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July 08, 2012, 09:38:38 PM +0100 - Brands Hatch (GP) - UKGPL Season 23 (2012) GT Team Challenge
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
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EvilClive
 Fujikawa Racing GT
Porsche 910 GT 1967 2 +0.142
99.284mph
1 58:13.249
95.507mph
35 1:35.295
100.030mph
Dunlop  
jhalli
 GT International GT
Mirage M1 GT 1967 5 +1.067
98.336mph
2 +1:04.535
93.775mph
35 1:36.585
98.694mph
Firestone  
Doni Yourth
 Fujikawa Racing GT
Ferrari 330/P4 GT 1967 1 1:35.869
99.431mph
3 +1:15.844
93.478mph
35 1:35.555
99.757mph
Firestone  
kinghiro
 Bandit GT
Mirage M1 GT 1967 8 +2.024
97.375mph
4 +1L
92.796mph
34 1:37.917
97.351mph
Firestone  
fester
 Green GT
Ford GT40 MkI GT 1967 11 +3.234
96.186mph
5 +26.876
92.087mph
34 1:40.194
95.139mph
Goodyear  
Samb
 Team 7 GT
Ford GT40 MkIV GT 1967 7 +1.981
97.418mph
6 +56.784
91.311mph
34 1:39.452
95.848mph
Goodyear  
s2173
 Team 7 GT
Ford GT40 MkI GT 1967 12 +3.262
96.159mph
7 +1:06.365
91.065mph
34 1:39.965
95.357mph
Goodyear  
JonnyO
 Bandit GT
Chaparral Mk2D GT 1967 14 +3.999
95.449mph
8 +2L
89.667mph
33 1:39.480
95.821mph
Firestone  
Cookie
 GT International GT
Chaparral Mk2D GT 1967 3 +0.703
98.707mph
11 +4L
93.012mph
31 1:35.959
99.337mph
Disco
Firestone  
blito
 Green GT
Ford GT40 MkIV GT 1967 15 +5.041
94.464mph
13 +11L
88.035mph
24 1:41.886
93.559mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Phil Thornton
 Green GT
Mirage M1 GT 1967 10 +2.742
96.666mph
14 +27L
81.423mph
8 1:39.952
95.369mph
Disco
Firestone  
Al Heller
 Bandit GT
Ford GT40 MkIV GT 1967 6 +1.845
97.553mph
15 +31L
85.814mph
4 1:40.984
94.394mph
Disco
Goodyear  
BadBlood
 Fujikawa Racing GT
Mirage M1 GT 1967 17 +25.709
78.405mph
16 +32L
71.116mph
3 1:55.733
82.365mph
Disco
Firestone  
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Porsche 910 GT 1967 18 17 DNS ---
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Dunlop  
clouds
 Shadows
Ford GT40 MkI GT 1967 13 +3.439
95.987mph
Excluded +2L
89.369mph
33 1:38.937
96.347mph
Goodyear  
Nigel Smith
 HikiWaza GT
Ford GT40 MkIV GT 1967 16 +7.494
92.222mph
Excluded +3L
85.100mph
32 1:41.856
93.586mph
Goodyear  
Hristo Itchov
 HikiWaza GT
Mirage M1 GT 1967 4 +0.891
98.515mph
Excluded +11L
93.216mph
24 1:36.520
98.760mph
Disco
Firestone  
Cookie
 Antipasti Racing
Chaparral Mk2D GT 1967 9 +2.421
96.982mph
DNS ---
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Dunlop  

Moderator's Report

I think that there were more "incidents" in this race than the whole of season 22 GT's!! Even the rolling lap was not contact free??

Doni and Juha managed to tangle at the pit entry and although neither driver reported this as an "incident" it is perhaps worth a moderator's comment.
Any driver about to enter the pit can make clear his intention ( even if he does not use GPLWAIT with the automatic chat message) by holding a line close to the kerb and slowing gently and early. By the same token, a driver following any car as they approach the pit entry would be wise to allow for the possibility that the car in front is going to pit and give themselves a little room to take avoiding action.

