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  • S22GT Surfers Paradise: November 06, 2011
November 06, 2011, 09:37:12 PM +0000 - Surfers Paradise - UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) GT
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 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Samb
 Team 7 GT
Lola T70 MkIII GT 1967 3 +1.324
100.951mph
1 48:32.093
98.925mph
40 1:11.605
100.579mph
Goodyear  
EvilClive
 HikiWaza GT
Lola T70 MkIII GT 1967 4 +1.359
100.902mph
2 +10.803
98.559mph
40 1:11.368
100.913mph
Goodyear  
Alex Barresi
 Godzilla GT
Ford GT40 MkIIB GT 1967 5 +1.661
100.477mph
3 +14.211
98.444mph
40 1:12.193
99.760mph
Goodyear  
Phil Thornton
 Green GT
Porsche 910 GT 1967 6 +2.134
99.818mph
4 +16.021
98.384mph
40 1:11.405
100.861mph
Dunlop  
Al Heller
 Clark-Hill Racing
Lola T70 MkIII GT 1967 2 +1.001
101.410mph
5 +21.284
98.207mph
40 1:11.679
100.475mph
Goodyear  
fpolicardi
 Team 7 GT
Porsche 910 GT 1967 10 +2.906
98.761mph
6 +33.673
97.794mph
40 1:11.772
100.345mph
Dunlop  
b_1_rd
 Clark-Hill Racing
Porsche 910 GT 1967 8 +2.406
99.443mph
7 +34.413
97.770mph
40 1:11.876
100.200mph
Dunlop  
Doni Yourth
 Green GT
Ford GT40 MkIIB GT 1967 14 +3.315
98.210mph
8 +1L
96.620mph
39 1:12.907
98.783mph
Goodyear  
Cookie
 GT International GT
Ford GT40 MkIIB GT 1967 11 +2.960
98.688mph
9 +26.768
95.738mph
39 1:12.625
99.166mph
Goodyear  
FullMetalGasket
 HikiWaza GT
Ford GT40 MkIV GT 1967 7 +2.383
99.475mph
10 +44.960
95.148mph
39 1:13.132
98.479mph
Goodyear  
Nigel Smith
 HikiWaza GT
Porsche 910 GT 1967 9 +2.491
99.326mph
11 +46.444
95.100mph
39 1:12.828
98.890mph
Dunlop  
kinghiro
 Clark-Hill Racing
Mirage M1 GT 1967 13 +2.984
98.656mph
12 +59.240
94.690mph
39 1:13.738
97.670mph
Firestone  
Rainier
 GT International GT
Ford GT40 MkIIB GT 1967 16 +4.113
97.153mph
13 +2L
93.827mph
38 1:14.121
97.165mph
Goodyear  
blito
 Green GT
Ferrari 330/P4 GT 1967 12 +2.976
98.666mph
14 +12L
94.573mph
28 1:13.735
97.674mph
Disco
Firestone  
s2173
 Team 7 GT
Mirage M1 GT 1967 15 +3.840
97.512mph
15 +23L
88.015mph
17 1:15.753
95.072mph
Disco
Firestone  
BadBlood
 Godzilla GT
Ford GT40 MkIIB GT 1967 18 16 +34L
79.571mph
6 1:19.334
90.780mph
Disco
Goodyear  
jhalli
 GT International GT
Lola T70 MkIII GT 1967 1 1:10.017
102.860mph
17 +40L
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Goodyear  
2 UKGPL_T7
 
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Goodyear  

Moderator's Report

A great opening race to season 22 Gt's.

The rolling start was good for 95% of the grid until T2 and then it was good for 100% until T6, where it dropped to 95% again!!!.
Fulvio thought that he had gained an extra 2 cylinders in his Porsche at the start, as he passed many cars around the outside of T1, until reality dawned at T2. Juha was rolling comfotably until he got a wheel on the grass at T6 and had to suffer the embarresment of waving to the whole grid as it cruised pasthis stranded Lola.
There were only 2 reported incidents after that, both involving the eventual winner of the race.


