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September 21, 2012, 09:37:17 PM +0100 - Silverstone (GP 1952-73) - UKGPL Season 23 (2012) Formula 2 Trophy
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
francesco
 Antipasti Racing
Matra MS5 GPL F2 2 +0.338
115.334mph
1 41:47.683
113.465mph
27 1:31.623
115.018mph
Dunlop  
bernie
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Matra MS7 GPL F2 6 +1.073
114.414mph
2 +8.077
113.101mph
27 1:32.208
114.289mph
Dunlop  
dave curtis
 Black Night Racing
Lola T100 (FVA) GPL F2 8 +1.550
113.825mph
3 +17.258
112.690mph
27 1:32.259
114.226mph
Firestone  
Rainier
 Black Night Racing
Cooper T84 GPL F2 3 +0.617
114.983mph
4 +25.372
112.329mph
27 1:31.660
114.972mph
Dunlop  
Johnny.P
 
Lola T100 (BMW) GPL F2 5 +0.773
114.788mph
5 +1:20.032
109.956mph
27 1:32.168
114.338mph
Dunlop  
Billy Nobrakes
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT23 GPL F2 7 +1.221
114.231mph
6 +1:20.567
109.933mph
27 1:32.814
113.543mph
Goodyear  
Geoff65
 Clark-Hill Racing
McLaren M4A GPL F2 4 +0.759
114.805mph
7 +1:29.516
109.555mph
27 1:31.853
114.730mph
Goodyear  
Phil Thornton
 Antipasti Racing
Brabham BT14 GPL F2 9 +3.416
111.576mph
8 (+1) +1:32.682
109.421mph
27 1:33.831
112.312mph
Dunlop  
roguk
 Clark-Hill Racing
Ferrari 166 GPL F2 11 +4.688
110.093mph
9 +1L
106.749mph
26 1:34.420
111.611mph
Firestone  
vosblod
 Clark-Hill Racing
Matra MS7 GPL F2 1 1:31.034
115.763mph
10 +4L
114.216mph
23 1:31.541
115.122mph
Disco
Dunlop  
BadBlood
 HikiWazaRacing
Matra MS5 GPL F2 10 +4.264
110.583mph
11 +18L
100.975mph
9 1:34.314
111.737mph
Disco
Dunlop  
UKGPL 3
 
Lola T100 (FVA) GPL F2 12 12 DNS ---
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Firestone  

Moderator's Report

Clean Red Zone. Well done Heavies!


Server replay time: 0h17m16s

Phil tucks in behind Billy and despite the fact that they brake at almost exactly the same point the tow give Phil a boost and he clips Billy as he passes inside.

Whilst it is clear that Phil doesn't intend to hit Billy and makes strenuous efforts to avoid him he hasn't accounted for the tow.


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Rog UK he pulls into the pits, sits there until 19.27 & takes a Shift R. He doesn't take a further SnG. Technically this is an incorrect SnG but Rog has already been static for half a minute & any futrher penalty would seem harsh.


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Vos is coming up to lap Phil on the straight bewteen Copse & Maggots. Phil holds left to allow room. Vos assumes Phil will slow & takes a normal line into the corner. Seeing Vos is still behind Phil takes the corner & the cars collide. Phil is unharmed but Vos retires from P1 - although he could have continued.
Lapped cars should allow the faster cars clearance but this one seems a genuine misunderstanding

This was just a bit unfortunate.

September 21, 2012, 09:37:23 PM +0100 - Silverstone (GP 1952-73) - UKGPL Season 23 (2012) Formula 2 Trophy
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
MagicArsouille
 
Matra MS7 GPL F2 2 +0.730
117.672mph
1 40:45.957
116.324mph
27 1:29.574
117.645mph
Dunlop  
tom_g
 Ecurie Makika's
Matra MS7 GPL F2 1 1:28.823
118.639mph
2 +0.828
116.285mph
27 1:28.529
119.033mph
Dunlop  
G Jonsson
 Black Night Racing
Matra MS7 GPL F2 3 +1.535
116.624mph
3 +34.858
114.690mph
27 1:30.360
116.621mph
Dunlop  
Hristo Itchov
 HikiWazaRacing
Ferrari 166 GPL F2 8 +3.478
114.169mph
4 +44.924
114.226mph
27 1:30.214
116.810mph
Firestone  
Arf Arf Arf
 
Matra MS7 GPL F2 7 +2.169
115.811mph
5 +55.632
113.737mph
27 1:30.470
116.480mph
Dunlop  
natan5
 NVRacing
McLaren M4A GPL F2 6 +2.167
115.814mph
7 (+2) +1:13.453
112.933mph
27 1:31.301
115.419mph
Goodyear  
Cookie
 Antipasti Racing
Matra MS7 GPL F2 4 +1.665
116.456mph
8 +27L
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0 ---
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Disco
Dunlop  
Hristo Itchov
 HikiWazaRacing
Brabham BT14 GPL F2 9 +9.705
106.953mph
9 DNS ---
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Dunlop  
2 UKGPL_T7
 
Brabham BT23 GPL F2 10 10 ---
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Goodyear  
EvilClive
 HikiWazaRacing
Lola T100 (BMW) GPL F2 5 +1.769
116.323mph
Excluded +0L
113.702mph
27 1:29.855
117.277mph
Dunlop  

Moderator's Report

Clean Red Zone - well clean after Copse!


