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Practice 1: 19:40 BST (60 mins)
Qual 2:      20:40 BST (20 mins)
Race:        21:00 BST (40 Laps) - note: no warm up!

ROLLING START!

Cars allowed: Any car from Formula 1 1988 For GTR2 V0.9 - Available to download from here (http://www.pilsbierbude.de/component/option,com_remository/Itemid,26/func,fileinfo/id,1261/lang,en/) or here. (http://www.simworldgt.com/?n=Formula_One_-_F1_1988&p=download_details&id=52)
                       and F1 1988 Missing Teams Update V1.4 - Available to download from here (http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=29092)

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Track: Paul Ricard 1988 (v1.0.0.0) (download from here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg76901#post_paulricard88)).

Race Start Time: 14:00

Weather: DRY.

Tyre wear: normal.
Fuel consumption: normal.

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this track looks good. The straight is 1.8 kms long!!! Does this version have the chicane?

Great track. Here's a fast lap......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KEPjP2pydA

And RL race highlights.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FGlSENaVOE&feature=related

That flat out right hander at the end of Mistral is scary  :o

What should be an ok time round here?

Am I using the right track, the one i've got is v1.0.0.0. says when loading Paul Rickard short?

Sounds right, here's the link to the no-grip d/l....

http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=4554

I'm doing 1:08's in the Tyrell and 1:09-10's in the rest of the "missing teams"" cars.

Server's up.

I think hope you're on the wrong track Navin  :)

Edit: just me getting my numbers muddled  ::) I'm 1:06 in the Benetton, not 1:26  :wetfish:

should be able to make this one  :) , was on holiday last week.   

Due to the GTL race being cancelled, gathering early on the server now :)

Hi chaps :)

Unfortunately this is exams time for me, so I have really no time for races :(. If tomorrow I'll be able to do some laps in the late evening I would like to join the race with pleasure, but I can't tell it now, and sincerly I guess it will be hard for me to join... but never say never :)

Cu soon guys... have fun  ;) ;)

Each time I race here, I liek it more. A really good track for hotlapping & racing! 8)

Think I should be mostly in the 1:06's for the race (with a couple of 1:05's thrown in if I'm lucky). Might start at the back, depending on the laptimes others are doing in praccy/qually. :-\

1m05 seems like the average race pace judging from a mini-race Son and I had yesterday.... top time with a top driver & car is 1m02s but hopefully no top drivers are in top cars  ;)

I did the odd 1m04s in the Lotus but so was Son in a Minardi!! Look forward to the race  :P

Don't you be doing Legzy on me again. :nono:   ;D

No top driver in one of the Ferris for sure. Managed 6s in race trim until the fronts wore out
which happens very soon in the red cars. Did a low 5 with low fuel and softs just to give
Legzy and GT something to aim for  :laugh:

Seems I am here for this race. so I'll jump in my normal Ferri unless I need to take something else?

Yep.....you're place is secure in the Alboreto car  :)

Enjoyed that one.
Pace was ok on fresh tyres, but as always the fronts went off big time around lap 15
Son was very good not to hit me a few times as I got in his way, eventually I got
tapped up the bum and off went my rear wing, the pits said it would take 42 secs to
replace, but if it did then they swapped it while changing tyres, cos the whole stop
only took 45 secs. No worries, was about to pit anyway.
No idea how Legz and GT managed to keep up a decent pace without a stop
but I caught Nav twice, second time made it stick and sneaked in a late place.
Was weird when Cosworth caught me, he was very close at the end of the fast
straight, but seemed a safe distance, yet my car suddenly speeded up by 10 mph
and I got up the kerb trying to hold it, I think there was slight contact, and Cos
went off into the scenery. I can only assume that the tow works whether the car is
in front or behind?

What a cracking race!
Couldn't believe the pace of some people :o so had to do my best in qualifying & snatched 4th :sweatdrop:

There was something about the car though during the race, that just never let me feel comfortable :-\.
Managed some very good laps though & plenty of scrapping. Never quite got it on (so to speak) with GT sadly, as I think we were bang on the same pace, merely separated by our taking it in turns to make small errors.

