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Title: UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Novices (65) - East London - Jul 26
Post by: BadBlood on July 24, 2011, 11:42:41 PM +0100
UKGPL Season 21 65 Novices Trophy
Race 7 East London

Round 7 of the Novices Trophy takes us to South Africa. Not to the familiar surroundings of Kyalami but even further south to the host of the 1965 South African Grand Prix in real life - Prince George Circuit in East London, Eastern Cape Province. Opened in the 1930s, it hosted the South African Grand Prix in 1934, and 1936 to 1939 when racing was halted due to World War II. Modified to meet Formula One regulations in 1959, the track was built into a seaside amphitheatre which hosted three rounds of the F1 South African Grand Prix in the 1960s. It was later deemed too small for Formula One cars, and the race was moved to Kyalami.

Jim Clark won the 1965 East London Grand Prix from pole in a Lotus.  His qualifying time was 1'27.2. If anyone matches that they will be doing well. The track is best described as flat & fairly simple to learn with lots of run off. This is the first time the Novices will have been there since Season 16.

Drivers should be especially careful on lap 1 as usual but especially under braking with cold brakes and tyres at T1 (Potters Pass). The hairpin at Cocabana is also very tight and could cause problems on Lap 1.

Download the circuit here (http://gplmz.bcsims.net/tracks/eastlndn_GPL.zip)

Please see the Novices registration thread for an explanation of the chassis allocations shown below:
https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=9196.0

FULL TIME
DRIVER  
 CHASSIS  
Billy NoBrakes
BT11
Nigel Smith
Honda
Maddog
Cooper
Il_Lupo
Ferrari
HappyAl
Ferrari
NHance
BT7
Norbert
Ferrarii
Blito
BRM
RogUK
Cooper
BadBlood
Honda
Francesco
Ferrari
Karliss
Cooper
Cookie
Cooper
DuFossa
BT11
Economia
BRM
JonnyO
BT11

RESERVE
DRIVER  
 CHASSIS  
Maestro
Cooper
Bookie
1
Fragfritz
1
GTA66
1
s2173
BT11
ivandjj
BT11

Reserve drivers should not join the server until there are only 30 minutes of qualifying left so as to give the FULL TIME drivers chance to join, and drivers are not to go out on track until there are 30 minutes of qualifying left as this helps all drivers join the server successfully.

Please restrict chat to pit messages if necessary, and this includes the end of the race, until all running drivers have completed the necessary laps.

The Novice races are run under Int Long rules and all incidents will be moderated.

Race List = IGOR
Server = UKGPL3
IP address = ping ukgpl3.dyndns.org
Race date = 26/07/2011
Time = 21:00 UK time
Track = East London
Variant = 65F1
Damage Model = Int
Qualifying time = 35 minutes
Race length = 27
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

PLEASE NOTE THE CHANGE OF SERVER. UKGPL5 IS NOT AVAILABLE FOR THIS ROUND.

65 Patch: The 2.02 Release of the 65mod can and should be used.
http://bit.ly/d8dECl

Driver lists can be found on the Novice Championship Page (http://www.)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Novices (65) - East London - Jul 26
Post by: Hristo Itchov on July 25, 2011, 12:46:52 AM +0100
As Karlis requested, though a bit later than promised, here's a track guide along with onboard lap, replay and setup for download:

http://racingleague.co.cc/hikiwaza/track-guides/east-london-track-guide-for-honda-ra272-gpl1965-mod/


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Novices (65) - East London - Jul 26
Post by: BadBlood on July 25, 2011, 08:35:42 AM +0100
Thanks H.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Novices (65) - East London - Jul 26
Post by: Cookie on July 26, 2011, 10:45:51 AM +0100
Dear Paul
it would be nice to tell us how many laps we have to drive tonight  :D

Thanks

:chef:


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Novices (65) - East London - Jul 26
Post by: BadBlood on July 26, 2011, 03:02:59 PM +0100
Somewhere between 1 and 200! To be honest I am not sure. I've got to sort out the loose grid and the Int Long length. It will be the ususal 40 mins race though. 26 or 27 I think.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Novices (65) - East London - Jul 26
Post by: happyal on July 26, 2011, 04:03:36 PM +0100
In the Registration thread it says 26 laps.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Novices (65) - East London - Jul 26
Post by: Hristo Itchov on July 26, 2011, 04:46:50 PM +0100
In the Registration thread it says 26 laps.

