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UKGPL Season 21 65 Novices Trophy
Race 6 Monza

Round 6 of the Novices Trophy is at the fastest circuit on the calendar, Monza, the cathedral of motorsport.  Built in Villa Reale park north of Monza and officially opened on 3 September 1922. The 1933 race was marked by the deaths of three drivers and the Grand Prix layout was changed, with two chicanes added and the longer straights removed. The first grand prix after WW2 was held on 17 October 1948. The high speed banking was added in 1954. 1961 had a fatal accident, with Wolfgang von Trips and fourteen spectators dying near the Parabolica. Despite the fact that the bankings were not involved in that accident, F1 never raced on the oval again (except in the film Grand Prix made in 1966). The 1000 km Monza staged the last event on the banking in 1969. Various 'safety' measures were introduced in subsequent years with additional chicanes and run off areas.

Drivers should be especially careful on lap 1 as usual but especially under braking with cold brakes and tyres at the Lesmos and please keep to your own side of the track through the Curva Grande unless you are sure that there is no one alongside.

Please see the Novices registration thread for an explanation of the chassis allocations shown below:
https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=9196.0

FULL TIME

DRIVER	CHASSIS
Billy NoBrakes	BT11
Nigel Smith	Honda
Maddog	Cooper
Il_Lupo	Ferrari
HappyAl	Ferrari
NHance	BT7
Norbert	Ferrarii
Blito	BRM
RogUK	Cooper
BadBlood	Honda
Francesco	Ferrari
Karliss	Cooper
Cookie	Cooper
DuFossa	BT11
Economia	BRM
JonnyO	BT11

RESERVE

DRIVER	CHASSIS
Maestro	Cooper
Bookie	1
Fragfritz	1
GTA66	1
s2173	BT11
ivandjj	BT11

Reserve drivers should not join the server until there are only 30 minutes of qualifying left so as to give the FULL TIME drivers chance to join, and drivers are not to go out on track until there are 30 minutes of qualifying left as this helps all drivers join the server successfully.

Please restrict chat to pit messages if necessary, and this includes the end of the race, until all running drivers have completed the necessary laps.

The Novice races are run under Int Long rules and all incidents will be moderated.

Race List = IGOR
Server = UKGPL5
IP address = ping myjamesonline.net
Race date = 12/07/2011
Time = 21:00 UK time
Track = Monza
Variant = 65F1
Damage Model = Int
Qualifying time = 35 minutes
Race length = 24 laps
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

65 Patch: The 2.02 Release of the 65mod can and should be used.
http://bit.ly/d8dECl

Driver lists can be found on the Novice Championship Page (http://www.)

you forgot Jochen Rindt 1970 at Monza....

So frustrating in many ways but so much fun in others. Sorry to Du Fossa who I blatted whilst we were both in the sand at Parabolica. Sorry to Cookie for spinning in front of him and finally BIG thanks to Jason. First he confuses me coming out of the pits making me crash out and go last - mind you I took him with me despite there being no contact. Then he undertakes me in the pits... and then we have a fantastic wheel to wheel battle. Finally I crash coming to Para and he is half a mile up the road.... whats this? I'm catching him fast - he must have had problems - ah yes - clearly he has engine issues - no acceleration. Luckily just as I catch him, his engine picks up and we have three more laps... final time into Lesmo, I have to keep close so I can get a tow and undercut into Para - there is NO defence... Unfortunately, me being me I bugger it up, touch the armco and spin.

Big fun though and big thanks to UKGPL's JB who is a better chap than that other JB. Proud to call him a mate... Er... Jason, not Jenson ;)

Lot of work for 14th though.

