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  • S22GT Rouen: February 12, 2012
February 12, 2012, 09:36:33 PM +0000 - Rouen (1955-70) - UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) GT
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
FullMetalGasket
 HikiWaza GT
Lola T70 MkIII GT 1967 3 +1.317
120.599mph
1 51:59.411
117.256mph
25 2:00.990
120.925mph
Goodyear  
Samb
 Team 7 GT
Lola T70 MkIII GT 1967 4 +1.763
120.157mph
2 +11.085
116.841mph
25 2:01.284
120.632mph
Goodyear  
Mark75 Barresi
 Godzilla GT
Ford GT40 MkIIB GT 1967 2 +0.456
121.461mph
3 +25.654
116.299mph
25 2:01.559
120.359mph
Goodyear  
Cookie
 GT International GT
Lola T70 MkIII GT 1967 5 +2.019
119.905mph
4 +35.866
115.923mph
25 2:02.769
119.173mph
Goodyear  
Alex Barresi
 Godzilla GT
Ford GT40 MkIIB GT 1967 7 +3.014
118.935mph
5 +41.139
115.730mph
25 2:03.070
118.882mph
Goodyear  
jhalli
 GT International GT
Ford GT40 MkIIB GT 1967 6 +2.626
119.311mph
7 +59.629
115.057mph
25 2:02.651
119.288mph
Goodyear  
Phil Thornton
 Green GT
Ferrari 330/P4 GT 1967 10 +4.086
117.907mph
8 +1:02.407
114.956mph
25 2:03.659
118.315mph
Firestone  
fpolicardi
 Team 7 GT
Mirage M1 GT 1967 9 +3.526
118.442mph
9 +1:07.132
114.786mph
25 2:03.234
118.724mph
Firestone  
EvilClive
 HikiWaza GT
Porsche 910 GT 1967 8 +3.315
118.645mph
10 +1:23.429
114.202mph
25 2:03.817
118.165mph
Dunlop  
Doni Yourth
 Green GT
Porsche 910 GT 1967 11 +5.117
116.936mph
11 +1:36.105
113.751mph
25 2:03.239
118.719mph
Dunlop  
s2173
 Team 7 GT
Porsche 910 GT 1967 13 +6.937
115.259mph
12 (+1) +1L
111.565mph
24 2:07.005
115.198mph
Dunlop  
kinghiro
 Clark-Hill Racing
Porsche 910 GT 1967 15 +8.674
113.703mph
13 +22.800
110.763mph
24 2:07.585
114.675mph
Dunlop  
blito
 Green GT
Ford GT40 MkIIB GT 1967 14 +8.220
114.106mph
14 +1:02.808
109.382mph
24 2:08.392
113.954mph
Goodyear  
Rainier
 GT International GT
Ford GT40 MkIIB GT 1967 12 +6.481
115.675mph
15 +1:08.680
109.183mph
24 2:06.051
116.070mph
Goodyear  
Nigel Smith
 HikiWaza GT
Ford GT40 MkIV GT 1967 16 +12.588
110.347mph
16 +1:27.560
108.546mph
24 2:07.768
114.510mph
Goodyear  
BadBlood
 Godzilla GT
Ford GT40 MkIIB GT 1967 17 +15.399
108.056mph
17 (+2) +17L
93.397mph
8 2:17.148
106.679mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Geoff65
 Clark-Hill Racing
Mirage M1 GT 1967 18 +48.266
86.950mph
18 +20L
97.236mph
5 2:12.619
110.322mph
Disco
Firestone  
kinghiro
 Clark-Hill Racing
Porsche 910 GT 1967 19 DNS ---
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Dunlop  
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Porsche 910 GT 1967 19 20 ---
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Dunlop  
Al Heller
 Clark-Hill Racing
Lola T70 MkIII GT 1967 1 2:00.001
121.922mph
Excluded +0L
115.356mph
25 2:01.084
120.832mph
Goodyear  

Moderator's Report

The Rouen race provided some very close battles with the Lola's proving to be the favourite car again. It is a shame that no team has bought the Chapp 2F as that might have offered a chalenge, but it would also have made a large hole in the tokens, of course.

Until this race I had very little to moderate because the driving standards had been very high and the rolling starts were making lap 1 pile ups less likely.
But... we had a little fracas on the warm up lap at Rouen didn't we? ??? After watching the replay from all cars that were involved it seems that the tail of the field got a little left behind going up the hill after Nouveau Monde. That was not really a problem as Al was maintaining a steady and reasonable pace at the front and that gap would easily have been closed up before racing started. However...ahem!! cough!! it did not work out quite that way :o/.

