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Next stop in the Spec Race merry-go-round is Monza - not the Papyrus original but the Full 10K version which is the 67 track plus a heavily banked & slightly bumpy oval - to be taken flat out.  The oval was closed to F1 on account of it being too dangerous but Spec Series drivers  spit in the eye of danger & if that fails we always have the option of a Shift R. (Can you resist launching the car off the top of the banking to se what happens?) The 10K track was used for the finale of the 1966 film Grand Prix which is well worth a look if you haven't seen it.

Monza is a classic power circuit but will home advantage even up the odds between the  Ferrari & the raw speed of the Eagle?

A double win for Hristo at Albi means he has won in every race he has competed this season but the table is led by fellow Wazza, Evil Clive.  Natan occupies third place.

The track can be downloaded here monza10K (http://www.dixierunners.speedgeezers.net/monza10k/)

Spec Racing the format is a little different from other divisions. There will be two Intermediate Short Races, back to back on the same track. For each event there are two chassis available and you should drive both cars - anyone daft enough to use the same car will be disqualified for Race 2. Start with whichever chassis you like.
There is no handicapping all participants will run in one division.
Unlimited resets are allowed but every Shift R must be followed by a Stop & Go in the pit lane. If you Reset on the last lap a 30 second time penalty will be awarded.
Incidents should be reported in the usual way.
In line with other divisions the races will be subject to full moderation on lap one.
Also please note that qualifying runs are limited to 12 minutes. (But as it’s a rather long lap I will probably allow 15, at least for Race 1)

Race List = IGOR
Server = UKGPL_T7_2
IP address = 62.149.202.168
Race date = Friday 08-07-2011
Time = 21:00 UK time (21:00 GMT)
Track = Monza Full 10K
Race length = Intermediate Short
Variant = 1967
Chassis = Ferrari & Eagle
Damage Model = Intermediate
Qualifying time = 12 minutes

Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R;group=308;theme=6)

Practice server is up - in fact there are TWO practice servers...

Gutted, my favorite track and won't be around. Have fun.

Get your specially built, low CoefD, high efficiency race overalls on boys. Get used to slip-streaming duels at 190mph.....You're not in Kansas anymore, Toto.
Steel toe-capped driving socks are optional..... ;D
Lets get a good field for this one.....makes it more interesting with more cars to get a tow from.   ;)

Yeah this is Monza²

But I don't get the Fez near to the Eagles perfomance...

Greetings :chef:

I cannot handle the Eagle on the banking at 195mph it is VERY unstable. Getting a best of 2:26 - which is also ran territory.

It means it's bottoming out, so you're running either too soft or too low, or both.

or bumps set too high  :)

or bumps set too low  ;D

Er right I'm not confused now at all...

Eeek. Anyone got a setup I can borrow.

Not me , dont have any 66 set ups worth a light and  none at all for eagul or fezzerr

what I do is set the ride hieght about 2.7 inch all round and 1.25 bumps , if the suspension bottoms out it either suddenly hits the chassis (use the bump rubbers to stop that happening ) or it hits the bump rubbers .

So raise the ride hieght a click or two , I try just the rear first (which helps dial out any understeer,  because in raising the rear we have reduced the rear roll stiffness)

NOTE contrary to popular belief , raising the rise height can improve grip , WHY ? because we have more suspension movement available which we need on bumpy tracks ( Monza banking was notoriously bumpy)

Downside is we need to follow up any increase in ride hieght by fitting thicker bump rubbers (thats what they were , litterally blocks of rubber fitted in the suspension )  otherwise the car will bottom out on the bumpers and cause instability (usually symtom is spinning completely out of control under braking )

Hope after reading this your now as confused as what I is  ::)

 

Er right - thanks. It is the 67's though, not the 66's.

Well, you can't expect to improve unless you learn the meaning of setup settings, so the sooner the better. If you share the setup we could give a more exact advice as to what may be causing you to bottom out on the banking, otherwise it's just a number of suggestions as Bernie has pointed out.

my comments are good for all mods (dunno about GT's havent been there yet )



Ooops just wasted an hour on 66 setups

Have to admit I didn't actually try all the chassis on all the tracks. The Eagle is wiping the floor with the Ferrari in straight line speed although the Fez is a bit more reliable in the corners. I'm finding the difference almost 2 seconds per lap. I got the Eagle up to 200mph - its faster than Spa & the 67's are quicker than 69 cars on this circuit. (Guess that proves wings are for fairies).
Could be an interesting couple of races with chassis selection changing the usual pecking order.
On set ups I'm running ride height of 2.75 & bumps of 1.0 to 1.1. Outlap is a little boisterous but get some heat in he tyres & its fine.

