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« on: November 18, 2011, 07:09:42 PM +0000 » |
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UKGPL Season 22 65 Intermediates TrophyRace 2 Mexico CityWelcome to the second round of the Intermediates Trophy for Season 22. We move from sunny, twisty Surfers, a track with a really long start/finish straight to a standard Papy track - sunny, twisty Mexico City which has a really long start/finish straight. It does, however, present a different challenge to Surfers and the giant polos are none too sweet. This race is at the historic 2.747-mile race track "Autódromo Hermanos Rodriguez" in Mexico City, named for the famous racing drivers Ricardo and Pedro Rodríguez. This track first hosted F1 in 1962 when Ricardo was killed in practice for the non-championship event. Despite this inauspicious start the course was a staple of the F1 championship between 1963 and 1970. The 65 is again well suited to this track and should provide some close racing if we can avoid the deadly polos. However, be aware that it could be a little crowded when we get to the esses first time round. There will be crashes and patience is a must. The first lap will be fully moderated within the red zone. The red zone will extend to the end of the esses (turn 13) on the straight before Peralta. Please check the Season 22 pages for details regarding rules and the Intermediates Trophy pages in particular. Please see the Intermediates registration thread for an explanation of the chassis allocations shown below: https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=10017.0Please ensure that you take a valid chassis for your group. Cookie and I will be keeping an eye on you! Group I Lotus, Ferrari, BRM, Honda, BT11, Cooper, BT7 GROUP 2 BRM, Honda, BT11, Cooper, BT7 GROUP 3 BT11, Cooper, BT7 GROUP 4 Cooper, BT7 GROUP 5 BT7 FULL TIMEDRIVER | CHASSIS GROUP | Cookie | 2 | Du Fossa | 1 | Vosblod | 1 | Geoff 65 | 3 | Maddog | 2 | JonnyO | 2 | Francesco | 1 | Rainier | 3 | RonniePeterson | 3 | Karliss | 2 | S2173 | 2 | Bernie | 2 | Billy Nobrakes | 1 | Ross Neilson | 3 | RESERVEDRIVER | CHASSIS GROUP | Steve Bird | 3 | ivandjj | 2 | maestro57 | 3 |
Race List = iGORServer = UKGPL8 IP address = TBA Race date = 22/11/2011 Time = no later then 9:00pm UK Time (30-45 mins practice, race starts at 9:30pm) Track = mexico Variant = 65F1 Damage Model = Int Qualifying time = 30 minutes Race length = 23 laps Password: see aboveQualifying may start before 9pm, if so, Reserve drivers should leave the server when 35 minutes of qualifying remains and only rejoin when 30 minutes of qualifying is left. This is to ensure that Full Time drivers get priority in joining.Please restrict chat to pit messages if necessary, and this includes the end of the race, until all running drivers have completed the necessary laps. The Intermediates races are run under Int Long rules and all incidents in the red zone on Lap 1, at least, will be moderated. For this race, the red zone extends to the straight before Peralta. 65 Patch: The 2.02 Release of the 65mod can and should be used. You need a working installation of the 65 mod to install the 2.02 Update. All the 65 Mod files can be found hereDriver lists can be found on the championship standings pagePassword: see above
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Billy Nobrakes
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« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2011, 04:14:39 PM +0000 » |
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Beginning to wonder if it was a good idea to sign up for the Inters Its genuinely to allow room in the Novices rather than having any delusions that I might be competitive. I'm not listed in the race thread but assume I will be Group I - although I will be driving the customary BT11. Seems to be a distinct lack of Gp IV & Gp V drivers.
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« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2011, 05:42:18 PM +0000 » |
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Sorry Bill. My oversight. Yes, Group I. The lack of Group IV, V will change once races 1-3 are complete and we have a better idea of where people should be. I think Cookie has put you in now, either that or I am editing these pages in my sleep now...
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« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2011, 06:46:14 PM +0000 » |
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Beginning to wonder if it was a good idea to sign up for the Inters Yes it was Billy! As you have the full car choice it is up to you to use the benefits of a "better" car. I do remember the pace you can go in the BT11
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« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2011, 09:54:44 PM +0000 » |
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eh... fighting for last pos.. and end up in BUSH. who wrote this track with such GLUE BUSH? no 1st gear or Reverse can help pfff
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« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2011, 11:21:31 PM +0000 » |
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Replay is available here. Just select the Inters series and analysis is available if you click on the Archive name. That analysis is available directly from here. The Replay .rar file is available here.