Congratz Johny'O !!!
MONZA, i think this was a race with most lead changes in this season.

this was very very exciting race for me. Fighting all race long!!!!!!
(thanks to Cookie practise server and sparing partner :) , that was very very helpful, cos Monza is track with worst blind spots imo)

I was very lucky several times, cos started from P9, and avoid several Warp crashes just infront of me.
Sorry for Cookie and blito.  We had great, tight 3car to car fightat at Top3... i tried to hold Coopermates strategy, til some lap 10, when Cookie  fly-high 20m infront of me (and i was scared cos maybe its me who somehow with warp hit him), so that was only thing i was afraid of during all race long , sorry mate whatever happened there.
Next i raced behind faster Blito and realy thoght, great, this will be the Blito's race (cos i was in Cooper) until his engine blew and smash all dirt and oil in my face :ninja: sorry...
so i was first time in lead, but didnt expect nothing cos all cars behind me was faster, Johny'o and Francesco, i  felt like some granfather when they overtaked me on back straight....
BUT, i knew that race is finished not after 12/24 laps... so i kept pushing to be close to them, and indeed, i got my second race lead just 5laps til finish, when both fastguys were in Parabolica sand...
AND THIS WAS A MOMENT WHEN I SAW HOW "FAST" COOPER IS ON ENDLESS STRAIGHTS.....
(of corse for short moment there was a little hope for Win.. but i get realistic as soon saw pribluda)
so gratz again Johny'O, and i am proud that Cooper lost only 1.77sec :)
also handshake for Franchesco in P3.
:)
thanks all and se ya in next race!

To becalm you, Karlis, you had nothing to do with this high flying Cookie :D

Was my own fault!

I shouldn't have played games with Jason, as we did on my server with Martin.
Especially as we all saw the warping around!   :cursing:
I was so euphoric that our Coopers worked so well, that I forgot to keep cool, as you did perfectly!
Luckily Jason was not much affected by our warp contact and my Cooper was still fine.

The high flying Cookie came down on 9th position.
Survived some other close encounters unhurt.   
Had a great fight with Aulden for finaly 8th position.

Yeah
This was great fun racing!
But it was a real league race, where I should behave as a cool racing driver! :nono:

Greetings
:chef:

  Thanks Karlisss
  Well .. I was very surprised with the BT11, a car that is little known.

  And from the beginning he was very fast. At the start I'm always too slow, I use the keyboard.

  And I was in the big curve on the outside and a wheel peghou the lawn and ran.

  Then I did a recovery run and won many locations because of other accidents. I even had an accident at the end, but the dish is very difficult to use the brake, it is very slow. Monza is special for the whole story, though I'd really like to hear once in a lifetime. H16 engine, I think it's impossible for one who is so far.

Lap 20(more or less),position 10,approaching the Parabolica an insect on the face got me going into the sand.Donated the 10place at Nobrakes and lost a possible 9 position.Damn insect >:(

Well that was a truly eventful race, with maybe 6 or 7 different race leaders, loads of overtaking and a few warp incidents...
Lets start with the start.. I was up for it tonight, starting in P10 i judged the flag perfectly and leapt of the line, moving up 6 places by T1! When Jonny O and Economia went to play in the Parabolic sand that became P2! I had great fun battling with the guys for the lead and was just about holding my own... First problem though was when Economia slipped past into the lead - I allowed myself to get too close in the tow and all it took was a touch of warp and the E-man went flying :( .. Next up was the aforementioned warp contace with Cookie, disapointing as we were both giving each other plenty of respect and plenty of room! By about half distance the pace of the race proved too much for the BRM - there was a flash and a bang and then an eerie silence -
(S+R)x(S+G)= 12 (place) , exiting the pits I was picking up speed when I got rammed by an out-of-control Badblood (sorry m8 but my replay shows full contact, about 75% of the cars width!!!) Another stop+go followed,this time in tandem with BB... He stopped in front of me and almost in the middle of the pitlane - I got the jump on him by passing on the RIGHT of his stationary car, just sqeezing between the honda and the garage, probably sending his mechanics scurrying for cover!  What followed was an EPIC battle with the Bloodmeister for 13th place, a good fair fight that ended in my favour thanks to Paul getting over-excited and forgetting to brake for Lesmo..
Over all some great racing, some great comedy moments (such as my getting the wrong side of the pit wall and going through the pit lane at 143mph!) and a very enjoyable evening!

ups.
i mess podium positions, sorry Francesco and Fabio
(one that i congrats with P3 - and that can be painful when you actualy are far from P3, and other,that i didnt congrate)
Congrats :)

AND not a 6 lead changes as i thought but 12!!!!!
LEADERS

Driver                           Laps
Axel Cookie                      1
Jason Blito                      2
Axel Cookie                      3
Jason Blito                      4-5
economia economia                6
Jason Blito                      7-8
Axel Cookie                      9
Jason Blito                      10
Karlis Vitols                    11-12
J Jonny'O                        13-17
Fabio 65 Locarno                 18-19
Karlis Vitols                    20-21
J Jonny'O                        22-24

Number of lead changes: 12
Number of leaders: 6

Wow - warpy or what! I was taking avoiding action... I'll show you mine if you show me yours...

