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  • S22GT Rouen: February 12, 2012
February 12, 2012, 09:36:33 PM +0000 - Rouen (1955-70) - UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) GT
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
FullMetalGasket
 HikiWaza GT
Lola T70 MkIII GT 1967 3 +1.317
120.599mph
1 51:59.411
117.256mph
25 2:00.990
120.925mph
Goodyear  
Samb
 Team 7 GT
Lola T70 MkIII GT 1967 4 +1.763
120.157mph
2 +11.085
116.841mph
25 2:01.284
120.632mph
Goodyear  
Mark75 Barresi
 Godzilla GT
Ford GT40 MkIIB GT 1967 2 +0.456
121.461mph
3 +25.654
116.299mph
25 2:01.559
120.359mph
Goodyear  
Cookie
 GT International GT
Lola T70 MkIII GT 1967 5 +2.019
119.905mph
4 +35.866
115.923mph
25 2:02.769
119.173mph
Goodyear  
Alex Barresi
 Godzilla GT
Ford GT40 MkIIB GT 1967 7 +3.014
118.935mph
5 +41.139
115.730mph
25 2:03.070
118.882mph
Goodyear  
jhalli
 GT International GT
Ford GT40 MkIIB GT 1967 6 +2.626
119.311mph
7 +59.629
115.057mph
25 2:02.651
119.288mph
Goodyear  
Phil Thornton
 Green GT
Ferrari 330/P4 GT 1967 10 +4.086
117.907mph
8 +1:02.407
114.956mph
25 2:03.659
118.315mph
Firestone  
fpolicardi
 Team 7 GT
Mirage M1 GT 1967 9 +3.526
118.442mph
9 +1:07.132
114.786mph
25 2:03.234
118.724mph
Firestone  
EvilClive
 HikiWaza GT
Porsche 910 GT 1967 8 +3.315
118.645mph
10 +1:23.429
114.202mph
25 2:03.817
118.165mph
Dunlop  
Doni Yourth
 Green GT
Porsche 910 GT 1967 11 +5.117
116.936mph
11 +1:36.105
113.751mph
25 2:03.239
118.719mph
Dunlop  
s2173
 Team 7 GT
Porsche 910 GT 1967 13 +6.937
115.259mph
12 (+1) +1L
111.565mph
24 2:07.005
115.198mph
Dunlop  
kinghiro
 Clark-Hill Racing
Porsche 910 GT 1967 15 +8.674
113.703mph
13 +22.800
110.763mph
24 2:07.585
114.675mph
Dunlop  
blito
 Green GT
Ford GT40 MkIIB GT 1967 14 +8.220
114.106mph
14 +1:02.808
109.382mph
24 2:08.392
113.954mph
Goodyear  
Rainier
 GT International GT
Ford GT40 MkIIB GT 1967 12 +6.481
115.675mph
15 +1:08.680
109.183mph
24 2:06.051
116.070mph
Goodyear  
Nigel Smith
 HikiWaza GT
Ford GT40 MkIV GT 1967 16 +12.588
110.347mph
16 +1:27.560
108.546mph
24 2:07.768
114.510mph
Goodyear  
BadBlood
 Godzilla GT
Ford GT40 MkIIB GT 1967 17 +15.399
108.056mph
17 (+2) +17L
93.397mph
8 2:17.148
106.679mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Geoff65
 Clark-Hill Racing
Mirage M1 GT 1967 18 +48.266
86.950mph
18 +20L
97.236mph
5 2:12.619
110.322mph
Disco
Firestone  
kinghiro
 Clark-Hill Racing
Porsche 910 GT 1967 19 DNS ---
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Dunlop  
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Porsche 910 GT 1967 19 20 ---
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Dunlop  
Al Heller
 Clark-Hill Racing
Lola T70 MkIII GT 1967 1 2:00.001
121.922mph
Excluded +0L
115.356mph
25 2:01.084
120.832mph
Goodyear  

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The Rouen race provided some very close battles with the Lola's proving to be the favourite car again. It is a shame that no team has bought the Chapp 2F as that might have offered a chalenge, but it would also have made a large hole in the tokens, of course.