A couple of drivers took more than the single Shift/R allowed under the rules and are therefore DQ'd ...yes I do check :o)

Only one reported incident(s) however.


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Approaching Hawthorne Jason runs in a little too wide and Doni takes a tighter inside line to make a lapping pass on Jason. Jason's line tightens and suddenly the huge gap that Doni saw is fast vanishing into shadow as the big MK4 comes back towards the apex.
I have watched the reply from both drivers views and think this incident came about as a result of simple misunderstanding.
Jason expected Doni to wait for a better opportunity to make the pass and did not anticipate that Doni would place his Ferrari where he did. Doni on the other hand, had closed up on Jason to lap him and could be excused for thinking that Jason was taking a wide line to let him through at the apex.
Racing Incident

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0

The same two protaganists arrive at Druids and again Jason runs wide, and again Doni goes for the inside line. Having been caught out only a lap earlier by the same car/driver combination, one would expect Doni to exercise a little caution and self preservation and wait until he could make a certain and safe pass around Jason and his very unpredicatable Mk4. But Jason should also have been aware that his car was difficult to control and position on the track, and could have made sure of a smooth and predicatble line around the outside at Druids by braking just a little earlier so as to allow a faster car a clear passage on the racing line?
I do not think there was anything malicious on either side, only a slight lack of patience and judgement.

Caution. to both drivers to exercise more care

  • Racing incident


Multiple resets are not allowed in the GT series. Drivers who transgress this rule are Disqualified.

Three naughty boys have been caught out and given extra lines....

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« Reply #15 on: July 08, 2012, 10:54:37 PM +0100 »

I never tought i would say that, but that track is worse than silvestone... Silver atleast has funny clouds, and doesn't drop to 26 fps. I installed every low res update, and it still wasn't good. At end of rolling lap I had a brief screenfreese, just a second, like in the nurby last year with porkys... unfortunately this time I managed to rearend someone during the freese. Went into pits  and waited everyone to past, fair to the guy i rearended i guess... and to get abit further from the pack, so the game wouldn't decide to blackout completely...

After that everything was ok, the ford mk1 handled like a dream (a slow one), I had only one off, and despite being so slow finished seventh... not that it matters, Il get tons of penalty for that rolling lap...
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« Reply #16 on: July 08, 2012, 11:10:17 PM +0100 »

So sad to see Al out.O thought he finished podium. Well at least Johnny and I pulled together a couple of points. I could have got third ..at least fought for it but got so surprised when the pitboard told me I was holding him at 5 secs that I kept staring at it and of went off. 20 secs lost but only one spot. Cant complain:).
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« Reply #17 on: July 09, 2012, 07:30:46 AM +0100 »

What awful race! It is the 2nd one I made from my girlfriend's PC and the 2nd made badly so I think the PC is underpowered. I had micro freezes all the entire race and only when I had only one driver around me or when I was alone the game was playable (with a broad sense the term). So I decided to upgrade the PC to make it at least decent for GPL (it means Athlon xp 3200+ and a PCI 4x Graphic Card or and nVIDIA AGP 7800 at least or a decent ATI AGP) indeed if anyone of you drivers should have one of these stuff let me know and we'll make the bargain.

Fortunately I was in the back in the grid so the possibility to make a incident was little, and apart this someone else have thought to animate the race in front of me during the rolling start lap.

I was struggling all the race to predict where my car was going with never more than 20fps and in fact the few times I've gone out of track it has been because of this drops of fps.

I was engaged with someone at a certain point in the race but he rearended so I had to reset making the S&G just before to have the planned PitStop so this made me drop down at least 12 secs more.

After this I've gone out of track at least other 3 times and the last one, at 10 laps to go, with another reset and...I don't know if I made the respective S&G, I'll have to watch for the replay.
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« Reply #18 on: July 09, 2012, 10:23:36 AM +0100 »

You will notice that Clouds has raced for Shadows - he has been put in as a non-scoring guest for this race as there was no 'pro' spot for him to go into.

