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Onto the halfway mark we have Fulvio tops in Works, but only just, with Ronnie making his mark at the top of the Privateers. Both champsionships are still wide open.

The Works will run on PRO Damage and Privateers will run on Intermediate Damage with the allowance of ONE shift-R reset. No Shift-Rs are allowed in practice unless authorized by the moderator. A Shift-R (fault or not) MUST be followed by a Stop & Go. A Shift-R for tyres/fuel is not allowed. Any driver taking more then ONE Shift-R OR failing to take a Stop & Go will be disqualified from the race result.

Race List = IGOR
Server(s);
Works = UKGPL_Gpg
IP address = 62.195.32.131
Privateers = UKGPL_T7_2
IP address = 62.149.202.168
Race date = 03-07-2011
Time = 21:00 UK time
Track = Kyalami
Variant = 67F1
Damage Model = Works; PRO / Privateers; INT
Qualifying time = 35 minutes. Don't start until 30 mins left on clock to allow everyone to join.
Race length = 50 minutes (laps 37)
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Driver lists can be found on the Works (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=302&theme=6) or Privateers (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=303&theme=6) championship standings pages.
The track can be downloaded from : papy original
Add-on’s available at : http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=1925 (http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=1925)

Please be in IGOR UKGPL chatroom by 8:50 pm UK Time

Reserve drivers should not join the server(s) until there are only 30 minutes of qualifying left. Please restrict chat to pit messages. Moderating will be by reported incidents only, however the moderators reserve the right to review any incident with a particular emphasis on lap one. The aim is to review the race the following weekend so incident reports should be submitted within five days of the race (ie the following Friday). We're hopeful most incidents can be resolved amicably and recommend a days deep breath with a replay review before posting. A sorry in the forum won't be taken as an automatic admission of guilt by the moderators. There will be FULL moderation of lap one regardless of whether you submit an incident report.
The Works will run on PRO Damage and Privateers will run on Intermediate Damage with the allowance of ONE shift-R reset. No Shift-Rs are allowed in practice unless authorized by the moderator. A Shift-R (fault or not) MUST be followed by a Stop & Go. A Shift-R for tyres/fuel is not allowed. Any driver taking more then ONE Shift-R OR failing to take a Stop & Go will be disqualified from the race result.

With the token system chassis strategy will be a factor. A driver must have sufficient tokens for the chassis he drives in the race.  Any driver who does not have sufficient tokens will be disqualified from the result and his tokens will be set to zero.

Chassis costs;
Lotus 20 / Eagle 17 / Ferrari 15 / Brabham 10 / Cooper 5 / Honda 3 / BRM 0

To see your current tokens hover your mouse over your total points on the Works (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=302&theme=6) or Privateers (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=303&theme=6) championship standings pages. Ten tokens will be added when you cross the start line.

There are two 67 Championships, namely Works and Privateers. The driver split will be;

WORKS drivers

Arf Arf Arf	Baab	Beefpie
Evil Clive	Fulvio Policardi	Tim FMG
Hristo Itchov	ivandjj	John Roberts
Rick Nauman	Sam B	Tom van O
Jethro W	Karliss (R)	Will Tway (R)

PRIVATEERS drivers

Bernie	Billy	Blito
Hannah	Fabio L	Mike T
Mike (miner)	Nigel Smith	Ronnie P
Ross N	Skymole 2173	Vosblod
Paul (Badblood) (R)	Steve Bird (R)	Happy Al (R)
PaulWBird (R)	Martin (Maddog)	Geoff Heard

67 Patch: The 1.3 Release of the 67mod can be used.

NOTE: Please ensure you join the correct server, due to the way we import if you start the race on the wrong server your result will not count.

REPLAYS
Privateers server replays will be posted in the usual place after the event. Works will now be posted at http://grandprix.xs4all.nl/ (http://grandprix.xs4all.nl/) . When downloading please check the timetable for other races and DO NOT download while another race is being run.

