFF is more than 10 years old and working almost fine.  ;D

I used to have a non-FF MS wheel and it was the business.. lost it when i moved house :(

Sorry to hear re the wheel troubles Martin. Anyway you were registered so put you on the list, hope you get things sorted soon.

Things are complicated by the fact I'm moving house again ATM.  I've had an offer from Cookie, to send his spare wheel from Germany.  I might accept his overwhelming gesture, so as not to miss too much.  Oh, the accompanying sound, is only my teeth gnashing!  :(

Save up and scrounge a G25.....even secondhand if necessary.......They're hard as nails and take all we can dish out   :)

Costly business in more ways than one, this moving caper.......... >:(

Thanks for the 'Get well soon cards'.  It's more a question of attitude than money - a more serious investment, may mean a more serious attitude.  Axel has come to the rescue, while I decide. ;)

Sorry to here that Martin , hope you get off the intensive care list soon  :)


Been having probs myself of the grafix kind , all started when I decided to clean the pedal pots and dust the PC out , dont think they like being Hoovered  ::)

Hopefully now back in business  :)

Both servers are set to 34 laps Long race.
Ciao

Many thanks Fulvio.

Looks like I'm going to miss this due to spending the entire weekend at Combe and getting back home late today  :(

Bye Bye championship lead  :'(

another early bath!

Went off a T1 and had to reset, waiting for people to go past at race pace and got ran into; should have just floored the thing and got in everyones way cos being nice doesn't seem to work.

Teach me for going off in the first place I guess.  :(

After running GPL all affy , thought the grafix problem had blown away but sadly dyring qually it started to play up again , thinking it was a cooling problem a quick dash to the garage to obtain a ruddy great fan rigged to blow cold air onto said carrd , back into Igor for the dying minutes of qually but sadly the old radeon GTO gave up the ghost on lap1 giving me a black screen   ::)

Hope I didnt spoil anyones race , couldnt see if I was stationary on track or not so pulled the plug to leave  :-\

looks like the season is over for me now  :'( :'( :'(

Well, I did 9 laps tonight, more than I've done in all other races put together. Got past Evil off the grid, but he was straight back on my tail, and I thought he'd overtake me going into to Stowe, but he seemed to back off. Coming into Club he had the opportunity but wasn't sure if he'd try again or wait fro the tyres to warm up. I deliberately tried to take the corner wide just in case, but got bumped and span. The remaining 8 laps were lonely although I could see a group of three cars getting closer and closer before my engine went. Again.

Both tonight and in PSC on Friday, I had done a lot of laps in practice (in full damage mode) without any mechanical gremlins at all. I don't rev the engine as high in the actual races, and yet the engine expires. I don't know if its my setup or my driving style. As such, can I check if I'm approaching a race the right way;

I was in the Cooper tonight. For my RACE setup I used Dark's '67v1 Silverstone 1m27s982' setup as a starting point (from Alt Track Database). Is this a good start point, or is this a hotlapping setup unsuitable for a race? In any case I lengthened top gear in the belief this would protect the engine. I also lengthened 2nd one increment because it was too twitchy for me coming out of Copse and Becketts. After running for 7/8 laps in this setup I saw the the rear temps were in very high 200s, and fronts were in 230s, so I reduced all pressures 1 psi, which got the rears down to 220s and fronts to 190s. (My qually setup was same without pressure changes)

Thanks

Arf

Well what a productive day I've had! My OH was at work for most of it and the children were elsewhere so I got out my guitar and spent 4 hours learning to play "the chain" by Fleetwood Mac....  It may be more familiar to you guys as the BBC F1 theme........
Also this morning I actually did some pre-race practice, just 30 minutes to sort out a setup for the Eagle... I had intended to do another "qualify last and storm through the field" type of race but even on full tanks I was near the front of the grid so I did what I hardly ever do - I drained the tanks and went for it! Result - 3rd on the grid!
My start was smooth and thanks to the Ross/Ronnie T1 fun I slipped straight into a lead which I held all race. Only problem (apart from grass-tracking a couple of times) was that I had short fueld the car and had to cruise home for the last 10 laps... literally coasting down the straights going 3 to 4 secs slower than i could but with such a huge lead it mattered not.. I rossed the line with just over half a gallon left and half a minute in hand over Ross..
All in all, I was lucky. Everyone else had problems and I just cruised home to my first UKGPL win....