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« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2011, 11:26:10 PM +0000 » |
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Thanks Paul
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« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2011, 01:12:29 AM +0000 » |
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Really needed to win this to have any show in the title, as Cerne's Wood and my laptop, don't get along at all, consequently I'll be forced to miss. Practiced quite a bit for Mexico and simply tweaked my Surfers setup with a set of very useable gear ratios. I had set a 1:52.8 in practice, but that's not always easy to reproduce in a Qualifying environment. Went out for Qually and set a banker lap, then tried to pedal it round as fast as I could make it go. After 4-5 laps, the last one feeling quite good, I pulled over and checked the lap sheets to find I had squeeked another 52 and was about 3/10ths clear of the next competitor, Dave Rainier I think it was at the time. Sat out most of the rest of Qually, until Ronnie bagged a 52 as well then thought I'd best be in the car if he pulled out another and bumped me off the top step. Traffic was a bit thick and found myself unable to advance my time any further. as it turned out, the time ended up good enough for pole Got a good start in the race and headed Ronnie into turn 1, leaving him some room on the inside as he'd indicated his path as we approached. Then set about settling into a groove and pulling out some time on the baying pack. Stretched the lead to 2 seconds then relaxed a bit, to concentrate on hitting the apexes and getting good exits. Ronnie was hard at it and started clawing little packets of time back, so every few laps I found myself having to push for a couple of laps to maintain a gap. Eventually, with a herculean effort, Ronnie caught right up behind me into turn 1. His eyes must have been big as dinner plates, having the opportunity to be this close after 16 grueling laps of effort. Sadly, in his haste to get out of the corner he put the right rear on the grass and spun, to be passed by Dave whom was holding on grimly, but got a new lease on life by picking up second. I was beginning to haul in the tail of the field and pushed to try and catch the car up ahead, to put them between me and Dave. I caught Bill into the hairpin on lap 17 and nearly had a cow when he had a half spin right at the apex, and hadn't left me a lot to aim for. He gathered it up and got clear, then as I rounded him up seeing he'd pulled over to let me by, poor Bill drove into the side of me and spun me off to the inside!! Arrrrgh, twin cows now!! Got going again and made haste to the start/finish line to get my pit signal and find out where Dave was. My hard won 9 second gap had been slashed to 4 seconds. Got my head down again and pushed for a couple of laps to stabilize the gap...then cruised, happily, to the finish. My first 'proper' race win at last. I don't count last seasons last-man-standing GT effort as a win. Commiserations to teamie Ronnie, for spinning when he really didn't need it....and after driving the wheels off the BT and all. Cars can be very inconsiderate at times. But congratulations as well to Dave and Ronnie for picking up the podium places. Very good to see there were no L1/T1 disasters, and there appeared to be a bit of 'jousting' going on throughout the field to cap off a very good race. PS: Forgot to mention the cracking fast lap set by Ronnie during the chase....a very impressive 1:52.582. Great job there mate. And also big congratulations to Hendy Nichols on his first UKGPL Novice victory, very well done.
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« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2011, 11:23:58 AM +0000 » |
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Grats to Geoff for his superb win! Grats to David and Ray who completed the podium! I hate this Mexico! But I love Cernes Wood! My quali was suboptimal and I started from 7th but my start was quite good and made me 5th after T2 From there to lap 11 T3, I had a great battle with Ross not risking anything, waiting for a mistake... But Sky had closed up as I had given Ross some space when he went wide in T1. Braking a little early into T3, I suddenly saw only sky... Recovering with a little damage on my front suspension I came in between Pete and Bernies battle. It took some laps til I caught Bernie and we had a fair and respectfull fight for 5th. Two old men fighting like youngsters what a FUN (I know, Bernie you are about 14 years more experienced ) Satisfied with my result, I can't wait to start at Cernes Wood
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« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2011, 11:40:50 AM +0000 » |
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I just arrived on the tail of the Bernie's little train when my engine did a fireball. Have already noticed at Surfers that towards end of the race i wasn't reaching next gear when i should have. Well, now i know why. I'm obviously doing something nasty to those little beasts, only need to figure what.
Congrats to Geoff, and it's especially nice to see Bernie score good result right after those depressing Surfers stories.