I predict that your front runners would be doing at least 1:27, if not 1:26, on average in the race, and that means a race duration of about 37 minutes, so IMO you should either run 27 or 28 laps.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Novices (65) - East London - Jul 26
Post by: BadBlood on July 26, 2011, 05:41:33 PM +0100
Thanks for that Al and H. The last race was 26 laps but only lasted 38 minutes so I have rounded up to 27 laps. If anyone crashes out on the last lap they can complain to Mike. That might suit me as I will almost certainly only manage 26...

I can do about 1:31 around here which puts me about 1:40 down on the leaders over the course of the race but if I average 1:31 I will eat somebody else's hat.

I've checked the loose grid and its ok but the flag is a bit difficult to see.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Novices (65) - East London - Jul 26
Post by: karlisss on July 26, 2011, 10:36:11 PM +0100
congratz Podium!!!!
atleas some Cooper there hehe
i had extra frustrated week so no setup experiments for race or even practice at all since last thirday.
did good qual but in start something strange happened.. my framerates droped to some 2-3, cars in front appeard and disapeard and my car also, some flickering black screen.... so somehow i maneged to avoid any collisions and pleased that cars behind me avoided me while i raced dont know where in T1 from deep right line to extra left line and out of grass without understanding what happens. Then i wanted to rejoin race, and thing was, that track looks prity clear, and then from NOWHERE about +/-100meters further from nowhere car by car appeard, so i decided to wait until all cars will pass me by. I also couldnt understand do all cars pass me by or no, cos as i sad, they apeard from nowhere...
so when i entered in Lap1 first hairpin my goal for race was TOP-10.. and somehow i managed to do this from far P19 in lap1.
also this screen frame rate thing appears during race overall 4 times, but most heavy it was during lap 1 and start.
can someone give me addvice what it is?
ps
here was a big storm some 5-4 hours before race, and i hadnt inthernet at all. it appears some 10 min before practise (when i entered igor)
so maybe it is connection?
i dont know.
anyway sorry for this T1 (almoust) incident and once agen thank you all to avoid me, i dont know how it looks from aside.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Novices (65) - East London - Jul 26
Post by: Rainier on July 26, 2011, 10:36:18 PM +0100
I was 2nd on the grid.
During the 2nd or 3rd lap, DuFossa spun just infront of me (we were 1 and 2) and I could not avoid the collision.

After waiting that several cars passed, I could do a shift R and then a stop and go (I waited 10 seconds in the pits because I was not sure of the rules)
After that I had a pleasant race from 15th position to 4th.
In the last lap, I spun and lost my 4th position.

2nd on the grid, best lap and a final 5th position, not so bad for my first ever 65 UKGPL races  ;)

Grats to Jonny and Axel !
and of course, thanks to UKGPL organization !    


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Novices (65) - East London - Jul 26
Post by: blito on July 26, 2011, 10:44:36 PM +0100
 The Race According to Blito
I havent done ANY GPL since our Monza race of a fortnight ago and so came into this not entirely sure of just how good (or badly) I was going to do. I already have a usable setup for the BRM on this track so just slapped the car full of fuel and trotted round getting the feel of things and as a result was only 16th on the grid.
I'm sure many of you will have seen my chat message before the race warning of the likelihood of carnage at T1.. well, seems I was right and my cautious start was enough to turn p16 into p10 by the end of lap one.. A few laps later and thats p5 and I settled into a good fight with economia which lasted more-or-less the whole race, ending only when his BRM engine let go in spectacular fashion.. In all honesty I was waiting for it to happen as he was clearly using the whole rev-range from his V8 and as I found out in Monza, the BRM engine is NOT indestructable!
All in all, not a great race from me but the end result is a decent haul of points and thats got to help my championship position!


