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WELCOME TO THE UKGPL SEASON 21 HISTORIC (66) TROPHY 

For the sixth round we go to Germany. The Sachsenring circut is rather long and all the way you just have to be aware.

There will be full moderation of lap one, and then reported incidents for the rest of the race. Please submit incident reports within a week after the race so that the moderators report may be out before the next race.

Please restrict chat to a minimum, (or maybe none).

Best of luck.
 
Race List =            iGOR
Server =               UKGPL_T7_2
IP Address =         62.149.202.168
Race date =          5-7-2011
Time =                 21.00 UK time
Track =                Sachsenring  1967   Grober Preis der DDR
Variant =              66F1 2L engines
Damage Model =   PRO
Qualifying time =  35 minutes. Do not start driving until 30 min left.
Race length =       Pro Long (18 laps)

The track can be downloaded from: http://gpltd.bcsims.com/include/downloadtrack.php?&track=Sachsr67&track_link=/tracks/sachsr67.zip (http://gpltd.bcsims.com/include/downloadtrack.php?&track=Sachsr67&track_link=/tracks/sachsr67.zip)


Group I
T1F Eagle Climax
Lotus 33 Climax

Group II
Brabham BT11 2.5lt
Lotus 33 BRM


GroupIII
Ferrari 246
Brabham BT11 BRM
BRM P261
Brabham BT11 2.7lt


Drivers Restricted to cars from Group I
Hristo Itchov


Drivers Restricted to cars form Group II or Group I
Tim Muttram

All other drivers have free chassis choice.

Password: see above

(2) Driver lists can be found on the championship standing page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=304&theme=6)

another one for me to miss - far to complex to be actuallyenjoyed as a racing track!!!

Actually it's not too hard to learn although there are two really nasty corners. Easier if you aren't drunk Jase ;)

Don't miss it Jason, its a great track, its not too hard to learn and provides excellent racing.

Anyone knows where to find driveable 66 2litre setups? Il probably drive the eagle t1f, but theres no hope for me if I try to make my own...

And this track is damn torture!!!  :cursing:

downloading the track for a quick look, seeing as I missed my GPL "fix" last night.........


Sky - I'll have a crack at the track in the 66 BRM V8 - my setup should be good for you :)

You can't ask for a "driveable" setup unless you're using a wheel.  ::) Perhaps Raoni could give you a few pointers though.

Why, Alison Hine and Gregor Huttus are perfect, and yours are so-so ok... even Steve Cloyd nuburg setup is decent for this track, but i bottom out badly at this damn corner after the second hairpin...

well - you are all miles faster than me but I have sub 3 mins as a target. 3:04 is my best but I was running out of fuel so my top speed was way down. Its all about confidence here.

Why so many popups? And beware of some of the bankings...they can send you flying 50 meters in the air... NIce track, bit buggy, definetly not good for pro setting, almost no passing spots at the fast sections... Historic probably have been created especially for mazochists.

Slapped some setup finnaly, and got to 2.54, but I needed enormous ride height to prevent myself to spend half the lap in the air... 

And I can say Hine's are so-so, Huttu's are OK for some cars and not others, and mine are quite good.  ;) You should really put some effort in learning how to do your own setups that much your own driving style, otherwise it's a matter of luck whether some setup suits you or not, at every single track/car combination.

  Well, since theres almost nothing left from the Cloyd setup, i guess i could call it my own setup... I lost half the bolts, the engine isnt mounted exactly straight, I suspect I have put the bump rubbers upside down, theres funny noise coming from the gearbox, I had to stick some scotch tape on that hole in the oil tank and im not sure that thing i tied the back rollbar with will hold...othervize the car is going perfectly fine. And i spilled oil all over the track...sorry about that, but just be careful, ok?

Oops just had a look last night, wrong track this is a sod!!!! Sorry Jason.

