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UKGPL Season 21 65 Novices Trophy
Race 05 Albi

Round 5 et en Francais, a la countryside airstrip of Albi.

Never a Formula 1 circuit, this small, typical airfield circuit north of Toulouse was used on the F2 calendar. Being a small, tight circuit where power is less of an issue, Albi should sort the men from the boys, or as I said rather amusingly in Season 17, les hommes à partir des garçons as they like to say in le pit lane.

As always I would remind you to take care on Lap 1 through the intitial section at Courbe Armand Brouzes and again under braking for Double Droite de l’Aerodrome where the field is likely to get compressed again.

Download the circuit here (http://a.bosco.free.fr/gpl/albi67.htm)

Please see the Novices registration thread for an explanation of the chassis allocations shown below:
https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=9196.0

FULL TIME

DRIVER	CHASSIS
Billy NoBrakes	BT11
Nigel Smith	Honda
Maddog	Cooper
Il_Lupo	Ferrari
HappyAl	Ferrari
NHance	BT7
Norbert	Ferrarii
Blito	BRM
RogUK	Cooper
BadBlood	Honda
Francesco	Ferrari
Karliss	Honda
Cookie	Lotus
DuFossa	BT11
Economia	BRM
JonnyO	Lotus

RESERVE

DRIVER	CHASSIS
Maestro	Cooper
Bookie	1
Fragfritz	1
GTA66	1
s2173	BT11
ivandjj	BT11

Reserve drivers should not join the server until there are only 30 minutes of qualifying left so as to give the FULL TIME drivers chance to join, and drivers are not to go out on track until there are 30 minutes of qualifying left as this helps all drivers join the server successfully.

Please restrict chat to pit messages if necessary, and this includes the end of the race, until all running drivers have completed the necessary laps.

The Novice races are run under Int Long rules and all incidents will be moderated.

Race List = IGOR
Server = UKGPL5
IP address = ping myjamesonline.net
Race date = 28/06/2011
Time = 21:00 UK time
Track = Albi
Variant = 65F1
Damage Model = Int
Qualifying time = 35 minutes
Race length = 30 laps
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

65 Patch: The 2.02 Release of the 65mod can and should be used.
http://bit.ly/d8dECl

Driver lists can be found on the Novice Championship Page (http://www.)

i dont know who is this guy ho always doing this, but

PLEASE DO NOT GO ON TRACK BEFORE 30min MARK!

Its usually Francesco

Is not true,after Glen i'm loyal to the rule.Check in the replay. ;D

Its true - he's reformed...  ;D

Looking forward to this. I have definitely improved at this track and I hope to shave a second off last season's effort.

Maybe you should write in portuguese  ;)
Think they were Brasilian and don't read here or don't understand our writing...

Mucho forbidio e driviosio para 30 minitos pregoio  ;D

What's 'LOL' in Portuguese then?  ;D

An improvised roadblock at 32 minutes, could be stupendously roguish.                 :scooter:

Again the same problem with GPL as last race with 66 cars in Brno...

GPL grashed when we are going to grid... :(

Hope it was a nice race to all...

See you next race...

Try turning the graphics down to about 25% - it usually helps and doesn't affect game play too much.

commisertions mate , if it makes you feel any better , the same thing happened to me in the Pro's  ???

If I turn mine down any further there wont be any graphics left  ;D

Can't believe how poorly I drove - did 20 laps in practice at sub 1:17.5 not one off

Awful in this race.

Totally and utterly frustrated.

AGHHHHH SCREENFREEZE! from 3rd place with just 3 laps to go :(

Oh well, the mod is gonna have my arse anyway for some over aggressive defending....

Apologies go to Fabio - RE- our lap 8 collision... I thought I saw you go left but my headphones told me you had gone right! What I didnt know was that at the end of qual, when I returned from the bathroom, I put my 'phones back in the WRONG ear!!!! Sorry m8 - I was well confused by that :(

Where are you Jason, naughty boy?!?
 :gun_bandana:
 :2guns:
Why did you take me out of track 4 times in three races at Albi?!?
OK, second place was the best result I could get but, maybe, I would have been closer to Karlis...