Server replay time: 0h11m30s

Rash move at Turn 7 is how Samb reported it but "opportunist and ill fated" might be a fairer description.
Somehow Sam managed to carry enough speed off of T6 to get partially alongside Al before T7, a distance of about 50 mtrs??!! This caught Al completely by surprise as Sam's Lola was now precisely where Al thought his clear apex ought to be.
The contact fired Al into the barriers and he lost several places whilst Sam escaped unscathed, continuing on to win the race.
The contact happened because Al did not see or expect Sam to be able to get his car into that position in such a tight sequence of bends, otherwise he might well have left room for both cars and avoided contact.

This is a classic example of the "perceived overlap" dilemma in GPL. I suggest that anyone who has not read the info here..https://www.ukgpl.com/rec_dvr_beh/rec_driver_beh.htm reads it NOW.

Al's car is intending to take the normal racing line, from wide on the left of the track, tight to the right through the apex and running out to the left again afterwards. Because his line through the bend is on a greater radius he actually starts his turn in much earlier than Sam will.
Sam is making a dive up the inside and cannot therefore take the classic sweep through the corner. He must literally follow the edge of the track on the inside and therefore his "turn in point" is only 10 mtrs short of the apex in this instance.
At Al's turn in point, Sam has only 30% overlap and can be said to have no right to the corner. But, at Sam's turn in point Sam has almost 100% overlap!! just at the moment that Al hits him. I think we have to rule Sam's attempted overtake as "ambitious", because the only way that both cars were going to make this corner, would require Al to give up his right to the racing line and allow Sam to go through on the inside.

The overtaking driver had NOT achieved 100% or greater overlap at the point of turn-in. There was no loss of control by either driver. Penalty for overtaking driver.

This type of incident occurs regularly in on line races and we have to moderate fairly and consistantly in these cases. We have therefore always deemed the turn in point to be that of the leading car, which in this case is Al's.

I have asked the opinion of the other moderators on this incident and the general agreement is that a penalty should be applied. But, Al has asked that no penalty be given because he knows from experience that Sam is not a reckless driver and would not have risked such a move if he did not think it fair. Had this been a Lap 1 incident Al would not have had that discretion and the Mods would have applied a penalty.

We have decided therefore, because of Al's comments, to mitigate this to a warning instead of the usual penalty.




  • Samb (Sam Blood)warning — Rash move at Turn 7
    For advice only - unreported by victim, so penalty disregarded


Server replay time: 0h39m10s

Incident at T6 with Clive Gardner and Samb.

I would like to be able( on a purely personal level as I finished behind Sam) penalise Sam and drop him 10 places, but this was a warp contact that caused Clive's car to spin.
The replays clearly show that there was no actual contact, although Sam is very close to the rear of Clive's car.

Warp Contact....Racing Incident

  • Samb (Sam Blood)advice — Contact with rear of Clive's car T6
    For advice only - unreported by victim, so penalty disregarded

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« Reply #30 on: November 07, 2011, 08:26:20 PM +0000 »

Happened also with Steve in the early laps, but I think there was a sudden slow down that caught me off guard like with Tim, at least in my replay...  angel

Fulvio, no problem on that.  It was probably my slowing that factored mostly into it.  You were carrying much better speed around most turns.  It never did any damage anyway, so it was just proper close racing in my book.  If there's not a few thrills and spills then we're not driving quick enough Wink
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« Reply #31 on: November 09, 2011, 12:37:22 PM +0000 »

Grats to Sam for snagging a most-worthy victory in the season opener!  Well done.

Great jobs by Evil for a fine run to P2 and by Alex showing terrific pace in the big MkII to grab the last podium slot.  Impressive
speed indeed for the Big Mutha.

Gutted to see that Juha had a problem on the pace lap and then got disco'd for his pains.  Scant justice there.