Ensure you have the pit wall in place.  The standard papy track has a pit wall but there are patches available that remove it.  The absence of a pit wall will not stop you joining the race but anybody seen miraculously driving through the pit wall on the server replay will be disqualified.
Instructions for restoring the pit wall are;
If you have installed the GFX update that removes the pitwall here is how to get it back for the race .
1. Rename or remove kyalami.trk and kyalami.3do files from your kyalami folder.
That will give you back a wall you can crash your car into. If you want the old papy Armco GFX back do this.
2. Rename or remove Armco_s.mip.

Kyalami (My home in Zulu) is a motor racing circuit located in Midrand, Gauteng, South Africa. The circuit has been used for Grand Prix and Formula One races and has hosted the South African Grand Prix many times. In recent years, the area surrounding the circuit has developed into a residential and commercial suburb of Johannesburg.  The original, sweeping circuit was in use from 1967 until political sanctions eliminated the Grand Prix after the 1985 race. When the circuit was rebuilt in the early 1990s as part of a commercial development, the pit straight, Crowthorne bend, Barbeque and Jukskei sweep corners were either eliminated or heavily modified, with the result that the circuit became a narrow, twisty ribbon rather than one of the fastest circuits on the calendar. Formula One abandoned the rebuilt circuit in 1993 after just two races (and a bankruptcy on the part of the promoter).

May not make this because the hard drive just died in my race pc.

Should be able to get another but won't have much time for practise by the time I've rebuilt it.

You need practise for Kya ???



A very long straight followed by 6 corners , what's to practise  :D

My thoughts exactly but for brevity skip the 'to'...

Im just relieved to have enough tokens to re-use my race-winning Eagle again. Kyalami is another track that suits me just nicely :)

Il use eagle this time for change too...hope the engine lasts, but the honda feels too fishtaily lately.

IN 67`S, THE Honda is an over power-powerered over-weight peice of shite. Only the Lotus/Eagle/Ferrari are any good tbh, the other cars are just different levels of bad :D
 

depends which way you look at it... when I get pissed, all GPL cars are crap... eagle is a box of fireworks on wheels and the steering wheel seems to be just an unfunctional ornament, lotus insists to donate tyres and engine parts to every tree and fence on the road, ferrari goes whenewer it wants, which is never the way you want, cooper is slow like the rich grandmother I dont have, BRM is just missing a cannon to turn into a crappy german WW2 tank, honda would be handling better at the sea with some minor modifications, and brabham is like a airplane turbine mounted on the back of a corcroach...

All these things have their bright side too fortinately...   

Instead of getting "1/2 cut" , you guys shoud get out the "Tcut" and polish your driving skills  :D

My fav is the Braby, and of course in the real world it seemed to manage ok! ;)

Hope I can make the race, I'm out all afternoon so it will be another turn up and run with little practice should I get back in time.  Fortunately its a well known track, albeit in the BRM.

Team boss has the Coop ready for me , was hoping for rain and a nice wet race but then realised its Sef Africa  ::)



So much for planning ahead  :-\



So here's hoping for a nice relaxing run in the Sun  ;)

Im sitting this one out as I still have a monster of a hang-over from last night.. I don't even recall being online and posting that comment! Man, I am never drinking again!

LMAO. So guess you don't remember the incident report then? By now every moderator will have a framed copy sitting on their mantelpiece ;D

On a different note Windows has kindly offered to disable my graphics card for no reason whatsover so I can't run GPL. Unlikely to be able to drive tonight as looks like a gargantuan task to fix it. Will be there to start the servers, IGOR still works so hopefully I can do that still.

if your pc has got onboard gfx as well as your gfx card check that the bios aint pointing to the onboard gfx .

john

Will do. It says;

I'm guessing it has onboard graphics as can still use it but with fuzzy VGA.

Still out so won't make the race. Have fun all!

Connection dropped just as the race was about to start @"$%  :cursing:

Have fun

Hmmm. Ninth due to a distinct lack of people around. Never driven the Brab before but it got me a PB. I am hoping I have the tokens thing right and I could drive the Brabham with no tokens to start with - i.e. I used my tokens from the start to drive with - is that how it works? Otherwise another exclusion and the BRM next time...

