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Title: UKGTL Season 11 3 Make Challenge - Hockenheim (1965-2001) - Oct 24
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on June 28, 2011, 11:58:35 PM +0100
All members welcome.

Grid/server capacity: 28

Practice: ~19:20 (60 mins)
Qualifying: 20:20 (20 mins)
Race: 20:40 (14 laps = ~40mins)

Track: Hockenheim Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54520#post_hock99)

Cars allowed: Alfa Romeo GTA, Ford Mustang, Lotus Cortina

This race will use the UKGTL Skin Pack 1.8.0.0 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#msg54518).

Time of Day Setting: 10:00
Start: STANDING
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: Normal

Server: simracing.org.uk WPC
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(2) Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.uk Rules.
(3) The AI control should be turned off so that you have control of the car at all times, including pitting. Your player file should therefore read
Autopit="0"
Force Autopit Off="1" // Forces autopit always off
No AI Control="1" // AI never has control over car
If you still finding pitting problematic, experience tells us that its less to do with positioning and more to do with approach speed. A slow approach to pit crew chief has proved most reliable.
(4) Driver lists can be found on the Championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=319&theme=5)

Special Notes: None


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 11 3 Make Challenge - Hockenheim (1965-2001) - Oct 24
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on October 24, 2011, 09:37:58 PM +0100
Replay and results now posted.

Four races to go and Ade must be getting worried  :helpsmilie:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 11 3 Make Challenge - Hockenheim (1965-2001) - Oct 24
Post by: Navin R Johnson on October 24, 2011, 10:26:24 PM +0100
That was great fun!! I wasn't sure if the Alfa would even be competitive here but was please to see I was just a bit off some of the Mustangs times. I really don't like the Mustang to drive so I figured I'd see how the little Alfa would do. At the start I figured I was going to have to give up my second place to Syd's Mustang and that how it went. I was able to hang on to 3rd and started to hassle Syd a bit. We were side by side a couple of times before I was able to get by and got a small gap. At that point Ade had made his way through the pack at was now right on Syd which is just what I needed to get a bit more of a gap. After a lap or two Ade was past Syd and was now just a few seconds behind me and closing in :o. I think I raced looking backwards more than looking forwards trying to break the draft as best as I could. Ade and I did the according thing for the rest of the race. I got through the corners fast with a good exit gap and then Ade would close right up to my back bumper right before the braking zone. Over and over. Ade was driving very consistent and if anything was being extra fair by not using the draft to blast past me which I think he could of done a couple of times 8). In the end Ade and I had a couple of Chip and Dale moments on the last lap ;). I got a slightly slower exit on the last chicane(Senna corner) and look in my mirror and saw Ade had a great exit so I figured I was done for. Ade cleared me before the right hander(Agip corner) but left me room on the outside which allowed me to get up side by side before Sachs corner. I was on the inside going into Sachs which allowed me back through. I thought for a second or two... Said to myself "Ade certainly deserves the position having raced me in such a sporting way earlier(no passing with draft) and didn't even need to give me room through the last Agip corner" so I pulled to the side flashed my lights and thought again with my best English accent "Good show, old chap! ;D"  A big congrats to Pelle who might be even faster now that he has to use a G25 after retiring his Microsoft wheel,Ade for the cracker of a race. To all the other participants as well. Great turnouts lately ;D And Oulton to look forward too :D


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 11 3 Make Challenge - Hockenheim (1965-2001) - Oct 24
Post by: Henry on October 24, 2011, 10:48:53 PM +0100
Replay...
definitiv one that should be watched :laugh:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 11 3 Make Challenge - Hockenheim (1965-2001) - Oct 24
Post by: Pelle_B on October 24, 2011, 11:02:31 PM +0100
Have not run race since we last raced in this series...where everything went wrong with my good old MS SideWinder. I have no idea on how many sets there are worn out after over 10 years...it was incredibly good to GTL, GPL & more. Unfortunately, several years ago Microsoft stopped making more of this wheel, but I was lucky to find new, until now.  :'(
Really hard to put a G25 up...so it works properly & do the things you expect. Henry has fortunately made ​​a G25 guide & Lucas said I had to choose Mustang at Hockenheim...& I must admit I was lucky.  :laugh:
Grats Ade & NRJ...& to all you other. Really nice result of GTLDK  :clap:

Forgot to tell, fantastic feeling to have a steering wheel that works & could keep 100% concentration on driving.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 11 3 Make Challenge - Hockenheim (1965-2001) - Oct 24
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on October 24, 2011, 11:11:59 PM +0100
Can you provide a link to that G25 guide Pelle?


