UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8

[Clive Loynes]

Sorry to say that I'm a bit with Tony on this one.

Seems I have waited two years for someone to louse up the Mustang!  It must be 50bhp down on before!

John can obviously drive it but it will take me a good while longer to come to terms with it.

They have obviously perked up the Sprint a tad and must have made it less tyre hungry too!

Jury still out and no sign of coming back too soon.

Why does that "mapping thing" not work for me?  Apart from a funny noise it has never done anything else.

[phspok]

Results and Replay posted

[Wiltshire Tony]

Matt, they don't look right. I'll have a looksee later

[phspok]

I had to add some cars and the names of drivers
Some of the cars may not be the correct Falcon, but couldn't see any option that made sense

And hmm the results are wrong too. Perhaps I selected the wron "race" file

[Hotkeys]

Everything was a bit weird in this race,  so naturally the results are too :-)

I'd like to say, that I'm very surprised to read, that some of you guys are disappointed with V 3. I think it's the best SIM racegame I've ever tried. I sure hope Tony gets to like it eventually,  we can't do without you mate:-)

Stig

[Wiltshire Tony]

I had to add some cars and the names of drivers
Some of the cars may not be the correct Falcon, but couldn't see any option that made sense

And hmm the results are wrong too. Perhaps I selected the wron "race" file

I'll have to consult with Dave, but there's definitely a way to fix this. Consequently there will be a delay before the correct results are posted.

[Mark J]

Yeah that's the first aborted race result.

Shame about the early problems but your always going to get that with simbins dodgy net code and a huge new mod. Shame for mike missing the restart too, but there was enough chat to say we were skipping qual... I thought   delaying the event another 10-15 mind causes probs for others of us.
Sorry to hear your disallusioned WT, you really need to have a proper drive with the rest of the new stable, they are great fun and a nice choice of cars, a definite improvement in handling, more progressive.

I had a great race, the falcon felt spot on to me. Heavy car, old tech suspension, you could lean on it nicely and loved countersteering out the corners. Had great fun in a race long battle with gold top. First half we were glued together then he eeked out a couple of secs with me chasing him hard for the rest of the race.
Finished on the podium   happy with that as first race ever using a falcon, first proper race with manual shifter and hadn't raced at Montreal since Geoff crammond f1 days!!

[goldtop]

A shame that our first V3 race was so troublesome and disappointing to see drivers left out. I guess this shows the worth of our usual policy of holding test events prior to running new mods. Thanks anyway for the efforts made by those behind the scenes to get this running tonight.

As for V3...I was smiling from the first car I drove, but then I disliked most of the cars in 2.1 so can appreciate the difference in opinions. The overwhelming feeling around the community seems to be extremely positive, but then so it was for 2.1 

As for the race, it was a real mental and physical workout for me. A scrappy first lap trying to get the better of Stig and Clive and then a long battle with MJ who kept my concentration up until the last few laps. Was getting tired by the end and was glad to see the flag.

Congrats to John for getting the stang together so quickly and bad luck Stig....felt a bit guilty nabbing your 2nd place 

[Mark J]

im as surprised as Hotkeys to hear some are already unhappy about the new mod. Surely you havent given it enough of a try yet! Those guys spent nearly 3 years developing it, i think they are owed some patience from the racers! I was really impressed with the way the Falcon handled, just how i would expect a big car to.

Im not quite sure what you guys are expecting from a heavy 60's car being driven hard?

I would however open up the field to give more car choice, as a falcon v mustang race isnt exactly show casing P&G3, nor P&G2.1 to be fair  
I would rather see good fields of similar class cars, ie Group 2 races etc. on historic tracks like Oulton Park, goodwood or 70's touring cars on european circuits, and US muscle class cars on a good variety of US tracks.

[SpecialKS]

Agree that the Mustang NTK is still undriveable as it ever was   (well done John and congratulations   )
but the Falcon feels much better now although I'm still far too slow.
Could improve to something around 2:08 during race but have to regard my style of driving as being a
borderline case concerning cutting  

Too tired to complete my lonely race in last place after my only competitor for it (Bill) did not enter the race  
Crashed at about half of the race for good.

Let me say "Thank you very much" to Tony and UKGTL/UKGTR staff for making P&G V3 available so short-term for
online racing   - highly appreciated. Really looking forward to next week's Antipodean race with the Alfa 200 GTAm  

For me too P&G V3 looks like the best Sim I've ever tried so far - really curious to make a private quick convert of a
LM55 car from GTL to GTR2/P&G V3  

In order to attract more new drivers I would like to propose to change to the SimBin lobby too, as already mentioned
here.