Had a good battle with Hannah but he was warping worse than a klingon battlecruiser and we had a coming together or five... Geoff decided to ramrod me into Crowthorne as he was demonstrating the Honda's potent straight line... don't know how he survived that one. I took out Hendy at Crowthorne by going left instead of right... oh and I bumped into him on Lap 1 but that REALLY wasn't my fault.

Long and tedious was how it felt really. Excluded or not I think I may skip a few of these over the next month or so. I've lost my Mojo. Didn't really enjoy the Porsche race, was terrible at Albi (which was HUGELY disappointing) and this was a slog.

Ah well at least I don't have to race the Historics...

Yes, apologies for that Paul. It's straightline speed wasn't a whole lot more than your Brab, but the extra weight, even braking early caught me out a bit.The Brab pulled up really well and though I tried to miss you by going off......I clipped your rear wheel with my front....:(  How it survived the crunch at the end I do not know, as after an innocuos little spin, slide and bump into the railing at Sunset on lap 5 bent the car bad enough to require a reset...????

6 bloody spins!!    :censored:    I'm outstripping the Australian Government for spin at the moment.     :shifty:    Qually was average to say the least, managed to hold onto 7th by the skin of my teeth. Got a blinding, tyre-smoking start and was 3rd into Crowthorne for the first time. Fought off a challenge from Fabio over the first couple of laps and watched the Ross and Ray Show   ;D  pull away into the distance, as I had no chance of matching their pace. It all went sort of, pear shaped, not long after that. Outbraked myself into Sunset on lap 5 or 6 and bent the car after a minor slap on the armco.......Had a further 5 or so spins, a reset and stop n go......and basicaly an ordinary race after that. Very lucky to finish 6th with Bill running off and Bernie disappearing on the last lap.......gutted for you mate. You were carrying good speed in the green tank. Hearty congratulations to my Teamie Ross for driving an excellent race......also Ray for 2nd and Mike, my old partner in grime.....for his steady 3rd. Well done lads.

Prep for this was really bad with a dead hard drive and a Windows Repair during the week. Left it until Sunday afternoon to try running GPL which I assumed would be fine, but unfortunately my Wheel and Pedals refused to calibrate.

Spent an hour or so fixing that and then couldn't be bothered driving so I went and sat in the sun again.

Qually was OK but not great and I started 8th but had the pace to get to about 4th if I'd stuck it all in one lap.

The start was very strange, I could hear everyone else's engine but not mine and when the flag dropped I lit up the rears and spun into the wall on the right. Had I gone left it would have been carnage, but luckily I went right and had a nice drive down the pit lane giving my mechanics a nasty shock as they threw their cups of tea aside and ran for the jack. They were most annoyed that I kept going and rejoined the track in last place.

Spent the first couple of laps warming everything up and overtaking the early spinners, and for some reason found my self rising to 3rd ahead of a chasing Bernie. A slight excursion later and Bernie and Michael Turner slipped past so I was back in 5th and catching Michael slowly.

Started to push a bit and closed in on Michael and plotted a way past as he went defensive. Not sure if he thought I was a leader but he seemed to let me past at Sunset so I took the position and then covered the inside at Clubhouse where he forgot to brake and sent me into the air. I landed and expected to see my mirrors full of flames but for some reason the car kept going and I caught and passed him into T1 with a move so slick and professional I repeated a few laps later after an off let him past again.

Once that was done I could pull away from him and was happy to settle for 4th as Bernie was out of reach but luckily for me he disappeared with about 2 or 3 to go and I scraped onto the last step of the podium.

Have to say thanks to the backmarkers who all let my battered and bruised Brabham past, especially Paul(I think) into T2 and Hannah into T1 with a move so slick and professional ..... you get the drift.

Good result and I'm glad I showed up despite considering attacking the bottle of Scrumpy on the shelf instead.