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 11 3 Make Challenge - Hockenheim (1965-2001) - Oct 24
Post by: Pelle_B on October 24, 2011, 11:23:24 PM +0100
Can you provide a link to that G25 guide Pelle?
Yes http://www.gt-legends.dk/GTLDK/showthread.php?37-G25-Steering-Wheel-Guide-deutsch-english (http://www.gt-legends.dk/GTLDK/showthread.php?37-G25-Steering-Wheel-Guide-deutsch-english)

Forgot one more thing..the brake on the G25, it is hard, very hard...& now I have a sore foot  ;D


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 11 3 Make Challenge - Hockenheim (1965-2001) - Oct 24
Post by: Pelle_B on October 25, 2011, 12:20:50 AM +0100
Hockenheim 1999 Report...taken from the server replay, but Ade has no qual time  ???
http://www.gt-legends.eu/UKGTL/Report/3series/Hockenheim1999/index.html (http://www.gt-legends.eu/UKGTL/Report/3series/Hockenheim1999/index.html)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 11 3 Make Challenge - Hockenheim (1965-2001) - Oct 24
Post by: SpecialKS on October 25, 2011, 07:29:56 AM +0100
Obviously was a little bit confused yesterday as I was prepared to race at Oulton which is scheduled only this Thursday  ::)
So I had not time for practice, did only 4 or 5 laps (I must admit - I really don't like Hockenheim) and choose my setup from 60Oesterreich some weeks ago, which there was not too bad at all.

Race was ok during the first laps, had short battles with Tony and Phil, but after lap 5 the handling of the car worsened considerably
and I had great problems with onesided braking and keeping the car on track. So I got 4 (!) Stop & Go penalties within 2 laps  ???  >:(
(seems that the game/simulation or AIW is unable to to distinguish between different kinds of leaving the track - intention or sincere problems), came in for the first one, ignored the second and consequentially got a DQ one lap later.....

Stayed online watching the battles between Navin and Ade and between Henry and Goldtop which was fun indeed.

Grats to the podium and GTLDK Racing Team  ;D

Hoping for a better one on Thursday at Oulton


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 11 3 Make Challenge - Hockenheim (1965-2001) - Oct 24
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on October 25, 2011, 08:39:54 AM +0100
Hockenheim 1999 Report...taken from the server replay, but Ade has no qual time  ???
http://www.gt-legends.eu/UKGTL/Report/3series/Hockenheim1999/index.html (http://www.gt-legends.eu/UKGTL/Report/3series/Hockenheim1999/index.html)
Ade did start at the back of the grid with Jamera so I guess he didn't record a qually time.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 11 3 Make Challenge - Hockenheim (1965-2001) - Oct 24
Post by: SpecialKS on October 25, 2011, 09:00:27 AM +0100
Hockenheim 1999 Report...taken from the server replay, but Ade has no qual time  ???
http://www.gt-legends.eu/UKGTL/Report/3series/Hockenheim1999/index.html (http://www.gt-legends.eu/UKGTL/Report/3series/Hockenheim1999/index.html)
Ade did start at the back of the grid with Jamera so I guess he didn't record a qually time.

Exactly! Ade did not participate in qually.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 11 3 Make Challenge - Hockenheim (1965-2001) - Oct 24
Post by: goldtop on October 25, 2011, 10:17:33 AM +0100
No practise for me as I wasn't sure if I'd make the race or not but know the track well from F188. Was a bit quicker in the stang, but chose the Alfa as I'd had so much fun chasing the stangs last time out and it didn't disappoint.

