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Practice 1: 19:40 BST (60 mins)
Qual 2:      20:40 BST (20 mins)
Race:        21:00 BST (41 Laps) - note: no warm up!

ROLLING START!

Cars: Formula 1 1988 For GTR2 V0.9 - Available to download from here (http://www.pilsbierbude.de/component/option,com_remository/Itemid,26/func,fileinfo/id,1261/lang,en/) or here. (http://www.simworldgt.com/?n=Formula_One_-_F1_1988&p=download_details&id=52)
                       and F1 1988 Missing Teams Update V1.4 - Available to download from here (http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=29092)

BOTH MODS MUST BE INSTALLED

Track: Adelaide88 v1.0.0.0  (download from here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54521#post_adelaide88))

Race Start Time: 14:00

Weather: DRY.

Tyre wear: normal.
Fuel consumption: normal.

Server: simracing.org.uk F1
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3349.0) - especially the speed limiter starting procedure and the rules about in-game chat messages.
(2) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=315&theme=3)
(3) You will not be able to join the server without the car physics pack and track (see links above).
(4) Drivers may only change car once in the season without penalty.
(5) Drivers are reminded that they must select ISDN as their bandwidth, otherwise the stability of everyone's connection will be reduced.
(6) Please use the Driver Details (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=profile;sa=driver_info) page to ensure that the league management software has your correct GTR2 'Driving Name' (not necessarily the same as your lobby name).
(7) The server will be set to 26 slots, not 28.

Server now running with the following ballast:

Andy Purdie        60
APEXTECHUSA    30
Blunder              50
goldtop               20
H@L                   0
Jamera               0
Jubei                  70
Lazlow                50
Legzy                 70
Matt_Rowe         70
Navin R Johnson  50
spannerF1           40
Sam Blood           100
SRW                   10

i've just noticed Jubei has secured the title already! Grats!  :thumbup2:

Yes congrats on the Driver Championship Jubei.

It also appears that Team Oldie have already secured the Team Championship. How the hell did that happen  :laugh:

I'm thought that was a surer thing than Vettel winning!

Hey THX a Lot. Must Fight strong with Colonni balasts and Setting. And can hold Speed not Long with Soft Tyres  ;D on Each Track ::).
Lets go to Adelaide then next Session. :angel:

Se ya on Track  Jubei

jumping on praccy server... another track to learn! vaguely remember it from GP2

I will jump even this one... sorry guys...

Cu soon :)

Any idea how long this race is going to be or how long a lap takes so I can work it out?

1:21.216 was the official race lap time back in '88 - so we're looking at 55mins race :o

Well I'm beating the RL laptime but only by a second or so, so yes 55 minutes should be about right.

There are a few places around the track that could easily end your race well before that though. The curbs are lethal and are to be avoided, particularly the ones through the fast right hand kink before the long straight. I'm having to shift down to make sure I get through there consistently.

Will miss this week's races as I am banished to London to earn pennies to buy sweeties.

I can't make it either now  :-[ gla

hmm, probably wont be there then. Am on lates & sadly that length probably just pushes it out of my reach to attend (fitting it in my "lunch" hour).
Shame, as I think I'd have comfortably done Spanner for 3rd in the Championships ;D

Crikey at this rate I'll be on the pody.

This is the last race in the series and the last I'll be organising. Still haven't heard for sure if anyone is taking this on for next season yet. If no-one steps up, I have an idea for continuing Tuesday nights with another mod which won't take up so much admin time for me. Let's see what happens.

Alas I'm afraid I'm another that can't make it tonight. I've been suffering major computer problems for the last week as my ageing workhorse seems to be on its last legs. All I'm getting is a black screen on my monitor and no beep when I start the PC. I'm hoping I'll be able to sort it by next season. I sure hope the F1 88 series will continue. Many thanks for Goldtop for organising the last two seasons. They've been terrific fun.

Lap 36, in the lead, having a good race for once, and my internet connection decides to drop out.  :'( Hasn't done that all year, and then now? Ah well, and I was starting to enjoy myself too. I hope this won't be the last race with this mod...

Les

.....bad luck LesN, but it meant i got my first race win!

For that last 5 laps i was crossing my fingers hoping my internet connection didnt fail or that i would not get the dreaded screen freeze up for a couple of seconds then unfreeze and you are stuffed into the barriers

Bit of a hollow victory as i was in the fastest car with not much ballast but i am still chuffed as i have lost podiums in the past with the game crashing etc

grats SRW :)

unlucky Les, you were flying in practise in the 16s.


still interested in helping with the admin next season... another mod or not... but if we go for another mod it has to be F1 right?  ;)  :)  :-*

First off congrats to SRW for his first win 8) More to come now ;D!!! Also to Jubei for an incredible performance this year and a well deserved Championship. Very sorry to miss this race but I had to be a airport taxi driver this morning to pick up my Mother and between the plane being late and LA traffic I stood no chance to make it :-[. Gotta thank Goldtop for all his work as well ;D. Cheers

Thanks Purdie! Admittedly I had zero ballast and a reasonably quick car, but for the first time it didn't feel like it was always about to spin out from under me.

It would be a shame to give up on this mod, the cars are beautiful, but I can understand if the admin is heavy going. Big thanks to Goldtop for the organisation.

sounds far more glamorous than being stuck on the M25 though!!!! although i'm sure the traffic is worse!

The usual admin of setting the server and posting results etc is no problem. The problem with the F188 mod is that it needs a lot of other admin to set up and run such as assessing driver ability and car strengths and implementing the ballast system. TBH even after all this, I don't think this series was that successful. It hasn't really produced the close racing that I imagined or a close fought championship. I believe We have lost a lot of the initial interest because of this. Therefore all that extra time/effort starts to look a bit pointless.

