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UKGPL Season 21 Porsche Super Cup
Race 9 Spa

The penultimate round of the Porsche Super Cup takes place at the glorious Spa road circuit, so the Porshces will be overinflating their tyres, removing all ballast and cranking up the gears for this unique challenge.

Spa is one of the finest racing venues in the world and has been since its inception in 1920. Drivers should ensure that they take care when taking advantage of the slipstream following previous incidents on this circuit. Remember, there may be more cars following you than you think.

Car needs to be taken at Eau Rouge on Lap 1 as the field will bunch up. This is not the place for making Lap 1 Turn 1 do or die manouevres. You cannot win the race in turn 1 but you can certainly lose it, and more importantly you can lose the race for those around you, beside you and on occasion under you.

Please see the Porsche Super Cup registration thread for an explanation of the Team Setups:
https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=9197.msg166098#msg166098

1 TEAM NAME - Pasti Porsche - SERVER 2
Driver 1 - Pro - Tom Van Ostade
Driver 2 - Am - Nicky Ickx
Driver 3 - Nov - Norbert

2 TEAM NAME - Porsche International - SERVER 1
Driver 1 - Pro - Juha Hallikainen
Driver 2 - Nov - Ronniepeterson
Driver 3 - Nov - Axel Cookie

3 TEAM NAME - Clark Hill - SERVER 1
Driver 1 - Am - Geoff Heard
Driver 2 - Am - Steve Bird
Driver 3 - Am - Vlad Vosblod
Reserve - Nov - Happy Al

4 TEAM NAME - Hiki-Waza 1 - SERVER 2
Driver 1 - Pro - Hristo
Driver 2 - Nov - Paul
Driver 3 - Nov - Blito

5 TEAM NAME - Hiki-Waza 2 - SERVER 1
Driver 1 - Pro - Evil Clive
Driver 2 - Nov - Nigel Smith
Driver 3 - Nov - Karliss

6 TEAM NAME - Black Knight - SERVER 2
Driver 1 - Pro - G Jonsson
Driver 2 - Am - Pedro
Driver 3 - Nov - il_lupo_mannaro

7 TEAM NAME - Team Coyote - SERVER 1
Driver 1 - Pro - Raoni Frizzo
Driver 2 - Nov - Jonny'O
Driver 3 - Nov - Du Fossa

8 TEAM NAME - Team 7 - SERVER 1
Driver 1 - Pro - Fulvio Policardi
Driver 2 - Am - Bob Whitwell
Driver 3 - Nov - s2173

9 TEAM NAME - Team GPFun - SERVER 2
Driver 1 - Pro - Andrea Tendas
Driver 2 - Am - Sergio Lonzar
Driver 3 - Nov - Roberto Baldassarri
Reserve - Am - Gianni Sellitto

10 TEAM NAME - Pastit Porsche - SERVER 2
Driver 1 - Am - Phil Thornton
Driver 2 - Am - Natan
Driver 3 - Nov - Francesco

11 TEAM NAME - LOL'Team 1 - SERVER 2
Driver 1 - Pro - Tom GuÈrout
Driver 2 - Am - Eric Goubinat
Driver 3 - Nov - Maxime Lenclen
Reserve - Eric Daon

12 TEAM NAME - LOL' Team 2 - SERVER 1
Driver 1 - Pro Tristan Bot
Driver 2 - Am - Dave Rainier
Driver 3 - Nov - Arf Arf Arf
Reserve - Roberto Vianna

All drivers may join the server immediately but are asked not to go out on track until there are 30 minutes of qualifying left as this helps all drivers join the server successfully.

Please restrict chat to pit messages if necessary, and this includes the end of the race, until all running drivers have completed the necessary laps.

The Porsche Super Cup Races will be run across 2 Servers, under Pro rules and will be approximately 50 minutes in length.
Lap 1 will be fully moderated and thereafter will be reported incidents only.