Team Green did have a free spot but had already invited Jason to fill it.

Can I remind teams that each driver must take a different chassis in one race. You can, however, take the same chassis from race to race.

Teams risk losing points if drivers from the same team take the same chassis on the one race.
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« Reply #19 on: July 09, 2012, 10:29:18 AM +0100 »

Cazz...gioco di legno !  Roll Eyes Tongue Cool

When I was a child, I used to speak like a child, think like a child, reason like a child; when I became a man, I did away with childish things...oops sorry this was another story  Grin

When I was a child, there were always children younger than me and than friends of mine, the majority of which were too young to have fun playing with us because we were faster and taller and stronger for them, so due to keep these children playing with us (almost every child had a younger brother or sister to keep an eye on while they were playing together in the street or in the park), we have had to invent a NEW game modality so said "gioco di legno" for "playing by wood" properly a fake or imitation play, in which the younger were playing with us and like us but without to be affected by our rules, practically they were playing by themselves also if mixed with us.
That's why I said ...gioco di legno... so I played with you all yesterday evening LOL

It is not a problem for me anyway  Cool
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« Reply #20 on: July 10, 2012, 10:51:05 AM +0100 »

I seem to be the only one happy with this race

After letting the team down at Silverstone that more than made up for it. Fifth was beyond my wildest expectations. I drove about as well as I'm able and profited from the misfortunes of others.

This represents a triumph for Tortoise Driving Theory. "You lose more time off the road than you can gain on it".
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« Reply #21 on: July 10, 2012, 01:19:30 PM +0100 »

Well, I guess I have to say that eventually I was happy with my race too.

After a day at Silverstone watching the GP with Paul, I drove home (with the aid of a can of Red Bull) and jumped onto the server with the Porker.  I was rather surprised to find that no-one else had opted to take the Porsche because it is so strong around Brands??

Doni set a very fast pole lap for Mrs Fujikawa and we were looking good with a front row lock out Grin.

My qually time had been set on race fuel so I was reasonably confident of some good race pace. Cookie used the grunt of the 2D Chapp to muscle into 2nd place at paddock and I really gave him too much room as I struggled to stay on the black stuff and avoid a spin at the very first corner!!
In the early laps I was over driving a bit, but once I controlled the "Red Bull Buzz" I was able to pressure Axel's big 2D at almost every corner, until he ran wide and I was back into 2nd spot behind teammate Doni. The gap quickly closed and I began looking for a way past without compromising Doni's race. He kindly allowed me through and I was kind enough to immediately put a wheel on the grass at Stirlings and allow him to re-pass!! Undecided
After that It was a case of pulling as big a gap as I could over Axel in his 2D and all of those Fords so that my 42 second pitstop would still allow me the chance to get back up to the sharp end of the race!!
Axel arrived in the pit lane on the same lap as i did my stop but I was able to leave before him and set off after numerous Mirages and Fords, slowly hunting them down until I found myself in the lead with about 8 laps to go.
It was about then that fatigue finally overcame the Red Bull and maintaining concentration was a real effort with some very narrow escapes as i missed braking points and turn-ins.
Fortunately, I survived and made it to the flag with Doni getting some good points too in his Fezza...SHE will be pleased, I hope!  Roll Eyes

Grats to all who finished and sorry to all those who were disco'd at a track that is considered "safe". I can only assume that these were more to do with the server and internet issues than anything that GPL is doing.
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« Reply #22 on: July 10, 2012, 08:59:19 PM +0100 »

good race for me too even i did so many mistakes, at the start Hristo blows his engine and i was able to pick one place up . I couldnt stay with Cookie and Evil's porche's pace and slowly cap was 5 seconds or more .I got a good rhytm for the race .

