UKGTL Season 12 The Fifties - AVUS - Sep 4

[Alex vV]

Thanks Alex for the advice concerning braking point at the end of the back straight - that
helped a lot.

Glad I could help.

Navin, bumpdrafting these beautiful Italian thorobreds.. tssssssk. It is no Nascar 

Congrats to Pelle for the win.

[Pelle_B]

Navin, bumpdrafting these beautiful Italian thorobreds.. tssssssk. It is no Nascar 

No, this is not Nascar, but called Team works 
Now when talking about NASCAR racing, many could have learned much if they had driven 'NASCAR Racing 2003 Season'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASCAR_Racing_2003_Season...a sim from Sierra like GPL, but a completely different tactics. 

Qual
It was purely by chance it was me who had the pole, it could also have been NRJ.
Navin thought like me, it was a simple copy setup from Monza, but no...it did not work at Avus. Did some totally crazy changes & it worked, but did not know if it was fast enough, had no time from you other.

Race
Perfect start (for our Team) I would like to see NRJ finish as number #1 & I hoped KS would switch to 5.7 so we could get a 1-2-3...but in almost every race, it never ends as you dream of 
Unfortunately, a little too early in the race, NRJ show...I'm waiting on the starting line & we take up the fight again. Alex is now in front & a fun KS, NRJ & me down to the orange man, NP KS...I saved it unscathed.
It gave Alex a little more edge - but when you have run Nascar & course is suitable - no problem for NRJ & me. It took maybe only 2 laps before we were up to Alex again...& we came like a train on rails, I must admit...it was hard to keep the car on track because I was laughing 
@NRJ: Too bad your car was very hurt, I did not know & understand nothing that you could run out of road when it went straight 
...& a 'Sry' for McRamsay, I did show after race & was suddenly gone in the opposite direction  (2 points)

Too bad there are not more in this series, but we had fun...& it's the most important thing.

Grats Alex & Ph  ...& to you who were with

[Navin R Johnson]

I was also able to join using either Jag with no probs.  

BTW The Jag had an update and a collision bug fix. Did you get both of them?

I got the collision fix in the right spot now But was not aware of another update for Jag? The link going to nogrip shows Jag 1.0 added in March 2012 which is the one I have so is there a separate update? Once I'm up to date I'll make sure Pelle gets the info because I think he had the same issue Cheers

[SpecialKS]

How my impressions have changed over the last months:
When these LM55 cars were released I thought that they would be boring and absolutely not my cup of tea,
because I had no relations to 50's racing.
Today I have to say that these cars are so much fun and absolutely sensational.
I'm firmly booked for next season.

I hope that we can get some more participants

Thank you Tony for organizing this series.

[Wiltshire Tony]

Your welcome Kurt. And next season this series moves to main stream Monday nights.

I just love the fact that these guys drove such fast powerfull cars, with no regard for safety, and with awful brakes and tyres that wore out really quickly.

Plus they look and sound amazing. Makes you wonder why no-one thought of creating a 50's mod years ago.

I will be asking for help promoting our GTL Season 13 elsewhere, later this year.

[Pelle_B]

I got the collision fix in the right spot now But was not aware of another update for Jag? The link going to nogrip shows Jag 1.0 added in March 2012 which is the one I have so is there a separate update? Once I'm up to date I'll make sure Pelle gets the info because I think he had the same issue Cheers

Finally we found the problem why I run into you, Thx...collision fix 

[Wiltshire Tony]

Jag Update http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=36155

[Pelle_B]

And next season this series moves to main stream Monday nights.

You have much praise for what you're doing, so I hope you can take some criticism...it is obviously meant as what can be done better next season 
Before a season begins in each series: All tracks & cars in a zip, finished 
It has been too often with problems that join server in this season 
...& avoid all the cars in the pack, we can't use for some reason. For example, now we can't use 5.7 more ?
I spend more time on problems here in UKGTL, than is being spent on a Altbierbude update, which never has problems...& with much more 
It is a proposal, but only intended to make it easier for all 

[Wiltshire Tony]

I was also able to join using either Jag with no probs.  

BTW The Jag had an update and a collision bug fix. Did you get both of them?

I got the collision fix in the right spot now But was not aware of another update for Jag? The link going to nogrip shows Jag 1.0 added in March 2012 which is the one I have so is there a separate update? Once I'm up to date I'll make sure Pelle gets the info because I think he had the same issue Cheers

Navin, not all your fault. It seems that I had not updated the download links in the race announcement (and I still need to do this for future races too) so you may have inadvertantly taken an older version?

Hopefully we can sort this before next Tuesday (Sept 18th).

[Wiltshire Tony]

And next season this series moves to main stream Monday nights.