Until this race I had very little to moderate because the driving standards had been very high and the rolling starts were making lap 1 pile ups less likely.
But... we had a little fracas on the warm up lap at Rouen didn't we? ??? After watching the replay from all cars that were involved it seems that the tail of the field got a little left behind going up the hill after Nouveau Monde. That was not really a problem as Al was maintaining a steady and reasonable pace at the front and that gap would easily have been closed up before racing started. However...ahem!! cough!! it did not work out quite that way :o/.

The slower cars closed up on the tail of the rolling grid at almost twice their speed and caught them at the long right hander on the back straight, which of course meant that the cars leading this mini chase had to slow rather quickly to avoid overtaking the rolling grid. Whilst the first car managed to slow quite effectively, the next car was forced to take slight avoiding action which would also have been fine, if the next car had not been caught completely unaware and had to panic brake. The resultant slide set off a chain reaction that ended with 4 cars scattered across the track!!!

Advive ....... Provided that the leading car on the rolling lap limits his speed to approx 80mph everyone should be able to maintain their positions without any great effort. You should expect to drop back out of some of the tighter corners on the rolling lap and then plan to close of steadily on the next straight. You should aim to be approx 3-4 car lengths behind the car in front when racing starts and that means on the approach to the last corner on lap 1. There is no advantage to be gained by being right on the tail of the car in front of you as you will gain more by being able to take a clean line through the last corner at YOUR pace without having to make adjustments for the driver in front making a misjudgement.

No reports were submitted for this incident but in view of the fact that the incident was on Lap 1 and sent 4 cars into a spin, I think I have to award a penalty. see below
Later in the race Paul is about to be lapped by his Mark and commits the ultimate sin by actually hitting his team mate.
No report has been posted about this ( hardly surprising as they are ( maybe still are? ) team mates but I think it is worth commenting on in general terms.

Lapping is one of the times that contact often occurs and usually it is because the slower car is "trying to be helpful". Whilst any driver leading a race or involved in a close dice with another car appreciates a backmarkers efforts not to get in the way there are some guidelines that can make everyone's race a little less stressful.

If you find yourself about to be lapped...
Hopefully you have Pribluda running and can see that the faster cars are going to catch you soon. In which case you will be watching your mirrors as the fire breathing aliens come screaming up behind you. If you don't use Pribluda ( it is not comulsory) then you will have to be very aware of what is happening behind you by careful use of your mirrors.

IF, and only IF, you can move smoothly and obviously off the racing line before those cars about to lap you get too close then move over and drop your speed enough that they will have gone past you before you reach the next corner. This obviously works best if we are on a long straight.

If you are caught unawares by the approach of cars about to lap you DO NOT PANIC and swerve across the road in a last ditch attempt to leap out of the way. Far better to stay on the racing line and maintain a predicatble and controlled course so that the faster car can make a simple overtaking move. The only thing you need to do is to ease off slightly to allow the pass to happen. This does not mean jumping on the brakes, just a 20% lift on the gas that allows everything to happen before the next corner.

If you find yourself about to enter a corner when you are caught and cannot get out of the way, once again do not panic and try and do something sudden. Far better to take that corner as normal and allow the pass to take place on the next straight section.

Drivers that are about to lap a backmarker do not want to guess play a guessing game about which side they should pass and appreciate positive positioning of the car they are about to pass. It is also important for the faster driver to exercise a little patience and not expect the backmarker to throw themselves into the scenery. Any contact is bad news and will usually end someone's race, so waiting whilst the slower car gets around that corner without spinning in front of you is probably a good idea :o) after all he is probably going as fast as he can and is not deliberatly holding you up.!!

This week's lecture is now over. :o)


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Later in the race Paul is about to be lapped by his Mark and commits the ultimate sin by actually hitting his team mate.
No report has been posted about this ( hardly surprising as they are ( maybe still are? ) team mates but I think it is worth commenting on in general terms.

Lapping is one of the times that contact often occurs and usually it is because the slower car is "trying to be helpful". Whilst any driver leading a race or involved in a close dice with another car appreciates a backmarkers efforts not to get in the way there are some guidelines that can make everyone's race a little less stressful.

If you find yourself about to be lapped...
Hopefully you have Pribluda running and can see that the faster cars are going to catch you soon. In which case you will be watching your mirrors as the fire breathing aliens come screaming up behind you. If you don't use Pribluda ( it is not comulsory) then you will have to be very aware of what is happening behind you by careful use of your mirrors.

IF, and only IF, you can move smoothly and obviously off the racing line before those cars about to lap you get too close then move over and drop your speed enough that they will have gone past you before you reach the next corner. This obviously works best if we are on a long straight.