SERVER 1
Race List = IGOR
Server = UKGPL_T7_2
IP address = 62.149.202.168
Race date = 26/08/2011
Time = 21:00 UK time
Track = Spa
Variant = GT67
Damage Model = PRO
Qualifying time = 35 minutes. Don't start until 30 mins left on clock to allow everyone to join.
Race length = 15 laps
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

SERVER 2
Race List = IGOR
Server = GPG_8
IP address = 62.195.32.131
Race date = 26/08/2011
Time = 21:00 UK time
Track = Spa
Variant = GT67
Damage Model = PRO
Qualifying time = 35 minutes. Don't start until 30 mins left on clock to allow everyone to join.
Race length = 15 laps
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

The Team Championship Standings can be found here:
https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=309&theme=6

GT67 Mod: The GT67 Mod for GPL can be downloaded here:
http://www.sportscarlegends.net/index.html

Hello Roberto (Vianna)

I will be far from my computer on 26/08 (holidays in Vittel, East of France, like Spa a well known "Water" city) so the entire LOL'2 team count on you !
Good luck  ;)
 

I've been taking a look at the races Team GPFun have made untill now, and I can say that we always met:

5 times EvilClive              (Sebring, Le Mans, Brands, Silverstone, Solitude)
4 times Hristo Itchov       (Brands, Solitude, Kyalami, Mexico)
4 times Tom Van Ostade  (Sebring, Silverstone, Solitude, Kyalami)
4 times Fulvio Policardi    (Le Mans, Silverstone, Solitude, Rouen)
3 times Tom Guèrout       (Silverstone, Solitude, Rouen)
3 times Tristan Bot          (Silverstone, Kyalami, Mexico)
3 times Juha Hallikainen  (Le Mans, Kyalami, Mexico)
3 times Raoni Frizzo        (Sebring, Mexico, Rouen)
2 times Pedro Berg vd     (Mexico, Rouen)

Is there any kind of filter to avoid pilots will meet more/less than a fixed numer of times ?

Thanks.

Yes there is Clouds. We attempted to make sure that each team met each team at least four times out of ten and at most six times. It is actually very difficult to balance it up. In addition some of the teams joined after the server allocation was done so that slightly unbalanced things. In addition to that not all drivers turn up all the time - One of the LOL teams (I think) had no drivers last time out.

If anyone has an algorithm to make sure teams meet each other 5 times that would be nice.

Ah OK so 5 times should be the theoretical tendency.

Yep, but obviously less for the teams who joined late.

Hi guys,
where can I find the section named "Lap Records" ?
Is it a part of the UKGPL site or it is just mounted on race pages announcements ?

Thanks.

Not part of UKGPL as far as I am aware. SROU has some code to add these when you put up a race announcement so the blue tabs at the top of the SROU (and the UKGPL forums) are the place to start. 'Circuits' is the one you would need.

Nice.
Thank you!

Is somewhere any replay file for the race GT of yesterday nite ?

Thanks.

Sergio's request has been fulfilled . . . . . . . . . . . .  :angel:

Oh fine but, Sir, ...where must I take a look ?

[Edit]
oops...sorry maddog I've not seen your mail yet !
Thanks but, I don't see any of the participants like Axel, Hristo ad so on, and neither myself  :P ;D

It's because Paul's server doesn't have the correct bandwidth settings that allow more cars to be drawn.

Both T7_2 and GPG.8 servers are set for 15 laps Long race and listening on Igor.
Ciao

It most certainly does. The BW patch is fully applied. The replay that Martin has supplied must be his own client replay.

If anyone wants the server replay for the BREASTS race they can download it from the UKGPL3 FTP site. Connect your ftp client to ukgpl3.dyndns.org or you can use an Internet browser to connect to "ftp:" followed by "//ukgpl3.dyndns.org" and the username is 'ukgpl3' with a password of 'gpl'. If I put that string together the forum tries to be clever and inserts an unwanted "http"

The replay is called SpaGT_BREASTS and is in the 'replay' folder

It's not enough to just apply it, you have to set different values for the network parameters in core.ini. As I said yesterday (and in another race before when we used your server), cars were popping out of thin air in my mirrors, which definitely doesn't happen on the other servers we use.