Server replay time: 0h00m01s

Firstly, a breach of the regs that not that many of us will be familair with. Hristo tried out the BT14, discovered it was an abolute dog & changed it for a Ferrari. Remember "A dog is not just for Christmas its for the whole race". To be clear if you start with one chassis you must stick with it for the race.


Server replay time: 0h00m02s

A rather more serious breach of the rules. Evil Clive was restricted to a handicap chassis but used the wrong car. Unfortnately we have to apply an exclsuion.


Server replay time: 0h00m53s

Natan passes Cookie then drifts over to the right. Natan then brakes - very early for the corner & this catches out Cookie who has no place to go. Evil is an unfortunate victim of the incident.
The nearest rule is "On a straight, the overtaking car moves out to overtake but cuts back in too early. Penalty for overtaking driver."
1 Penalty + 1 for Red Zone.

SimRacing.org.uk Lap Records
Grand Prix Legends
GPL F2
1:28.823
118.631mph
tom_g
Qualifying
Matra MS7September 21, 2012, 09:37:23 PM +0100
S23F2
Grand Prix Legends
GPL F2
1:28.529
119.025mph
tom_g
Race
Matra MS7September 21, 2012, 09:37:23 PM +0100
S23F2
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« Reply #15 on: September 22, 2012, 09:13:54 PM +0100 »

Well, that turned out to be more interesting than I expected it to be!
Late in, so only time for a couple of qually laps;  but luckily I've been to this track before Smiley

I had a cunning plan as I picked the same chassis (again) as UKGPL3  - surely the server knows best, right?!  I assumed UKGPL3 would also be running default, so another cunning plan there then Smiley

For me, a good start.  Followed with no contact/near misses  ("nearly missed him!")  & others dropping back/out.

Billy/Phil/Dave R seemed to be keeping each other busy a little way behind for quite a while.

In the later stages,  I really was being hunted down by professional teamie Dave R.  I was sure it was a 600+ yard gap;  but he was reeling me in at a fantastic rate.  He'd have got me on the last couple of corners/straights too had it not have been for the slight spin.  Unlucky fella!

Compared to others, my pace was nothing special. But,  I'm well satisfied with the overall consistency.

So I've provisionally got a 2nd podium in my time here.  Well chuffed at that!  Yes,  was due to misfortune elsewhere in the field (particularly up front);  but that is what spices up this stuff even more and gives us usual back-runners hope!

Looks like the rest of the season is on brand new tracks;  so I'd better get them installed & some time in...
 
Anyway, as ever - cheers for the run.
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« Reply #16 on: September 22, 2012, 09:22:14 PM +0100 »

The Cooper was not so bad in Silverstone
It certainly seemed better than the BT14.  In hindsight I should have taken it, it was an option for me.

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I finished 4th which is a good result as RogUK and Phil were far behind !
Yes we were LOL.  There was no way we could do anything with the BT14 or Ferrari on a power circuit like Silverstone.

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And now I am the new leader of HEAVY Championship.
So I will have to drive the Ferrari (or the BT14, but I don't think it will be my choice) on the Bugatti track in Le Mans ...so it will be difficult to stay championship leader when leaving Le Mans ! 
It will be a nice challenge.
That's the spirit David.  You'll need to stay positive when everyone drives away from you Wink

On a serious point I've been looking at the race schedule.  The last round is at Hockenheim which will be a serious disadvantage for the championship leader which could be a problem because there is a minor flaw in the handicapping system.  Because we drop the lowest 2 scores at the end of the season, the person at the top of the championship might not be the true leader.  The handicapping system tends to favour drivers with lots of wins and a couple of no shows (i.e 2 zero scoring rounds) rather than a driver with 10 good points scoring finishes.  So it is entirely possible for someone to be leading the championship after round 9 (when the points calculation only drops 1 score) but be in a weaker position than the person in second place. 

For example consider these scores:

Driver A  43, 43, 43, 43, 43, 43, 43, 50, 50    Total after 9 races 358 (1 dropped score of 43)
Driver B  50, 50, 50, 50, 50, 50, 50,  0,  0    Total after 9 races 350 (1 dropped score of zero)

Driver A has to take the slow car at Hockenheim but clearly Driver B is the faster man. 

Obviously Driver B deserves to win the title but Driver A should be given a fighting chance.  However with the BT14 or Ferrari at Hockenheim it would be hopeless.  It would probably be better to bring the Hockenheim round forward and make the last round a twisty track where the BT14 and Ferrari could be a little more competitive.  That way the season finale wouldn't be so one sided.

