I really don’t get this 700 degree wheel rotation thing!
I currently use 300 degrees on my G25 and if I use anything other than maximum “LOCK” in the car setup I just motor straight off the circuit on the outside of the first corner.
When people send me setups with 12 degrees "LOCK", I smash straight into the pit wall trying to get out of the garage!
Mike (McLowry) tried to explain it to me recently but whilst it almost made sense, the testing still didn’t get me around a lap!
If using 700 degrees of rotation would have allowed me to use one set of 970s for the race then I want some. Can someone please explain it to me.
I will try to be understandable in my explanation Clive.
First of all P&G 3 is meant to be used with a 900° rotation of the wheel with the max steer lock ratio you can select in the setup menu (that depends by the car you choose). It's not an axiom, but it will makes the driving experience much more immersive and realistic. After all these cars are not GT, that use 400/450° of wheel rotation in real GT modern races.
However, using 900° and max steer lock ratio in game, you will need to cross your arms to deal with a hairpin bend at very low speeds. To make an example, you will have to turn almost all the wheel up to the 900° to manage to "close" a corner like the Loews bend at Montecarlo without crashing on the guard rail.
"When people send me setups with 12 degrees "LOCK", I smash straight into the pit wall trying to get out of the garage!"
This is true when you're talking about the pit garage exit. I lowered the steer lock ratio even to 11.0 before yesterday's race, and I had to leave the garage making some drift to avoid the wall, but this happens only at really low speeds, like that you have when you're leaving the garage.
This is the issue Clive. Less is the rotation you use on your wheel, and more is the precision required in your driving. If you add to a low rotation of the wheel (like 300°) a higher steer lock in game, you will need to be even more accurate (or precise... you choose) when you turn your wheel to do a corner. It will be difficult to explain it for me in english, but I'll try anyway
In your case, with only 300° of rotation, I would have chose a steer lock in game in a range between 10. - 13.0 not more. I'll try to explain why.
I don't know which was your steer lock for the race yesterday, but I assume you were on a higher value than 14. This fact means that you were absolutely able to exit from the garage without issue, but when you were driving your tank on the track, you should have experienced a lot of understeer in cornering, and a lot of overseteering when you were pushing on the throttle coming out by a corner with your wheel turned. These things makes the driving more difficult for a series of reason:
- ULTRA SENSIBLE wheel. You're practically driving a Formula 1 car.
- No feeling of tyre behaviour with sudden understeer/oversteer reaction of your car
- You will have to use only a very little part of the entire 300°, cause if your arms turn too much degrees of the wheel when you turn into a corner, you will experience understeer, that becomes oversteer when you're coming out of a corner pushing on the throttle.
That will be the most difficult to explain... I have to use a bit of math, but I'll try.
I would like to know which steer lock you were using yesterday, but for the moment I will make just an example, and I will assume you were using 16. We need a comparison between G25 and Thrumaster, by a simple mathematical proportion. We need to find the right steer lock in game, that is our unknown quantity (X).
These are the data at our disposal: Max thrustmaster rotation degree (270) - Max G25 rotation degree (900) - Max steer lock of the car (for the Falcon Sprint is 34.5) - Steer lock used in setup (X) ?
Translated in numbers:
270 : 900 = X : 34.5 => (270 x 34.5)/900 = 10.35
Premise that GTR does not work exactly in this way, cause the game does not follow a linear progression, this is surely a good approximation of the range value you shoud use to have the best gettable experience in your driving. In this case, with my Thrustmaster, I shoud have used a steer lock inside this range (9 to 12). I opted for 11 just cause I didn't want to be bothered to do a manouvre using the reverse gear to leave my garage.
In your case the proportion changes in this way:
300 : 900 = X : 34.5 => 11.5
So your "right" steer lock value should have been in this range (10 to 13) approximately to exploit at best your G25.
Now, if you selected a value over the 13, your car should have been ultra responsive, and you would have experience some of the issues I explained before.
Comparing the results under the hypotesys you selected a value of 16 for the steer lock, we obtain this:
My case:
270 : 900 = 11 : 34.5 => 0,94 circa
Your case
300 : 900 = 16 : 34.5 => 1.40 circa
If you want to give a meaning to the 2 values, they show how much is the distance by the best gettable precision obtainable by your wheel.
The perfect value should be 1 of course.
In few words, if you compare 0.94 with 1.40 it means that you had almost 50% less of degrees at your disposal to be more precise in your driving. I will do another example, than finally I should have finished
If the game "believes" that you have to turn your wheel of about 120° to do a corner, you will have a range near that value in which the game will "save" you from understeer/oversteer if you turn it a little more or a little less degrees. If we set that range in a + 5°/-5°, you will not have to do any correction on your wheel to do that corner if you are in this range. So, if you turn the wheel between 115° and 125°, your car will not have any bad reaction. In my case, that range will enlarge of about the 50% more than yours, so the game will consider correct if I turn my wheel in a range of about 112.5° and 127.5°.
That means that you have less margin of error compared to me, and your drive needs to be extremely precise, or you will be always fighting with understeer/oveersteer, that means more corrections on your wheel and more countersteer all over the places.
The more degrees you will use on your profiler (combined with the right value of the steer lock), less will be the precision you will need to drive, and you'll have a bigger margin of error.
Now, if you want to follow my suggestion, try to familiarize with a higher wheel rotation. I always used 708° with my G25 since I started to test the P&G 3, and usually the right steer lock ratio combined with 708° is between 25 to 28, even if it depends by the car, and by the max steer lock value. That will help you to have a better tyre wear, a better car control, and probably better performance. I know for my past experience, that it won't be easy to change your mind about this, cause I spent almost a month to re-learn to drive when I passed from a 270° wheel to a 900°, and now I'm finding really frustrating to re-learn to drive with 270°, so I won't race anymore with this toy for kids. When you get used to do it, I'm sure your fun will increase rapidly.
It has been a difficult thing to explain, and I hope to have been enough clear guys. I have a bad headache at the moment
Cu