If you are caught unawares by the approach of cars about to lap you DO NOT PANIC and swerve across the road in a last ditch attempt to leap out of the way. Far better to stay on the racing line and maintain a predicatble and controlled course so that the faster car can make a simple overtaking move. The only thing you need to do is to ease off slightly to allow the pass to happen. This does not mean jumping on the brakes, just a 20% lift on the gas that allows everything to happen before the next corner.

If you find yourself about to enter a corner when you are caught and cannot get out of the way, once again do not panic and try and do something sudden. Far better to take that corner as normal and allow the pass to take place on the next straight section.

From the faster drivers point of view, the last thing he wants is a guessing game about which side to pass the car in front!! Also there is an obligation on the faster car to make the pass safely and if that means being just a little patient and giving the backmarker the chance to negotiate the corner before moving over then give him that time.
Contact is likely to end in tears for both parties and may even end both drivers races, so give each other every chance to continue.
Lecture over for this week. :o)

  • Racing incident


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Lap 5: Dave Ranier runs slightly wide and Sky attempts to make a pass on the inside.Sky is unable to hold his car to the inside half of the track and hits Dave sending him into a spin.


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Al Heller has admitted that he made a second shift/R which unfortunately is not allowed under the rules and is thefore disqualified.


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Paul misjudges the speed of the cars in front on the rolling lap and rear ends Nigel causing achain reaction that involes 4 cars.

rear end shunt 1 place + lap 1 incident so 1 extra place lost

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« on: February 11, 2012, 12:46:42 PM +0000 »

UKGPL Season 22 GT Teams Championship
Race 5 Rouen

 The fifth race in the GT team series and we are back to Europe and France. Rouen, well known as anoriginal papyrus track but where braking and handling will be tested.  Porsches might be good on the tighter sections but will struggle against the muscle cars up the long back straight.

 
Please check the Season 22 pages for details regarding rules and the GT Teams Championship pages in particular.

Reserve drivers should not join the server until there are only 30 minutes of qualifying left so as to give the FULL TIME drivers chance to join, and drivers are not to go out on track until there are 30 minutes of qualifying left as this helps all drivers join the server successfully.

Please restrict chat to pit messages if necessary, and this includes the end of the race, until all running drivers have completed the necessary laps.

The GT races are run under Int Long rules and there will be full moderation of lap one Red Zone and reported incidents for the rest of the race, however the moderators reserve the right to review any incident. Drivers are reminded that they are limited to ONE Shift-R

Please submit incident reports within a week after the race so that the moderators report may be out before the next race.

Race List = iGOR
Server = T7_2
IP address =62.149.202.168
Race date = 12/02/2011
Time = 21:00 UK time
Track = Rouen
Variant = GT mod
Damage Model = Int
Qualifying time = 30 minutes
Race length = 25 laps
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There will be rolling starts for all races with full moderation of both the warm-up and first lap.

Guidelines for rolling starts...

The car on pole will lead off the grid and maintain a steady pace for the 1st lap around 175kph
All drivers should form up in single file behind him leaving 3-4 car lengths between each car.
There is NO OVERTAKING on the 1st lap until the exit of the last corner.
It is the reponsibility of the lead car to ensure that all drivers are with him as he approaches the final corner.
Racing and overtaking begin AFTER the exit of the last corner, so you may overtake between the exit of the last corner and the S/F line.

Any driver who loses his position on the rolling lap, by going off, blowing his engine or through contact with another car ( regardless of fault) must rejoin at the back of the field.
Incidents on the rolling lap ( Lap 1) will be fully modded and anyone found to have caused another competitor to lose position through bad driving will be penalised appropriately.
Also, please make sure that you know which car you should be following on the rolling lap, so that you do NOT get out of position.

The teams have been chosen and the cars are polished and ready to go.