Hello everyone,

Before I start I own quite a few apologies, I haven’t indentified them all yet but I will check my reply and PM everyone, and of course fill in a report.

OK, onto my race. It can be summed up by the follow: The good, the bad and the ugly.

The Good.

I decided, for the first time this season, to do a real qualifying. By this I mean take the fuel out and try to go as fast as I could in qualifying. I normally don’t do this for a number of reason, the main one being that I’m normally still learning the track. Even though I’d only done 4 practice laps before qualifying started, I did know the circuit.

Qualifying went well, I start with about 10 laps of fuel and took a few laps to get everything up to temperature,  and went for it. I was surprised that I was 2nd on the grid already, and slowly chipped my lap time down. I saw from Prib that Johnny was on pole with a good time, but I was getting close and I thought I could beat it. Unfortunately I ran out of fuel before I could get all my sectors stitched together. Not to be disappointed as second on the grid was good, which leads us to….

The Bad.

I hadn’t done any practice starts, so going off the grid was a bit unknown. I was lucky as I got an OK start. I managed to get past Johnny, but Cookie had a great start and just got past me. Going into the first corner I knew that Cookie was there so gave him plenty of room. I also knew that he was driving a Cooper so I should have a advantage on the straight. I got a great drive out of Lesmo 2, so much so that I had to back off in the slight left corner, I choose the right hand lane very early so I’d be on the inside of the Parabolica. On the main straight I got him quite early, so I was in the lead of the race :) and this is where it starts going Bad. I couldn’t seen my brake markers, and I missed them. So I went straight on at the Parabolica and was in the gravel. I don’t think I hit anyone here, and I just took myself out.

I managed to get myself out of the gravel, and wasn’t too far back. I was in sixth at this point. I started getting everything back upto temperature and seeing where I was. I was surprised to see everyone just in front of me, I could still see first, and at this point I still thought I could win. I started to push to catch up to Peter. I managed to get on the back of him within a few laps, and was planning my over take. Peter made a mistake coming out of Lesmo 2, and spun. I tried to go around the outside of him but he tapped me into the bushes. I managed to get myself out of the bushes but I was then on track, on line going slowly, I tried to get to the other side of the track but it was too late. Someone tapped me, which was my fault as he had no where to go, and sent me spinning again. At this point I felt pretty bad, and unfortunately the red mist came down, which lead to…..

The Ugly.

This is a side of my driving which I hoped I left in the past, sorry to say I was wrong as it returned with a vengeance at Monza. It’s still a bit hazy, and I’ll need to check my reply for the full details of what happened to me.

Anyway, I was quite far back in the pack at this point, and wasn’t thinking about anything apart from getting back up the order. I should of taken time to get everything back up to temperature, but that went out of the window. I was pushing hard and was all over the place, I was messing up my braking going into the Parabolica and spinning. During one of these spins I collected another driver, put myself in the gravel and tried to rejoin off the racing line. Unfortunately I didn’t take into account that I’d just caused an accident so there were slow moving vehicles on the racing line so other drivers needed to come off the line, onto the tarmac that I was currently on. Sorry about that everyone.

Next thing I remember I was racing my old friend Cookie, because of the power of my Ferrari, and the lack of power of his Cooper I managed to get into his slip steam again. I tried a repeat of my pass on lap 1, i.e. going into the Parabolica, this had a worst result, because this time I collected Cookie. This resulted in another mess at the Parabolica that I caused.