Sorry Doni for hit ,i was ready try overtake you when i was close to you but you suddenly move to the pit entry lane and we collide ,sorry.

bad luck fo Hristo ! i was lloking for good fight !


My pit stop strategy was to come in 9 laps to go , i do it late as possible but couldnt keep 1st place as i see Evil's Porche was way too fast than my poor Mirage.

bad luck for cookie!  i dont know what happened to you ?

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« Reply #23 on: July 10, 2012, 11:36:09 PM +0100 »

Yeah Juha good race!

My race could have been good as well, if not my engine exploded Roll Eyes
I think I have to take other cars from now on, no more Chaps!
I had the idea of the Porsche too, but tbh the Chap is more fun to drive scooter

The race was with lots of stutters from all this messages and when I tried to read one I damaged my car...

 
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« Reply #24 on: July 11, 2012, 02:26:45 AM +0100 »

Grats to Evil on what must be a most satisfying victory!  Well done.  SHE was pleased. Smiley

Great job by Juha to score a fine P2 in the Mirage despite a mid-race incident.  Ahem...ahem...

Kinda lucky to score a P3 here in the Ferrari as I had some offs, incidents with contact with just about every Ford out there and a blown engine from which to recover.  To net a podium after all that was most surprising.

I hadn’t the slightest notion of entering the Ferrari.  I practiced with the Mk4 and was reasonably pleased to post a 36.90 in those trials, only about two seconds off my 330/P4 PB.  When I joined iGOR and punched up the event, I was dismayed to see that just about everyone was driving a Ford of some description and several Mk4's for sure.  I did some quick mental calculations and figured that with my pitstop handicap, I’d be just about even over the full distance with anything I could do with the Ford and the Ferrari was likely to be less of a handful over 35 laps.  So...

Pleased if lucky to snatch pole position even if a full second off my PB in the car.  Starting P1 was a real godsend in that it let me attempt a breakaway to build up a cushion for the mandatory pitstop.  Was the pace lap satisfactory, gents?

Off the start, I got away into the lead and pulled away nominally from Cookie’s Chaparral.  Soon, Evil was by to snatch P2 and closing in rapidly on me.  In my haste to load the Ferrari, I’d neglected to change my pitboard.srb and was still using the dedicated example for the Ford Mk4.  I have specific srb’s for each car that enables me to read the board without blockage of view from the GT car fenders/mirrors.  The result of this was that the bottom line of the board was obscured and I couldn’t see for the balance of the race just whom was behind me at anytime.  Only after switching over to the F10 chase view was I able to determine for a certainty that it was, indeed, my team leader, Clive the Evil, whom was chasing me.  Coming off Stirling’s on L6, I throttled back and let the little Porsche thru for the lead.  HER cars running P1 & P2.  Can’t be bad! Smiley

Less than a lap later, I’m back in the lead!  Evil has gone off in the devilish South Bank corner and put me right back up front with a substantial cushion.  Clive at least managed to recover just in time to keep Axel’s 2D Chaparral at bay.

Coming up to finish L15, I had a nice four-second advantage on Evil when he decided to make his handicap stop.  Ditto for Axel.  This promoted Juha to P2 but he was almost 30 seconds in arrears.  Looking good!  Yes, until part-way thru L16 when my V-12 engine puked up a few valves.  Groan...  It took me a few seconds to realize that the engine was junk and I finally pulled over for a reset just the other side of South Bank.  Going again, I dropped into the pits for my S&G at the end of the lap.  That near-on 30 second gap back to Juha in P2 had all but vanished.  He was now hot on my tail and proving most anxious to pass.  I was due for my handicap stop shortly so punched up, ‘PIT IN’, on this lap.  Preparing to dive into the pitlane at the end of the lap, I realize now that my better option was to let Juha pass coming off Stirling’s rather than lead down to Clearways.  As I rounded the corner and aimed for pitlane, I eased up on the throttle slightly and Juha, doubtless taken by surprise at this, tagged me and we both went into wild spins.  I’ll plead guilty on this and take responsibility for not exercising caution.  Apologies to Juha.  At least we were both able to recover and resume.

