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November 17, 2011, 08:45:39 PM +0000 - Zandvoort (GP) - UKPnG Version 2 Season 6
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Jaguar E-Type (#63026) P&G Group 3 O2L 2 +0.061
77.416mph
1 41:45.052
76.407mph
20 2:03.955
77.207mph
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76.277mph
20 2:04.375
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Ferrari 275 GTB/C (#67028) P&G Group 3 O2L 3 +0.206
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4 +20.918
75.774mph
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74.385mph
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72.806mph
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« on: November 07, 2011, 04:58:09 PM +0000 »

Practice: 19:20 (GMT) (60 mins)
Qual 2: 20:20 (20 mins)
Race: 20:40 (20 laps)
Cars allowed: Ferrari 250 (All) and 275 (Not Speciale) Jaguar "E" Type (All) Including Lightweights
Track: Zandvoort GP

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« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2011, 06:27:20 AM +0000 »

Two of the most iconic sports cars ever in a duel a Zandvrooom.... that's historical racing :-))

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« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2011, 08:37:02 AM +0000 »

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« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2011, 05:06:15 PM +0000 »

Indeed, could be fun. Needs more testing yet, if the 275 is way too fast, then lightweight jags may be added.
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« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2011, 07:16:51 PM +0000 »

We used to race in the ROTW P&G championship with the 275 GTB/C vs Jag Lightweight 5 spd 2 years ago... They're really close in laptimes Wink

This is the link to best laptimes in the 3 races we've used it (you have to click on the tracks of the Garage 2 (Bridgehampton/Brands Hatch/Enna Pergusa and then scroll down the page for every track):
http://www.racingontheweb.net/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=265

I guess it would be better balanced the field if you add the Lightweight, but I didn't tried these 2 cars on Zandvoort yet.

I add that probably the 250 GT (not competizione), would be totally out of pace comparing it to the 275 GTB/C, and the same thing should be for the Jag 4 spd (both Coupè and Roadster). I will do some test soon anyway to see if there's too much gap between the 275 and the rest of the field.

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« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2011, 08:38:19 PM +0000 »

Great cars, great track  Cool
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« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2011, 10:05:32 PM +0000 »

F the faster drivers take the slower cars then perhaps it doesn't matter that the cars are not equivalent.


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« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2011, 12:07:36 AM +0000 »

F the faster drivers take the slower cars then perhaps it doesn't matter that the cars are not equivalent.




Ok Clive, you convinced me... I will take the fastest car  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2011, 11:49:49 AM +0000 »

Indeed, could be fun. Needs more testing yet, if the 275 is way too fast, then lightweight jags may be added.


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« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2011, 01:55:53 PM +0000 »

What about the 250GTO? Would be another nice addition.

I'm not at home at the moment and I don't have access to some simracing pages like
nogrip and others from the office, so I can't check this.
But as far as I know the 250GTO hasn't been released for P&G yet - only for GTL2GTR2.
That's a real shame.

Looking forward to this one.
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« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2011, 03:27:41 PM +0000 »

What about the 250GTO? Would be another nice addition.

I'm not at home at the moment and I don't have access to some simracing pages like
nogrip and others from the office, so I can't check this.
But as far as I know the 250GTO hasn't been released for P&G yet - only for GTL2GTR2.
That's a real shame.

Looking forward to this one.


Yes Special, 250 GTO is not part of the P&G 2.1, and it will be released with the v3.0.

In my first test, I tried in this order these cars to have an idea of their laptimes in race trim, and how they're close to each other:
275 GTB/C => 2.02.0
250 Berlinetta => 2.09.0
250 Competizione => 2.07.0
E-Type Coupè 4spd => 2.05.0
E-Type Lightweight => 2.02.0

I will have to try again both the 250 to go down a bit, but their respective pace is really far by the 275 GTB/C and Lightweight 5spd. My idea is that 275 and Jag 5spd have nothing to do in this group, cause it will be really difficult to compete agains these beast for a 250 or Jag Coupè 4 spd. Evenmore, I guess it would be better to introduce the 250 Competizione in this group of cars, cause it's surely more balanced with the Jag Coupè 4spd, than the 250 Berlinetta.

I believe that 2 better balanced groups of cars could be these:
1) Ferrari 250 Berlinetta/Competizione - Jag Coupè/Roadster 4 spd
2) Ferrari 275 GTB/C - Shelby GT 350 SCCA/CASC - Jag Lightweight 5 spd - and maybe Shelby 289 Roadster (even if it's slightly faster than the rest of the field).

5 or 7 seconds gap in race pace is too much to be replaced only with a good driving... do you agree with me Clive? Smiley

However, take it only as a suggestion, cause any decision you will take, it would be fine for me... I always based my choice on the other drivers which usually are on my pace, so...

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« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2011, 03:36:47 PM +0000 »

My feeling from testing at other tracks is that the lightweight is more or less similar to the 275
so thanks for the testing guys. (and BILL)  250 is there for those who want to self handicap.

This is after all a democracy  Roll Eyes
I need to save some cars for the next race and the next and the next .....
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« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2011, 04:59:09 PM +0000 »

My feeling from testing at other tracks is that the lightweight is more or less similar to the 275
so thanks for the testing guys. (and BILL)  250 is there for those who want to self handicap.

This is after all a democracy  Roll Eyes
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I agree with you Matt, but I was just wondering if you could consider to save the 250 Berlinetta here, instead of the 250 Competizione, that is at least more matched with the others. Admitting I should go down a bit in my laptimes with Competizione, I see difficult to go under a 2.05 with it. I guess it would be a more suitable choice for those who want to self-handicap. At least it can compete with the other cars, especially the 275/Jag 5 spd. duet, if well driven.
In other words, if the faster drivers won't take the 275/Jag 5 spd, racing with the 250 Competizione could be a great challenge, but at least would be possible for it to compete agains that duet (pushing very hardly). At the opposite, I see difficult for everyone to have a chance to compete with the duet, driving the Berlinetta. That is my 2 cents Wink
However, any decision is up to you Matt, I promise I won't bother you anymore  Grin Grin

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« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2011, 05:07:43 PM +0000 »

I meant no 275 competizione. I will look at the 250 options, I would like to keep it to
Ferri v Jags  but whatever works is what will be run.
Again thanks for the input Matteo.  thumbup1
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« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2011, 06:09:42 PM +0000 »

I meant no 275 competizione.
I guess we had a small misunderstanding Matt. I thought you was referring at the 250 Competizione, but you was talking about 275 Speciale, that actually is called "275 (Competizione) Speciale" (so you're right Smiley). So, if I understand well now, the 250 Competizione was already available, before my useless observations  Roll Eyes.

Again thanks for the input Matteo.  thumbup1

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