Think I could have had some fun with Purdie after he pitted, my straight-line speed would have made it hard to pass for him (even with his Lotus). But I knew he was way faster & could tell TT wasn't going to pit this week (so I had no chance to catch him) & knew that Purdy's race was with TT, so let him past as soon as I twigged that. Was chatting about it on TS with H@L & we agreed Andy would catch Tom just before the end. Just what he did too, with 1.5 laps to go & he took him with what H@L described as a "superb move", though I'm sure there was little left in TT's tyre by then :laugh:

Great drive Andy, deserving winner tonight!  :notworthy: (Now go get a slower car :nono: ;))

Results and replay in the usual places



I appear to have put Navin in the wrong Tyrrell hence his strange looking entry. I'll ask the boss to change it when I've plucked up the courage  :-[

Didn't want to put you through that :o, so I've sorted it for ya :)

lol thanks Legzy  :)

Wow, that was a rough run.. I thought I had gotten a hold of the track(having tested all of the "missing cars" here)and the Tyrrell before this race but in today's practice and it was clear I had to gain some lap time to be anywhere other than the back. But it wasn't to be as Dan in the other Tyrrell for this race was 2 seconds quicker in qualy and 1 second in the race. In the race I went with my usual hard tires and wasn't planning on pitting. Seemed like I was the moving chicane for this race. Had a couple of spins and then managed to spin out SRW entering the long back straight. Very sorry for that SRW :-[. I never thought I'd have a run on you like that being I was on old tires and you were much faster on fresh. Even though I wasn't on the same lap as SRW I still waited for him and let him by as it seemed like the right thing to do but that lost me another 8 seconds or so. That killed any change on holding onto a higher finishing position being I didn't pit. Plus my tires were knacked good and I was just a lame duck to be passed by just about everyone :P. With that crap showing I will have to ask Mr. Ecclestone if I can have the keys back to the Benetton for the last race. Big congrats to a well deserved win to Andy:thumbup1: and congrats as well to Tom and Legzy:thumbup2:for their solid podiums spots. Also, thanks to Hal and GT for putting these fun races together 8).

It's not you in the wrong car mate, you're roughly mid pack pace wise, ignoring the 3 fastest. There are some still in cars that make them too competative. They're the ones that should move to the right cars, not you move back to one you were blatently too fast in, surely? Also remember this is a track all about the power.
But GT's the boss.

I must confess: I was a bit sad after the race. :-\ Did everything better than ever before but it was not enough. All in all I'm very satisfied with the last two races - my pace was better than in the races before. Is it the tracks or did I get the right setup at last? I made just a few tweaks from Montreal setup - oops, there was Detroit in between and it didn't go all that well. :D So it must be this car fancies fast tracks with faster corners.

Anyway, congrats to Andy for deserved win. I think I made the right decision with a no-pit race as pitting would position me into the fray of battle for third place. My tyres were all more than 35 worn at the end, so basically the rims were a bit scratched already. ;D I need two seconds to stay in front of Andy on the last straight, no more. I made a feeble defensive move but he was past me before corner entry. Grats to Legzy for third. :)

Nice to see grid getting towards 15. :)    

Edit: must agree with Legzy - I found GT race here more enjoyable than F1. :-\

Happy with a 3rd pole of the season, 1 with the March and 2 with this beast  :P

I went for a very low aero setup and soft tyres with a pit for tyres at half way. I knew hard tyres would be quite slow and I didn't have a lot of confidence on them in the technical bits in S2 and S3.

Start went well and life was easier after Cosworth_DFV and Son both had offs and fell down the field. TT was consistently 11 secs behind for the first half of the race and I decided not to push so I could drag 20 laps out of the tyres. The tyres worn message came on lap 20 !!! When I pitted TT must have been 30 seconds up the road  :o and it dawned on me after a few laps he wasn't going to pit! I caught Legzy slowly and he relented quickly and now I know why  ;) Cheers mate, I was giving you room into the right/left kink but I heard you lift right off  :thumbup1:

I caught TT on the last lap, slowed down on the exit of T1 so I could exit T2 quickly and it worked well. The Arrows was still quick in a straight line but I just got in front for the fast-right hander at the end! I'm sure TT called me a few names at that point  ;)

Well done TT, quite a drive and very tough driving on worn tyres, never mind hards!!!! Made it the best race of the 2011 for me!