The settings specifically being?... and I'll check

I assume that you mean the server net_mdm_send parameter. We set this to 132 by override when hosting a race via iGOR. The maximum value is 384 (I believe) which would draw all 19 cars at once. That might lead to significant frame drop however. 132 allows the drawing of 8 other cars simultaneously. I am not certain how this works since I can always see all the cars in front of me on the grid. Which is usually more than 10!

Last night because we were not going via iGOR it would have gone back to the core.ini default of 100 which should still allow 6 other cars.

The values are somewhat anachronisitic since they are based on modem dial up speeds.

132 is the UKGPL standard which I have never really questioned.

I will be present then. Happy holidays.

 Thanks for the opportunity.

Ok thanks !

I've also now modified the patch level to draw a maximum of four cars behind where it was two. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.

@All

It seems there is a mistake in the link "http://ftp://ukgpl3.dyndns.org", you have to delete the first "http://" to make the link functioning or  copy/paste and modify it just on the address bar of your browser.

That is the forum code trying to be clever and failing spectacularly. As you say, drop the http part and start ftp:/...

I'm not talking about cars drawn in front, but in the mirrors. GPL's default is 1, and on your server I never saw more than 2 at the same time, so they were appearing out of nowhere.


Ah, I just read that.  :)

BTW, for overall number of drawn cars, 8 seems rather low to me. Have we always used that number in UKGPL? I remember starting from the back and seeing the whole field up in front of me.

The patch was set to draw 2 behind which was wrong. GPL's draw code by default allows a 75%/25% split in car drawing which would equate to 14 in front and 4 behind. It does seem a little odd but 4 behind seems to be the limit.

As to drawing eight cars only which would normally split 6/2 that is what we always apply. Doesn't actually seem to work like that off the grid though...

You mean 12/4? I guess that's what we've always used perhaps.

For many years, 6/2 was the standard mirror draw.  It was put in place, to help stressed systems cope.  If it's no longer needed, to keep things running smoothly, let's put some more cars in.  That way some of us Client's will escape the back of the field, after the event.  Umm . . . .  right! :D

No - it really is 6/2.

You said 14/4, but if it's 75%/25% it should be 12/4, that's what I meant. And I believe we've not used 6/2 in UKGPL for a LONG time, if at all, since I joined.

See what you mean but the net send set to 132 implies a draw of 8 cars. That would split 6/2. Each increase in 16 adds a new car. I am not sure if the mods have modified the draw code but according to the read me with the latest BW patch 8 cars is what you get. Not sure how that plays with the rasterisers but it obviously does have an effect since with the patch set to 2 behind you were getting cars 'popping up'.

It is strange though because I am pretty sure I have seen more than that drawn... I can only assume that the client draws its own cars so the client replay can potentially show all nineteen cars if the core ini is so set but the server can only draw eight. Confused now...

Mine draw's what it sees online.  And I meant default GPL mirror draw of 6/2, and not default UKGPL mirror draw.  The result of my fault, was confusion, so no need to draw things out further. :angel:

For those interested here you can find info how it works GPL online and the Bandwith Patch: http://westrab.home.xs4all.nl/gpl.htm

On T7 and GPG servers the BW patch is set to show 3 cars behind and, with a value of 132 on server side, 5 ahead of the clients car so in the client's replay you can see 9 cars total.
When we went, for a mistake, to a value of 384, that would show all cars, we experienced a lot of connection and stuttering troubles with a full field on the server.
We could stress a bit further with a value of 164 that will show 10 cars around (7+3) and see what happens.

With actual setting starting from the back of a full field you'll see 5 cars ahead + the 3 first cars on the grid that you would see on your mirrors if you could ;)

Hope it helps
Ciao

Interesting Fulvio - I took a look at the Rouen and Oulton Park replays out of interest and could never see more than 9 cars in total but cars obviously merge as they pass each other so I wonder if they become one 'object'.

The starting point for all this was that Hristo could only see two cars behind on UKGPL3 when I was hosting a BREASTS race last Wednesday. I have amended the patch to draw four maximum and amended the Core.ini to run at 132 (it was 100). When joining via the multiplayer screen, does the client setting take priority? I assume not.