You have much praise for what you're doing, so I hope you can take some criticism...it is obviously meant as what can be done better next season  
Before a season begins in each series: All tracks & cars in a zip, finished  
It has been too often with problems that join server in this season  
...& avoid all the cars in the pack, we can't use for some reason. For example, now we can't use 5.7 more ?
I spend more time on problems here in UKGTL, than is being spent on a Altbierbude update, which never has problems...& with much more  
It is a proposal, but only intended to make it easier for all  

Happy to read ideas/feedback from you guys...........

The current Tuesday night Fifties series was produced quickly and unofficially as a response to the newly released 50's LM car mods that arrived unannounced at Nogrip. What was originally just a short season has been extended due to the interest shown. The tracks were provided when necessary from outside sites as I didn't want to burden Dave (my Boss) with the task of producing installers for the tracks if the series died early. Likewise with the cars, however he did create installers for those after the season start which was good of him. Then we had the inevitable updates/patches which you usually get with popular mods as more people drive them and feedback comments to the mod creator. I have tried to keep abreast of these but I will be the first to admit, not as successfully as I would have hoped for.

As the next Fifties series will be "Official" and on Monday nights the tracks will all be available in installers as will the Cars (with all the latest patches included). We will not be producing track or car packs.

I am sorry that your experience here has not been as pleasant as that at Altbierbude. But here is only me and I suspect Altbierbude have a team of Admins. We always endeavor to provide as streamline service as possible but this effort is all done free of charge and in our own time so we have to strike a balance of what we can achieve in the time available.

I understand your frustration at not being able to drive the fastest car in every round of the series. The reason why we impose restrictions is simple. It makes you choose another car to drive. If we did not create limits to car use we may just as well provide only the very fastest car for the whole series as that would be the only one that drivers would choose.

I can tell you now that restrictions on car use will be applied in Series 13. However the exact format is still being pondered. Most likely will be a maximum no.of drives per car limit.

WT

[Pelle_B]

The current Tuesday night Fifties series was produced quickly and unofficially as a response to the newly released 50's LM car mods that arrived unannounced at Nogrip.

This I fully understand, but a new mod & make the series of 18 race...maybe a 'little' too much. My belief is that a series of 8 race is fine, because. There is always someone who falls from & field becomes smaller. No or few will come to the series, & too little interest because no chance to be champ.

installers

I would rather do without, a large zip with everything put into the 'GameData' folder...unzip to your GTL folder, ready to join server.

I am sorry that your experience here has not been as pleasant as that at Altbierbude.

Compared UKGTL vs. Altbierbude: My UKGTL installation takes up 12.1GB against 43.8GB (including replays)...so here are many tracks & cars I never get to try  , but you can send your own carskin to Altbierbude & when it gets approved...you can drive in your own car, one thing I miss here in UKGTL. Here we download a skin package I rarely see being used 

I understand your frustration at not being able to drive the fastest car in every round of the series.

It's not about for me driving the fastest car...but the one I like. When you buy GTL, you must implement some race & win to get better (faster) cars
...but here you get worse 
Why should people who practice & spend time building setups & learning tracks to know, downgraded with a car they might not like...fair ?
When the season is over...the result is still the same & everyone is happy 

[Wiltshire Tony]

We have no intention or desire to change the way that we provide tracks, cars or skins.

As the interest in GTL has diminished over the years we have, we believe, produced a simple delivery method which no-one has ever considered commenting about before. Any car skin packs used today were produced when GTL had a bigger following here and more teams competed hence we had skin submission, testing and approval systems in place. This is no longer considered relevant and not something we intend to spend our free time persuing. The add-on skins packs used today are included as they were created in the past and do not consume anyones free time in providing. I will review their use for Season 13 and decide whether they warrant further inclusion.

I have removed car restrictions for all future races in the current Fifties series so everyone is free to drive what they like. This will prove my point that the majority of cars offered will not be used.

[Pelle_B]

I'm a little sad that there are no other suggestions/criticisms to make it better, but maybe we're just a little more complaining heads here in Denmark & love discussions 
...or is it because everyone agrees what I say. All are welcome to join criticism of my suggestions.

[Alex vV]

Ok, my 2 cents:

- I do not have any issues downloading mods/upgrades from NoGrip. No complaints here.
- Perhaps the status of the series being experimental wasn't clear to everybody. Then again, is it that important?
- I like to drive the different cars available. So not everybody will take he same cars. Also different tracks will need different cars.
- My thanks to Tony for sticking out his head to organise these series in such short notice. Hope we can attract some more drivers for the oncoming races... spread the word!

[Wiltshire Tony]

Hope we can attract some more drivers for the oncoming races... spread the word!

Most important point off all