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Novices (65) - East London - Jul 26
Post by: karlisss on July 26, 2011, 10:53:19 PM +0100
hm, just watched my replay..
replay is in normal framerate. only oquard thing is apearing cars from nowhere when i want to rejoin.
anyway, from aside my racing seems very sick during first meters.... illogical and slow.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Novices (65) - East London - Jul 26
Post by: BadBlood on July 26, 2011, 11:08:17 PM +0100
Really poor showing from me. I spent most of the day preparing the server and ensuring that there would be no virus scan during the race. Very nervous about how my connection would cope with a full grid. Seemed OK though. I know the track quite well but my driving seems to be going backwards. I certainly did in the race. Made up some places on Laps 1 and 2 and set a PB on Lap 3 then lost a couple of places at the last turn on Lap 4 and had a battle with a couple of cars ahead going down to T3 and it was VERY tight. Made a mistake going into the Esses and about ten cars streamed past. That was that except that Karliss had to go past - wasn't going to fight the championship contender and then suddenly Billy appeared from nowhere. Didn't fight him too hard either. After that it was a case of letting everyone by slowly as the field disappeared.

Getting a bit tired of being unable to be consistent and frankly I don't understand these setups. Coming to T3 sometimes I could brake steadily and sometimes it would just pitch me into the grass. I am sure I am doing something different but I don't know what. Lack of practice and a setup I don't understand doesn't allow me to maximise the little I have. All the drivers that I had regarded as my 'rivals' are just driving the wheels off me.

Maybe I should stick to starting the server - I am getting good at that.

Horrible self-pitying post this but reflects how hacked off I feel about the race.

WD podium and a special shout out to M. Rainier.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Novices (65) - East London - Jul 26
Post by: JonnyO on July 27, 2011, 04:53:30 AM +0100
   The race for me was very quiet, did a steady pace and had no surprise.

   But only won because of problems Fossa and Rainier.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Novices (65) - East London - Jul 26
Post by: blito on July 27, 2011, 06:58:59 AM +0100
Paul - next season try a better car than the Honda - I find its a b*****d to drive.. maybe the Ferrari,BRM or Lotus would be better for you....


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Novices (65) - East London - Jul 26
Post by: karlisss on July 27, 2011, 08:58:17 AM +0100
Paul - next season try a better car than the Honda - I find its a b*****d to drive.. maybe the Ferrari,BRM or Lotus would be better for you....


DON'T TOUCH HONDA!!!! ITS THE BEST CAR HERE :)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Novices (65) - East London - Jul 26
Post by: happyal on July 27, 2011, 09:23:06 AM +0100
Getting a bit tired of being unable to be consistent and frankly I don't understand these setups.

Hi Paul,

I think we all go though this, in fact I think I'm still in the phase myself. Best thing to do is to find a race setup that you are happy with and use it for all the races, just change gear ratios. After that just concentrate on your lines, brake sooner than you normally would and a little lighter and you’ll be surprised how quickly the lap times come down.

My race was a pleasant surprise for me. After seeing what the expected times where going to be in qualifying I very nearly didn’t bother trying to get a good lap. I tried anyway and was happy with 6th on the grid, also I got a PB so I couldn’t ask for any more than that.

At the start I was super cautious. I gave, and received plenty of room to those people around me. Cookie streamed past me at the start again, you’ll have to tell us the secret to your super starts. After that I just did some steady laps, and settled into my race rhythm. I wasn’t really catching anyone in front and I kept an eye on Prib to see if anyone was catching me. There were a couple of people closing me down from behind, but none got close enough to challenge until the last couple of laps, when Rainer when flying by me. I did get 4th place back when he spun on the last lap, but that was a great race debut for you and I’m sure we’ll be seeing more from you soon.