Second time I sent you spinning i laughed my tits off!!!  You came up the inside with such speed I thought you would never make it all the way round DD so I pointed my nose for the inside and gave it some gas... made it through as well but could see you spinning in my mirrors.. I never felt a bump so I assumed you had over cooked it like I was expecting you too!

Was the same for me and i was in second place.

Gutted for you Fran :( You were driving really really well... Your pass on me into DD was perfectly done... (unlike Fabio's lunges :D )

Cookie I know that you are angry with me but i would like to know what i could do in that condition.I was with the tires blocked and your change of position was sudden and unexpected.
Due to my PC freezing at lap 27 i am not able to see the replay,if someone can sand me (Vos for exemple)i would be grateful to him.

Thank you Blito,if i remeber we have fighted some laps.I try to be correct but sometime the incident is anavoidable.i have had an incident with Cookie for me impossible to avoid,BTW there are the judges for this.

Well, I dont make it easy for you guys to pass!! BUT, when the move is irresistable I leave the room... The clashes with Fabio were sadly avoidable (I must get a marker pen and put L and R on my phones again)....

 Gentleman.

i cant see my Albi replay, i have only some 6-7 cars in it.... why?

GRATZ PODUIM!
qual:
first of all i turned off my skype before race :clap:
great Quali..push 4th Pole in row just in last lap, wow!!!
race:
while i couldnt find in web good Albi setup for honda, and those two sets what i get from helpfull UKGPL memmbers (Evilclive and Fullmetalgasket) wasnt for me (im not so fast jet) i decided to build my own set.... so i think it was quite good, slow but stable.
exciting batle with Cookie till lap 3, when he did mistake.
after was great racing, long time Blito was 2sec behind me, then droped to 10sec...17sec...22sec...and was out (pity for him)
i didnt push cos felt that slower consistant laps work bether than hotlaping with wall in T1... so congratz Cookie for excelent FL1-15.6!!!!
race was interesting cos is realy nice to overtake cars when them must let you buy :D i love it.
thanks to Johny.O who was lapped down but push me from behind otherwise i would went 2-3 sec slower.
so afterall well deserved my second Burnout on league races :)
good race without any serrious errors except one "shortcut" in T4... to avoiding loose of control, cos its a place where with left wheels on grass you spin - and it is dangerous for other drivers :)   )

EDIT:
wow i went from -30p to -3p in champ standings!!!

http://www.jamesonline.net/ukgpl

Gratz Karliss you deserved that victory  :thumbup1:


Hehe but I am still there   :eek:

My Race

Karliss just snapped away pole in last second, but I had the "more grip" side of the track at start.
So I went to the first corner in the lead, following 3 hot laps with Karliss on my back. But in last hairpin I did  my first mistake and spun.
Had to let pass 4 drivers and came back behind Fran, We had a nice battle for 2 laps as his Ferrari is faster on straights. I could manage to come out faster of DD and was on the left beside him down the backstraight. His effort to fight back on the outside in the fast lefthander ended in grass for him, being toooo fast.
My pace was good and so I could come really close to Fabio and Jason in the next laps.
But then I did my second spin and had Fran again on my back.
My mistake was I did not shift on the long esses to straight in 4th early, as normal, so the entry speed was not optimal.
Fran in my tow down the straight in faster Fez.
When seeing a yellow flag before Double Droit I lifted and braked maybe a little early.
Fran braked, blocked his rear wheels but bumped me full in rear.
S+r followed by a looong s+g.
Some laps later my engine blew, luckily on SF straight so s+r followed by a not so long s+g.
Could fight some places back and profited from Jasons bad luck.

Jason did a phantastic job! With a little practice and a little luck....  ::)

CU at Monza...