I had a poor qualifying finishing up near the back of the grid but made up quite a few places at the start as the pole side of the grid got bogged down behind a slow starter. However I threw it all away by spinning off at T2 ending up at the back of the field. I managed to climb back up having a few interesting skirmishes en route especially with Mike James (sorry for the bump - glad you emerged in one piece to continue the battle) and eventually finished a respectable 4th.

I couldn't seem to find any pace in the race not even to match my poor qualifying times and was easily passed by fellow Cooperite Bernie who effortlessly pulled away before meeting disaster at a later point in the race.

LOL - reading these has made me feel a lot better :D

I wondered who it was nipping back to the pits for a cup of tea in the pits - lazy boy...

As for Geoff, the spinning kept me interested for a while but every time I caught him, I thought "I MUST remain calm and lap steadily. There he is. Heart pump pump pump - arrrgggghhhh I've spun"

Mike T passed me round about lap 30 and then I caught him back up and had to brake a bit heavier than normal - "ooh I could pass him back here... arrrgggghhhh I've spun"

Mr Turner broke my heart a bit as I set a PB in qually and saw he was just 0.07 up the road - "right put a hot lap in.... arrrgggghhhh I've spun" When I got past the line the gap had grown to 1.4 secs (b*st@rd)

Well done all.

Things started well enough at Kyalami, as I put in a modest practice run, and expected more to come.  But then, it happened . . . things suddenly became rather quiet.  Hmm . . . fuel shortage perhaps, seemed unlikely.  No, discovered it was the extension cord, used to control the volume to my earphones - the Weevils had been at it!  I quickly switched to direct sound input, and was quickly reminded why F1 drivers use earplugs! :o  

To try to deaden the sound, I first tried a rubber band around my ear, to sort of dangle one earphone close by.  Unsatisfactory.  No cotton wool to hand, but plenty of paper towel, so proceeded to bung some left and right.  Success!  Still rather loud, but thus is life. Onward to victory!  

With enough time still, to improve my laptime, I was unambiguously thrown from the circuit. My new connection is proving to be rather tenuous, with expulsions coming regardless of behaviour!  Reentered, but the same happened again, as the grid procedure commenced - race over! :(

Apologies to my fellow front runners, who were expecting a spot of dicing from hereabouts.  Sounds like a great run for returnee, Ross, and a dismal 2nd place for poor Ronnie - it's all relative you know.  Until I get my connections sorted, this combatant won't be disappearing into the distance, but into infinity!

Oh, and any messages of condolance should be typed rather loudly - think some paper towel may still be active . . . grumble.

Results uploaded, I can't check for Stop and Go's in Privateers as I can't look at replays right now. They will be reviewed as part of the general modding.
Also, would Colin Craig like to step forward or does anyone know who he is? Can't see who he is from the registrations but obviously had the race password although didn't partake. For now he has gone down as 'unknown'.
Will put the Privateers replay up later, incident reports asap please.

To answer your question Paul yes you can enter using tokens yet to be given. If you don't cross the start line you don't count for tokens in the event.

First up congratulations to Ross on his win and Mike for third. A race of two halves. Got pole got the start and managed to build a small lead on Ross in the early laps. But I was thrown by the distinct absence of Martin anywhere in sight. Once I realised he was not on track I focused back on where Ross was and saw that he must have had a small issue as he was a bit further back.

Unfortunately this is where I made a fatal mistake. Instead of cracking on at qualy pace I settled into a 1.22.5 mode taking care going through any backmarkers (whose behaviour was exemplary I might hasten to add). For 30 plus laps I idled round when suddenly I woke up to find Ross large in my mirrors. Sure enough as soon as I tried to speed up I left the track. By the time I managed to avoid the armco and get back on track Ross had squeezed past and I was never going to catch him in the remaining one or two laps. Heroic drive Ross and I got what I deserved.

But to be honest I'm happy to have finished this one on the podium as opposed to on top of TableTop mountain!

One last point as it has to be said. Sorry you had hardware problems Martin. Its a shame for all of us who enjoy racing with you as well as your championship challenge. Hope to see you back on track soon mate.