Bernie - hope you can find a replacement card soon m8.

BIG CONGRATS M8. Well done. :jumpjoy:

No more Mr Midfield. ;)

Bernie, might have a spare card. Let me know what you need by PM and I'll see if I have something.

Hmmm, race prep included a Father's Day barbecue with about half a barbecued pig, some lamb and a bottle of Rioja.

Was fully prepared to quit if the alcohol affected me but I was surprisingly stable and have since ordered some more Rioja for the other races.

Qually was average and I planned a slow and steady start after blowing my engine on the grid last time out.

Things changed when a sneaky Cooper from Wigan shot up the inside and I intended to follow him nutil he was headed for danger and I emerged from T1 in second, so all I had to do was follow Blito to the flag.

that went OK for a few laps until I ran wide at Chapel and dropped down then got into a nice battle with Vos behind me who was quicker on the first half of the circuit but fell away on the back half. Then the same thing happened to me that happened at Westwood, my tyres seemed to heat at the rear and I couldn't get the power down and got into a tank slapper exiting Copse. it will look like somebody just driving up a bank but I was fighting the car like crazy.

I emerged from my SnG in 9th and set about climbing back up the field where I got stuck at 5th after some synchronised spinning with DikiWaza. I had the pace to catch Michael in 5th but when I started to push the tyres would heat and the car became unpredictable causing a few small issues so i drive it home to 5th which at 9 o'clock seemed a long way away.

BTW Tim, I gave the corner to you at Club but you were too much of a gentleman to take it. i don't think I would have been so understanding LOL. good battle while it lasted though.

Thanks chaps its a Radion X800GTO AGP now more or less redundant  :-\

Spotted this on fleebay

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250838986792&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250838986792&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT)

Any good for replacement ?

So frustrated with qually so abandoned my usual delicate tippy toe start and was determined to head the pack of jackels into T1 ,

Now left wondering what might have been the outcome  ::)

Bernie, you almost certainly have a PCI slot free so you don't have to get AGP. That would do though if you can trust the seller.

As for the race. OOPS. I forgot about the token cost and took the Eagle as it is the only car I had a setup for. Sadly I only had thirteen tokens. So DQ for me. Sorry to waste everybody's time. Forgot that you have to take the start to get the tokens and I abandoned Valentino because I was a positive danger :(

What a waste of two hours :(

The 9600XT will be fine Bernie - I used to have one myself and it was perfect for GPL. The asking price does seem quite steep for what is now an old card - a quick search on EBay found several other examples that are  much cheaper.

At least you got some more experience.  :)

Well done Jason and Tom.
Good race for me, my first silverware in a while so pleased. Qually was tough as there was lots of traffic and was down on my PB. It put me in 4th (I think), after Joe's faux pas, but I figured I could possibly go quicker and hence have a remote shout for golden balls.

Off we go ho ho ho and I see fire ahead and cars astruddel then wham bham thankyou maam and I'm a spinner. Stopping to direct the oncoming traffic I then jumped back in and headed off last thinking this will be a lonely one. Lo and behold there seemed to be a second lap one contretemps, which I avoided, and bumped me back up a few spots (don't envy the moderator - oh it's me ;))
Anyway highlight one is I'm 4th or 5th and right in Mike's pipes. Two Lotii head to head but for lap after lap I couldn't get a run on him nor could he completely shake me. However a little known fact about my teammate is he's also a closet myrmecologist and, fortunately for me, he spotted an Acanthomyops claviger on the side of the track and was compelled to take a closer look.
After that I had a series of solo laps, in second, and started to feel a bit comfy although Prib insisted on playing mindtricks by telling me I was passing Blito only to dash my hopes a few seconds later.
The penultimate stage was noticing that Ross was consistently showing at 680 yards behind, and closing, with a bakers dozen or more laps to go. A man to be reckoned with I started thinking strategies at which point I spun and let him straight past ;D
Off my stride after that the final stage became engine protection and a cruise into third.

A big thanks to those I lapped who were gents. Also well pleased with a team two three so well done Ross.

I thought you had spotted a lesser known Mycocepurus Smithii ;)

BTW Arf I do think sometimes those engine blow-outs can sometimes crop up randomly. That said I used to blow them all the time, especially 67's, when I started but found things improved by completely lifting off for a change up and being careful when I changed down not to let it overrev. Apprarently GPL keeps a 'score' over a race or so I was told.