TEAMS

GT International Team
Juha Hallikainen, David Rainier, Axel "Cookie"   
Cars                     
Ford Mk2B, Ford Mk2B, Lola T70 MkIII


Team 7
Fulvio Policardi, S2173, Samb
Cars
Lola T70, Mirage M1, Porsche 910


Hiki Waza Racing
EvilClive, Nigel Smith, FMG?
Cars
Porsche 910, Lola, Ford GT40 Mk4


Clark Hill Racing
Al Heller, King Hiro, Bartosz/Vosblod
Cars
Mirage M1, Lola T70, Porsche 910


Team Green
Doni Yourth, Phil Thornton, Jason Blito
Cars
Ferrari, Ford GT40 Mk2B, Porsche 910


Team Godzilla
Alex Barresi, Mark75 Barresi, Badblood   
Cars                     
Ford Mk2B, Ford Mk2B, Ford Mk2B



Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page

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« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2012, 06:29:07 PM +0000 »

T7 server is set to 25 laps Long race and listening on Igor in Console session.
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« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2012, 08:38:41 PM +0000 »

Thanks Fulvio
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« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2012, 10:33:36 PM +0000 »

Oh boy... done a few practice laps round Rouen in my MKIIB and I am pretty sure I am gonna be last this time out!  Welcome to understeer city, population (GT)40!!!!
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« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2012, 09:59:32 PM +0000 »

Blast and triple blast!

Trying to drive for a finish and had my team captain bearing down on me - I went right to let him pass on the back straight but so did he Sad. By the time I realised it was too late... sorry Mark.

End of race for me.

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« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2012, 11:10:01 PM +0000 »

Confession time - I wasn't sure if more than 1 shift-R was allowed - just checked & it isn't so looks like a big fat DQ for me, oooops Embarrassed

Just about edged pole from Mark who was working wonders in the GT40. Had a good start & thought I might be able to stretch a lead but Mark had other ideas, reeling me in after several laps & using his superior straightline speed to simply breeze past on the back stretch. I was able to hang on to his tail though & while I was working out where I might pass he collided with Paul & I nipped back into the lead. With about 10 seconds lead over Tim & Mark looking like he may have incurred damage I was feeling rather pleased with myself, but then the Lola engine just popped. The rev counter needle had been a bit wobbly under power since the start so I assume it was a random failure rather than over-revving the damn thing as I geared it pretty conservatively & was changing up well before the red line :'(.

After my reset & pitstop, I had fun catching Sam & even held 3rd briefly until in all the excitement, I broke my number one Rouen rule, rode a kerb & spun fatally into the trees. Apologies for resetting & doing a 2nd stop 'n' go - that'll teach me to read the rules properly. Congrats to Tim & Sam & Mark (who gets commiserations too as he could well have won). Cursing my luck in GT's, but that's racing! 
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« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2012, 11:44:42 PM +0000 »

A very entertaining race from start to finish.  On about lap 3 I managed to get past Fulvio when he went wide trying to get past Evil's Porker.  Then for several laps I had Fulvio's Mirage all over my gearbox whilst I used the Ferrari power to reel in Evil.  Not surprisingly I could gain loads of time on the long straight but Evil would make most of it back up again at the hairpin.  Eventually I got close enough to drive past on the straight, I'm pretty sure I heard some expletives coming from Evil's direction LOL.  I then had to work hard to keep Evil behind but there was no way back for him without me making a mistake.  I duly obliged at the hairpin with about 5 laps to go.  I out braked myself which let Evil and Juha through.  I then tried hard to catch up, getting past Juha when he went wide and then it was Clive's turn to make a mistake.  He did exactly the same as me.  Outbraked himself at the hairpin and I was through.  Juha put me under pressure and got past with a lap to go.  I was ready to have a go drafting past on the last lap but I started to run out of fuel on the drag up the hill and my chance was gone.  Luckily there was nobody on my tail and I cruised to the finish, crossing the line with zero in the tank!

Well done to my team mates for finishing.  We are just about keeping ahead of Clark-Hill!!!
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« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2012, 06:56:51 AM +0000 »

One of these days I will learn what settings actually work on these big GTs ......   I just about got rid of the understeer by the final qualifying run and at last could take that big right hander flat out but the car still handled like a greased pig round the rest of the track! In fact, it was rocking side to side down the straights, like a ship caught sideways in a swell, and all I could do in the race was cruise to the finish. Still, I made it to the flag without needing a S+R and got some points for the team.
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« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2012, 09:11:30 AM +0000 »

Looked at the replay - no wonder Mark went right I was in the middle of the road - awful and cost my team 14 points. Sorry boys, I just can't drive this thing. Hope to be better at Reims.
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« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2012, 09:21:16 AM +0000 »