I served my stop noting the time with a stopwatch I had strung around my neck.  In my last-minute decision to run the Ferrari, I had not configured GPLWait properly and feared a massive cockup in the pits so yanked out the watch from a nearby desk drawer at the last moment.  I stumbled badly in grasping the watch but finally managed to activate it.  Observing the server replay later, it seems I was stationary for something like 66 seconds, well over my required time.

Mobile once more, I exited the pits in P9 to start L18, just behind Sky’s GT40.  My missions was clear.  Run like hell and try to climb the leader board as best I can.  A unintentional and lamentable mission also surfaced: Clear the track of every FoMoCo product that came into my crosshairs.  First victim was Sky.  Blasting down Pilgrim’s Drop, I positioned to pass on Sky’s right and completely fluffed the maneuver.  Instead of clearing his RR corner cleanly, I piled into him heavily.  I was astonished to see that despite the healthy knerf, Sky held the car extremely well and it seemed to barely upset the GT40.  My Ferrari, too, seemed hardly bothered at all by it and I scooted by going low into Hawthorn.  PHEW!  Close one.  Little did I know that much more was to come.

Fester was next on my hit list and I caught him on L20.  He was going very well indeed in his GT40 and as Steve is an old mate from way back, I didn’t have the heart to shunt him off.  Instead, I let him off with a warning and glided by without contact.

Next in my sights was Sam in the Ford Mk4 model.  I closed in rapidly but Sam is wily and I figured not to just breeze by without having to work a bit.  L21 and coming off Bottom Bend and gassing it for the dash over to South Bank, I fully expected Sam to run to the right of centre of track on the setup for BB.  I intended to duck to the left and go low into BB and snatch P6.  Unfortunately, not having run laps behind Sam to make book on him, it would seem that in my observing several laps of the server replay cap that he doesn’t take this corner as I do and runs low in the entry with the car sliding wide mid-corner and then tucking it down for the exit.  I committed to that low pass and before I realized it, was closing in way too fast on the Mk4.  POW!  We’re both off with Sam getting the worst of it by far.  I dropped about six to seven seconds.  Sam about 10.  So sorry, Sam.  Made a complete balls up of that.

Once back on track, I carried on to try and chase down next man, King in the Mirage, running P5.  This was going to be a tall order as he was fully 18 seconds up the road.  Not much chance of catching him with only a dozen or so laps to run.  Still, you gotta try.

L23 and something of a break.  Good for me.  Bad for Axel.  On L22, from a solid P3, he’d clipped the markers on the inside of Paddock and spun.  The stoutness of these little critters was enough turn the handling of his Chaparral into junk forcing a reset later in the lap and the required pit-side Stop-n-Go at the end of the lap.  Back up to speed but now with a full load of fuel and cold tires, his speed was seriously compromised.  I was able to finish L23 just seven seconds down to him.  Hmmm...

L24 and the gap was down to just two seconds.  Cookie’s condition and traffic was playing into my hands.  Til I came across Jason, that is.  From about three lengths behind JB and in approaching Westfield, the big Ford swung in high and wide.  I tucked low to the kerb and looked to pass if Jason stayed up there.  From what I can make out from the replay cap, the Ford slid and pivoted off the nose to tighten up its arc.  From being well to the left of the centre of the roadway, his Mk4 pinched down towards the middle of the road closing off my path.  I slowed but not enough to avoid a collision.  In what has to be one of the more remarkable shunts caught on tape, Jason’s Ford flipped into the berm then, incredibly, righted itself to continue. Huh  To say the least, spectacular!  Surely, this one will make the highlight reel at the end of the season. Smiley

I dropped about five seconds in that adventure but I wasn’t thru with Jason just yet.  The very next lap and in closing again on his big Ford, he went in too deep at Druids and skated high and wide again.  In fact, he came within an ace of dropping off the road and spinning altogether.  I tucked my P4 down to the kerb...or at least tried to hold the car low...and as I was arcing thru, the sliding Ford caught a bite and came back down to the middle of the track.  Collision #2 with Jason.  He went off into the berm and luckily, this contact only cost me a handful of tenths.