Dont think I have any PCI slots,  my puter is now an OAP too  ;D

This is a great card and can still rival many of the current PCI-E cards in pure performance, although it doesn't support the latest shaders and stuff, but you don't need that for GPL anyway:

http://cgi.ebay.com/nVIDIA-GeForce-7950-GT-512-MB-AGP-3D-Video-Card-7950GT-/280687487552?pt=UK_Computing_Computer_Components_Graphics_Video_TV_Cards_TW&hash=item415a472a40#ht_2530wt_950

My special Congrats too Jason you deserve it!

Cheeeeers  :chef:

Grats Blito!  ;D

Please accept my apologies chaps for being the ping-pong catalyst at Copse on L1. I forgot about the BT24's notoriously bad cold-tyre grip level, and turning into Copse the back came round smacking me into the wall. I was an unwilling passenger after that. Apologies to Fabio as you were my first target after the wall launched me across the track. After bouncing off you and going out of bounds.....it then headed back towards the track, where Bill launched me skyward for another round of bump and grind. Amazingly, it was undamaged.

Qually was tough to get a clean lap without traffic or a mistake. The car actually felt better on full tanks than in Q mode. Was surprised to find myself 5th after discounting the time set by our Works intruder. I'd done mid 29's in  practice, but couldn't seem to put a clean lap together at all. Congratulations Ronnie on landing pole.
Got a steady start as practice starts had shown the thing to be happy to turn itself inside out when starting from the inside.....so I elected to take it quietly. Check your start Arf, if you gave it a big bag of revs off the line, no matter how well you treat it after that...the cold engine damage usually makes it fail. Then the ah.....mayhem ensued. After finally getting going again we were making pretty good time. I seemed to be catching the cars in front at a fairly good rate. Got past Mike when he had an excursion on lap 2 to snag 6th place then on lap 3 chased Paul Bird into Becketts, sneaking past on the apex, but I think you may have got a bit of a warp kick there Paul....cos you vanished from the mirrors....sorry about that. Al let me by on lap 4, ta mate which promoted me to 3rd then spent the next 3 laps odd chasing Steve Bird down, whom also let me by into 2nd. Thanks mate. Lap 10 approaching Becketts, braked at the same point I had every previous lap.....and it snapped right and deposited me on the infield facing the wrong way, as usual. Got going again in 7th and tried to settle down into a rythm as I was quite pissed off with it after that little stunt. Felt like giving it "a damn, good thrashing" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78b67l_yxUc
Caught Diki and Al at Stowe and laid a neat pass on Diki into the corner.......however Al was hogging the apex.... :o, and being unable to get on the gas, or, punch his Fezza up the quoit if I did, I elected to stay off the pedal and drifted thru and off the other side. It's not good form to rearend your teammates. Drifted back to 9th with that wee escapade......so set off after the field once more.
Took 8th from a Mike James indiscretion then 6th on lap 13 after Diki had a spin at Copse and Al very gentlemanly let me by. Laid chase to Mike Turner who was next up the road catching he and Hannah at about the same time. Hannah moved over out of Becketts to let us past and I was line astern behind Mike. Mike then got the tent and sleeping bag out and camped on the apex at Chapel, and though desperately trying to avoid him I clipped his rear wheel and spun out into the boondocks........getting stuck on the grassy fence miles from Hangar straight and leaving him to continue unaffected..... :-\ Took a reset here and a s-n-g next past the pits but my race was pretty much finished soon after. Clipped the kerb at Chapel which sent me around again. The Brab has this weird brake thing going on when you try to take off slow......a few dips at the clutch to get it to move....then it dropped a cylinder. Hit escape in disgust after driving it into the wall at Stowe. not turning those wheels, don't need 'em. Congrats to the podium, happy to see two of those chaps were ClarkHill boys. Pity we couldn't have applied the blowtorch of pressure to Jason......another time maybe..... ;D

Well done Jason, congratulations on the first win.

Looks the nuts Hristo, but dont think the price can be justified given the age and built in redundancy of my PC  :)

Interesting race there Geoff , a whole season of incedents in one race , by the sound of it you sure do things the hard way down under  ;D

First off, well done Jason, a well derversed first victory.