Thinking I might give this a go , purely in the interests of scientific research  ::)



plus the fact I'm house sitting  sitting tonight and will be bored stiff  :P

Looking forward to this - Sachsenring is great fun  ;D

So you lapping in 2:05 then Tim :D

Oh dear - screen freeze on UKGPL3 - don't think its latency... that server is in my loft!

Never seen freeze problems with this track.

I had screenfreeze yesterday at UKGPL3, but I checked "toss bigger mips" at Gem... that usially fixes it for me.

Span at KTS chasing H then had a Black screen on lap 3 having climbed back to 4th  :(

yeah - server crashed out on lap three ...

Server crashed so we're going to start again, entering by qualifying positions - hope you come on time!

disconnected from the server when 0 min on quali time left, no change to get back in time.

needed to reset my modem to get back connection. :-\

Fully unprepared for this track , I had raced here before but not with 66mads ! Forgot what a sod it is and spent practise trying  varieties of ride heights dampers and bumpers , but whatever I tried,  my Lotus seemed to leap around like a mad lemming

Suprised to have lasted 5 laps , could have driven more carefully for a finish but with the re start putting me higher up the order I could smell Phil's exhaust fumes and thinking he might be company for 18 laps I decided to give chase but I overtook my driving talent instead

Spent the rest of the race watching the very close fight btw Tim and H which alone was worth the entrance fee , superb racing there chaps with some very talented moves witnessed (rest of the world take note how to race hard, close, and clean )  :)

Grats then to H T& E  (who also drove well for P3 )

P.S. Martin thanks for the entertainment , think you had as many offs as myself  but you survived the hardest of the haybales a little longer (dunno how )  ;D

It was the best of times - it was the worst of times.  I've a very tenuous link on life on the track ATM.  My racing connections are tenuous, and I was fully expecting to get dropped again.  Rather surprised to find t'was not I, who lost the plot, at the first asking.

The dress rehearsal, made little difference to the main event.  Found myself again sauntering around in 5th, and expecting to disco at any mo.  A nice quiet cruise would've suited, but my pitboard told me, Dave had something else in mind. ;)

It's one of the mysteries of life, how a corner can be perfectly taken, 10 times out of ten, but the eleventh time, it bites you!  Such was the case, mid-race. Which meant, with Dave gone, I succumbed to a scrap with Fulvio, while bouncing my car off the scenery a couple of times.  Our luck ran out, when I attempted a smoke screen as he closed in, but fatally, forgot to move out of the way in time!  Entirely my fault.

The good news is, my connection lasted the race better than I did.  That is also the bad news.:turned: 

You cheeky devil Bernie - you only got higher up the grid 'cos you joined early. Naughty boy!

I decided I was racing the track not the others and I can fairly easily lap around 3:05. As you can see from my fastest I was lapping well below that. My best is 3:00 but I wanted to get to a points scoring place. Made up loads of places on Lap 1 by carefully steering through the carnage and then some bugger tagged me. I waited until everyone had gone to avoid ANY potential contacts and set off. Hit the haybales on the outside of the chicane despite being careful and there and then decided to be ultra cautios and drive for a finish. So, tuned in Classic FM and settled down to a nice 35mph average...

It was hard to concentrate going so slowly and I had some spins - particularly in that bloody chicane. Anyway. Got to the magic 10th lap and thought - right now I can go for it... set a couple of blue sectors easily and then crashed at the chicane. Bugger. Should have just pootled round for three more laps.

Biggest challenge was staying out of the way of all the others and making sure that I got caught at points where people could pass easily. Had one worrying moment when Clive span in my mirrors and I thought 'Oh no, I've put him out'. To my relief he soon caught me up again and I made sure he had TONS of room. He went past sideways :D

Enjoyed the practice more than the race but nice to get some points at last. More than doubled my total of laps completed as well.

Race report might be interesting as well.

