UKGTL - Season 0-A (TC65) - Round 2, Anderstorp South - Jan 16

[popabawa]

I guess a real wish-list item for any upcoming sim would be a customisable handicap system such as the FIA weight penalties that *should* have been in GTR, I think that's a very easy to understand and workable system.

Fingers crossed for GTR2 I guess...

[AdrianD]

Any online TC65 drving I do will be in the Mini, it has to be a pretty competitive car or I would not have been able to qualify 13th and finish 13th last night, despite being last off the grid

[PaulW]

I do love the mini and will try to take it on some of the tighter, short tracks.

[Simon Gymer]

For sure, there are more evenly matched cars in GT65 but, in my experience, I am pretty sure Capris would dominate the 76's.

I think the Porsche 906 will dominate, but then not everybody has won that yet (me included). And I think the GT40 will be the choice car in GTC65 (opinion) again not won that one myself yet either, sooooon.

I guess a real wish-list item for any upcoming sim would be a customisable handicap system such as the FIA weight penalties that *should* have been in GTR, I think that's a very easy to understand and workable system.

Fingers crossed for GTR2 I guess...

Yes and we've been asking for that since GTR first came out in Germany. Would be very nice to be able to penalise both cars and drivers with weight penalities. Can't be that hard can it? It's done in single player in GTR already. To do it per car choice, just need to match the car with a configurable weight penalty in the dedicated server GUI and to do it per driver, could be done with a configurable weight penalty to match driver names (like the ban thing) again in the dedicated server GUI.

[Edza]

For my first race with you guys in GTL, that was a blast of a race!
Had a few good tussles (Mo - you scared the bejebus out of me when I saw you in the mirror! ) and lost it a few times on the end of the straight but think I finished 15th in the end. The mini is so much fun (I changed my mind from the Alfa to it at the last minute) - might try the Mustang next for the craic!

With regard to the championship, I'd be more than happy to take one of the lesser cars to add variety purely because the game is just so much fun, I'm not really in it for the win (wish I had the talent to but just smiling too much to care )

[Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer]

If we can't do weight penalties, one craaaaazy alternative (gawd I sound like a penguin! ) is to adapt the scoring to give more points for lower power to weight ratios (or similar). We did it in ProLeS and it worked quite well although that was with a ladder system and not a championship league.

[ginsters sponsored]

That sounds interesting Dave. How do the power to weight ratios look in TC65 for example?

I'm all for it if the mini comes out of it well  .

[[ZiP]Tyf]

If we can't do weight penalties, one craaaaazy alternative (gawd I sound like a penguin! ) is to adapt the scoring to give more points for lower power to weight ratios (or similar). We did it in ProLeS and it worked quite well although that was with a ladder system and not a championship league.

* [ZiP]Tyf slowly but surely pulls Dave over to the other team... 

I'd like a system like that tbh. Played online for a bit yesterday and thought I'd take a shot at actually winning this time, so didn't pick the Abarth, lol! Turned out that others had the same thought, hehe. And like Ginsters said... A lot of Capris and a couple of 911 RSRs in the top 10. Would be a shame if everyone went for either the Alfa or Cortina (maybe mini for some tracks), but as Popa said similar stuff happened in the N-GT season and it was still good fun! /Me still says the Bi-T was better than the GT3/360 :p.

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[Jeffrey]

Imo, cupraces are the most fun, and safest to drive. The cars have the same racing line and brakepoints. Was the Escort race not fun, I don't think so. Seeing many of the same cars makes absolutely no impact on the level of fun.
I also don't see why faster drivers should pay for that. They didn't find the speed on the street or won it at a lotery. They practised and practised for it, and might have gotten better hardware. So it's unfair to blame them for being fast.

[popabawa]

I also don't see why faster drivers should pay for that. They didn't find the speed on the street or won it at a lotery. They practised and practised for it, and might have gotten better hardware. So it's unfair to blame them for being fast.

They do (pay for it) in the FIA GT series with a weight penalty for the next race!

I see (and agree) with your point though

This rang a bell on a previous discussion on handicapping (drivers, not cars) and my 2p's worth on why I didn't think it would work;
https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=446.msg5886#msg5886

Handicapping cars is a totally different discussion as faster drivers would still be faster, but with more choice of cars.

[ginsters sponsored]

Lol Ruskus, no one is blaming you for being to fast. And you make a good point about single car races being much safer, I have taken out 1 or 2 drivers with mini already .

However we disagree because I believe that a one make grid would be terribly disappointing. I have had so much fun driving mini, falcon and hopefully will have with the Abarth that I would be disappointed if choosing them would leave me trundling about with no one to race.  I hope that a fair compromise, one that doesn't penalise the fastest, can be found but realise there are no easy answers.

[Jeffrey]

I have no problems with weight penalties (too bad tou can't force a full fuel tank). I love the Alfa and I don't like to be forced to take another car. But because this is testing I'm swapping cars every race...probably.
One suggestion for races is:
Make 2 divisions. Have a quallification session (multiple serves maybe) for all the drivers who want to race, and place the top half in Div 1 and the second half in Div 2. This will mae competitive driving and safer because of less lapping slower drivers.
Or, use two races a night in which the second race, the start is opposite of the result of race 1, so that the winners must start from behind.

[Aagramn]

One suggestion for races is:
Make 2 divisions. Have a quallification session (multiple serves maybe) for all the drivers who want to race, and place the top half in Div 1 and the second half in Div 2. This will mae competitive driving and safer because of less lapping slower drivers.

We might get enough drivers for 2 divisions, but this depends on how many sign-up for the proper season. The S0 races have been very well attended, but if we run multiple leagues for the TC-65, GTC-65 & GTC-TC-76 cars we might get less drivers in each class.

Or, use two races a night in which the second race, the start is opposite of the result of race 1, so that the winners must start from behind.

That could be fun, but we can't easily manage this in GTL. We'd need a manual pace lap, with a moderator on hand to call out drivers in order to get everyone lined up right, could be a bit of an operation. It could also cause a large number of race incidents.

[Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer]

I also don't see why faster drivers should pay for that. They didn't find the speed on the street or won it at a lotery. They practised and practised for it, and might have gotten better hardware. So it's unfair to blame them for being fast.

Nobody's blaming the fast drivers for being fast, but the league must focus on clean and close racing or people will get bored and leave. I hope that at least some of the "aliens" will rise to the challenge of trying to win in slower cars over slower drivers in faster cars, and having to actually race other people in the process instead of simply streaking away from pole position for race after race.

[Jamera]

Very well put Dave

In order to ensure to long term future of the leagues here we must ensure that all drivers at any ability level  are catered for. The aim of the league should be to provide a clean racing environment where everyone can enjoy competitive racing at their own level without feeling disadvantaged. As you quite rightly say, if the same old faces streak away from the pack race after race some members will lose interest.

It would also be a very good learning exercise for some of the slower drivers (myself included) to be involved in close quarters racing with the "aliens", pick up tips, observe racing line, braking points etc. which ordinarily we don't have the opportunity to see.