I wasn't sure if I was going to race this one. I hadn't done any pratice and haven't driven any 67 cars for quite a while. I got back home just about in time, so I joined the race. I didn't really have a setup fro teh Ferrari, so just went with what I had. First few laps were horrible I didn't know the car, and the track is a bit different in a 67 car. I took it really easy, trying to learn brake points, turn in etc. I've got to say that at this point I was very close to calling it a day, as I didn't want to be a danger to anyone. Luckily it started to come together and I just sent the rest of pratice going around, and around learning everything.

At the start of the race I took it easy. I backed of early at the first corner, I noticed that there was noone giving me any pressure, so I had space to be careful. I was glad I did because there were cars all over the place, I managed to zig, zag my way past a few. I did get a few tags, but nothing that sent me spinning. I got done to putting in a few laps, and settleing into the race. At some point I looked a Prib to find myself in 3rd.... even started to get a nose bleed I was so high up.

The cars behind me where quite a bit faster, and started to real me in fairly quickly. I noticed that there were a few of my team mates in the group too. I knew that I could never keep them behind, I tried to cover my lines but they all got past me quite quickly and pulled away. Sorry about blocking you Geoff, I was still in shock about being so high up, and I didn't notice that it was you who was behind me.

At some point Mike and DikiWazza both got past me, I managed to more or less keep with them. Mike got past Wazza put was taking pressure, I was pushing to keep up and maybe try a pass if there was a mistake.


I was right behind at this point, I also put my wheels onto the grass and did a 360 spin. So we did a 3 way synchronised spin :) I didn't know what happened to you guys, but you where both recovering on the track. I got past DikiWazza, but Mike was a little in front.

After the little spin, I managed to settle into some fast laps, Mike was pulling away, but I was pulling away from Wazza. I managed to get quite a good lead, and backed off as there was no chance of catching Mike. Of course as soon as I backed off I started going faster, nice smooth laps, and I set my fastest lap around this time, but I had a good series of laps all about teh same time.

With about 5 laps to go, I noctice my fuel was in teh red, and falling fast. I had no choice to to start to coast, and really save fuel. My lap times were 10 seconds off what I was doing. On the last lap I noticed that DikiWazza was closing the gap quite quickly so I picked up my pace again. Going down the last straight my engine started to stutter, and I wasn't sure if I was going to make it home. I finished with only a few seconds to spare, and managed to keep my place. My fuel ran out completely on the slowing down lap.

Overall I am very happy with my race. I nearly quit because I hadn't learnt the circuit with 67 cars. I expected to be at the back, so was quite surprised that I was mid grid. Even better that I finsihed so high (for me). Also a good result for the team.

Don't give up yet, Bernie - the Team Championship is still ours for the taking :lol:

A good race for me in some ways, and not in others.

Qualifying went well with a PB and another fun battle with Ronnie who pulled out a few tenths when he needed it to get pole. I got off the line better, and was trying to take a wide line through Copse when Ronnie slowed a little and I tagged his left rear. Completely my fault for following too closely. I reset to witness the ensuing carnage, seems my team-mate Geoff also made a contribution to it!

After my stop and go I had Ronnie right behind me so let him past, least I could do after ruining his race. After that it was great fun as we both picked our way through the field, until Ronnie made a mistake and I overtook him. He retired altogether soon after which allowed me to concentrate on catching second placed Vos. I was looking forward to a good fight with my teamie when he graciously went agricultural, leaving me with a yawning chasm to the flying Blito in first place.

I knew I couldn't catch him but tried to push hard anyway, if only to keep my concentration up. Pleased to cross the line in second place, with fastest lap. Overall I feel I've made a lot of progress at this track with my setup and driving style, and I'm finally getting comfortable with these powerful cars.

Congratulations to Jason on a first win since coming out of GPL retirement. Is your second career going to be more Lauda than Schumacher?

Good fun while it lasted. I was content qualifying 4th, and spent the first few laps watching the top 3 battle it out until I spun yet again. Rejoined behind Clive who kindly spun in front of me, and gained 4th back. A couple of spins later, I was behind Fulvio, enjoying chasing him but sadly real life intervened and I was needed elsewhere, so was forced to retire. Let's see how it goes at Kyalami  :).