Glad the server crashed in race one as I made a right old mess of it  ;D

Race 2 was odd, I joined the server to find Hristo already in there and then got given the pole spot when I went to the grid??
Decided there was nothing I could do about it now so decided that rather than trying the extra-ordinarily risky maneuver of letting H by on the start I'd let him have '1 free pass' and basically let him by - which he used on the run down to KTS  ;D

From there on (especially after Clive dropped back enough to stop worrying me) it was a great battle, I get the feeling that we were both pushing as hard as we dared in an attempt to see the flag first as we each made little mistakes quite frequently  :D
We each took different approaches to setup here (again) as I had a very stiff setup that could take the compression at Heiterer Blick flat out without bottoming - H couldn't but as a result had slightly more grip to play with elsewhere while I was skating about!

We swapped places several times right up untill my first proper mistake, this was then compounded by a whole host of distractions going off in my room around me - not least of which was an alarm clock! (I'd been meaning to watch a film after the race, but the server crash ment it started while we had about 4 to go :( ) This didn't exactly help me concentrate and catch H quickly!  ::)

Then just as I got back into my rythem (And I think possibly even closed the gap slightly) I span at KTS and parked facing the haybales  :-[
Race now lost I made a quick 3 point turn and continued - my only hope being that H ran out of fuel or something  :ninja:

Sadly he didn't (I finished with about another 5laps of fuel for some reason!)

Anyway, well done on a desearved victory H, and well done for bringing it in 3rd Clive. Also congrats to all finishers  :)

Sorry I missed the rerun, rats!

Well, I preferred the way things were looking in race 1 before the server had migraine!! 

After Tim tangled with the bales at the Esses on lap 1, he sort of glided out of my path and I swept through into 2nd spot behind Hristo whilst there was mayhem behind. I was in no great hurry and was more than content to sit a safe distance behind Hristo in case he had a "moment" on this unforgiving circuit. I was quite deliberately going easy, as I did not want to close the gap and was well ahead of the car in 3rd place, so I had my own bit of space . After the disco (which was greeted by some very choice words!! ::), I was surprised when Hristo accused me of being a bit fast??!!

Race 2 was a little different as Tim did not have the decency to repeat his haybale testing move and insisted on racing Hristo instead. Again I was happy to sit a safe distance back and wait for mayhem ahead. I could see that they were having a very intense battle and frankly I thought that it would have to end in disaster for one or both of them. But they maintained their pace and their battle, nice driving guys, and I held my distance as the pace picked up.
Then I clipped a kerb quite heavily, and on the same lap I caught Paul on the long back straight . Not sure if there was some minor warping going on, or if Paul's car really was proving a handful, but I had a real problem deciding which side to pass... and I chose wrong!! lol. I thought I actually clipped Paul's rear wheel (but it seems that he felt nothing) and was bumped onto the grass. I regained the track just in front Of Goran and was able to get back up to speed and hold 3rd spot, but by now Hristo and Tim were a memory  :-\,
From then until the end of the race the car was not handling quite so well and I was unable to push hard without risking everything, so I settled into a steady pace and hoped for the leaders to have a
 problem or run out of fuel, they didn't!!
Only a handful of finishers on a very tough track. Not tough to learn but very difficult to run at 100% I find. Big grats to Tim and Hristo for their high speed dice and to all those who finished.

Sorry about that Clive. I was very concerned when I saw you spin - I thought you first caught me in the outskirts of the town... I'll check the replay. I was just trying to stay out of the way TBH.

There are some really nasty blind crests and I actually went for a trip on the railway in practice - off the bridge approaching the last turn. It was bloody hard getting up the banking but I was impressed that the track builder had modelled the rails... Found it really hard to create a setup that rode OK and didnt keep bottoming out. In the end I settled for taking the compressions at around 20mph...

20mph ? didnt know these cars did 20  :D

I used the  railway tracks ( both bridges)  so many times during qually I had to buy a season ticket  :-[

Only when I hit top gear of course... Made me laugh Bernie.

Had a look at the replay Clive and you must have hit the collision box because there is clear air between us. I did stay quite far right so I am VERY glad that you didn't try a pass on that side!

Mod report, Eh I mean Paul`s race report is published.

Göran

PS. sorry it was a bit late.