I confirm, same here!

If you want to get rid of all those people in pits and have fps drops, just try my Monza10k track folder ;)

_http://oron.com/vm4gq4yr4n0u/monza10k.7z.html_

Greetings :chef:

Nice, thanks, Axel! Always wanted a fix for that...

Remember to keep some top gear up your sleeve for slipstreaming......as both of these will expire if over-revved for too long

Sadly I am going to miss this one as I am in bed with a temperature - and a very nice girl she is too...

Billy how can you have bumps of 1.0 to 1.1 - mine go up in single units between 1 and 5?

If that's the case then you probably don't have the latest patches installed or you start GPL from GPL.exe instead of the modded exes (or via GEM).

I think he means "bump rubbers" as opposed to the bump settings on the shock absorbers ?

That could be it as well, lol. I noticed a couple of people calling bump rubbers and bump setting of the shock absorbers just "bumps", which is rather ambiguous.

Ah yes - of course - I hadn't even notice that they WERE called Bump Rubbers - I never touch them... so I only knew about Bump and Rebound (the shame)

Race 1 - I've just had the weirdest retirement! I was running quite well, up in 6th place, approaching Parabolica. I touched the brakes in exactly the same way as I had on each preceding lap but somehow this time they "grabbed" and the car slewed sideways and came to rest against the fence on the outside of Para.. It would not drive forward, or backwards, and I could not perform a shift+r but dont know why :(
Reason being given for retirement is "Susp"
not amused :(

Race 2 - another retirement - this time over the top of the final banking whilst in the lead with one lap to go!!!

TBH, lets face it - this circuit is just shit.

You were never in the lead, trust me, Sam led for the whole duration. It's the server timing messing up seriously for some reason - I hope Billy can sort it out (and also post the actual fastest lap time of the race as well).

I kind of guessed something had gone wrong somewhere ... I had passed a good few pile-ups on the way round but couldnt believe what prib was showing me even though the pitboard was also showing P1....  I get the feeling that this circuit is seriously messed up really......
Bit of laugh though, and everyone really should check the race 2 replay just see my car bouncing over the top of the banking :D

Race results may be delayed whilst I sort out what actually happened on Race 2.
The track is known to be a bit glitchy, although we have raced here before & I thought the banking make it a fun event.
Repalys have been posted if you want to look.

Sorry buddy - might have jumped the gun a bit. The replay shows that the server simply counted Hendy as having done a lap when he reset off the start. Same with Clive. It is a strange one but we may have to adjust results. I don't think either Clive or Hendy would claim this as their most distinguished race. Stop n Gos were a bit dodgy too.

As for my world record in Race 1 - Hendy was involved there too. He and I had a coming together at the bridge and when I reset I was on the banking... half a lap further up the road. Personally I am quite happy to be given a penalty equal to half a lap - say 1:15 or to be excluded altogether.

Replays are a bit buggy too. Keeps crashing if you have an out of car view.

Realistically Evil and Hendy sandwich Ronnie in seventh and ninth as their race time is actually the time to finish six laps but they might well have made seven laps which would put them just behind Geoff. That is before any time penalties or other modding effects.

Yeah, the last I saw of Clive, although I don't use prib so I had no idea who it was, I drafted past him on the North Banking I think it is. Yes, drafted PAST Evilclive, you read correctly. A highlight of my GPL online career. Then, held off his determined counter-attack until he was unfortunately wiped from my 6 on the exit of Ascari by.....yes?.....Someone elses accident.
Bad luck Clive, thought you might just follow me through the wreckage. But you chose to pull inside of me........right into the path of a wreck drifting my right to left. If that had have been real...........ouch. Upshot is, I think for certain he was behind me at the finish.
Apologies for the Noob effort of the week, allowing my car to rail ride in T1 after the start, then the inevitable meeting of the greenery, post Rail. The hedge then bounces me back onto the track with as much force as the bloody Womping Willow. Thence ensued crap all over the place........mostly bits of racing car. Sorry gents, got a good start and moved up a few places in the first couple of hundred metres, then it got so crowded in Curva Grande that I had no room to get the car turned properly, as on cold rubber......the Fezza seemed reluctant to turn without brutal persuasion. The short ending, a trip to the Curva Grande exit Hedge. Settled down and drove to the end....until the last lap exiting Sud Curve. I ran the Sth Curve high all the way round til I can see the exit nearing, then pull down low to keep the car off the exit Armco without wrestling it and losing drive off the banking onto the straight. On the last lap, Ray was sticking his nose in the Eagles skirts and drafting up close. I was holding him off.....just, without driving defensively.......using the racing line, but I couldn't pull down low when I needed to as Ray had pulled inside and disappeared from my mirrors, I had to leave him room or there might be a wreck......oops too high!!, flung against the left rail and bouncing back into Rays path. Which ended in a monumental high speed wreck. I'd worked my way back from last to 6th or 7th.......Sigh, next time. Fun races though. I love this track, has more of a real feel about the driving surface, than the original Papy track A lot slipperier in places than the Papy unit too. Congrats to podiums of both races......18's????