Ross and I would like to announce the creation of a new sub-team. CHCCT or to be known in future, Clark Hill Carnage Creation Team   ;D How unlucky can we get.....I even warped my teamie Vosblod into a spin......from 8-10 feet away!! Surely my new connection isn't that bad? Anyone driving behind me have any trouble? Maybe it was just as it was so crowded........I hope :-[

Trust me Bernie, I could have done without all the excitement... :-\

Completely not your fault Ross and in no way did you ruin my race, I was more than capable of doing that myself.

There are many forms of bad luck. Like Martin not being able to race due to moving/wheel+pedal issues and driving an Eagle with a dodgy engine. She blew as we approached the first turn, that's why I slowed Ross, and then much later when we were scraping for third I think. Not a hint of any engine issues in the practice to the run up to this race but these things happen.

Congrats to the podium. As far as I know Jason won and Ross was second (great recovery by the way). Not sure who was third as the results have not been posted but well done whoever you are.

Hoping for better luck at Kyalami as I imagine Martin is as well (do you remember table top mountain last season Martin, I could do without an episode like that again).

Results uploaded, any Incident Reports by close of play Friday please. A provisional review of the Privateers shows that all complied with the reset / stop and go rules.
I have removed Beefpie from the Privateers qualifying as it was a genuine error, a good reminder to be careful to join the correct server. Also Paul Badblood is automatically excluded due to being a naughty boy with his tokens, the rules also reset him to zero.

Mods:
I think the wrong replay has been uploaded - went to http://grandprix.xs4all.nl/Results/Leagues/UKGPL/Season-2011/2-Replays/

and downloaded the file uploaded at 2334 on 19th June (UKGPL__Gpg.2011.06.19.23.34.rpy.zip)..but it appears to be a GT race. Have I done something wrong?


All:
Would also appreciate any comments on post 17.... https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=9507.17
(Vosblod - thanks for you comment - I think/hope I do this though...)

Cheers

Arf

Erm it should be the right race. Are you saying when you look at it it comes up as a GT race? Have you made sure GEM is set to use the 67 carset - if not you will see the replay in whichever mod GPL is currently defaulting to.

..how embarrassing....

:oops:

Sorry....

 :laugh:

easily done lol

I only know that as I've done it a few times myself ;)

In reply to Arf's query about engine blow ups.....

GPL of course does have a random failure element, but in my experience it still needs provoking before it will kick into action. I rarely experience an engine failure during a race in the Honda despite its reputation for being "fragile". Less than one engine per season fails on me in 67's ( Now I have said that I will of course expire in the next 5 races!! ::)

I think that 90% of over revving ( the major cause of engine failure in GPL) happens on DOWNshifts and not on UPshifts. Usually when you are downshifting for a corner you are preoccupied with braking and turn in points and mirrors etc. and snapping down through the gears is almost done sub conciously.
Whereas, once you have got the car to the apex, and miraculously discovered that it is still under some directional input from yourself, you actually have the time to watch the red needle as you accelerate away and avoid those extra "killer" 500 revs.

The best way to check is to watch your own replay from "in car" and see what the rev counter is doing at the end of the straight as you change down through the gears. If you find that you are flicking the needle against the stop or that it spins round 3 times and flies off, then you have probably located the source of your problem  ;) The remedy is to delay your downshifts, so maybe you drop from 5th to 4th at the point where you would normally be going 4th to 3rd? This will probably mean that your last shift into 2nd for a tight corner will be made right before the Apex of the corner, but with practice you should get the hang of it.
The other warning sign to watch is the OIL TEMP on the Pribluda display. For the Honda the killer temp is around 260 deg F. A few seconds at that temp and there will be a bang followed by an eerie silence from behind, other cars are slightly different ( not the bang bit, the 260 degree bit  ;D). If you notice the temp getting close to that danger level then you are overstressing the engine and need to change something. Either raise the gear ratios so that you peak safely below the red line or perhaps you are a gear too low in a fast bend and running on th rev limit where you could be a gear higher and still maintain your speed?

Everything Evils says about engines is evil and correct. I blew mine twice in the race. I need to check the replay when I get a chance but I suspect the first was a my unnecessary downshift at turn 1 on the first lap - very harsh of GPL but its like that sometimes. The second no doubt was due to overheating/stressing the engine trying to get back into contention - cruel but fair of GPL. I do wonder about other factors like spending time off track and getting knocked about adding to the increased likelihood of engine failure. Unlike Evil I suffer from this quite a bit during the course of a season, just ask my Porsche International teamates. Sorry Juha and Axel I will try and look after the next one.