Axel  :chef:

Thank you for the replay Mainer

Thanks Axel - your advice was good :)
I sorted the BRM's vague front handling by stiffening the front wheel rate and front roll bar.. My banzai qual lap was done with only fumes in the petrol tank and holding the revs to the redline which gave me an extra 5mph down the long straight! The only problem with doing that is I set a much faster time than I could manage in the race - the BRM overheats if you keep passing 11000rpm and it will blow if you aint carefull...

It was going well until lap 8 lying 6th I think when the engine blew :(. Guess I must have got carried away as Molteni was behind & gaining although I didn't feel I was overdoing it at the time. Shift R after turn 1 but this engine lasted the whole of the way until the back straight. 2 engines in less than 1 lap. The 2nd I suppose from revving too hard from cold. So 2 s&g's left me 17th. I only remember passing Bad Blood who was driving the first straight on the grass at the time & chasing new driver Nicholls for ages before a small off ended that ambition. Somehow I finished 12th!.
My old problem but its the first this season when I thought I'd got rid of it.
Well done the podium & commiserations to those who had screen freeze.
Norm H 

BTW - well done to the new drivers.. especially our new backmarker - "bookie" Westbrook.. VERY considerate when being lapped .. It was easy to spot the move well in advance.. Good work fella! Keep at it m8, the speed will come soon  :)

Watching your replays Norm, you are still speed shifting which kills engines.

You must lift for every gear change.

I've been telling him this for the past 6 months, Mike.  Perhaps your words will have more clout - preferably when his helmet's off! ::)

My race was fun. I’ve not been able to drive the 65 cars much lately and I didn’t get any practice on this track so I was expecting a lonely run at the back.

I booted up my PC at 8:30 and started to learn the track, I used my setup from Watkins glen which seemed OK. Cookie was on the server along with a few other drivers and I soon realised that I was going to be slow. When Qualifying started I just went out in my race car with full fuel to continue learning the track. I was very happy with 10th place on the grid, as I never expected to be so high.

At the start of the race I took it easy, and was in a nice position keeping out of the way. On the first lap there was an off up ahead, I got past Johnny and continued. A little bit later Johnny and I had a coming together, I didn’t even know he was there. I did check my mirrors before entering the corner, and he wasn’t anywhere to be seen. Because it was the first lap, I was being careful anyway, and left quite a bit of room on the inside, I personally think it was a racing incident, but because it was on the first lap the moderators will look at it and tell us what they think.

After the little coming together I was left upside down, while the rest of the grid passed me. I needed a shift & r and took a 10 second pitstop at the end of the lap. At this point I was last by a long way. I got on with the task of clawing back the pack, I am quite proud of not only my lap times but also my consistence during the race. I managed to get a few places back as people where kind enough to drive off the track at various places.

I had quite a few nice battles on my way up though the pack. I was pushing quite hard to catch/stay with some people but managed not to have any off’s. I also didn’t get lapped, which again is much more than I expected. Overall I’m very happy with my place, and race at Albi, it was a fun race for me, with plenty of action.

Sorry to see that some people got Disco’d, with only 3 laps to go. It gave me 2 extra places but I don’t think anyone wants to gain places that way.

Sorry Al but this is only for GTs, I had to learn at the Glen...  ;)

Curious thing about the screen freeze is that both Fran I and I went on lap 27... at the point I froze fran was showing +5 up the road and I was at 2nd last corner - this means fran must have been at the final corner on the lap... Did we have simultaneous freezing? Very odd.....

Now that I have calmed down a bit... frustrating as I span EIGHT - yes EIGHT times. How many times did I spin in practice? ZERO. Sigh. Seven of those were all my own work :( Should have calmed down and not tried so hard but I did spin in odd places, just couldn't seem to find any rhythm last night.

Still 30 seconds faster than last year so at that rate I should win it in Season 25!

Funnily enough I won a test race on UKGPL3 fair and square - only seven laps or so but not one over 1:18. Not sure what changed although I wasn't feeling too hot last night. Annoying thing was that when I did get some rhythm I could drive with the leaders fairly easily. :(

Funny season for me, this one.