Thanks for the comments guys  :).... this has to be my favourite form of sim-racing full stop at the moment  O0

As I said last race happy to swap cars... the Lotus is chassis isn't great but the Honda power certainly helps, especially at this track. As before I did practise a lot in this car, and a server was coincidently running this combination yesterday which is how I met Cosworth_DFV and got him to join as he is obviously very quick... even in a Ligier! We (and Son Gok) had a 20 lap race so a good mock run for real thing.

I would like to try the Williams or Arrows remaining but they may not be too dissimilar to the Lotus. So then I would join Legzy in the March. Any thoughts GT?

Really enjoyed that race. Was very pleased with my qually effort although i could have taken another couple of tenths off my time .     Planned to go the whole race without stopping but my inexperience in these cars showed as i couldnt adjust quick enough as the rear tires went off so after a couple of silly spins decided to pit.      
My pitstop reminded me of a mordern day F1 pitstop just with an extra 40 secs added on  ::)   Ended up being nearly a lap down on GT and Legzy and only 12 laps left had no chance of catching them.

Grats to podium .

Shame there isn't a league addition of this mod...

Ligier is mega... well it is after driving the Tyrrell  ;D       

Been looking forward to racing here all season and last night didn't disappoint for me. Was going with softs and a one stop, but realised as quali went on that I was going to be way off pace anyway, so quickly adjusted my setup to a hards and no stop.

Concentrated on keeping smooth and getting speed out of T1 and not sliding it round too much so that I had some tyres left for late race. Was probably a bit conservative because tyre wear was only 20 ish by race end. Had 2 or 3 silly spins at T1 which I guess cost me about 25 secs and maybe a pody, but pleased to come away with 4th.

Congrats to Andy, TT and Legzy for the podies and thanks to all for turning out for this.



With only 1 race to go this season, I don't want to be massaging the grid in an effort to create close championships or close racing. The amount of practise drivers are able/willing to put in could potentially unbalance any changes I make anyway. I think most of us are finding others to race with as it is, which after all is what it is about. If anyone wants to change cars (within reason) I'll leave it down to their judgement.

At the start of this series my thought was that drivers would pick a car which matched their pace at that time and then develop it through the season, and swap cars only if it was clear they'd made the wrong choice. I still think the basic idea is good, but I am working on a system for next season which will hopefully create more parity.

Really enjoyed that, managing 1:05-6's on hards with low wing. Was just getting into a nice chase with GT and I think Legzy in when I got a tap from behind which sent me off and cost me 3 places.

Pitted mid way for tyres as mine were shot trying to make up the places and misjudged the pit entry and lost my front wing  ???

112 secs later they eventually released me from the pits, but by then my race was over. Did have ALOT of fun on the main straight though blasting round people, the Ferrai engine/ low wing combo had me touching 197 by the end of straight, mind you, soon lost any advantage in the 3rd sector as she was a handful through there and it was only towrds the end of race that I found a line that I was comfortable with.

Well that was gutting. I apologise for keeping everyone waiting for the full two minutes at the start. During qualifying, real life got in the way and I was needed elsewhere, but was hoping I'd make it back to the session with 5 mins to go. Sadly when I went back to the PC I was 5 minutes too late. Big apologies all round from me  :-[.

Sorry to hear you had to miss this one Samb....wondered what had happened to you.