Very äppy that i finished a 50 mins race, first such case since 06 or thereabouts. Even more very appy that i managed to keep other cars in sight for most of the race. Some of them even got behind me while they were running, but i suspect the conspiracy coz everyone behind me always retires and i always finish last  :'(

Seriously, acceleration tracks like Silverstone aren't my strong point and i was surprised that Fulvio and Rick weren't getting away. When Fulvio went ahead and Rick and Clive fell behind, i lost the focus and of course spun. Didn't change the position, but it shows there is still some way to restoring confidence and arm muscles needed for this torture  :death:

I'll be away for most of July, really sorry to miss races now that i got going a bit more seriously. But thats life, gotta sacrifice a bit of gpl for sun and the beach  8)

Ive noticed that a few times.. even when running quite high in the order there will be a lot of retirements behind me but not many in front!

Have fun on your holiday m8 :)

You are both too quick - I never see retirements behind - always in front and I STAY last even when I lap Hannah! Sigh.

I've just watched the whole race through, watching most drivers for a few laps (and my whole race). Its amazing how many different styles there are...

Happy to report that this can't be the cause - I couldn't have told you before watching this, but I'm pretty good at downshifts.

Upshifts might need some work - I could be smoother, compared to some of you, and the rev counter does occasionally bang against the red needle. However, this is true for everyone I watched!


I don't use Pribluda, as I don't like the idea of having all that info on screen, but I might install it temporarily for training purposes.

Gear selection is interesting though. Some drivers are VERY conservative in their timing of changes, which may be the result of many retirements, or they may have been nursing problems. This of course reflects on the lap time achieved.

I think the gears I use for corners are appropriate, but it appears that I change gear more often than any of you..

Woodcote.
Most: 3rd, up to 4th on s/f straight, 2nd for Copse.
Me: 4th, getting into 5th on s/f before slowing to 2nd for Copse

Maggotts: Most through in 4th, me 5th.

Chapel/Hanger Straight:
We all seem to take Chapel in 3rd, tho if I nail the line I'll go up to 4th as I enter it. I'm in 5th way before the big yellow sign on the left, but most of you seem to be in 4th for most of the straight.

Abbey/Farm Straight.
Everyone seems to take this in 3rd going then;
Most: up to 4th for Farm Straight, and down to 3rd for Woodcote.
I'm up to 5th before the bridge and only drop to 4th for Woodcote.

All this seem to make sense in terms of the rev counter reading, and what it would look like if e.g. I took Woodcote one gear lower. Does anything I've said sound like its contributing to the problem?

Oh, and is the Cooper unreliable - never heard it mentioned. I think I'll try another car for the next race anyway, but Cooper has been reliable in training sessions.

Cheers

Arf

Super Cooper is Mega reliable,  in my hands anyway  :)

Re the gears   

It would depend on what ratios you are using , IMO the Coop has lots of low end torque and responds well to short shifting.

With most cars I find it pays to use a higher gear , e.g. 3rd instead of 2nd  to exit slow corners as it stops the inside rear tyre from spooling up and losing drive .

Also try to feed the power in rather than stomp on the gas (easier said than done in the heat of battle )

If you ever watched The late great Jim Clark or Alain Prost you would see just how smooth you can be and still go very quickly

Other smoothies  Mario Andretti , Emmo , Niki Lauda and currently Jenson Button  ;) 

 

Bet you don't :D

On the subject of corner exit - is it better to use a higher gear with lower revs or a lower gear with higher revs? Surely you would get better acceleration away with the lower gear?

I also seem to slow down a LOT compared to most of you. I assume that I am just not pushing the performance envelope. If I try to go faster though, I spin.

Revs don't matter, Paul, what matters is torque and that differs from car to car. Ideally (I think I've told you before) I like to reach gear change revs just after I exit a corner. Of course it obviously also depends on how fast you're actually going through a corner.

@Arf Arf Arf

I don't use Pribluda, but there's this nice little patch which makes the info from the F10 camera available while you're in the cockpit as well. Useful to keep an eye on the engine temps, fuel pressure, speed and gears. Got to the following site, click Utilities, then Lee and Stefan, and you'll see it, it's called GPL Digital Display Modifier:

http://gplpp.com/

I thought these things had a torque sweet spot towards the top of the rev range or is it different gear by gear? When I use the Setup manager to set the gears to maintain 90% thrust as much as possible (from the graphs only) I frequently find that on track it is useless and I can't actually get the car up to those rev ranges.