I had a lovely early night in bed.... but was STILL hungover this morning!!!
BTW - I have a vague recollection of replying to a PM about an incident - I have no idea what I wrote but I seem to think it might have been dreadfull so many apologies to whoever had to read it  :-[

    :oops:

Looking at his profile's email address, Colin Craig is Arf Arf Arf.

I was glad to start the race from third place as I got back home really late and I wasn't sure to be able to race.
Race start wasn't one of my best, so I lost one place with Geoff.
Made a couple of mistake but the pace wasn't bad.
Skymole hit me and trohw me out of track when moving side right to pass Mike,
I lost a lot of time until most of the drivers passed me, then, after the s+r I milled my left wheels on the pit armco: race ended!! :death:
WD to the podium and everybody raced: see you all down under!

It was a cracker, don't apologise a most enjoyable read - well what could be read LOL. You have used up your expletive allowance for the next ten years though ;)

Aha so probably initially joined with the wrong player profile, easily done. Will leave as is.

Colin definitely is Mr Arf x 3.

Lovely to be back on the top step for the first time since November, when the wins are less frequent you do treasure them more :) Especially the manner of it, chasing down a fifteen second gap and taking the lead with three laps to go.

Before I get too carried away, as Ronnie mentioned Martin was missing today and I'm sure he would have had a big say in his Lotus. I'm also fortunate that Ronnie wasn't aware of me closing the gap to him until it was almost too late. I guess you don't use Prib or the pit board Ronnie? In any case I'm sure you would have won if you'd realised earlier.

Big respect Ronnie as you were very gracious afterwards, and grats on a pole time good enough for fifth on the Works grid. I think you've shown next season you could mix it in the higher division and your results this term have shown you to be the best in the Privateers field.

Well done to my team-mates Mike on nabbing third after all your PC issues and the fast-starting Geoff who is sure to get a headline result sooner or later. See you all at the next one.

History repeats itself!  Monaco 1970 - Jochen Rindt chases down Jack Brabham in the final 3 laps. Brabham makes a mistake, and Rindt won it.  Ok, it was 12 seconds in 3 laps, and the mistake came with a backmarker, in the final corner, but Titanic stuff, by the sound of it.  Wish I'd been there to watch, in my mirrors. ;)

You mean, he uses that pseudonym by choice?  ;D

I'll take your word for that Ross ;) WD on the win.

Works replay Report:
http://grandprix.xs4all.nl/Results/Leagues/UKGPL/Season-2011/3-ReplayAnalysis/UKGPL__Gpg.2011.07.03.23.33/
 :)
Ciao

Thanks for the replay Fulvio. My race was a similar story this season. I started well enough, until about half distance when I make a small error and lose a position or two. As a result of that, I get flustered and start driving more erratically and consequently make errors more frequently and it just spirals into a heap. I've got to find a way to calm down while driving  :-\.

A broken engine put me out of my misery when I gave the Repco a bootful in my eagerness to rejoin. Congrats to those that made it to the finish  :).

Got bumped off track at T2 L1.  Dropped me to P-last.  Didn't matter cause I put in the wrong fuel load and ran out of gas on lap 8 or 9.  That explains why I was able to rocket off the line at the green flag!  What a waste of a good Lotus.   :(

Rhindt at his very best, and I was there  :)

British GP Silverstone 1970 Brabby runs out of fuel on last lap Rindt takes the win , I was there too  :)

Monza 1970  :'( :'( :'(  I was not there but Idid shed bucketfuls

It was Brands, and I was there too!  Don't you remember that young chappy, standing on a chair?  The occasion exceeded the location.  :)

I've shown my other half the saved copy of that message and she found ot funny too - more than a hint of Eddie Irvine in my attitude apprantly :D

brain fade , happens a lot these days , I was amidst the masses at bottom bend , now re named Graham Hill bend (always knew he was bent )

great days , got in free too as with most GP's I went to .