Don't get what this track is about myself , raced here (if you  can call it that ) a few times previous but not with 67's and my opinion has not changed . 2/3 of it just like driving on the M6 , utterly boring , can see why the RL drivers boycotted it in the 60's
Having said that I love Monza without the high speed oval bit , one of the better GPL tracks IMO

I'm pretty crap at qually and was well down the order in R1 but had a good race set up and hoped to make a place or two but the Gods of Monza thought otherwise and I got taken out on Lap 1 at Parabolicup by a wayward Geoff as he extracted his car from the bushes as I was passing , sorry if anyone else got involved .

R2 was a total disaster my Fezzerr set up was crap to say the least (even more crap than the driver so must have been bad ) , managed to avoid the T1 dodgems and was thinking   Hmmm ! "Thank you guys , this could be good for track position " but then I got to Lesmo's and realised why my set up was so crap .

Yes you guessed right , that old sucker punch "default set up" was loaded by error ,  49 laps worth of Gas and way overgeared did nothing much to help forward progress . In my enthusiasm to set the track alight I dissapeared over the top a couple of times and used S/R (thought these were PRO rules ) which re set me, both times, right in the middle of the banking  ! By this time though I'd given up and didnt bother with making Pit stops to atone for my sins

At first sorry Göran for that encounter we had in the first banking in heat one,
but even after several looks at the replay I can't say whose fault...  ::)

Had done some practice and found, that my cars aren't too bad after some close fightings with more experienced drivers.
I can't understand the troubles some have in the bankings, as for me they are just like full throttle straights...

Race 1
As a first reserve I waited to join and saw all the fast drivers will drive Ferrari, so my chance will be the Eagle ;)
Wow this worked fine! Had a good start and could keep in reach of the leaders.
After two carefull laps, my tires were warm, I begun to fight with Nathan in his slower Fez and finaly got him in a great battle.
Being now second with Clive half a mile in front, I said to myself on the backstraight to Parabolica "Now just don't make a  mistake!" .
But now braking in Para I did....
Ran wide in sand and lost my position again to Nathan  :'(
Rejoining, Göran got the chance to come besides me out of Para and we went full throttle to the banking where I kept the inside.
In practice I had done this several times and it was no problem for me to keep under the yellow line, but it is way more bumpy there!
In the middle of the banking we touched, both running near this yellow mark with lots of space for Göran on the outside.
Luckily I was not affected, as 2 seconds later a Paul was parking on my line and I could just avoid crashing...
So I drove in a 3rd place, with Nathan in front now too far away to catch.

Race2
Now my odds were not as good in the Ferrari, as all the fast drivers were in front of my 7th starting position...
But I luckily could avoid being involved in the hassle, that was caused by the outbreaking Fez in front of me, at the start.
So I reached the Curva Grande as 5th and held this position til the end, as I had no chance to reach the slipstream of Göran and Nathan.
Most of the race a brilliant mouse driving Sky followed  me in a secure distance :thumbup1:

Saw the strange ranking changes in pribluda  :eek:

Greetings :chef:

A tale of two halves those races. The first race was an utter disaster. I didn't set up the Ferrari properly and there wasn't enough time to change the setup. Also, my computer crashed on me twice which meant I could squeeze just squeeze in two flying laps. On the first I was baulked by traffic. On the second, I went wide at the Curva Grande and slewed into the hedges  :-\. The start of the race didn't fare that well either. With the traffic cones on my right I could only follow the car in front but sadly I got caught in Geoff and Bernie's tangle after the first corner. From then it was a fight up the field.  Had a good fight with Bill on the last lap and somehow finished 6th after all the calamities.

