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January 31, 2012, 09:35:38 PM +0000 - Kyalami (1961-67) - UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Novices (65)
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
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blito
 Shadows
Brabham BT7 (Climax) F1 1965 3 +0.544
106.764mph
1 40:44.850
104.900mph
28 1:26.383
106.033mph
Dunlop  
NHance
 Mountside Racing
Honda RA272 F1 1965 1 1:25.248
107.445mph
2 +0.787
104.866mph
28 1:25.791
106.765mph
Goodyear  
Giovani
 Team Coyote
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 15 3 +11.778
104.397mph
28 1:26.504
105.885mph
Goodyear  
Nigel Smith
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA272 F1 1965 7 +1.400
105.709mph
4 +31.852
103.551mph
28 1:26.199
106.259mph
Goodyear  
Johnny.P
 
Honda RA272 F1 1965 10 +1.809
105.212mph
5 +32.100
103.541mph
28 1:26.203
106.254mph
Goodyear  
roguk
 Clark-Hill Racing
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 2 +0.126
107.286mph
6 +53.347
102.660mph
28 1:26.582
105.789mph
Dunlop  
il_lupo_mannaro
 Black Night Racing
Honda RA272 F1 1965 6 +1.264
105.875mph
7 +1:07.791
102.070mph
28 1:26.003
106.502mph
Goodyear  
NewBlood
 HikiWazaRacing
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 9 +1.782
105.245mph
8 (+1) +1L
100.771mph
27 1:27.594
104.567mph
Dunlop  
philippe GIRARD
 
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 8 +1.436
105.665mph
9 +13.212
100.232mph
27 1:27.363
104.844mph
Goodyear  
BadBlood
 HikiWazaRacing
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 16 10 (+2) +1:02.094
98.284mph
27 1:28.227
103.817mph
Goodyear  
Pierre D
 
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 13 +3.893
102.752mph
11 +1:12.569
97.877mph
27 1:29.363
102.497mph
Dunlop  
HendyNichols
 
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 5 +0.704
106.565mph
12 +3L
104.035mph
25 1:25.850
106.691mph
Disco
Dunlop  
Rotaxmax125
 Supersonic Racing
Honda RA272 F1 1965 4 +0.605
106.688mph
13 +20.201
103.089mph
25 1:26.280
106.160mph
Disco
Goodyear  
happyal
 Clark-Hill Racing
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 11 +2.181
104.765mph
14 +11L
100.664mph
17 1:27.953
104.140mph
Disco
Dunlop  
norbert
 Antipasti Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 12 +2.394
104.510mph
15 +28L
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Goodyear  
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Moderator's Report

An exciting race full of incident but drivers didn't report much despite many little incidents. I think the Novices is showing a very nice spirit and it is a pleasure to be part of it. Now on to the bad news (lots of mitigating factors though)...


Server replay time: 0h00m53s

Norbert is slow off the line and moves left on to the apron. As he comes back on to the track he is rear ended by a witless Badblood who misjudges the gap badly. Although Norbert very graciously said that it wasn't Badblood's fault it clearly was.

There are also no grounds for appeal on the basis that we hadn't quite reached the Red Zone!

This would normally be defined as "Blatant Rear End Shunt" however this mentions that the victim is driving their [i][b]normal speed[/b][/i]. This was not the case.

A mitigating factor is that Norbert was very slow off the line and did not follow a steady line. The penalty is therefore mitigated to a 1 place penalty


Server replay time: 0h01m43s

Mini is caught out by Phillipe going very slowly into Clubhouse and shows his lack of racecraft by bending his exhaust pipes and climbing into the cockpit with him! Phillipe was slow and took a strange line but Joseph was the overtaking driver and the onus is on the driver behind to be ready for anything.

As with his Dad, this would normally be defined as "Blatant Rear End Shunt" however this mentions that the victim is driving their [i][b]normal speed[/b][/i]. This was not the case. Philippe is moving very slowly and there is a large discrepancy in speeds.

This was the result of poor racecraft and inexperience. The penalty is therefore mitigated to one place.


Server replay time: 0h01m51s

Phillipe is recovering from his crash and backs on to the track nearly collecting a surprised Badblood who is having an exciting red zone.

The rules have this: The rejoining driver was in full control but nevertheless drove straight back onto the track without leaving enough room for other cars. Contact was NOT made but other drivers had to take avoiding action.