One of these days I will learn what settings actually work on these big GTs ......   I just about got rid of the understeer by the final qualifying run and at last could take that big right hander flat out but the car still handled like a greased pig round the rest of the track! In fact, it was rocking side to side down the straights, like a ship caught sideways in a swell
What're you driving Jason, I can probably send you a setup to give you some ideas.
Can't guarentee it'll suit you mind!
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« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2012, 11:00:43 AM +0000 »

Grats to Tim for taking the win and to Nigel for struggling with that mighty Mk4 to pick up a few good team points ( I think you have served your penance in that car now and can enjoy the Lola and Porsche for the remaining races Grin ).
I had the Porsche for this race and I knew that it would be at a huge disadvantage on the long straights but I hoped that it might regain some time through the tighter corners. In these races it seems there is a race for the GT's and then a race for the Porsches  lol, so I was hoping to be amongst the leading Porkers.

I arrived late for the start of qually, I had just arrived home after a day out ( sorry guys) and jumped straight into a fully race fuelled car for some exploratory laps and was surprised to find that my Adelaide setup felt really good. A few more laps just to fine tune the tyre temps and I was happy, so I dumped some fuel for a few banzai laps and was amazed to get in front of some of the muscle cars on the grid.  Grin

The rolling start was never going to favour the Porsche but I managed to hold on to the tail of a fast car for the first lap until Juha spun off and created a small gap. Although i was pushing as hard as I dared there was no way to overcome the speed differential up that long back straight and eventually Phil's Fezza started to take huge chunks out of my slender lead until he swept past. Despite braking as late as possible and closing the gap at every opportunity I was stuck behind Phil and his Fezza until he made a mistake......which he didn't!!!!
Fulvio threatened to take my place as well but a mistake dropped him back and a recovering Juha showed on Prib. I was using the tow from Phil's Fezza to get as much speed as I could up the long back straight, but it was slowly raising the engine temp in the Porsche as the needle bumped on the stop at top speed. Slowly I could see Juha closing until he too just blew my poor little porker away on the straight and challenged Phil. Then they both outbraked each other and slid wide...woohoo!!!  2 places gained and only about 5 laps to go Grin Grin Grin

But Prib soon showed that they were recovering quickly and closing far too quickly!! I threw caution to the wind and banzai'd the next 2 laps trying to stay ahead but only succeeded in outbraking myself into the hairpin and letting them past. A lap later and I did the same thing trying to stay ahead of Fulvio Roll Eyes
It was a hopeless attempt anyway because they would all have easily passed me within the next 2 laps with their speed advantage anyway.... at least that is my excuse for dropping 3 places in the last 2 laps!!

It was another great race for the Gt's and the teams. Although Hiki Wazas are on top of the points table at the moment there are enough races and points for almost any team to take the championship before the end of the season. As we approach the remaining races everyone needs to check that they do not use any car more than they are allowed to  Wink which might make for some interesting grids. Grin

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« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2012, 11:21:22 AM +0000 »

Unfortunately Jason, you are alone during these races so you cannot compare your drive experience with your team mate to decide wich is the better setting to use and...it is not so simple to discover the right settings because these beasts are heavy and they require alot of practice to be driven properly. Porsches are way more simple to learn and to drive than the remaining ones. Probably in Porsche you could have a behavior better than with the car that you have had.
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« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2012, 06:51:15 PM +0000 »

Good race that. I didn't get much practice before this race and as a result had an error stricken quali. I began to finally find my feet half way through the race. Had great battles with Axel, Tim, Mark and Al and was quite lucky to finish 2nd after various clamities.

I keep forgetting how vicious those kerbs are at Rouen. Congrats to Tim for keeping it all together for a fine win. Team 7 aren't that far behind in the constructors  Smiley.
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« Reply #13 on: February 15, 2012, 03:21:21 PM +0000 »

How do you decide when to leave the pits in Qualification?
I look at Pribluda and if there is no car in a range of 5-600 meter behind me I leave...

My Quali was not as good as my training sessions, but I found my place where I could stay.
I kept out of the troubles all the time and had to fight back my position only once when I had this brake lock and did a 540° turn before the hairpin.
Yeah nice fights with Samb and Alex and finaly a lucky 4th  Cheesy
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« Reply #14 on: February 16, 2012, 10:32:07 AM +0000 »

I have thought that you must have a pace around 2:00.00 as you had it some evenings ago! What happened to you m8 ?
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