I have definitely been in situations on the grid where I can see more than five cars ahead though - in fact seeing lots of cars ahead is my usual situation ;)

I guess the question is - "can we bump up the values to give a fuller view" now that we all have faster connections. That would definitely be an issue for something like the Porsche Cup where the field can be bunched for quite a long time. If higher values give more warp though, that would not be good.

Also how does the 60fps patch affect things - if the server is still sending out info at the same rate then what is there to draw quicker?

It is clear!

It should be preferably to race with all the objects you're racing with in sight but...obviously...playability is the first thing to aim otherwise we could have all in sight but warping and freezing a lot that is not what we all would expect from a SIMULATOR  ;)

If I don't remember bad, already in 2002 when I flew "Aces High", we could have had in sight 64 airplane surrounding us (friends and foes) at the same moment and when we were participating in a bombing range it was spectacular to see a lot of airplanes flying around you, bombers, escort and enemies.

I might do better if I turned it down to zero in front, none behind!  :D

I'm curious what settings did the UKGPL servers had before we started using Fulvio's. I know it's down to location, connection and hardware as well, but on the UKGPL_5 for instance (which I believe doesn't exist anymore) it was always very stable, very low latency and still could see a lot of cars ahead (and definitely more than 2 or maybe even more than 3 in the mirrors).

It could be a real problem the case in which a pilot should have 3 or 4 chasers that whispers in his neck because each one should be popping up from the Hiperspace beside the car or in the mirror without any clue and this could be catastrophic.

I doubt you've driven on a GPL server that draws more than 3-4 cars in the mirrors at the same time. For sake of having low latency servers don't run on maximum bandwidth settings, but also not on the minimum (1-2 in mirrors), so the idea is to find a good compromise.

kicked of by ............ :(

Was really looking forward to this race!
Cu at Daytona.

Greetings Pedro

 >:( >:( >:( THX a lot to G.Sutcliff or whatever his name is.  He must be blind , chrashed me out in T1 while I was taken care on the car in front of me , which was allready on the green .

Whats so complicated on ? : `take care at T1 during first lap´
 :o :o :o :o

well , my car stranded behind the leftside armco  and I had to drove in wrong direction to get back on track ..
 ::) got DQ from server for that .. ??? shouldnt checkpoints been disabled ?

exactly what I was looking for after an week with hard work allover   , great stuff.

pitty enough I had absolutely no time for practise , due too real work , but been stranded that way is so.....

checkpoints have nothing to do with your DQ, if you reverse on track you get DQ .

not happy lap 1 for mee too.. involved in same 3 cars avoidable normal race accident as Pedro... fortunately car was not damageg so I was still in race although with already 10s of gap from driver behind... my race was over when I made a face to face with a driver doing parking operations on top of Rouge..

it's a pity.. Spa deserves a better race.. it was fun tille there

C u

Gianni

 

I have to apologize to Hristo for the incident I've caused involving also him at the stavelot corner entry. I didn't se him behind and beside so I've tried to change direction to a better line for the corner entry but he was already in that place and so I've hit him loosing a wheel and so causing  him to loose at least 10 secs (I think), AMEN!

No other things to say only...my mistake.

Yes Nicky, checkpoints were disabled and like Juha says, you would be DQ for your manouvre anyway.

If the server DQ's you you won't show up in the results but you can always continue and save your client replay and let the Mods decide if the DQ was deserved or not.

T1 carnage handed me several places and then Fran got by and that was the last I saw of anyone (except for a stranded Clouds). Lonely but OK. Drove for a finish but could have given up after 5 laps...

Was hoping that Goran and Andreas might crash as they passed me... but no.

Hristo caught me at the worst possible place - hope I didn't make it too bad mate but I find that corner the hardest on the track.

 :) ak ok . did know that , thx for info .

;) did tried that for  one lap but wasnt sure if the server would simply disconnect me after a period of time.
well and anyhow me engine wasnt on full power anymore after that chrash  ( couldnt hardly get into 5th gear .. )  
But good to know that it is up to the moderators if DQ or not . thx too for this info.

 :) dont forget to watch F1 on TV today
kindly rgeards
calmed down Nicky  .lol

That car on the green was me Nicky.
I was also looking out for a car on the green in front of me (Göran)
You were the one who wanted to benefit of the 1e corner.
Remind me you were on place 9, I was 7e

No hard feelings though!
Al in all it was (looking at replay) a race incident, but avoidable by you.