Overall I was pretty pleased with my race, and certainly better than my Monza effort. Thanks to Paul for the server, for me it was perfect.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Novices (65) - East London - Jul 26
Post by: Cookie on July 27, 2011, 09:41:11 AM +0100
My quali time was the best possible on this track and I did it in the last lap to get 8th on the grid.
The race start was good for me cause I could avoid all incidents and was 4th at the end of lap 1.
I followed Jonny in his tow as far as possible.
When the two leaders had their moment we passed them and some time later DuFossa was in my slipstream.
Defended my position well til 9th lap but this was too risky and so I let him pass in the last turn.
Driving like a robot to avoid any mistakes.
I had a very save setup and kept this 3rd position with DuFossa in sight til 2 laps to go.
Suddenly he spinned in the last hairpin and I got the second place as a present.

:chef:


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Novices (65) - East London - Jul 26
Post by: Cookie on July 27, 2011, 09:56:21 AM +0100

Cookie streamed past me at the start again, you’ll have to tell us the secret to your super starts.


Hi Al,
this Cooper has 6 gears and I use them!
When racing 65s with Martin I allways wondered how fast he got out of the corners...


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Novices (65) - East London - Jul 26
Post by: BadBlood on July 27, 2011, 10:45:06 AM +0100
Feeling less sorry for myself this morning  :D

Thanks for the advice chaps. The Honda isn't too bad but you have to tweak to get the tyres working (e.g. Watkins Glen worked well) but it seems easy to eff it up and turn it into a wobbly ice princess. I probably will take a different chassis next year because I feel like I am not learning how the cars work.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Novices (65) - East London - Jul 26
Post by: NHance on July 27, 2011, 11:33:59 AM +0100
Qually - went really well under 1.28 isn't too slow & got me 7th.
Race - My race set up always is my qually set up with more motion lotion & I'd tried it pre race night & it was ok. On the night I couldn't get/keep any heat in the tyres which made turn 1 in particular very difficult & I had a few offs there & was shunted off as well.  All those behind caught up, passed, & pulled away easily so if some hadn't dropped out I think I could have finished 19th :(. Did the last few laps with Bad Blood. We were good company for each other. No worries, there's another one in 2 weeks ;D

Well done the podium guys & Clutch in the Pro's & well done server UKGPL3 with absolutely no warping & nice to have a full grid. Unfortunately not so for some others so I was lucky. Paul, I agree with the advice to ditch the Honda as its difficult to drive.
Norm H


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Novices (65) - East London - Jul 26
Post by: Hristo Itchov on July 27, 2011, 12:43:22 PM +0100
Paul - next season try a better car than the Honda - I find its a b*****d to drive.. maybe the Ferrari,BRM or Lotus would be better for you....


Indeed, the Honda is simply different because of its different weight distribution and requires a different approach to its setup, and slightly different driving style. It was for that reason that myself and Evil told you before the start of the season that you're free to use any cars until you move up to Works/Pro, but i guess Paul is either too loyal or simply a masochist.  :D

Apart from that and it's something I'm going to repeat in my race report for the Pro race, you can't expect results without serious practice and dedication. I'm saying this because for yesterday's race, assuming I'm supposed to be the top driver in that division, it turned out that I've done far more practice and spent much more time preparing than anyone else, and that seems rather wrong. One would expect the slower drivers or the less experienced drivers to spend more time practicing, preparing, learning and observing, for each race, compared to those at the front end of the field, otherwise we'll keep seeing those big gaps that give a false indication that handicapping is more necessary than it actually is.