I am fairly smooth though corners but I still drive like a road car where I am slow enough to drive around instead of sliding round. Until I can 'get' that I am going to continue to be slow although it is getting better. For instance, at Albi last year, I was lapping in the low 1:19's. I am now disappointed if I don't do a 1:17. 1:16's and even high 1:15's are definitely possible so there is progress but I seem to have gone backwards in the 67's whilst improving in the 65's.

Ah well. More practice I suppose.

Hristo is right about torque. You want the car to be delivering the maximum grunt that it can transmit to the tarmac without losing traction and therefore control. This requires a good "feel" for what is happening and is a skill that most of us are constantly trying to perfect. The problem is that setup changes and different tracks conspire to create a different "feel" each time you drive.

For some cars the "sweet spot" is NOT at the top of the rev range. The 65 Honda is a perfect example. The red line shows at about 13.5k on the tacho but running at anywhere near those revs will blow the engine and you will be slow because the power curve drops off dramatically at higher revs. Max torque is delivered around 12k and the car is fastest when kept in the 10.5k-12k range, considerably lower than the max indicated revs.
I find that the 66 BRM 2 litre on the other hand I can run at almost max revs for a whole race and really thrash it within millimetres of its life without any ill effects. But these things you only find out from experience.

One way to overcome the technical problem of traction and torque , is to "power slide" the car on opposite lock and actually use the resultant wheelspin like a virtual clutch, modulating the throttle to gain or lose grip.......Spectacular and a good crowd pleaser, but ultimately not the quickest way around the corner, plus of course it absolutely screws the rear tyres!! One or two drivers have been reported as using this technique when they are too lazy to concentrate on correct lines etc... ::)

or

by arranging your gear ratios such that you can use maybe 3rd instead of 2nd and be just into the bottom end of the torque band as you exit the corner. This will allow you to be more brutal with the gas without breaking the traction of the rear tyres and give you nice big lazy gaps between gear changes. Once again, not the fastest way around a corner but sometimes a useful way of being consistantly quick and smooth for longer races.

or

you concentrate on getting your braking and turn in points for every corner absolutely spot on, along with your gear ratios so that you take each corner at the maximum velocity and on the edge of the adhesion envelope and lap at WR times.........simples 8)

BB, you sound as if you're not comfortable enough with your setups. What values for brake bias, diffs, clutches are you using in 67s?           

Enough of this go faster talk

Back to my graphical issues .........

Rummaging around the loft found 2 of my old towers and have now salvaged the following

I OFF dusty Geforce 5700 256mb agp card

Having tried said card in my current PC I can only say the results are dire to say the least

Question ???

Should I install original drivers for this card which I can D/L from nvidea,  or are there better drivers out there somewhere ?

Any help comments appreciated , this could be your final chance to get soggie bottoms back where it/they belong  :blink:
  

On the subject of gear shifts, I'm told your engine heats up when you are running behind someone (not sure if this is true). As a result, in the silverstone race I lifted off completely on most occasions during upshifts when I was running behind Hristo and Joe. The clue is that you don't want to have any load on the driveshaft when the new gear kicks in. A lot of people are already applying throttle before the gear shift is complete. As a result the driveshaft and other parts of the drivetrain get banged on all the time. In essence, it's a speedshift without the benifits. So you want to try to lift off later or longer during upshifts.

Also, each engine has an optimal temperature in which it is most reliable. Because of this, your engine is more likely to expire or damage in the beginning of the race than it is later on. Revving the engine on the starting grid helps a lot, as long as you don't overdo it obviously.

When the track is really bumpy there's a higher chance of an engine problem, too. At Sebring last season my engine expired whilst running over the bumps in the concrete airstrip.

Each engine is different. Some cars, like the little 1965 machines, require a lot of gearshifts to keep the engine running at it's optimum rpm. However, other cars like the Brabham BT24 with the Repco V8, require very lazy shifting as the engine has so much torque over such a long rev range you'd lose time shifting when it isn't necessary.

I also like to have the car in a higher gear through the corner when I find out I have to shift up exiting the corner before the car has settled down. I like to power out of corners with four wheel drifts untill the car has straightened out, after which I shift.

To make a long story short, let common sense prevail :) . Would you shift the same way in a real car?