I'd be interested to know what the Lights drivers think.  Especially Hristo who didn't start the Silverstone race.  Why was that? Was it because you were so far off the pace in the BT14 and decided it wasn't worth the effort or was there another reason?
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« Reply #17 on: September 22, 2012, 09:32:32 PM +0100 »

Result - very mediocre but an entertaining race nevertheless.
For the first few laps I followed Dave C until I missed the apex at Abbey.
About midrace I was really rather sorry for Phil. I passed him on three separate occasions as his BT14 proved to be the car to not to have on this circuit.
A stop & go had put me near the back & as the race entered its closing stages I was in danger of a) getting lapped by the leader & b) being caught by the flying  Johnny. On the last lap Geoffs car took a massive spin, I eased off the pedal to work out which side was best to pass & Johnny nipped past. Similar to the 65's at Spa but with positions reversed.
Bad luck to Vos who should have won but well done to Fran who did.
The pack has been reshuffled with Dave Rainier topping the table going into his "home" race in France - but he has the handicap of the slower car.
The handicapping is certainly making the championship interesting.
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« Reply #18 on: September 23, 2012, 04:03:19 PM +0100 »


I'd be interested to know what the Lights drivers think.  Especially Hristo who didn't start the Silverstone race.  Why was that? Was it because you were so far off the pace in the BT14 and decided it wasn't worth the effort or was there another reason?


I did start at Silverstone, but switched from the extremely slow BT14 to the quite slow Ferrari. IMO some cars should simply be dropped from the handicap because it's just too much of a gap between them and the other cars. It's not a handicap, it's completely taking away any chances from whoever is driving it. And Silverstone isn't even a very fast track... so please, consider that. It's almost like handicapping a driver to a 2L car amongst 3L in 66s.
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« Reply #19 on: September 23, 2012, 06:29:25 PM +0100 »

Looks like you agree that the BT14 is just too slow.  I don't think we can change the rules at this stage, anyway nobody HAS to take the BT14.  The championship leader still has the option of the Ferrari.  It was my own stupid fault for taking the BT14; I could have used the Ferrari or the Cooper.

What we could do is move the Hockenheim round.  Whoever has to take the Ferrari there will be at a serious disadvantage.  It would make the end of the season an anticlimax for the championship leader if we ran the last round at Hockenheim.
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« Reply #20 on: September 23, 2012, 08:41:07 PM +0100 »

Could not the CL "BUY" a car for the Hockie round , the price to be paid in No. of points (TBA) deducted from his final tally  Huh

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Stupid one at that  Roll Eyes

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« Reply #21 on: September 23, 2012, 09:54:20 PM +0100 »

The mod team always maintained that the Ferrari was slow but that the others were relatively well matched.
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« Reply #22 on: September 23, 2012, 10:17:06 PM +0100 »

Thanks for your various comments.
This is the first season we have run F2's so the effect of the handicap system was a bit of an unkown quantity. The idea of the handicap is to even up the competition - but this should be proportionate & the BT14 & Ferrari did look very outclassed at Silverstone.
Let me have a think about whether we can make some minor changes.
Similarly I don't have any objections to changing the running order by swapping Hockenheim to Round 9 & finishing at Jops.
I think GPL has been successful over the years because the league has been run consistently within its rules - but the main attraction is to go racing & have some fun. If the rules are getting in the way then a change would be the right thing to do.
 
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« Reply #23 on: September 23, 2012, 10:44:08 PM +0100 »

The mod team always maintained that the Ferrari was slow but that the others were relatively well matched.

Its acceleration and top speed are much much lower than other cars. It handles OK, but with most tracks we run, engine power is much more important. The BT14 is obviously even slower, but I don't think it is by much. I'm not sure I'd enjoy trundling around another time in either of the two cars, it's a complete motivation killer and it shuffles the championship too much IMO. It's not even comparable to when I was in BT7, lol.
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« Reply #24 on: September 24, 2012, 10:51:19 AM +0100 »

Hello

Nice and very fun race with my friend Tristan Smiley

A lot of laught duing the race especially at the end ! Grin


See you in other F2 race if I have time.

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« Reply #25 on: October 18, 2012, 12:29:25 AM +0100 »

Moderation now published.
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« Reply #26 on: October 19, 2012, 07:40:20 PM +0100 »

Thanks Bill
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« Reply #27 on: October 22, 2012, 10:09:39 PM +0100 »

A couple of important additions to the mod report for the Lights!
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« Reply #28 on: October 22, 2012, 11:08:01 PM +0100 »

I wasn't aware of that regulation. The only reason I switched chassis during Qualifying is because I had no time to practice prior to the race. I've also never driven either of those slow cars, so I never expected that Brabham would be so much slower than anything else, lol. Will know for the future though.
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