Lost a few places on the first lap with those long straights but just managed to hang on to Matt before he gradually pulled away leaving me for a lonely few laps. Matt then went off track at Agip allowing me to sneak through and we had a nice battle until I made a mistake at Clark Curve chicane.

Henry passed me on the way up to Senna and we then had a great battle to the end of the race. Great stuff Henry...such a pleasure to be able to race so close and fair.

Congrats to Pelle for the win and his outstanding pace and welldone podies.....I'm sure we can find Pelle another Microsoft wheel somewhere  ;)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 11 3 Make Challenge - Hockenheim (1965-2001) - Oct 24
Post by: BillThomas on October 25, 2011, 11:02:24 AM +0100
Well pleased with practice and qualifying - 2 new PBs.  Race was a disaster, made good start found room down inside of track but got caught by nudging on T1 despite going on grass and getting a cut track warning.  At first chicane under steered off on the second part and kissed barrier, getting 2nd warning.  Car handled like a pig so pitted for repairs to body and suspension, also changed tyres to be on safe side.

Not long after rejoining got a stop and go which I took.  Decided enough was enough when I got 2nd stop and go.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 11 3 Make Challenge - Hockenheim (1965-2001) - Oct 24
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on October 25, 2011, 12:35:46 PM +0100
Bill, so sorry that you felt your evenings racing was ruined by cuts. I decided to use the flags rule for this circuit as the temptation to "deviate" from the legal path may have proved to strong for some gentlemen drivers.  ;)

If possible, and as Geoffers suggested in an other events post's, we will try to run races without the flags on.

My race was very quiet so like Bill I just concentrated on PB's.

BTW what happened to Jamera, he never made the start grid?


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 11 3 Make Challenge - Hockenheim (1965-2001) - Oct 24
Post by: Jamera on October 25, 2011, 12:48:21 PM +0100
Sorry guys, got called away by the wife dashed back just in time to get DQ'd, never mind, next time

BTW how many of you guys are running with shifters, H gate or sequencial?

I have just strated using the 6 speed shifter and clutch, amazing fun and so much more immersive, but bugger me I'm slow with it lol


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 11 3 Make Challenge - Hockenheim (1965-2001) - Oct 24
Post by: BillThomas on October 25, 2011, 03:36:51 PM +0100
Sorry guys, got called away by the wife dashed back just in time to get DQ'd, never mind, next time

BTW how many of you guys are running with shifters, H gate or sequencial?

I have just strated using the 6 speed shifter and clutch, amazing fun and so much more immersive, but bugger me I'm slow with it lol

Using clutch and paddles on G25. 8)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 11 3 Make Challenge - Hockenheim (1965-2001) - Oct 24
Post by: goldtop on October 25, 2011, 04:16:05 PM +0100
BTW how many of you guys are running with shifters, H gate or sequencial?

I have just strated using the 6 speed shifter and clutch, amazing fun and so much more immersive, but bugger me I'm slow with it lol

Paddles and manual clutch only for starts here on my G27.

Tried using the H shift for realism sake but tbh I found it so far removed from a real shifter that it wasn't worth the effort. Which  reminds me, I'm tidying my garage out atm so I'll get it listed on evilbay before it gets forgotten.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 11 3 Make Challenge - Hockenheim (1965-2001) - Oct 24
Post by: spanner on October 25, 2011, 04:21:58 PM +0100
Funnily enough i shall be putting my G27 Shifter on soon as well!


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 11 3 Make Challenge - Hockenheim (1965-2001) - Oct 24
Post by: Henry on October 25, 2011, 08:23:06 PM +0100
Manual clutch and H-Shifter

 :angel:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 11 3 Make Challenge - Hockenheim (1965-2001) - Oct 24
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on October 25, 2011, 08:24:28 PM +0100
Paddles and manual clutch only for starts here on my G25.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 11 3 Make Challenge - Hockenheim (1965-2001) - Oct 24
Post by: SpecialKS on October 25, 2011, 08:31:43 PM +0100
Forgot to tell, fantastic feeling to have a steering wheel that works & could keep 100% concentration on driving.