This normally attracts a one place penalty but in this case Badblood had only to make a tiny adjustment so the penalty is mitigated to a warning.


Server replay time: 0h01m58s

Jason is chasing down Norm and a small warp contact knocks him back. Neither driver at fault.

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« on: January 30, 2012, 12:52:36 AM +0000 »

UKGPL Season 22 65 Novices Trophy
Race 4 Kyalami

Welcome to the resumption of the Novices Trophy for Season 22. Back to a Papy track that we all know and love. Kyalami usually has some close racing so hopefully we will shake off the ring rust with some wheel to wheel action.

As with the previous tracks, there will be crashes and patience is a must. The first lap will be fully moderated within the red zone. The red zone will extend to the end of the Leeukop bend on the first lap.

*** NOTE***
As we are at Kyalami, you must ensure that you have the Pit Wall IN PLACE.. Those without the pit wall will risk disqualification. Advantage can be gained without it and in particular, drivers should ensure that they know where the pit entry is WITH THE PIT WALL IN PLACE

The standard Papyrus track has a pit wall but there are patches available that remove it. The absence of a pit wall will not stop you from joining the race but anybody seen by the moderators miraculously driving through the pit wall on the server replay will risk disqualification.

Follow these instructions to restore the wall if you have a mod that has removed it:
METHOD 1:
To place a wall between the pits and the track, rename or remove the kyalami.trk and kyalami.3do files from your kyalami folder.
METHOD 2:
To reinstall the original Papyrus Armco, rename or remove the Armco_s.mip file from your kyalami folder.


Please check the Season 22 pages for details regarding rules and the Novices Trophy pages in particular.

It is very important that drivers are FULLY familiar with the rules relating to Shift-R. EVERY Shift-R MUST be followed by a Stop-and-Go or the driver will be excluded.

Please see the Novices registration thread for an explanation of the chassis allocations shown below:
http://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=9196.0

Please ensure that you take a valid chassis for your group. THIS IS IMPORTANT AS THE CHASSIS GROUPINGS AND YOUR SEEDING HAS CHANGED. Please check the Novice Chassis thread. I will be checking.

There are some new faces potentially amongst us who have been assigned to Group I

Group I
Lotus, Ferrari, BRM, Honda, BT11, Cooper, BT7

GROUP 2
BRM, Honda, BT11, Ferrari, Cooper, BT7

GROUP 3
Honda, Cooper, BT7

GROUP 4
Cooper, BT7

GROUP 5
BT7

FULL TIME
DRIVERCHASSIS GROUP
Badblood1
Rotaxmax1253
il lupo mannaro2
blito5
NHance3
HappyAl3
Nigel Smith3
economia2
Hendy Nichols4
Billy Nobrakes3
Screwcutter2
RogUK4
Roberto Vianna1
Pierre D1
carlospaz1
Giovani1
Leonardo1
Noguiera1

RESERVE
DRIVERCHASSIS GROUP
Miniblood2
JonnyBoy3
goldtop1
AuldenA2
Norbert2
BookieW1
Phillipe GIRARD1



Race List = iGOR
Server = UKGPL3
IP address = ping ukgpl3.dyndns.org
Race date = 31/01/2012
Time = no later then 9:00pm UK Time (30-60 mins practice, race starts at 9:30pm)
Track = Kyalami
Variant = 65F1
Damage Model = Int
Qualifying time = 30 minutes
Race length = 28 laps
Password: see above

Qualifying may start before 9pm, if so, Reserve drivers should leave the server when 35 minutes of qualifying remains and only rejoin when 30 minutes of qualifying is left. This is to ensure that Full Time drivers get priority in joining.

Please restrict chat to pit messages if necessary, and this includes the end of the race, until all running drivers have completed the necessary laps.

The Novice races are run under Int Long rules and all incidents in Lap 1 will be moderated.