Another option would be free choice or spec races, but do we really want to see a grid full of McLarens? I think that just destroys the essence of this mod.

My proposal is for a spec open wheel series using this mod...

http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=11866


The good points compared to F188...

the cars are all the same but with plenty of skins
the cars drive easily and feel very nice straight out of the box so are very accessible to all
they have better physics and ffb imo
they are harder to crash in that they have very good traction out of slow corners avoiding silly spins
they are better under braking and have rear brake lights to help avoid shunts
they give that bit of a warning before they let go
the offs don't tend to be as race ending and the cars seem to stop better in gravel
they run well on all the tracks I've tried unlike F188 cars
the series would be very admin light....we could use many of our tried and tested existing tracks
they sound great
they are perfect for 40 minute no stop sprint races


The bad points compared to F188...

they don't have the history or charisma
the tyre model seems a bit off...softs will easily last 40 minutes
they might have too much mechanical grip for some tastes
I'm not totally convinced by the wing adjustment effect, but there again, I've run F188 with 1/1 wing on some tracks
top speed is only 160ish mph

I think this mod will deliver close and exciting racing without some of the frustrations of F188 and I'm happy to put some test races together and organise a series if these are successful.

Yeah i agree with all of your points. But I think the balancing did work generally on pace, some races Jubei just couldn't run at the front but he did have 130-odd kgs!!! Consistency and driving standards helps with the balancing and I think I was 50/50 on finishes and DNF's as were many people who are usually rock solid in GT cars.

Other mods are generally a pain to get to this level I understand. My love for the 1988 mod is the historical/nostalgic side... another option is to skin the mclaren so we all have the same chassis but then the racing isn't fun when different cars have different trade-offs etc.

Shame the Group C mod was never polished off. None of the various updates for it make any of them feel like a Group C car IMO. Then we could have had a finale at Le Mans and attracted more GT drivers.

I'll have a browse around whne everyone in the office isn't looking over my shoulder..........  ::)  :P

i guess i'll have to wait till tonight to click that link..(too open at work!)

Hate to say it but does it need to be singleseaters?

Single seaters just dont seem to be popular here for whatever reason. Most people are here because they like racing sportscars, GT cars which do seem to provide close racing. In any of the singleseater races we've run here, in whatever game i've never known any close racing. It has been noticeable at times with this mod that the gtr2 netcode does struggle at the speeds we're doing in these cars which makes it difficult to run anywhere near close to people.

I have grown to like these cars but for me the driving experience is horrible. Was basicly driving with very little ffb last night.

I love GT racing aswell (as long as I can drive a Porsche) but just wanted to offer something different. We have our Sundays for GT, for which we are all looking forward to next season.

You can't argue with the popularity of F188 here (although numbers do seem to be dwindling), so there must be a healthy interest in single seaters and in turn, I believe it has brought some new and returning faces to our GT events. As Andy points out, the attrition rate in F188 isn't good, which can only lead to frustration imo.

The Atlantic Series cars are much more driveable and feely and I firmly believe they'll offer much purer racing, without having to worry so much about keeping them on track or shunting other drivers.

Oh, ok, thats what they are. modern or historic?

I think having the historic appeal clealy appeals to our historic members ;) Formula ford, formula junior even formula 3 i think would have a better balance the F1 cars.

They're the 2005 season cars. They don't have that edgy feel of typical modern formula cars (mods) but have just enough poke to make them exciting.

I was thinking of the full blown Champcar Lola's, but while they're quite easy to drive they are probably not so good for online racing for reasons already mentioned and also they're buggy. The only other mod that came close for me was the F3000 Race07 (or GTR2 conversion), but the Atlantics are far superior imo.

You dont remember us trying out the rF champcars then?

Yes I do at Silvers IIRC? However I always found the rF ffb and physics difficult to get to grips with. I am really looking forward to what rF2 has to offer though.

Edit: just checked and it was the full blown Cart cars we used at Silvers and I couldn't drive them  :laugh:  The Atlantic Series cars are very different.

A few of us need to try them and then see what our opinions are I reckon.

Can't wait to try these cars out Goldtop ;D. Atlantic's had always been a great series in North America. A true drivers series.

Had a quick try with this mod last night. My first impression was that it was very sensitive and tricky, particularly on the brakes, but that was mostly because I was used to putting the pedal pretty well to the floor with the '88 cars. After a few laps though, I was noticing how much more feel and feedback there was in comparison.

That said, the reason I came here was that I found the F1 88 mod and wanted to find somewhere to race with it. But I agree that if its hard to find the right balance with it, you should try out something different. I'll certainly be there to give it a go.

Les

The attendance has been very good by this forums standards over the last couple of years, not to mention the much higher average number of posts being made per thread. Both sure signs the two series have been a big success. Big well done from me GT. Certainly my favourite series in these parts since... probably since Mike's first PnG season, excelent work mate 8)
Very disappointed to have missed the last three races, what with holiday, mother-in-law & my shift working. Looks like a lowly 4th place finish last night would have sealed 3rd in the champs (ahead of Spanner again ;D), but I'll have to settle for a moral victory :whistling:

Hope Purdie/other steps up & we're able to keep going with this excelent mod.

I've asked H@L to post event details for a 40 minute test race at Brno with the Atlantics for Tuesday 20th to give us a chance to try them out.

I am a massive fan of F188 and certainly wouldn't want to rule out having another series soon. It does however take a lot of thought and planning and even then doesn't guarrantee success. Also the easy series have now been run, being parts 1 and 2 of the RL season. Anything that follows will struggle to have quite the same historic appeal, which has been a big part of it for me and others.

I'm a firm believer in trying different things and keeping it fresh. We've had 21 races with F188. Let's at least give the Atlantics a try out.