Greetings Pedro.

Via multiplayer clients core.ini bandwith parameters have to be => server parameters, if not clent get bandwith mismatch.

About bump up values see my previous post.

I haven't any experience about 60 fps patch on the server.
Ciao

I have my server often running with 60fps and allready hosted league races with Funliga GTs on it.
Its allways running with 3/84 3/132 and afaik the client should be save when he uses the bandwith patch.
I am willing to do some test runs with different values.

Now to the Spa race....

My start was good but Arf came spinning into my front, I T-boned him and flew high.
Luckily I landed on my wheels and could cross the starting line.
But my engine had got a first problem and so I was just able to follow Sky but had no power to pass in the slipstream.
Sky did great 3 laps but at les Combes he roofed his car.
I had no chance to avoid crashing into him and after that shock my engine got really worse.
My laptimes went 10 sec down and in a non team race I would have been retired. But so I went on.
Managed to do nearly 11 boring slow laps, the engine finaly exploded in la Source and I could just roll over the finish line and retired.
Sorry for Juha, who had an early end, but our steady teammate Ronnie did a great race again  ;)

Greetings
Axel

I practiced a lot for Spa, one of my favorite ciurcuits and at final my 910 I thought was nice to drive and fast at the right point.

I've had a little problem with traffic during my qualli lap and made 2 or 3 little mistakes without which maybe I shoud get below 3:30.00 but I have been happy for my qualli time as well. If you take a look at my qualli lap you will see it has been a little tricky during the last 4 corners because of slow traffic that almost made me to waste a very good lap but...it sometime happens!  ;)

After the green flag I've pushed very hard to avoid any unintentional problem with other pilots gaining 3 or 4 secs but already before the end of the 1st lap I've seen Hristo closing on me very quickly so I have thought that I would have had a difficult race. During the 2nd lap, while I was studying porsches behaviours in slipstream (mine and Hristo) waving a little bit to have an idea of the slipstream (I was thinking with little risk), just before the entry point for stavelot what it seemed to me a little risk becomes a disaster. I've heard Hristo coming very close to me but...I've lost the  sight on him. Then I've seen at left side and he was not there, I've seen in the mirror and he was not there, so I thought he was closing on me from back right and so I've moved to the left that was also a better line for the enrty to  stavelot but...Hristo was already in that point so I've hit him and both spun off. During the contact I've lost my back left wheel so the race for me was over in the point I stopped or near around that point. Fortunately for him, Hristo has recovered ending the race and loosing around ten seconds during the incident I've caused.

See you for the end of the party at...Daytona!

Firstly apologies to Axel for getting caught up in my mess, and maybe Ronnie (not sure if you were affected), didn't mean to spoil anyone's night.

I knew I would be quick off the line from practice races, and when I saw a gap between Raoni and Ronnie, who'd both started in front of me, it seemed easily big enough. I wish I had a copy of the race from my computer to back this up, as the server replay shows a much smaller gap than I recall. Sadly I got discoed 7 laps from the end as I pootled round with limited power. Very boring and frustrating evening.......

I don't blame you for going for the gap Arf, if you had made it through we would not even be discussing it, great getaway from the line by the way.

Good result for the Porsche International team despite an embarrassing exit by Juha (your still looking good for the individual top spot!) and a smoking engine for Axel (great team spirit).

Chasing the early leaders I first battled with with Steve B (he got ahead anyway when I spun avoiding Raoni returning from a trip up the embankment) and then Fulvio with whom I exchanged places several times before settling into third spot. Looking at the replay the final pass looked good to me Fulvio, but sorry the battle ended.

Despite a late spin by Steve B he held on for second and I was happy with third.

Special mention to Roberto V a true gent of a driver who took the scenic route to make way for me and Steve right at the end, not everyone would do that, thank you.

Roll on Daytona.

My Daytona server is always open for practice during the evening.

I'll see you there.

Np Ronnie, I thought to have given you more room to pass, it wasn't enough. Next one! :)
Ciao

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