After this I collected myself a little bit and settled down. Maybe this was because I was in some clear air for a change and managed to get myself back up to temperature. I noticed that Billy was about 8 seconds in front, I started to push to close the gap. After a few laps I was on the back of Billy, I had managed to calm myself down so I didn’t do any silly moves this time and was planning on what I was going to do. Whilst I was thinking about passing him, instead of driving the car I made a small mistake at the Parabolica (big surprise) and spun. I got back on track quickly but Billy was gone, and it was the last lap.

So I finished my worse race performance since my second season in UKGPL. This race had so much promise for me, I qualified 2nd, was leading the race (only for a few meters) and had the fastest race lap. I threw away any chance of a win because of silly mistakes.

Sorry again for anyone who I caused an accident with, I feel a bit silly right now and hope that this is the last we see of that side of my driving.

Having seen the H16 BRM race on many occasions I would say the sound was very dissapointing  :(

Now the 1.5 liter supercharged V16 of 1950's was something else , a really unforgetable sound
 :)

Apparantly Jonny is a keyboard driver -respect due.
Qually - I need a tow & I know who from. I am looking for HappyAl. I was about to report him as a missing person when he appeared near the front of the grid! ::). Never mind Ecomania came along & gave me a blistering 3rd sector. It would have been better if he hadn't made a mess of the first 2. I cruised round looking for another tow. Tried Molteni - er... NO. Decided best on my own & in the last 2 laps equaled the time with Eco' & went better to give my final time.
Race - Only one major incident when close behind Rog & he smoked his tyres braking for Parabolica as he saw trouble ahead. I took avoiding action & went off. Overall in the race I went from 8th to 10th to 13th with the powerfull cars passing easily . It must have been an incident packed race because I passed the aftermath to some of 'em & was up to 6th. Then who should pass but Eco' so I tucked in for a tow which took me nicely clear of those behind. A small error & he was gone. After that I just maintained the gap behind & cut the revs to bring it home.
I noticed some changed their lines to avoid giving a tow but nothing to complain about & in one case it was warping as well. On to East London where there is also a long fast section. So what can I say - how about " see you there Eco'" ;D
Norm H

Oops I've a pm from one driver who on post race chat I asked (not accused) if he was moving about more than normal to break the tow or warping. No names but apologies are due & I've pm'd him. It was warping. obvious when you look at my personal pc replay. Very sorry - I only asked.
As I said above lots of drivers changed their lines I assume to break the tow. I've no problem with that & was not impeded in any way. :-[ Must think before opening mouth!
Norm H

Warping was pretty severe last night. At one point in qually I was on a really hot lap when a car appeared on me  :o

Wasn't sure who it was but sorry to whoever but I couldn't hear or see you...

Chasing Jason (we had an epic eight laps or so) he disappeared twice. Sadly he reappeared so no extra points there. This was the stage at which Al was being ugly but he simply drove away form us. JB and I slowed each other down a bit but we were still lapping in the 1:40. somethings which was OK. So respect to Al for disappearing up the road - he was speedy at times.

BTW Congrats to JJO - pretty good. and congrats to all the guys that finished - one busy race.

That V16 forms the basis of the sound used in many GPL sound packs for the BRM... it does sound awesome though :)

One thing I'm keen to know is just how did Pete Maestro end up on the roof on the racing line mid way through Parabolica?  Amused at his continually typing R in the chat bar  , Amazed that BB and I managed to avoid his wreck as we were battling hard and close at that point! Thank god for yellow flags!!!

That happens when GPL doesn't quite click that you are pressing Shift/R to reset, it chucks the R's up in chat instead.

Of course he might just like the letter R ;)

   Ok, the V16 is magnificent, her sound and all its base technology for the time.But it seems a little out of season for a 1967 car, the sound is very serious in my view.I saw it twice good times to get an idea of the H16 in the movie Grand Prix, which is very clear that the sound is more acute.

  Yet it would be a fantastic day listen to the H16 , running.

   Well .. I made some changes to see the replay of Monza.

  Yes .. I know I still need to review the replay but it was a special day.

  (http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/8701/jonnyobt11monza.jpg)

  And this is the face of the Coyote team, exactly the same layout of the Coyote indycar 60 years.