A special mention too I think for Apex who, despite putting himself in the not so desirable Larrousse, stuck to it and made it to the finish :thumbup1:

Unlucky Sam as well in the other Lotus. Next time I'll ping over my setup as well, altho i confess i'm not great at setting up cars!


good stuff. just tried the silverstone 88 track. It basically has one corner and a chicane so happy to stick with it for the race  :D

thanks gt i didnt realise the car was so sucky i join and never practice so i need to improve! i tried the ags its seems like what i like, so i will roll the dice the next time with some practice! P.S. sorry to every1 for being in the way but i must have made it exciting for u guys

I managed to stall at the start and as I have manual clutch and could not get the car restarted it was race over for me. ::)

Pretty gutted as the cars were great on that track. I did have fun watching the race though. There was a fight at almost all times in the race somewhere. Then purdie passed TT on the last lap with a nice move. It was more entertaining than many F1 races I have seen. ;D

See you all at silverstone. :)

 I will have to respectively argue that statement. Mid pack? I qualified 12 of 13. And my race pace was even worse.. In the last round at Detroit if you take all 10 drivers best race lap times and average them out you get a time of 1:36.7. My best race lap was 1:35.9. I would not call .8 quicker blatantly too fast. If we do the same math at Paul Ricard without including APEX who was way off pace, the average race laptime for 11 drivers is 1:05.5. My best race lap time was 1:06.9. that make me 1.4 seconds slower than the average. So if .8 is blatantly too fast than 1.4 is blatantly too slow. The main reason I won at Detroit was everyone had problems. I was the only one who didn't pit for tires and or damage. Most had some damage so they had to stop twice as well.
 Another thing I don't think you are taking into consideration is consistency. That will make a race distance seem like another driver is much quicker than another driver that is just a little off from lap to lap. It adds up over a race. When I say I had a crap showing I know I had a BS run because I was all over the place in lap time. Totally in contrast to this race at Montreal. I've made my point but that said, I'll stay with one of the "missing cars" to avoid any animosity as this is for fun after all.. ;D Hopefully with this season knowledge we will be able to get everyone in their proper cars. I guess I didn't belong in the Lotus for 2/3rd's of the season so I guess it's fair I'm in something that is a bit of a dog for the last part.
(http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt233/NavinRJohnson123/MontrealF-1.jpg)

lol, stats can be used to show what you want. Look at your best lap time in that race & compare it to the average best lap of all the race finishers... A quick tot-up looks to me like you were 2 secs a lap quicker! Stats eh :laugh:


Actually, I'm taking your consistency totally into account. We want drivers close at the finish line not the start line right? If everyone's close at the end, then it's likely everyone will have had a fairly busy race & nobody has been way ahead/behind the pack. :)
p.s. FYI if my maths is correct, you need 7th position in this last race to guarantee our first UKF1'88 title after three wins & two second places from 6 races  :) (obviously less if GT doesn't win Silverstone)


Basically mate, there were 4 people who managed a 1:04 in this race. They just seem outrageously quicker than the rest & I would have thought they'd want to take maybe the next slower car available at Silverstone, they'll have more people to race with 8)

:o
I was suggesting you go get a slower car, the Williams is quicker than your current Lotus, the Arrows is quicker still & the March is probably the 3rd best car! :laugh: :laugh:
Obviously excluding the fastest couple, weren't you about the right pace in the Benetton (that's now vacated by Navin)?

Stats can show what you want? Gee, I thought stats were the mathematical truth and not a roughly thought out stat. Personally I don't think consistency should be handicapped the same way as lap time speed. But I have no problem with other people's ideas on how they run their series. It's not my business. Lord knows, no one liked Henry's 3X tire wear at GTLDK's past championships. But I will at least respectfully give my opinion.
   What I do know is that (and I think GT would agree with this) I've raced GT enough in the past races to know we are about the same in lap time if we are both practiced equally. As far as championships go I couldn't care less about them. You know how many championships I won over the years? Neither do I. It's online racing!! No one gives a #$%^..  I want to race and have battles :fencing: whenever I can and as much as I can. The best stuff in this series for me has been the great battles like with Sam Blood at Detroit.. And nothing better than driving side by side through several sets of corners with someone you can trust like Matt and I did at Mexico ;) Been in many league's in the past and this site has one of the best group of drivers I've had the pleasure to race with ;D  Cheers boys