Not sure if this has been posted before, but for those who didn't see the link from the iR forums, this is pretty epic stuff:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=q547mgSI_UE#!

Andy, Did you see that Paul Follett is driving? (Team no 61 in a Z4). Currently down in 56th.

Unfortunately for me Tony I can't enjoy the fun unless there is a certain level of 'believability' (is that a word?). I know that it is a sim and not the real thing, but if driving the sim car feels unrealistic to me and I can't drive it the way I would a real car then it just doesn't work. Probably a personal thing, as I know lots of others have a blast with all the old cars and the period feel (which I also like), but there is no point denying it to myself. As I said, I really wanted to like this.

I should also add that this isn't a sim racing snob thing - the last 2 major events I have done in sim racing have been using GTR2 and I had a blast in both.

Thank heaven you were here Tony to drag us back to all those exciting race announcement threads! 

Precisely - that is what I want it to do, but in this I have to a) make the setup very extreme and b) be completely ham-fisted in the way I drive to get the car to react. (and if that isn't a setup for someone to knock my driving skills I don't know what is!  )

Try it and you'll see what I mean.

That car is being driven properly though Mark - powered through the corners. If you lift off hard mid corner in a 911 it gets interesting very quickly, and I can't see how one of these cars would act any differently. I went back and had another go in the IROC, and yes, with a very extreme setup (max springs and arbs at back, min at front, soft dampers at front, hard at back) I can get it to tuck in with a big lift, but this seems wrong to me. The car should naturally want to do this when lifting off so that you are forced to drive the car properly, not just like any other car.

The 2.8 and 3.0 give you more options on the setup but still need massively more rear spring than on the front to work as I would expect.

Andy - can you imagine yourself halfway through the Craners in your 964 racer and then lifting off hard (and surviving)? 

Don't worry, I changed the setup before I drove it to make the rear as stiff as possible, but even then, lift off oversteer was largely absent. I'll give the 2.8 a try though (I did try the 3.0rsr and this wasn't as I remember it either).

I hate to be the dissenting voice here, but to me it is rather a disappointment  I have fond memories of the original PnG, both here and with MARA, so I was looking forward to the new version. Trouble is, the cars now feel rather inert to me. Part of this I think is that I'm used to iR physics which always feel much more alive than GTR2, but I'm sure it is also because some of the character has gone. The iROC used to be a bit of a handful but enjoyable because of that, but now it just feels like any other car. You can't use the weight like you could in the old version (or at least, I can't) and you can do almost what you want on the way into a corner and it won't bite you - not even a nibble. I'm not a 911 driver in the real world, but I'd like to know Andy Purdie's view on whether this is realistic for a racing 911? The 250 special also feels rather numb, when the old one was an exciting slidey experience as I remember it.

I honestly really wanted to like this, but I can't I'm afraid  Hope you all have fun though 

The engine is started!

Give the Cadillac a try too - a great GT like car, despite its weight (and it's free!).

Is that an instruction aimed at Mark or everyone else? 

OK, I understand now. I wouldn't call that losing traction, more a case of scrubbing a bit (it only needs to travel at a slightly different speed).

I'm not sure I understand your point then? The first part says:

'To me it sounds like in GPL your inside wheel is loosing traction as its tied to the outside wheel speed too closely so its relying on the outside wheel keeping traction and allows you to rotate the car easier.'

If they are locked then how can the inside lose traction and the outside keep traction?

Clive is saying that in PnG he can't get the car to steer on the power when the diff is fully locked, not open.