Bugger!!! It felt like an age in the pits waiting for 10 seconds too...... I would of won if it wasn't for that  ;D well, maybe.......

Well I would hope that somebody held in such high esteem as myself may get through LOL.

It's a hard habit to break but a very necessary one.

HOW TO BREAK THE SPEEDSHIFT HABBIT
---------------------------------------

Practice offline, taking the GT mods Lola and choosing the "realistic" damage model..

It *might* last a lap or two if you speedshift ;)

Seriously, thats how I practice for UKGPL events - always on realistic damage. Its made me a much smoother and steadier driver, which has delivered extra pace in the long run!

John Cooper was a clever man, but it seems his use of Italian, was not good enough to have a couple of chicanes added, to the straights at Albi.  Without that minor tweak, even a major tweak to my Coops. setup would be insufficient to overcome the forces of nature.

With practice under way, my car was a second off it's expected pace, and I commenced to tweak.  Sadly, my new online connection has been giving me trouble, and it decided to drop me, in mid-tweak.  A lucky reserve driver quickly took to the track, which saved be getting discoed from my IP again.

So, well done to Karliss, for getting his race finish turned around, because his car was turned around, in all the right places!  Along with Fabio, and everyone who didn't disco . . . grumble! :-\

Ok I'll swear an oath in front of a JP if necessary that my foot lifts off the throttle when I change up. Not for long enough it would seem is all I can think of. I have been upshifting at about 9400rpm in previous races & survived & honestly I haven't blown an engine for weeks in training when I have had damage "on". Must admit I pushed the limits a bit when Molteni was gaining.  I am not ungrateful for the advice so thanks for that I realise you do it in my interest.
Others do use higher rpm than me so its obviously the up & the downshift where my errors occur.

Norm H

can someone explain what is SPEEDSHIFT?

about engine blows - its hard to understand when program decides to do random failure when not, cos at watkins i blow my engine for the first time in league races ,and it was setup that i did test race before... here i had strange engine blow in qual. with the same race setup on long gears.
only way how to avoid it during race as i know is
1.avoid engine braking as much possible
2. dont shift upger on red mark, shift "5min" earlier
3.go slow corners/hairpins on 2nd (roll them)
maybe something more... that will deffinetley drop 1 sec or maybe less per lap but in strategy terms work very good.
but i allways keeping in mind, that program algorithm live his own life... so i can do only few things to minimaize engine blow

Or you are not timing it correctly.

When you change up on your replays your rev counter needle jumps up until the higher gear is engaged, often to the red line and that is where the damage is done.

You can hear it without even looking to, your engine screams as you change up.

Where you drive a GPL car like a modern F1 car and change gear by flicking the paddle without lifting the throttle.

It works in No Damage settings but even in Intermediate damage it will blow engines.

If you redline the engine when changing gear - that is speed shifting. Effectively you are accelerating whilst in Neutral. It is easier to accidentally speedshift when going down gears than when moving up. Some of the cars are more sensitive than others and if you need to protect the engine you can short shift (i.e. change up early). You still need to be careful when changing down though. Timing is everything and it is easy to lose a lot of time by getting shifts wrong. Engines will take some abuse but you are playing with fire...

When I was blowing engines every race my problem was downshifts, it's so easy to go into the red by downshifting too early.

thanks Mike for Cooper e-mail..... i allways lowed slower cars but never had opportunity to drive one...or more onest to say - motivation
:)

Hey Karliss

I did a few laps with Cooper and it feels great around corners ;D
How good the car is you can see how Martin managed his race in Monaco!
The only thing it does not like are loooooooooong straights.
But with a little tow at Monza and no mistakes who knows...

Join us tonight at BREASTS, will be FUN!