Tommie.

Everything Tommie Tommie ( ;D) said is true. Everything Evil said is also true, except the part that maximum torque is near maximum revs for the 65 Honda. The max torque drops a bit earlier, but you still gain speed up until 12k-12.5k RPM.

Not sure it will make much difference, Bernie but try downloading the latest geforce drivers from the nvidia site.

Cheers Steve , I did just that ! improved the picture no end!   AOK till I tried a lap of Silver in the Coop

BLACK SCREEN and CTD  :-\


Now left with some headscratching to do , not sure now if it is the GPU or some other gremlin in the box . PSU ?

Dont really want to go down the parts swapping route it could get expensive


Thinking now a newer more up to date MB and CPU etc is the way to go  ::)

Good race that one, would've helped if I hadn't spent half of qualifying in the privateers, luckily Bernie spotted my mistake (cheers Bernie!  :) )

Was a good chase early on, being chased as well as chasing doesn't half hold your concentration, I need to stop exiting the corners backwards, I'll put it down to lack of practice.  ;)

Still glad to get my first works finish in, hopefully the first of many...

Woops kept adding sentences lol!

I can't run the newest drivers and GPL. I have to use old drivers or I get CTD.

Well bowl me over with a baseball bat  ::)

Doing a large dose of headbanging ! The thought struck that I recently had a problem with the sound suddenly going off .

The cause ? 1 newly installed kodak wireless printer !

The cure ..... delete some kodak add on stuff (not needed anyway)

Could this jobby be the cause of the CTD's ?

The cure ..... delete the whole lot

Now re install my radeon X800 GTO , fire up GEM , Silverstone Pro long 1 hour pracky P4 on grid and top step on podium (eat dust clark hill and co.)

Absolutely no idea why it should work fine for weeks then suddenly decide to throw a wobbly but suspect cleaning the thing upset the apple cart .

Fingers crossed we are back in business , Ta for the help chaps  :)


BTW did I mention I hate computers  :stupid:

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh  ???

Tried again this morning , it died again  :'( :'( :'(

If new drivers haven't fixed it, I'm running an older system, with a GForce 5200, and it's older drivers work fine.  I've heard of newer driver versions occasionally having compatibility problems with older mainboards.  It would be more cost effective to try, than a new mainboard, but needs the newer ones uninstalled first.  You could give one of these a go :  http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?cat=10&sort=0&page=4

No guarantee, but would be nice if older drivers always work, for older drivers. ;)

Are you sure your video card isn't overheating, Bernie? Tried cleaning up its fan and heatsink?

Hristo , I already gave it a large dose of cleaning , since when the trouble started  :o

Martin the X800  was working fine with the latest Nvidia drivers , GPL and all other video has been rock solid for years , only recently I started getting silly glitches problems with sound and stuff , also noticed a marked increase in cooling fan activity , hence the cleaning job .

Thought it was cured but not so , pretty well convinced its the grafix card , problem is I swapped it out with an older card which may or may not have been faulty , thinking about it , it was from one of my old PC's which was probably upgraded cos I was having issues with GPL when the higher graphics car sets and tracks came on the scene .

I have a cunning plan for tommorow , It involves swapping cards over with the missisus computer while she is out to lunch with her mates  ;D

If she ever finds out I'm dead for sure , but it will prove the point (hopefully)  ::)


   

Hristo. Thanks for the link to the Digital Display modifier, I can live with that much info. Did notice 2 things, just wanted to check its the same for you;
1. Although the dialogue box allows users to control FPS, this doesn't appear on my screen (1200*800)
2. Revs in dig display don't appear to sync with the cockpit rev counter (I'll go by the cockpit rev counter)

Its a shame it doesn't give readouts for replays, I might have been able to go back and understand my retirements from PSC and Works last weekend, but hey..I guess I'll just have to put some extra time in blowing engines up  ;D

Thanks for the help everyone.

Arf

Hi Bernie

If this PC is a little older take a special look on the heads of the capacitors on your mainboard!
They have a cross in metall on top and if this is swollen the capacitor is faulty!
They are in my opinion in the most cases the reason for damage in a pc.
With a little skill in soldering its easy to replace them with better ones. Those capacitors cost only a few cents in an electronic shop ;)

Sorry for my bad english

Cheers
Axel

Good shout Axel , will take a look this w/e  :)


BTW your English is fine  ;D

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