UKPnG Season 7 North American Cup - Montreal - Nov 8

[Wiltshire Tony]

If I might drop in an observation.

P&G V3 seems to now have almost the same cars that we in GTL are currently using for the extremely popular GTC '76 series. If your not familiar with this innovative league allow me enlighten you.

16 world class circuits from 1976 (approx).

4 car makes (Porsche 911's, Boss 302's, Escort's and Beemers).

Restrictions are that you can only drive each car for a maximum of four races.

There is real strategy involved in choosing which cars you will run and where.

[Mark J]

If I might drop in an observation.

P&G V3 seems to now have almost the same cars that we in GTL are currently using for the extremely popular GTC '76 series. If your not familiar with this innovative league allow me enlighten you.

16 world class circuits from 1976 (approx).

4 car makes (Porsche 911's, Boss 302's, Escort's and Beemers).

Restrictions are that you can only drive each car for a maximum of four races.

There is real strategy involved in choosing which cars you will run and where.

That sounds a great series (though dont get this fad with restricting peoples car choices?) but using possibly the most arcade-like pc sim out of the lot available! I deleted GTL as it seemed like dodgem cars with cruddy physics. Like most sims, it was great when it first came out and nothing similar to compare with, but once i got hold of P&G i quickly saw GTL for what it was. But each to his own naturally. I do get the feeling GTL is more popular here because you can just jump in any car and drive it how you like  whereas some folks like myself want a car that handles, sounds and feels like the real car would have done (albeit in sim land).
 
Now if we can just run that same series in P&G3 i am sure there would be many happy bunnies 

[SpecialKS]

Just an idea:

running a 76 series next season in P&G V3 and maybe a GTL- series with some addon cars from peroiod 65 and/or 76

[Mark J]

how about this, lifted straight from their real world website:-

Tophat Masters Racing Series 

A series of Invitation Races for Group 2 Touring Cars and Group 4 GT cars of the 1970s European Touring Car Championship.

Bringing back the slicks, wings and body kits of the iconic touring car battles of the 70s, BMW Batmobiles vs Cologne Capris, Touring 70s plans to relive some of the great battles of the European Touring Car Championship in its heyday period. Being backed up by Group 1 Touring cars in this inaugural year, Touring 70s will be a regular on the Top Hat Race Day calendar as well as being invited to join Masters' overseas events on occasions.

For this season all UK races are 45 minute mini-enduros for 1 or 2 driver teams with a compulsory pit stop at Snetterton, Donington, Brands Hatch, Castle Combe and Mallory plus a POWERnights event with the Stars Of The 70s series and a trip to Anderstorp.

[FullMetalGasket]

A suggestion for a fun series that's been put to me was for a spec race series using the 'Stock' Pantera.
It's a very accessible car and great to drive for all. If the idea was popular then allowing custom paint jobs would be nice like I note you do/did in some of the GTR2 series 

I'm happy to race in anything, and agree that for the more 'normal' championships a big selection of cars would be welcome - I could go back to my old method of picking cars based on exhaust note instead wether car A is faster than car B 

[Legzy]

I've now downloaded it, so just want to throw in a comment of:
Would we not be best off having a bunch of races at our most familiar tracks (so we can concentrate on the cars), each race having a different small selection of cars. Giving all the cars a chance before starting some long series with 50% of these beautiful new cars never seeing the lite of day or the whiff of burning rubber?

[phspok]

All good stuff.
Thanks for the inputs guys. A lot of what has been said is what I had intended for the next
round of series, so it's good that others think the same.

One little point to note. For the Aussie series I have spent many (and I mean many) hours
testing cars to try to get a different choice for each event, though I have run a few events with
for example the E-Type and 275 ferri. It's not possible for me to do that for all events coming
up, more likely there will be 3 series with different cars and a different theme, and you guys
can decide what car you run. I don't have the time to run involved spreadsheets, or cutting
the series up into sections with car limits. Possibly I can cut a series up into sections
with different cars for each section with a free choice. Dunno I'll have to give it some
thought. My own feeling is that we should be running reasonably true to history events
sometimes that is too restrictive, so some freeform has to be included
It may be that some cars never ran together, but for the sake of good racing they may
do here at times.

[Mark J]

Sounds good Matt   

Only restrictions i 'might' throw in would be a) try and prevent cars from widely different vintage racing in same event (unless its a special event/free form) - ie if 4 of the cars available are say 1971 and someone picks a 1974 car and then wonders why they are racing up front on their own!
b) maybe disallow any car that is glaringly faster than the rest of the car selection from the same group/class/year. (one of the 3.5L 24v BMW's springs to mind).

But having said that, as its a first season with P&G3 why not just allow all car availability. We then get to see some glorious machinery on track  Only restriction to that would be making sure the driver can handle the power of the car they've chosen!

Happy Days, where are my Rayban Aviators?   

[goldtop]

The problem with running races of one class with no car restriction is that many drivers will gravitate towards using the fastest cars in that class.....just take a look at all the IMSA CSLs and 3.0 RSRs on the GC server on any given night   Car choices need to be reasonably balanced, which as Matt says takes lots of test time and even then can't guarrantee being 100% accurate (ask me how I know).

My favourite method for evening things out is one that is currently being used in a Historx league I race in. It's also very similar to previous series here:

Pick a group of say 10 cars and run a series of 6 races (or similar ratios). The only rule being that the driver must choose a different car for each race.  This should allow a decent mix on the grid and shouldn't be too restrictive on driver preferences. Simples  

Spec races and a too restricted car choice doesn't do the mod justice imho.
 

[Clive Loynes]

Bring back Legzy Dollars!   

[Hotkeys]

Whatever Matt or Tony presents, I will join. A big turn out is the most important issue for me. If 15 - 20 people turn up, it will always be fun :-))

Stig

[BillThomas]

Interesting note about on line off line differences, I had never noticed that  
Thanks for the support Bill, I was hoping to do a British series, similar to Tony's current one.

You sure that wasnt just 'Final gear ratios' Bill? or even corner exit speed differences? I would be pretty amazed if such a glaring difference hadnt been picked up by the mod team!
I used the falcon on and offline at Montrea and didnt detect that sort of speed drop.  

I think you must be right Mark, just been driving Offline with my Online qualifying setup and it is rev limited at 139mph same as Online.  It was all so much of a rush trying to sort out where the start lights were and everything last night it must have slipped my memory that I dropped the rear axle gear ratio Online.    Sorry for raising a red herring.  

[Mark J]

No problem Bill 

Results are still wrong, I want my hard earned pody place in neon lights  that race seemed to go on forever!

[Legzy]

@Clive lol

[Clive Loynes]

@Clive lol

Good to see you back from the dead Chris.