The slower cars closed up on the tail of the rolling grid at almost twice their speed and caught them at the long right hander on the back straight, which of course meant that the cars leading this mini chase had to slow rather quickly to avoid overtaking the rolling grid. Whilst the first car managed to slow quite effectively, the next car was forced to take slight avoiding action which would also have been fine, if the next car had not been caught completely unaware and had to panic brake. The resultant slide set off a chain reaction that ended with 4 cars scattered across the track!!!

Advive ....... Provided that the leading car on the rolling lap limits his speed to approx 80mph everyone should be able to maintain their positions without any great effort. You should expect to drop back out of some of the tighter corners on the rolling lap and then plan to close of steadily on the next straight. You should aim to be approx 3-4 car lengths behind the car in front when racing starts and that means on the approach to the last corner on lap 1. There is no advantage to be gained by being right on the tail of the car in front of you as you will gain more by being able to take a clean line through the last corner at YOUR pace without having to make adjustments for the driver in front making a misjudgement.

No reports were submitted for this incident but in view of the fact that the incident was on Lap 1 and sent 4 cars into a spin, I think I have to award a penalty. see below
Later in the race Paul is about to be lapped by his Mark and commits the ultimate sin by actually hitting his team mate.
No report has been posted about this ( hardly surprising as they are ( maybe still are? ) team mates but I think it is worth commenting on in general terms.

Lapping is one of the times that contact often occurs and usually it is because the slower car is "trying to be helpful". Whilst any driver leading a race or involved in a close dice with another car appreciates a backmarkers efforts not to get in the way there are some guidelines that can make everyone's race a little less stressful.

If you find yourself about to be lapped...
Hopefully you have Pribluda running and can see that the faster cars are going to catch you soon. In which case you will be watching your mirrors as the fire breathing aliens come screaming up behind you. If you don't use Pribluda ( it is not comulsory) then you will have to be very aware of what is happening behind you by careful use of your mirrors.

IF, and only IF, you can move smoothly and obviously off the racing line before those cars about to lap you get too close then move over and drop your speed enough that they will have gone past you before you reach the next corner. This obviously works best if we are on a long straight.

If you are caught unawares by the approach of cars about to lap you DO NOT PANIC and swerve across the road in a last ditch attempt to leap out of the way. Far better to stay on the racing line and maintain a predicatble and controlled course so that the faster car can make a simple overtaking move. The only thing you need to do is to ease off slightly to allow the pass to happen. This does not mean jumping on the brakes, just a 20% lift on the gas that allows everything to happen before the next corner.

If you find yourself about to enter a corner when you are caught and cannot get out of the way, once again do not panic and try and do something sudden. Far better to take that corner as normal and allow the pass to take place on the next straight section.

Drivers that are about to lap a backmarker do not want to guess play a guessing game about which side they should pass and appreciate positive positioning of the car they are about to pass. It is also important for the faster driver to exercise a little patience and not expect the backmarker to throw themselves into the scenery. Any contact is bad news and will usually end someone's race, so waiting whilst the slower car gets around that corner without spinning in front of you is probably a good idea :o) after all he is probably going as fast as he can and is not deliberatly holding you up.!!

This week's lecture is now over. :o)


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Later in the race Paul is about to be lapped by his Mark and commits the ultimate sin by actually hitting his team mate.
No report has been posted about this ( hardly surprising as they are ( maybe still are? ) team mates but I think it is worth commenting on in general terms.

Lapping is one of the times that contact often occurs and usually it is because the slower car is "trying to be helpful". Whilst any driver leading a race or involved in a close dice with another car appreciates a backmarkers efforts not to get in the way there are some guidelines that can make everyone's race a little less stressful.

If you find yourself about to be lapped...
Hopefully you have Pribluda running and can see that the faster cars are going to catch you soon. In which case you will be watching your mirrors as the fire breathing aliens come screaming up behind you. If you don't use Pribluda ( it is not comulsory) then you will have to be very aware of what is happening behind you by careful use of your mirrors.

IF, and only IF, you can move smoothly and obviously off the racing line before those cars about to lap you get too close then move over and drop your speed enough that they will have gone past you before you reach the next corner. This obviously works best if we are on a long straight.

If you are caught unawares by the approach of cars about to lap you DO NOT PANIC and swerve across the road in a last ditch attempt to leap out of the way. Far better to stay on the racing line and maintain a predicatble and controlled course so that the faster car can make a simple overtaking move. The only thing you need to do is to ease off slightly to allow the pass to happen. This does not mean jumping on the brakes, just a 20% lift on the gas that allows everything to happen before the next corner.

If you find yourself about to enter a corner when you are caught and cannot get out of the way, once again do not panic and try and do something sudden. Far better to take that corner as normal and allow the pass to take place on the next straight section.