65 Patch: The 2.02 Release of the 65mod can and should be used. You need a working installation of the 65 mod to install the 2.02 Update. All the 65 Mod files can be found here

Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page

Password: see above
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« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2012, 09:00:53 AM +0000 »

Oops, just check this site and see we have a race tomorrow, not done any running since the last race. This is going to be interesting Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2012, 09:25:19 AM +0000 »

Suspect you are not alone Al!
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« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2012, 11:30:18 AM +0000 »

thanks for all,

I'm very annoyed, because when I was registrated in the biginning season, I miss click, I had click on "less", so now I'm on reserve pilot.
I'm not sure If I can race tomorrow.
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« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2012, 08:08:02 PM +0000 »

I can confirm Al- you are not alone Cheesy
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« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2012, 08:17:03 AM +0000 »

I can confirm Al- you are not alone Cheesy

Smiley Good, at least I know this track.... sort off.
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« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2012, 11:05:56 PM +0000 »

Oh dear - got a whizzy new wheel - not used to it and I whacked Norbert off the line, sorry mate. No need to report it - it is in the red zone.
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« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2012, 09:06:18 AM +0000 »

First of all very sorry to Rog, we had a couple of coming together, not much I could of done about either of them, but I’m still sorry we had them in the first place.

Not enough practice for me I think, and overall a very disappointing race.

Qualifying went as well as could be expected, I was expecting to be low 27’s but couldn’t manage it on the day, but it wouldn’t of mattered much so I settled for my time and tried some laps with more fuel.

The race again went as well as could be expected. I got an OK start, and benefited from a accident or two and tried to settle down into a rhythm. I was just behind Miniblood and just in front of Rog. I had a little go at Mini but once Rog was on my tail I let him past. I then followed both of them as Rog tried his best to pass. They had a little moment and slowed unexpectedly in front of me, and I reacted quite slowly which meant that I tapped Rog. Mini blew past me on the straight and again, so I followed him for a few laps. I tried to pass Mini going into turn 1, but he lost it and spun into my path. Rog was right behind us at this point and got involved in our accident. After that I was in front of Rog, but once he caught me again I just let him past.

After that I was alone for the rest of my race. I made a few small mistakes as I was trying to push the car as much as I could. I saw that Miniblood and another driver were catching me again, so I tried to push more. I spun the car and decided I’d had enough, the red mist was down at this point and to save myself doing something stupid I quit.

Overall a really disappointing race and frustrating. I was nowhere in qualifying, even if I was on my PB pace I still would have been nowhere. My race pace was about the same level as qualifying, and I was a sitting duck on the straights. So I’m right back down at the bottom end of the grid again. I hope it’s just practice that I lack, I will try the Honda and see if I can make it drivable for me, otherwise I’ll be in the Cooper again Sad

I not going to be at the next race, so at least I’ve now got a month to practice.
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« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2012, 09:39:08 AM +0000 »

. I hope it’s just practice that I lack, I will try the Honda and see if I can make it drivable for me, otherwise I’ll be in the Cooper again Sad

Always difficult to choose the best car for the season... One question though - are we not locked into our chassis choices for the whole season? (excepting for the mid-season re-grading of drivers...... )

Anyhow - the race according to Blito.....
 I had actually taken the opportunity to get some pre-race practice in on Axel's server and reaped the benefits. I took my Cernes Wood setup and tweaked it a little and found during the fun race that I was battling tyre temps and so dropped the pressures a little and decided I was ready for the Novs race..
My pre-race expectations weren't high - the BT7 is just too slow in a straight line to be a contender on a track such as Kyalami - I really thought 6th place would be the best I could hope for.. I was amazed to be 3rd on the grid!
The start seemed nice and clean from the front runners but as we went round the first few laps it was clear that Norm was struggling with his Honda on full tanks... there was quite a bit of place swapping on those first few laps but the loser from it all was Rog who somehow banged wheels with Rob Venn and ended up spinning off..... Hard chargin's Rob lead lasted only a few laps before his dreams of victory went up in a pall of engine smoke.... and the BT7 was in the lead!
I would like to say at this point that I was comfortable and cruised to the flag but that wasn't the case... with the initial fuel load burnt off, Norm's Honda started to close me down, just a tenth a lap at first but as the cars got lighter Norm got faster.... and as I tried to respond the Brabham's front tyre started to go away from me! I had just resigned myself to losing the lead when we caught the backmarkers..... Badblood spun out of my way, miniblood gave up his fight with Pierre to let me through, Pierre moved offline and gave me the corner when it was his turn - very thoughtfull of them both considering how hard they were scrapping! Norm didn't appear to be so lucky and my lead was stretched enough to give me the gap I needed for the run to the flag.... another couple of laps and I think Norm would have had me!
Anyhow I fought hard to bring home my 3rd career victory ( from 128 starts mind you !) and feel proud to have brought the underdog BT7 home in first place on a power track!
Now just bring on Zolder!!!
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« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2012, 09:59:42 AM +0000 »

Always difficult to choose the best car for the season... One question though - are we not locked into our chassis choices for the whole season? (excepting for the mid-season re-grading of drivers...... )

I forgot to congratulate you on another fine win, well done to you and the other podium drivers.