The 2nd race was much better. I was reasonably happy with the Eagle's setup and managed to snatch Pole in the dying minutes of the session. The start went well enough and after the Lesmo's I managed to pull a slight breather on H in the Ferrari. That was crucial for the remainder of the race as I was just too far away from H for him to get a tow from my car. He was dynamite through the Lesmo's and under-braking for the Parabolica but my car's straight line speed advantage made our times evenly matched.

Pleased to have finally won a race after some time. I just hope the results stand after the events at the start  :angel:. Congrats to everyone that made it to the podium.

I know I apologised immediately after the race last night but let me say again I'm really sorry about the fiasco at the start of race 2. I have just watched the replay and its horrible. I have never pirouetted at the start like that before here, maybe the camber settings on my Fez had something to do with it maybe my foot was too heavy on the gas, whatever, sorry.

I still really enjoyed both races despite my coming together with Geoff in the final stages of race 1 and that dreadful start in race 2. I for one think this track is brilliant and hope to see it used again in a longer format.

  I made the same mistake for the first race and drove the ferrari with default setup and 50 laps worth of race fuel... Which didnt turn out bad at all. Car was behaving like a dream, tho i could hear bottom scraping the asphalt all over the banks. Its definetly pure luck that i ended so high, but this was my first perfect race with not one mistake from my side...
  However, i second race with eagle i had the proper setup and still was a dissaster. MIssed the braking zone to parabolica twice, skyrocketed from the banks twice and just gave up...

Looking at those results your best was a 2m24.xx  ::)

Sorry but the default setting is crap to say the least  ;D

What about championship table ?
Do you gonna fix last race points ?

Thx
Natan

They better, lol! I also hope the fastest laps are fixed (the 10 secs laps ditched!)

Well, I definetly am no match to evil and hendy... but they have special way with feraris i guess. 2100 mph is just...wow!  :D

As you will have noticed we have corrected the race results as best we can. The server skipped a lap for Hendy, Jason and Clive in Race 2 and gave them a lap time equal to the point at which they reset in lap 1. We have added their best qualification time + 5 seconds for lap 1 to achieve a realistic lap time which has obviously resulted in some movement. Whilst recognising that this is not absolutely perfect it is the best solution we have come up with. The moderators discussed this at some length and agreed that this was the most equitable solution all round. The points for the series have also been adjusted accordingly. So well done to Sam, even if the victory came in the Steward's hut!

Note that I (Badblood) benefited from a strange reset which skipped me half a lap. I have added 0.5 x Qualification + 5 seconds to deal with this which has resulted in me being demoted behind Ronnie, which is more realistic.

If you have any comments or questions I would be grateful if you would PM me before posting here. I am keen to avoid an argument in the forum due to misinformation. Not that UKGPL drivers would ever do that.  ;D

Can you adjust the correct fastest lap times so they are read by SROU? ATM it shows much slower times as the fastest, for both races. And BTW, why not just watch the replay and see the actual finishing positions of those whose times messed up at the end, instead of adding random 5 seconds to their lap times from qual?

Because we are limited in what we can do with altering data within LM2. It is not random. The 5 secs is to account for the fact that this is lap 1 and accelerating away from a standing start is slower by roughly that amount. The FL has not been updated even though the underlying data has. This is the only way I am ever going to get an FL so I am not too unhappy with the situation ;)

 :2guns: :gun_bandana: :hammer: :fencing:

Lol - not sure why the fastest lap hasn't been updated but you and Evil have loads anyway ;)

Paul, I wonder if there is a separate field in the lm2 data structure which stores the fastest lap. Even though the underlying times have been updated that field is probably still out of date.

Shame there is no way to alter that but I suspect we'd need access to the database directly, which Gizmo probably wouldn't allow.

There is a Race Fastest Lap field which has been amended to match the real best lap as taken from the replay/report but clearly the code to create the grids and record keep is not fully in tune with this. The relationship must be complex because my Profile shows that I have a Fastest Lap but my record has disappeared as has Hendy's.

The main point is that we have a reasonable as opposed to a ridiculous race result with supportable points totals.

I agree that's the point, saying FL next to your name is not the end of the world (for you anyway Paul ;)). It's a bit like if you win and subsequently drop places after penalties your personal record still shows numero uno. I'm not going to go cap in hand to the lm2 god in the sky when the championship tables are correct.

I wasn't suggesting that, just speculating on how the data must be stored in the database.

Mod report now published.

Message understood Mike, thanks for your understanding of that race 2 start, hockey puck indeed.