I'm quite pleased to have scored a top 10 with my MkII though it was somewhat lucky to be sure.

I've taken quite a few rolling starts in my time in GPL and other sims and this one has to go down as one of sloppiest on record.  I
checked the direct replay and confirmed it via GPLRA that I crossed the S/F line to start racing on L2 fully 17 seconds down to
the leader.  Holy smokes!  We gotta tighten this up, fellas.

I caught a break on this opening lap as Kiro slipped off the road in the twisties complex to promote to P12.  I then took up the
chase of my team mate, Jason.  On L6, Jason slid wide on a corner and let me through for position.  Next up was Axel well up the
road and also aboard a MkII.

It took 15 laps to reduce the six-second difference to Axel and once on his tail, I could see that I wasn't going to be able to pass
him easily.  He was driving with admirable precision being near line-perfect everywhere.  I seemed to close significantly on braking
but lost on acceleration onto the front straight.  Out of that last corner, I was being very conservative having had a few spins
there in pre-race trials with over-exuberance getting on the throttle.  I needed another break.

L31 and I got it.  Nigel, not far ahead of Axel and I, had a bad pass through T1 and got onto the grass verge on the left.  Not hard
to do, in fact.  In coming back onto the tarmac, Axel tried in vain to avoid the errant Porsche but there just wasn't enough room or
time to do so.  WAMO!  A big collision.  Nigel went for some barrel rolls and Axel worked hard to maintain control on the verge on
the right.  This was my chance and I immediately seized the opportunity to squeak by going into T2.  Not proud of that but it's dog
eat dog out there.  Wink

For the balance of the race, I had Axel counter-attacking well and applying heavy pressure.  Too, I was starting to fade and my
vision was giving out a bit.  Only a late-race off by Axel ended the duel.  Too bad as it was some splendid racing.

I pulled a bit of a boner by misreading my pitboard and came into the pits with one lap still to run.  DOH!  Lucky for me that Sam
had lapped everyone behind me up to point else I would have fallen down the order a ton!

Good fun and I'm looking forward to our next round @ Spa.

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« Reply #32 on: November 10, 2011, 08:58:26 AM +0000 »

This was my chance and I immediately seized the opportunity to squeak by going into T2.  Not proud of that but it's dog
eat dog out there.  Wink

Bet you couldn't resist smiling though Wink
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« Reply #33 on: November 10, 2011, 10:56:52 AM +0000 »

This was my chance and I immediately seized the opportunity to squeak by going into T2.  Not proud of that but it's dog
eat dog out there.  Wink

Bet you couldn't resist smiling though Wink

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« Reply #34 on: November 23, 2011, 10:56:31 PM +0000 »

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« Reply #35 on: November 24, 2011, 09:48:36 AM +0000 »

Replay is available - didn't beat my record though...
Clive what about my pass to Nigel, after my rush and slow down, on rolling lap as I stated in a post before?
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« Reply #36 on: November 24, 2011, 01:56:42 PM +0000 »

These inadvertent passes have happened before Fulvio. If the driver concerned makes an effort to get back to the right place we let it go unless there are some other problems.

You are in good company. The other sinners are the Chief Moderator and the Membership Secretary Wink
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« Reply #37 on: November 25, 2011, 09:10:16 AM +0000 »

These inadvertent passes have happened before Fulvio. If the driver concerned makes an effort to get back to the right place we let it go unless there are some other problems.

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« Reply #38 on: November 25, 2011, 11:53:17 AM +0000 »

Hehe. Don't do it again though...  Wink
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« Reply #39 on: November 25, 2011, 01:14:02 PM +0000 »

Because it was so entertaining we have decided not to penalise you  Grin
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« Reply #40 on: November 25, 2011, 04:39:17 PM +0000 »

Because it was so entertaining we have decided not to penalise you  Grin
Yeah , I heard your laughing when I slowed down... Embarrassed   Grin
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