My understanding of it, is that we have a free choice of any cars in our group for any race. So I could take a Cooper at Kyalami, and then a Honda at Zolder, etc. If I am wrong please let me know.
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« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2012, 12:00:37 PM +0000 »

are we not locked into our chassis choices for the whole season? (excepting for the mid-season re-grading of drivers...... )

You are Jase!  Grin Free choice of Chassis within your assigned group. I hope we have re-graded correctly but we might tweak for a driver or two... It is a new system so we need to get some evidence of it working.

Well done on a fine victory last night. Saw you coming and moved wide to let you through - hit the grass... bugger!

Ah well. Had a nice time chasing Pierre down but catching him was one thing, getting past another! Disappointed with my pace. My Prib was 1:26.7 and that was very achievable but I have a new wheel and I am REALLY not used to it. Very different experience though, much more control but I found that I was braking too much, too early at the point I would have used with my old wheel. The fact that I now have a clutch pedal didn't help either as it is a VERY ineffective brake.  Cheesy

Nice to get Mini and me on at the same time but oddly I had to join via GPL and use the servers internal address - I couldn't join via iGOR. It will be interesting to see if we can both get on the server for the PSC on Friday.

Beause of the issues with joining, I didn't get any qually in and I just had to go with the setup I had. It wasn't great but not disastrous either. What was annoying was that I had to drive with a clipboard for a steering wheel and I couldn't see the rev counter.  Angry

Hoping for better at Zolder but I tried the track out last night and I have to say, I don't like it. Who chose this one? Next year we are going to have some tracks that I really like!
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« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2012, 02:30:25 PM +0000 »


The fact that I now have a clutch pedal didn't help either as it is a VERY ineffective brake.  Cheesy


ROFL  Cheesy 
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« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2012, 03:04:20 PM +0000 »

The Honda  always gives an entertaining ride - difficult to drive, but fun. So I really enjoyed this one. Like everyone else who changed cars I only had Monday evening & a bit of race day to practice but after an hour on Monday I had a Honda pb of 1.25.08 compared to BT11 of 1.24.92 after years of driving it. I also had 2 broken engines!. Noted it was difficult to get off the start line.
On pre race chat Sky told someone who asked that the Honda rev limit is 12,500( Nigel & Rob wern't listening  Grin )& absolutely no speed shifting. I stuck to this in the race but not qually,& it lasted. In view of the above I was supprised to be leading after turn 1 & also still at the end of lap1. I am cautious on cold tyres but hoped to get away after say, 3 laps, but Rob had too much race pace for me & flew past using the tow & some demon braking. As at Surfers JB placed his BT7 carefully so that I had to give him room. Rob was comfortable in front till his engine blew & the gap between JB & me varied between 1 & 4 seconds. I was catching at the end but too late my fastest lap was the last one.
The only real chance I had was when JB caught the back markers who were involved in a close battle but he's as good on the grass as he is on tarmac Roll Eyes. A deserved victory & well done 3rd Giovani. Bad luck Rob, that happened to me once, & Hendy(disco I believe).
Nice to get an opportunity to change car that's why I went BT7 season 21. It will be more difficult now than the BT11 but it will be.....er.....interesting.
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« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2012, 03:48:20 PM +0000 »

I didn't practice much for this race. When I found out that I was getting the same top speed with all the cars (except the BT7), I decided to be rational for once: I went for the sound of the engine and the look of the dashboard !  Grin
The race ? I remember one thing: I managed to keep Badblood away from my gearbox for quite some time but finally, I choked with two laps to go and  I missed a turn. I resent the fact that Mauvais Sang didn't even slow down to check if I was OK but as you know, life is a jungle. I do know it will be a different story on the Ring next friday.
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« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2012, 04:07:53 PM +0000 »

The fact that I now have a clutch pedal didn't help either as it is a VERY ineffective brake.  Cheesy

Do you drive with hiking boots?

What was annoying was that I had to drive with a clipboard for a steering wheel and I couldn't see the rev counter.  Angry

You should know there is a fix for this...

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