Ironic that Brabham wanted to retire (he was 40 yrs old ) but couldnt find a decent driver to lead the team . He wanted Rindt to drive , Rindt hated the Lotus because it was so fragile,  he wanted to drive the Brabham but Chunky Chapman smooth talked him into staying with Lotus .

As Stewart said " If you want to win GP's go drive a Lotus , If you want to live to old age go drive for Brabham  :-\

R.I.P. Jochen


 

Interesting quote Bernie I've not heard that before. I do know that Jochen actually wrote to Chapman during the 1970 season to complain about the car after a particularly nasty crash, possibly not that long before the tragic Monza weekend.

Also every time I see Nina Rindt interviewed it is abundantly clear she is still very bitter about Jochen's death. Thankfully safety standards are much better now, even if some say the challenge has been diluted.

A lot of stuff came to light about Chunkies "add lightness" policies since he departed the scene,  people  who knew better kept shtum from loyalty (and in some cases fear of libel I suppose)

Clark's death at Hockenhiem was put down to a tyre suddenly deflating , but Chris Amon (among others ) who was racing that day had other ideas  :(

Jackie Oliver's Lotus 49 broke in half in front of the pits at Rouen  :o

Suspension failures and bits falling off were common 

Back to the GPL world , where do I find the server replay for this race , doesnt seem to exist  :-\

http://www.jamesonline.net/ukgpl/

If GPL really modelled each chassis and engine properly, with all their flaws, none of you would ever take the Lotus for a whole season.  :D

The game, as it came, back in good old '98, came with more fragile cars, than we're used too now.  The mod teams came to our rescue.  I seem to remember the Lotus being about the worst.  Fortunately, reality stopped there, as I don't remember too many reports of death as a result, but quite a lot of frustration!  :(

Yes, the 67 Lotus (in game) certainly isn't very reliable, but it's MUCH more reliable than the real thing ever was, lol.

In actual fact the  H16 BRM was king of the unreliability stakes, bettered only by its 1950's V16 1.5 liter counterpart. Yet in GPL its almost rock solid , pity its related to the sloth family  :)  (in my hands anyway )

I don't think the Sim, does justice to the '67 BRM.  It's speed was not bad at all, so the reliability factor must've been factored into it's performance, rather than deformance.

Lots of differences to reality in GPL, i.e. at Monza the Brabhams were very quick and so was the Honda, but gl taking either of them up against Eagle, Lotus or Ferrari in GPL.

Monza was a big slipstreaming contest in those days so any shortcomings in the powercurve could be overcome .

Dont forget th 67 race  Jimmy made a pit stop for a punctured tyre to be changed ( took ages in those days)  rejoined a full lap behind the leaders , unlapped himself , went on to lead the race only to splutter to a halt out of gas a few laps before the flag .

One of his finest drives  ;)

Jimmy also scored the very unreliable BRM H16's only grand prix win , testamount to his superb mechanical sympathy  8) 

Yes, for sure slipstream played a big role. Wish we would have a patch for 67 slipstream as well, to bring it on the level of 65 mod (which you apparently never experienced, Bernie?  ;D ).

I prefer '^' to 'x' - Arf^3  The 'Mr' is entirely at your discretion :)   And yes, I did log on with the wrong user profile at the start - took my ages to work out what had happened to my setups..sorry Vos.

I've been quiet for a few days because I didn't have internet at my new place, but it kicked in today, so I'm looking forward to seeing how good the connection is (using Plusnet, Virgin can't do fibre optic in my area).

Having said that, I did both Works and PSC last weekend using wifi on a laptop!!!!! The difference to previous attempts was simple - PowerMonger. I can now confirm that disabling SpeedStep in GEM preferences doesn't appear to help you on iGor. The connection seemed to be perfect - long may that continue.

Roll on Lakeside

(Mr )Arf(^3)  :D

So would that be Arf cubed which in any London street is an eighth!

one an arf shirley  ;)

larf art lowd

Well, it would help keep me calm for racing..
....we don't do random drug testing in UKGPL, do we???

 ;D

. . . . . . . You're barking up the wrong street, guys. ::)

Oh! dear  :lol:

Race moderation now published.