Thanks again guys.

[phspok]

I would like to run future PGv3 events as simbin lobby, just need to make sure that all events
will use the same lobby. We are working on it.

@MJ please suggest some track/car combos if you want to have a real impact on what we do here
same goes for anyone. Tony and I have to do what we think works, mostly it goes down well
but any help is always welcome. Same goes for anyone with an opinion, shout up guys  
if people make decent workable suggestions, they will likely happen in one series or another.
We could even try Tony's old "Readers Wives" events. where you get to blame someone else
for the melee  

[BillThomas]

I like V3 and after Manteous’s advice I find that I can now control the Yank Tanks – having passed driving test 1Jan 58, when disc brakes were available on road cars Cadence or Modulated braking were order of the day as drivers discovered “stoppers” as opposed to drum brakes.  Having driven many of the road versions of these cars (Mini Cooper, Cortina GT, BMW 3.0CSL, 2002 Tii and the original BMW535i they were all easy to drive if you accelerated and braked in straight line.

Comments:-

1.   Now able to drive most of V3 cars with default setup, with just changes of steering wheel angle and brake bias.

2.   There are a number of anomalies, expected after such a mammoth task.  At Donny the Falcon Spring is gutless and revs bog down in 4th.  The Falcon Weslake was gutless and sounded it – would only reach 128 mph into pits at Montreal offline race.  Online it had that crisp note and was doing 139 mph at the second yellow bridge.

3.   Agree with Kurt Mustang NTK is a pig to drive.

4.   All the CSL variants are a joy to drive and the exhaust is spine chilling; same goes for the Capri RS.  In GTL and PnG V2.1 I could never feel happy with the CSL; it always felt it was trying to get away from me.

My driving is limited to a couple of half days at Donny Nat and last nights practice and race; my overall impression is that it’s a vast improvement over all previous Sims I’ve driven.  But then, what do I know about it, my only track experience was a Formula Ford introductory session at Silverstone 25 years ago.

[BillThomas]

I would like to run future PGv3 events as simbin lobby, just need to make sure that all events
will use the same lobby. We are working on it.

@MJ please suggest some track/car combos if you want to have a real impact on what we do here
same goes for anyone. Tony and I have to do what we think works, mostly it goes down well
but any help is always welcome. Same goes for anyone with an opinion, shout up guys  
if people make decent workable suggestions, they will likely happen in one series or another.
We could even try Tony's old "Readers Wives" events. where you get to blame someone else
for the melee  

British Touring Car Championships similar to run in previous formats - nice Yank Tank/European Cars battles. 

[phspok]

Interesting note about on line off line differences, I had never noticed that 

Thanks for the support Bill, I was hoping to do a British series, similar to Tony's current one.

[Mark J]

Interesting note about on line off line differences, I had never noticed that  
Thanks for the support Bill, I was hoping to do a British series, similar to Tony's current one.

You sure that wasnt just 'Final gear ratios' Bill? or even corner exit speed differences? I would be pretty amazed if such a glaring difference hadnt been picked up by the mod team!
I used the falcon on and offline at Montrea and didnt detect that sort of speed drop.  

Re Series for racing, not looked yet, but arent there proper championships/series setup in the P&G3 mod? ie geared to using the relevant matching car groups?
Other than that, its just 'real world' stuff that i would like to see, ie the 60's British touring car series, the 70's International TC series, Guards Trophy, Goodwood Revival, Oldtimer at Nurburg GP, Sebring US GT... type events
They fire the imagination and we get to emulate the old heroes, both car and driver!

Personally i want us to run a 70's racing series using all the glorious new cars...BMW, Escort, Capri, Porsche etc as we havent used them in anger yet. We can all grow sideburns and wear flares 

I totally respect all the work you guys do behind the scenes, I just didnt see the point of a year long season using only two car types. The number of racers dropping off has kinda backed that up. At least in the BTC there were a few car choices but even then, why no minis etc? When i watch or read about old BTC events, its great to hear about minis v mustangs v cortinas v etc etc. Some tracks will favour one car over another but the idea is it balances out over a season using different circuits.
Or even if you do decide to run regular seasons, break them up with special events using good car lists to give people things to look forward too and increase participation perhaps?