I know it depends on available spare time, but until you realize nobody just goes quick and consistent without serious practice and improvement of race craft and car setup knowledge, complaining about performance is a bit of an insult to those who dedicate themselves and still struggle, or to those who tell you what's necessary to improve and you fail to acknowledge it. It's a matter of personal choice and life priorities - in that sense, what some of us gain in GPL you gain in other spheres of life, so should we complain about the things we're lacking there?  ;) You can't have everything!


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Novices (65) - East London - Jul 26
Post by: EvilClive on July 27, 2011, 12:47:03 PM +0100
I would opt for the BT11 Paul.
IMHO by far the most stable and predictable car in the 65's


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Novices (65) - East London - Jul 26
Post by: Cookie on July 27, 2011, 04:52:11 PM +0100
Paul your server was well working, but have you seen the date of the replay? ;D


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Novices (65) - East London - Jul 26
Post by: BadBlood on July 27, 2011, 05:15:56 PM +0100
Ah - that is not the server - that is the date I would need to set out to beat you Cookie  ;D

Thanks for pointing out the error. Hopefully it is corrected now.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Novices (65) - East London - Jul 26
Post by: BadBlood on July 27, 2011, 05:49:56 PM +0100
but i guess Paul is either too loyal or simply a masochist.  :D
bit of both  :D
... you can't expect results without serious practice and dedication ...
Very true
... You can't have everything!
Even truer ;)

I would opt for the BT11 Paul.
IMHO by far the most stable and predictable car in the 65's
I may give it a go but for developing a sense of how the cars drive maybe the Novices should adopt the Historics model where some are limited to chassis groups but you have free choice within those groups.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Novices (65) - East London - Jul 26
Post by: Billy Nobrakes on July 27, 2011, 09:10:09 PM +0100
I seem to have developed a particular race style - repeated again last night. I use slightly different methods but conspire to be last on lap 1 - this time not even my fault as I got tagged in the bumper cars after turn 1. By the time I got going I was a bit in front of the leader (1 lap down) & spent the whole race trying not to get lapped. The only plus was that I was able to keep an even gap from the leader & if not for Rainiers debut performance would have collected fastest lap. Managed to pick up a few places & finish 11th. Got very close to Karliss on 3 occasions but lost it every time in the last corner.

Glad to see we are continuing to attract more drivers in the Novices but seemed to have lost a couple of the older campaigners - what happened to Maddog & Nigel Smith?


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Novices (65) - East London - Jul 26
Post by: BadBlood on July 27, 2011, 11:08:54 PM +0100
Don't know where Martin is (but he did race in the Porsche cup last week) but Nigel had some computer problems and has been MIA since.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Novices (65) - East London - Jul 26
Post by: bernie on July 27, 2011, 11:48:00 PM +0100
Martin too has been having computer woes after his recent house move .


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Novices (65) - East London - Jul 26
Post by: Hristo Itchov on July 27, 2011, 11:53:54 PM +0100
I would opt for the BT11 Paul.
IMHO by far the most stable and predictable car in the 65's
I may give it a go but for developing a sense of how the cars drive maybe the Novices should adopt the Historics model where some are limited to chassis groups but you have free choice within those groups.

You should post in the mid-season review thread and suggest that. I'm disappointed how few of us have posted their opinions and desires in there...


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Novices (65) - East London - Jul 26
Post by: maddog on July 28, 2011, 12:12:05 AM +0100
My absence from the track, when it matters, is a matter of my weak Internet connection ATM.  I've been relinquishing my '65 seat to a reserve driver, who's more likely to both compete, and complete.  I'll give it another go though. :-\


