UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Joe Shaw Memorial Trophy - Brands Hatch (Indy) - Apr 15

[Ronniepeterson]

Lot of incidents then in this race. I was involved in a few unintended collisions myself (Hannah, Bob, John, sorry guys). But sometimes these things just happen. I remember being totally wiped out at half distance by a certain alien driver in his last race victory at Zolder! But check out the response I got.

Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Works (67) - Zolder - Feb 5
« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2012, 11:26:48 PM +0000 »

"Firstly I'd like to apologise to Ray (RonniePeterson) for taking him out of the race, I'd settled into something of a daze after knocking round by myself for quite a while, and my reactions were not at their sharpest when I ran into the back of him as he slowed to let me past. Unfortunately the end result was Ray winding up upside down, very sorry." 

RIP Joe and as for the rest of us we should get our incident reports in and/or just move on.

[Baab]

Who ever it was was not going to get by on that turn and they decided to crash in to me.
As far as I could tell I was the second victim.
I was upset by this foolishness and tried to torpedo him off the track next lap.
This was supposed to be a fun race for Joe but it cannot be when this person is in a panic trying to get to where they think they deserve to be because they blew it in the first place.
I probably broke every driving rule however you cannot take a run at my goalie.

Apologies especially to the shaw family and to the memory of Joe because I retaliated when I thought it turned into a disgrace.

In my own defense I grew up laying hockey.

To Ronnie Peterson: no worries you are a nice person.

Malcolm

Malcolm, not sure if you viewed a replay or not but the nameless person you refer to, as you now no doubt know, was me.  I have submitted my statement about the incident so we will have to see what the mods make of it.  I can assure you that I was only trying to get past.  I was in no hurry to make up places after my L1 spin, but in my view this was a genuine chance to get by.  Pity your race ended at that point, the crash model seemed to inflict a disproportionate amount of damage to you and seemingly none to me.

I am really sorry that Tom (KingHiro) was dragged into this through my actions, a totally innocent party who's race was also effectively ended at this point.  I see you waited for me at the last turn Malcolm and attempted to ram me when coming round next lap...I'll just say this isn't hockey.  You owe Tom an apology.

Ronnie, thanks for the apology, I am also sorry for my part in the incidents, perhaps I surprised you.  Luckily we didn't have damage...or only light damage so could continue.  When we rejoined I don't think we could see each other which resulted in the second collision...

In the end my internet connection dropped and my race was run.  I was steadily improving my times and reckon there was still a bit to be had, but I was pleased with my best lap of 49.0.  Even though it is a short lap it is challenging.

Cheers,

Bob.

[hannah]

Here is a video of my defense statement.

http://www.silversevensens.com/2012/4/15/2951083/ottawa-senators-matt-carkner-suspended-one-game-new-york-rangers-brian-boyle

Malcolm

[BadBlood]

There is no defence for what you did and this is NOT ice hockey. If you simply want to thump somebody, find another game.

And yes, I am cross about it. 

Grow up.

[hannah]

Actually there is because it did happen.

I used an analogy to explain this.

A moderators decision would be racing incident anyway and I disagree and did something about it.

Does that help understand?

Malcolm

[Al Heller]

Actually there is because it did happen.

I used an analogy to explain this.

A moderators decision would be racing incident anyway and I disagree and did something about it.

Does that help understand?

Malcolm

But you had a "racing incident" with Baab (Bob) & you "did something about it" against King Hiro (Tom). How does the analogy explain that?

[BadBlood]

If you feel unable to accept a moderators decision (which has not even been made yet) and you will not, or can not abide by the regulations under which these races take place, then you have no place racing with us.

[hannah]

This applies to racers that think this is Forza 3.

[Ross Neilson]

You're completely missing the point Malcolm. If you feel Bob was in the wrong for your collision, you should report it through the usual channels and let the moderators rule on it. You should not attempt to exact justice on the track by deliberately ramming an opponent.

Even if Bob was in the wrong, you should not have done what you did. To make things even worse, you actually rammed the wrong guy, just because he was driving the same car and was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Instead of referring to hockey all the time, a full and frank apology to Bob and especially Tom (King Hiro) would be a better course of action for you.

[hannah]

Just trying to help you understand what Canadians are like when it come time for the decision.

Hockey is the perfect analogy. You screw somebody up and you will get it back regardless of rules. That is the way it is here.

The important thing is that Canadians do not go around starting it.

A sincere apology to Tom. I did not mean to spoil your race. I am sorry for what I did to you and you certainly did not deserve to victimized by my berserk act.

I do not know who Bob is? I do not have the replay.

I think that bad blood needs to stay out of this because how can the moderators do their job properly when you have somebody in what is probably a senior influential position chanting in the background for your head. This is prejudicial and biased. So full of love yet so full of hate.

Malcolm

[BadBlood]

I am not moderating this Malcolm but if it ever comes to appeal I'll throw the book at you. You can be assured that it will all be within the rules. I will give you the same unbiased treatment that other appellants get.

You just don't seem to get it. Bob didn't do too much wrong and you did and if 'that is how I am' is as good as it gets please don't bother re-registering. You appear to be saying that you reserve the right to ignore the rules. That is your prerogative. It is mine to exclude you from membership.

My responsibility is to ensure that we enjoy this game. Bad and discourteous driving will NEVER be acceptable. Anyone else who drives in the manner you did will also be treated exactly the same. My statement that the minimum you can expect is disqualification is a statement of fact based on the Etiquette section of our rules. In particular you are not allowed to drive the wrong way which you did for some considerable distance.

You will find no support within our community for what you did.

Not only did you besmirch Joe's memory, you continue to do so which is contemptible. But that, of course, is just my personal opinion.

[kinghiro]

Appreciate the Apology.I can assure you I saw red too, I had already been pushed off in t1 by Juha. A bit scary that (if I get you right) you wouldn t hesitate retaliation in future races. It s just not the way to do it in racing regardless of how much one feel like the victim right there and then, and the probability to involve others is big.

[BadBlood]

Replay is here

[hannah]

Thanks Tom and you are correct.

This is why bad blood should not be a moderator. It will always be personal never professional.

Not to worry, I am NOT going to race the final event because I was doing much better until bad blood decided to vent his spleen constantly and I am upset again.

The real problem is guys like bob. I promise everybody that unless he takes a good look at himself he will do it again.

Malcolm

[Ross Neilson]

The real problem is guys like bob. I promise everybody that unless he takes a good look at himself he will do it again.

If you believe that to be the case Malcolm then please submit an incident report and attach your client replay. You obviously feel strongly about this so you should take the time to state your view through the official channel rather than here on the forum. Thank you.