Cheers :chef:

Take it as a compliment showing how much you have improved Mr Winner ;)

I use the clutch and the H gear ACTlab,with this equipment is more easy to burn the engine.
1)because sometime i miss the gear both in upgear(and Fabio have overtaken me on the streight)and also dowgear.When i miss the gear is guaranteed to go over the red line.
2)again sometime i fail the synchronism between release the clatch and give gas.

I've never had anyone thank me for giving them a slower chassis but as Tim says, take it as a compliment to your much improved pace.

The Cooper triplet will roll the grid up from behind! :P

That was quite entertaining race despite several spins. Had almost race long battle with DuFossa, i lost him every time entering the long straight but i gained massively under braking. Problem was that i was coming from so far back that it seemed risky to dive inside. When i finally measured it and dived inside he surprisingly and cleanly drove around my outside on the exit  :o

It was great to race with full grid again, that was my main motivation to try 65s again. It was not as intense as Works 67s can be, but it was good in just a normal fun way.


Re blown engines, i never heard that someone continued regularly blowing engines during longer periods of time. I had that problem in the beginning too. It seems that some poeple just need a bit of time for the moves to become synchronized and automatic. You can't do your gearshifts and lifting off conciously, it must be automatic. Just takes some time for the moves to get imprinted in the brain in the right pattern. I don't think that scientific or analytic approach helps there.

The thing with gear changes is, unless you use an H-pattern shifter, there's a delay between pressing the button and the actual gear change, whether it's up or down. That's because GPL animates the hand of the driver reaching for the lever, so the actual change happens only after the virtual driver grabs the gear change lever. So when changing up, don't lift up as soon as you press your paddle/button, but wait a fraction, then don't lift up completely, just 30-40% is OK, just enough to keep the revs high but not on the limit - you can practice how much throttle that requires simply by pushing down the pedal while in neutral gear. You'll know when you get it right, because the change is smooth then, without any additional clicking sounds.

As for changing down, I often hit the red zone and I suppose that's what bites me back later in the race. As a medium solution, because I dislike changing gears after waiting for the revs to drop a lot, I change down a gear as soon as I start braking, then I wait some before going through the remaining gears.

And one more thing - at the start of the race, it's more important to have smooth gear changes and avoid over-reving, because any such while the engine is cold seems to damage it more and it is more likely to expire later in the race.

Yeah!
I often wonder how fast the guys drive in first two laps, while I do careful until my engine gets over 70°C and  the tyres get light blue colors.
The best qualification times I make in 3rd or 4th lap as the engine has now best power and tyres optimal grip ;)

What I don't understand is the great difference in laptimes with only a few liters in tank. Can 5 liters make such a difference? 
That is even with the heaviest car, the Ford MK4  :o

what version Pribluda you use?
i see only tires, splits and positions.... want to get pribluda with fuesl liters, engine heat and curent speed and gear.. had such some years ago but lost.

This is my pribluda.ini
_http://oron.com/0g3me9jlcg6s/PRIBLUDA.rar.html_

Have come to the conclusion this track does not like me. 
Practice & qually are ok - under race conditions I seem to find a corner that I consistently screw up. This time the one before the big dunlop arc - have christened it "corner du crap".
So, reasonable qualification & good clean start, picked up a couple of places in DD.  In the run down to Corner du crap I braked hard to avoid Norms rear & span off. About lap 2 I rear ended Economia (I think) - will check replay & report.
Finally found some rythm chasing Al for a few laps.  The car immediately  behind was Karliss & I was actually pulling away from being lapped. Then had about 3 offs in corner du crap & pulled the plug on my race.
Well done Fabio for bringing home some points for the team. Planning to sulk for a few days before the next race.

You were catching me fast at that point, then you disappeared. I wondered what had ahppened to you. Sorry to hear of your problems and hope we can run together at the next track :) with me in front  ;D

Race mod published.

Accepted  ;D

But, where is the race for tomorrow? PW?

Monzaaaaaaaaaa with a Cooooooooooooper

:chef:

It's here.

https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=9646.0