Carrying on in P5, I started L27 about six seconds down to Axel.  It needs to be mentioned about here that Hristo had the misfortune of a slight mis-step on L25 in the compression of Dingle Dell to fall off the road and go over the berm while riding in a solid P2.  As he’d already had a reset(three, actually, by my count), he was done for the day.  Bad luck.  This promoted me to P5.

L28 and a phenomenally unlucky turn of events for King Hiro in a solid P3 five seconds up the road from Cookie.  A slide into Druids left him facing the berm with little option but to jockey his Mirage about til he could get it facing down track.  The cost was two positions with Cookie and I moving up.  Axel almost collected the Mirage and half-spun in avoidance with a significant loss of his advantage over me.  From being a comfy seven seconds up on me at the start of the lap, the gap was now down to just two.  It’s on for the podium! Smiley

Over the next several laps, I just gradually closed in on the Chaparral without getting too hyper.  I felt that there was enough time to get into position to challenge in the very last laps.  Comes L32 and I’m only down about 1/3 of a second.  Three laps to go.  I just know that I’m going to have to be on my best as I’m perfectly aware that the Chaparral is no slouch of a car and Cookie no pushover.  Mon Dieu!  Approaching Clearways on L32, I’m part dismayed/part delighted to see Axel’s Chaparral drift off onto the grass verge and slow.  A blown engine.  Groan...  No justice there after a fine and deserving drive.  Cookie would sink to a lowly P11.

Free and clear now with Juha miles up the road and Hiro some 20 seconds behind in P4, I just cruised in for the last several laps to a reasonably satisfying P3.

Some others had some notable drives.  Fester worked wonders in the GT40 with a terrific P5 finish.  Super job, Steve!  Sam nailed down P6 but it might have been P5 if I hadn’t punted him off the road at mid-distance.  Sorry again, SB.  Sky and Sergio did creditable jobs in their GT40's.  JonnyO showed the value of persistence in scooping P8 and Nigel endured the Mk4 to claim P10.  Pity that we lost Al so early in his Mk4.





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« Reply #25 on: July 11, 2012, 09:55:20 AM +0100 »

HER cars running P1 & P2.  Can’t be bad! Smiley

Not only that Doni - there was no traffic at all between you two and your teammate!  Roll Eyes

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« Reply #26 on: July 17, 2012, 03:25:57 PM +0100 »

Hristo made a wrong stop and go combined with his mandatory pitstop. During a lap, he made two resets and then he made a single pitstop with its wait time while...there is no trace of S&G corresponding to the reset he made. The rule says they cannot be combined. Please check it.
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« Reply #27 on: July 17, 2012, 05:55:27 PM +0100 »

Already spotted that  Wink and he was not alone Roll Eyes
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« Reply #28 on: July 17, 2012, 06:23:43 PM +0100 »

Hristo made a wrong stop and go combined with his mandatory pitstop. During a lap, he made two resets and then he made a single pitstop with its wait time while...there is no trace of S&G corresponding to the reset he made. The rule says they cannot be combined. Please check it.

I see you're on a mission to stain my name, Sergio. Makes you feel better to post it here than just file a report like is normally done? Since when do mods have to do you favors and check situations that nobody reported in? Why didn't you report it yourself but instead choose to post here? The rules (which you obviously love so much) say reports have to be filed for something to be examined outside lap 1, so please grow a spine and a brain, and learn how to race, before you dare judge me.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #29 on: July 17, 2012, 08:32:55 PM +0100 »

God has spoken !
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Sergio "Clouds" Lonzar

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Jack Swigert, April 13rd, 1970. Apollo 13 on the way to the moon.
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