Another Lap 1 calamity. Should really have been a bit quicker in qualification but car didn’t feel right & could only make a low 1.39. Nevertheless, good start to pick up a couple of places & follow the leading pack. Rog had to slow in front of me & I hit the brakes a touch to hard which sent me sideways across Franceso’s path. Sorry about that Fran, but I had lost control at that point.
 
Amazingly the car survived the aerobatics & landed on all four wheels. Had completely lost my bearings & rather than risk a DQ for going backwards I took a Reset & a Stop & Go. This left me last &, similar to Silverstone, I drove the rest of the race with barely a mistake. Managed to make up several places & finish 10th.
 
One incident with Al, entering Parabolica I found another car upside, managed to nip round the obstruction but at the cost of contact with Al who was recovering. Not attributing any blame here but will stick in a report for sake of good order. Then followed a few laps battle with Fran. I think I might have had a marginally faster car but couldn’t find enough slipstream to pass the Ferrari. Again got some help from Parabolica (per Frans post I was also assist by an insect that lives in the sand trap). Was closing in on Aulden & Cookie but ran out of laps to do anything more about it.

Now after an incident report, not saying what I am accused for, I feel bad!

Can anybody tell me what I did wrong?

replay 19:29 to 19:34

Hi Axel,
The incident reporting system is not there for accusations, it exists to put a drivers views across confidentially. Drivers see the subject heading only, it is then completely down to you to present how you see things.
What is said remains private and avoids a lot of, potentially heated, public debate. In fact anyone can report an incident so it may not be the other driver(s) involved who submitted it. The main thing is to just say what happened from your viewpoint.

So please don't see an incident report as an accusation, it's a chance for you to have your say. Sometimes it's good to air general issues which may crop up, but I don't think a public debate on specific incidents is the road to follow as it tends to end in tears. The moderators are a fairly reasonable lot who give impartial judgements based purely on the facts, and we try our best to have a common sense approach. Not perfect, what is?, but UKGPL is still here after twelve odd years so it generally works.

What is it they say? "One man's early braking is another man's normal braking", or is that "One man's overtaking opportunity is another man's normal line", or is that "One man's mistake is another man's error" or have I been watching too many Carry On movies ;D. Ergo you will never get a concensus on these kind of issues.

As long as we don't have a case of "One man's braking point is another man's acceleration point" we're OK most of the time.  :D

Thanks Tim

Its an honour for me to race in these UKGPL series as it is the best organized online racing community I know!
I think this moderating system is the best possible and I have great respect to the mods, they are doing a great job!
To have lots of fun with all the racing addicts around should be the reason to be here. I have it!

As a novice in this kind of racing, I choose the Novices to learn.
Learning means also learning from mistakes, what I am willing to do.
In this race I had to learn how vulnerable you become with such an inferior car.

Unfortunately I had to make some experiences with incident reports in my short career.
There was allways a description what happened in the other drivers  point of view.
This one contains nothing alike!
Why?

Axel, the others guys view is not important to you. Al you can do is check the replay and recount events how they happened in your opinion, although i'm told its best NOT to drink a bottle of vodka before replying :D

Yeh that was a hairy moment...

After watching my reply last night, I can answer that...... after a extremely bad rejoin, on my part, we had a little coming together and he ended up on his roof. Sorry Peter.

Sorry guys for the trouble I made!

Now, after the explanation of a good friend, I understand how it works!

As the Novices are fully moderated every incident is moderated, even without a report of the affected drivers!

sorry for this misunderstanding ::)
I am learning!

Greetings

:chef:

The idea is for the moderator to get as many points of view as possible, before making a judgement. It's to reduce the level of subjectivity as much as possible, so you can report anything you want, regardless whether it involves you or not. The main factor though is whether you use your own replay or the server's replay.

 . . . .  . . . . . I brake for breakage, and sometimes even sooner! :wacko:

We have this very realistic in Gpl -> Monza -> CurvaGrande!  :oops:

Race mod published.

Apologies for the delay, I was on holiday.

and a well deserved one judging by the size of that report!!!

The joys of full moderation.

Luckily outweighed by the wages around here.

Great job Mike!  :thumbup2:

Thanks
 :chef:

Thanks for the Mod report Mike, I was expecting much worse.

Just want to say sorry again to anyone's race that I affected.