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« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2011, 12:52:28 PM +0000 » |
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Grats to Geoff for his superb win! Grats to David and Ray who completed the podium! I hate this Mexico! But I love Cernes Wood! My quali was suboptimal and I started from 7th but my start was quite good and made me 5th after T2 From there to lap 11 T3, I had a great battle with Ross not risking anything, waiting for a mistake... But Sky had closed up as I had given Ross some space when he went wide in T1. Braking a little early into T3, I suddenly saw only sky... Recovering with a little damage on my front suspension I came in between Pete and Bernies battle. It took some laps til I caught Bernie and we had a fair and respectfull fight for 5th. Two old men fighting like youngsters what a FUN (I know, Bernie you are about 14 years more experienced ) Satisfied with my result, I can't wait to start at Cernes Wood Lucky man you may race on cerne's Wood :'( we have to race on Rouen , we now this track already please give us Cerne's Wood to for the pro's greets svenvangent
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« Reply #11 on: November 23, 2011, 02:42:46 PM +0000 » |
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Congrats Geoff, you certainly deserve that win for the work you have put in. Well done mate
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« Reply #12 on: November 23, 2011, 03:06:03 PM +0000 » |
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I just arrived on the tail of the Bernie's little train when my engine did a fireball. Have already noticed at Surfers that towards end of the race i wasn't reaching next gear when i should have. Well, now i know why. I'm obviously doing something nasty to those little beasts, only need to figure what.
Congrats to Geoff, and it's especially nice to see Bernie score good result right after those depressing Surfers stories.
Thanks Ivan Your top gear seemed a little short to me Ivan, if you jump in my cockpit for a lap or two on the replay...I barely reached redline in a draft....but still could manage 160-161 at turn in for T1. Plus spinning early and getting clunked by Bill, then a bounce off the fence later on wouldn't have helped. All that stuff is cumulative damage, and something must pop in the end. When at or near redline too, you should delay your first downshift, or overspeeding is inevitable. Hope this helps, other than blowing the engine, yours was a good drive. Ditto Bernie, nice drive there mate.
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« Reply #13 on: November 23, 2011, 05:17:45 PM +0000 » |
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Interesting comparison of the top 5 qualifiers from each grid. Only 5 odd seconds covering 15 drivers...and with the addition of Novices, not too bad at all.
1 21 Joe Shaw 65 Honda GBR 1m50.530s 17 2 7 Tristan Bot Lotus FRA 1m50.735s 00.205s 15 3 11 thebigblue sven BrabBT11 BEL 1m51.900s 01.370s 11 4 12 Mark75 Barresi Ferrari ITA 1m52.084s 01.554s 10 5 17 Alex Barresi Ferrari ITA 1m52.118s 01.588s 11 1 14 Geoff Heard65 BrabBT11 AUS 1m52.825s 12 2 12 Ronnie Peterson BrabBT11 ITA 1m52.934s 00.109s 20 3 18 J Jonny'O BrabBT11 BRA 1m53.178s 00.353s 8 4 5 Dave Rainier65 BrabBT11 MON 1m53.628s 00.803s 15 5 10 Ross Neilson65 BrabBT11 GBR 1m53.632s 00.807s 18 1 21 N Hance65 BrabBT11 GBR 1m53.362s 6 2 12 HENDY NICHOLS65 BrabBT11 USA 1m53.685s 00.323s 7 3 15 Alastair Baldwin65 BrabBT11 GBR 1m54.280s 00.918s 8 4 9 rog uk65 BrabBT11 GBR 1m55.114s 01.752s 8 5 22 Rob Venn Honda GBR 1m55.920s 02.558s 4
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« Reply #14 on: November 23, 2011, 06:31:54 PM +0000 » |
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In pre-race practice I realized, I was very fast through the first corner, and that, if the others could somehow be avoided, my race would be good. A worthwhile start meant I was up to 5th after 2 laps, and just ahead of team mate Cookie. My driving was inspired, and so my engine expired, heading towards the hairpin on lap 3. This required a high speed ponder, as to where to stop. I needed the safest, quickest spot. After considering the use of Cookie's nose, I picked the outer hairpin, just ahead of him! It was here, I switched from BRM power, to Grumble power, and recovered to last place! Grumble! Having hoped to waft down the main straight, and overpower hapless Brabhamized victims, at it's end, t'was not the case. Instead, almost the entire remainder was spent, chasing Jonnie'O's tail, and trying not to overrev my grumbling. He refused to show any sympathy, but continued on with an obstinate 3-5 second gap, to it's end. This was very inconsiderate! Nice one Geoff! I believe we have some serious competition ahead of us, and hopefully some more behind as well, to prevent grumble overload.
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