From the faster drivers point of view, the last thing he wants is a guessing game about which side to pass the car in front!! Also there is an obligation on the faster car to make the pass safely and if that means being just a little patient and giving the backmarker the chance to negotiate the corner before moving over then give him that time.
Contact is likely to end in tears for both parties and may even end both drivers races, so give each other every chance to continue.
Lecture over for this week. :o)

  • Racing incident


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Lap 5: Dave Ranier runs slightly wide and Sky attempts to make a pass on the inside.Sky is unable to hold his car to the inside half of the track and hits Dave sending him into a spin.


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Al Heller has admitted that he made a second shift/R which unfortunately is not allowed under the rules and is thefore disqualified.


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Paul misjudges the speed of the cars in front on the rolling lap and rear ends Nigel causing achain reaction that involes 4 cars.

rear end shunt 1 place + lap 1 incident so 1 extra place lost

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2:00.001
121.919mph
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« Reply #15 on: February 25, 2012, 10:05:29 PM +0000 »

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« Reply #16 on: February 26, 2012, 11:24:57 AM +0000 »

It 's time of polemic, it seems, and i throw it.
"... the Lola's proving to be the favorite car again. It is a shame that no team has bought the Chapp 2F ..."
And inevitably, the tokens assigned to the cars are not going well, GT is become a Lola Specs Champ (i could have aggregate choosing cars like the others, but you know that much fun !).
Change the assignments in the middle season not, eh? An error of evaluation is normal, but because dragging it to all season?
"... Later in the race Paul is about to be lapped by his Mark and commits the ultimate sin by actually hitting his team mate ..."
False, Mark have did a mistake , not Paul: the foot is not stuck to throttle, he can lift and give the driver in front more time to acquire the situation (especially in a fast corner).
My opinion is that lapped driver must maintain his trajectory, always, merely to facilitate overtaking soon as possible (but always remaining in trajectory, they are also in the race and are entitled to remain there without having to roll out a red carpet to fastest drivers).
I already know that my comments are useless, since the suggestions from the bottom are ignored (UKGPL is not a democratic system, i know, i know ...), but maybe it's time,for all decision-makers, to ask to themselves if the chosen path is the right one; i see there is a drop in attendance in the various leagues noteworthy, especially because there are newcomers to have dropped out (circuits too difficult? rules that penalize them too much compared to fast drivers? they have fun or not ?).
I hope to be off the road and have only fired my daily dose of nonsense: just the time, as always, will be honest and will say if i'm right or not to ring the alarm.
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« Reply #17 on: February 27, 2012, 09:52:54 AM +0000 »

I i see there is a drop in attendance in the various leagues noteworthy, especially because there are newcomers to have dropped out (circuits too difficult? ).


I would second that opinion... Many of the tracks are just not good for inexperienced players to go online racing, but I guess there is a delicate balancing act between keeping the div one aliens happy and being able to attract (and keep) new drivers....
 
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« Reply #18 on: February 27, 2012, 12:04:06 PM +0000 »

I i see there is a drop in attendance in the various leagues noteworthy, especially because there are newcomers to have dropped out (circuits too difficult? ).

I would second that opinion... Many of the tracks are just not good for inexperienced players to go online racing, but I guess there is a delicate balancing act between keeping the div one aliens happy and being able to attract (and keep) new drivers....

Doesn't every division show a dropoff in numbers from the first few rounds - initial enthusiasm on the wane & all that? I'm not at all convinced that we can blame the tracks - GTs this season are using 4 Papyrus circuits + 6 short & relatively straightforward tracks that I would have thought are quick to learn. I mean, tracks like Surfers & Pacific are hardly Schottenring & as for Reims & Carthage... well you might want to arm yourself with a flask of tea & a good book to read for much of the lap! In contrast I remember a few seasons ago when everyone was complaining about going to Monza for the umpteenth time so it is a balancing act but for me the GT selections are pretty good. Car & driver rules could do with some tweaks perhaps, but that's for another debate...
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« Reply #19 on: February 27, 2012, 12:34:15 PM +0000 »

I just realised that GTs isn't showing a dropoff in numbers anyway... full grids (i.e., 17/18 cars) at every race so far & the only blip was 14 cars for the Papyrus original Mosport...
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« Reply #20 on: February 29, 2012, 07:08:07 PM +0000 »

Given the cars being run this season so far I'm hardly suprised the Lola's tend to be the cars ontop - they're this season's top chassis as no-ones forked out on a Chap this time round.
Being suprised at the current results is a bit like being suprised if Hristo re-entered the Grad's and only drove Lotus'  Wink

Although I would be tempted to suggest that as Int damage mutes the T77's reliability issues somewhat it is perhaps undervalued at the moment in points terms  Smiley
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