I use a "noname" steering wheel "FlashFire Cyber Racer" which obviously isn't very sophisticated.
I bought that one for a low price in the very beginning of my "racing days".

Maybe I should buy a G25 or G27 in order to improve my performances and laptimes.

Can you recommend the G25 and/or G27?


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 11 3 Make Challenge - Hockenheim (1965-2001) - Oct 24
Post by: Syd Drake on October 25, 2011, 10:36:45 PM +0100
I had my G25 for four years and it's served me very well. Just don't expect it to magically make you faster. I was initially even slower, but speed is really in practicing, not in what kind of a wheel you use.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 11 3 Make Challenge - Hockenheim (1965-2001) - Oct 24
Post by: Pelle_B on October 26, 2011, 04:35:21 AM +0100
Can you recommend the G25 and/or G27?
I've only run a single race with G25, but if the choice should be between G25 & G27, it would certainly be G27.
Unfortunately we have only one G25 in the house, but the switch from MS SideWinder had been much easier because of the 8 paddles on the G27, as there was on MS SideWinder wheel (exactly 6 front & 2 rear). I prefer the gearshift paddles than the H-Shifter & therefore need many paddles & one for clutch.
There are also paddles on the H-Shifter & here I have moved several things, such as flashing light & horn  ;D ...but it is better to have both hands on the wheel at all times. Do not know if it is 100% genuine leather on G25/G27 (Logitec says it's leather) but it works incredibly comfortable instead of plastic/rubber.
My Christmas wish is clearly a G27...but is there anyone who has tested both sets, the brake is just as tough on G27 ?

Oops, I forgot the video we had in GTLDK...I had to see it many times before I realized it was about G27  :laugh:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5-BowDSEc0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5-BowDSEc0)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 11 3 Make Challenge - Hockenheim (1965-2001) - Oct 24
Post by: BillThomas on October 26, 2011, 11:33:28 AM +0100
Can you recommend the G25 and/or G27?

Oops, I forgot the video we had in GTLDK...I had to see it many times before I realized it was about G27  :laugh:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5-BowDSEc0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5-BowDSEc0)

Jenifer Lopex distracted you?  ;D


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 11 3 Make Challenge - Hockenheim (1965-2001) - Oct 24
Post by: Navin R Johnson on October 27, 2011, 06:24:56 AM +0100
I use a "noname" steering wheel "FlashFire Cyber Racer" which obviously isn't very sophisticated.
I bought that one for a low price in the very beginning of my "racing days".
Maybe I should buy a G25 or G27 in order to improve my performances and laptimes.
Can you recommend the G25 and/or G27?

I would recommend a G25/27 for you Kurt. I used a early model(all red wheel) Logitech Formula Force for 9 years and had no idea how bad it was or had gotten after all the wear and tear. My muscle memory was so geared up for all the wheel faults that it took me an honest 2 weeks to get used to the new/good wheel that had no idiosyncrasy's. Once that happened I was just a bit quicker but mostly much more consistent in my driving. Easier to drive especially at the tough tracks. Now that said, my first G25 lasted less than a year before it crapped out.. Logitech honored the warranty and sent me a new one and this one is around 2 years old and seems to holding up better than the last one. The shifter did get screwy after about a year and I was able to acquire a new one on eBay. If you can get a G27 that would probably be the way to go. Pluses over the G25 are... Stronger helical rack and pinion vs straight cut gears. 6 buttons vs 2 on the wheel itself. And I would think the shifter on the G27 should be much more solid and reliable because instead of having the silly rotary switch that changes it from sequential shifting to H - pattern shifting. The G27 loses the sequential and keeps the H - pattern only. I never used anything other than H - shifting for GTL and paddles for everything else anyways so it's no loss.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 11 3 Make Challenge - Hockenheim (1965-2001) - Oct 24
Post by: SpecialKS on October 27, 2011, 09:30:18 AM +0100
Thanks guys for the info.  :)

I think I'll start looking for a G27.

The main difference could possibly be the 900° wheel rotation of the G25/G27 - my current wheel
has only 180°  ::) which may lead to a much mor precise way of driving.

Consistency and precision in racing would be the main reasons for me buying a new steering wheel.