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Novices (65) - East London - Jul 26
Post by: Nigel Smith on July 28, 2011, 09:57:38 AM +0100
Glad to see we are continuing to attract more drivers in the Novices but seemed to have lost a couple of the older campaigners - what happened to Maddog & Nigel Smith?
      On the subject of the missing me;
] I have been back and forth to St Petersburg to see my Sis in hospital- she is well now thank goodness, but it has been very wearying for the whole family.
The PC is now up and running [a fried HDD was the problem- all that lovely data lost, must back-up more often] and most everything GPL has been re-installed, just need a few more tracks. But I will sit out the rest of S21 and get some much needed practice. Hope Tim and Dave are managing ok in the GT's and good luck to everyone. Nice to see some new names, but it will just make it harder for us tortoises, heh Paul ;D.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Novices (65) - East London - Jul 26
Post by: BadBlood on July 28, 2011, 01:13:53 PM +0100
LOL - Nice to know you are both still around. Hope your sister is fine, Nigel. Look forward to seeing you soon. TBH The sooner S21 is over the better for me. I'm knackered...


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Novices (65) - East London - Jul 26
Post by: BadBlood on July 28, 2011, 01:15:36 PM +0100
I would opt for the BT11 Paul.
IMHO by far the most stable and predictable car in the 65's
I may give it a go but for developing a sense of how the cars drive maybe the Novices should adopt the Historics model where some are limited to chassis groups but you have free choice within those groups.

You should post in the mid-season review thread and suggest that. I'm disappointed how few of us have posted their opinions and desires in there...

It is the nature of any club really that only a very few get active outside the core activity (online racing here) but it doesn't stop it being disappointing. I will post that though. Good point.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Novices (65) - East London - Jul 26
Post by: Hristo Itchov on July 28, 2011, 01:18:05 PM +0100
LOL - Nice to know you are both still around. Hope your sister is fine, Nigel. Look forward to seeing you soon. TBH The sooner S21 is over the better for me. I'm knackered...

Some time ago you mentioned that you should cut down on division participation, yet you still enter most of them.  ::)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Novices (65) - East London - Jul 26
Post by: miner2049er on July 28, 2011, 04:56:29 PM +0100
Huge thanks to Paul for stepping up and sorting out this race as I was on holiday in Rhodes at the time.

It seems UKGPL3 performed much better than UKGPL5 has of late so it seems my worsening Internet connection could mean we switch to 3 at some point.

Also, thank you for your patience as the mod for the Monza race is not yet published, again due to my holiday. I will look to do that before the the weekend but I also need to look at the Porsche one from last time as well.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Novices (65) - East London - Jul 26
Post by: BadBlood on July 28, 2011, 07:02:25 PM +0100
LOL - Nice to know you are both still around. Hope your sister is fine, Nigel. Look forward to seeing you soon. TBH The sooner S21 is over the better for me. I'm knackered...

Some time ago you mentioned that you should cut down on division participation, yet you still enter most of them.  ::)

I'm like the boy in the sweetie shop - I know I shouldn't but I just can't resist one more choccy...

The modding takes up probably 70% of my GPL related time with 5% on postings and 15% on practicing and racing. Balance is a bit out of kilter there. Problem is I REALLY enjoy the Specs and Historics and I can't let the team down in the GTs and Porsches and Novices is the only championship I really qualify for on merit  ;D

I think over the summer I will scale back to just the GTs (both flavours) and the novices. Oh go on then - one more Specs....  :-\

As for running the races on UKGPL3 - should be OK but I would want some more tests.

As for actually starting the race - you are welcome. Bit nervous we might get 20 drivers and I would miss it but it was fine in the end.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Novices (65) - East London - Jul 26
Post by: Cookie on August 08, 2011, 06:08:30 PM +0100
Just a reminder

There is no thread yet for the Rouen race for tomorrow!?


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Novices (65) - East London - Jul 26
Post by: miner2049er on August 08, 2011, 06:34:39 PM +0100
Just a reminder

There is no thread yet for the Rouen race for tomorrow!?

Yes there is
https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=9757.0

;)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Novices (65) - East London - Jul 26
Post by: miner2049er on August 14, 2011, 11:59:22 PM +0100
Race Mod Published.