P&G 3 now out

[Manteos]

Did a few laps online at "GC PnG V3 PUB"- server over at gamerscrip yesterday
(SimBin lobby) - seems to work fine.

Thanks for that, joined just in time, race by time I'd loaded my Beemer setup.  All OK except for driver too enthusiastic on cold tyres, passed 2 ltr car then went off at the next turn.

My Monza post was for drive at about mid day - couldn't find a public server that was ready to go on.

Saw you online over there yesterday with 16 other guys but was unable to join 
Did some laps alone at the Driving Italia server at Monza yesterday too.

Another problem for me concerning P&G V3 seems to be my old Nvidia 9600 GT which obviously seems to come
to it's limits - I have to reduce to DX7 for a reliable operating of P&G V3, with DX8 I get CTD's sometimes when
starting the game, sometimes it works 

But in the end, P&G V3 for me is a new dimension in simracing.
Looking forward to next season 

Unfortunately with dx 7 and 8, P&G ctd happens more often than usual. During the first day of test, we discovered the Escort RS 1600 Team Castrol doesn't work at all with the dx 8, the game will always ctd if you choose that skin combined with dx 8. I experienced the same issue when someone is in the server with Capris 3100. If i take the same car, when I'm running the game with dx 8, I can't join the server at all.

[SpecialKS]

Thanks for your answer, Manteos 

learned that you're a member of GTL Workshop when reading the credits
or at least involved in the making of P&G V3. Was unaware about that.
Great work!

I know that these kind of problems are already listed in the "buglist" at NoGrip,
but wasn't aware that this is the reason for the CTDs when going online.
Will there be a kind of solution in a - let's say - V 3.1 or is buying a new
graphics card the only way of solve these kind of things?

Saturday night I was able to run some laps online at Spa - at that time no
probs going online with DX7 or DX8 (don't know which setting I had back then).

[Wiltshire Tony]

Buy a new graphics card.

[FullMetalGasket]

My mate is getting booted (as a cheat) every time he tries to join any PnG V3 server.
It's a fresh install. Has anyone (Manteos? ) had this issue before? Anyone any idea's?

On the subject of the mod though we're both in agreement that it's brilliant. I had my first go in a Jag Mk2 last night and got tired I was putting so much opposite lock on every corner 

[Wiltshire Tony]

Maybe he's a cheat?

[Manteos]

Thanks for your answer, Manteos 

learned that you're a member of GTL Workshop when reading the credits
or at least involved in the making of P&G V3. Was unaware about that.
Great work!

I know that these kind of problems are already listed in the "buglist" at NoGrip,
but wasn't aware that this is the reason for the CTDs when going online.
Will there be a kind of solution in a - let's say - V 3.1 or is buying a new
graphics card the only way of solve these kind of things?

Saturday night I was able to run some laps online at Spa - at that time no
probs going online with DX7 or DX8 (don't know which setting I had back then).

No mate. I'm not part of the GTLW Team. I just had the chance to test the final physics release of the v3 since September 2011, cause we've done an italian beta testers P&G 3 champ during the last year, to do a debug regarding the online stability of the game with more than 20 people in the server. A lot of beta testers are not mentioned in P&G credits, cause they were simply too much to be mentioned .
Talking about the dx, I strongly suggest to everybody to set the dx 9 in the GTR2 Config, to avoid repeated crash of the game, especially when a lot of of people join the server changing cars so frequently... 2 days ago I was in a public server with Azrim and ducFreak (2 of the P&G fathers), and we discovered the Escort bug about the Team Castrol skin. I guess it won't be the only issue they will found in the mod, but they will surely work to adjust the greatest amount of bugs that users will found, and hopefully they will add a couple of cars to the mod soon.
By the way, if you can afford to buy a new graphic card, it will be surely helpful to exploit the P&G in a better way

[Manteos]

My mate is getting booted (as a cheat) every time he tries to join any PnG V3 server.
It's a fresh install. Has anyone (Manteos? ) had this issue before? Anyone any idea's?

On the subject of the mod though we're both in agreement that it's brilliant. I had my first go in a Jag Mk2 last night and got tired I was putting so much opposite lock on every corner  

It's a bit vague, but I'll try to give some solutions.

1) Does he runs the P&G3 by the launcher ("PnG.exe" in the main folder of P&G)? If yes, did he patched his player profile by clicking on "player" button?

2) Do your friend use the right "GTR2.exe" file that is included in the "GTR2 NO-CDs.rar"? If he use Win 7, and he got + than 2 GB RAM, he should use the "GTR2.exe" included in the "+2GB RAM NO-CD" folder. For older OS, or less than 2 GB RAM he should use the "ORIGINAL NO-CD".

3) Does he tried to switch to dx9, and see if the problem still stand?

4) If he use Win 7, does he run the "GTR2.exe", the "GTR2 Config2", and the "PnG.exe" as administrator? If he just runs these files as an administrator, try to make the opposite, un-ticking the box "Run as administrator"

Try to see if something change applying one of these solutions. If nothing changes, I strongly suggest to do another fresh installation of GTR2 1.0. You don't need to re-install GTR2 Patch 1.1 and Lobby patch, cause they're included in the P&G installation files.

[FullMetalGasket]

Cheers - I'll point him at this 

Didn't knoe about the different GTR2.exe's for differing RAM levels - will go and edit my own copy accordingly 

On a random subject is it worth installing the horns and addons included or will they affect joining servers etc?

[Manteos]

On a random subject is it worth installing the horns and addons included or will they affect joining servers etc?

I didn't, but they shouldn't create prolems of mismatch online, If in you... I would avoid anyway

[BillThomas]

Capri RS 3100 24V is awesome, in 4 laps got a 1:17.8 at Donnington Nat.  One thing I don't understand, I know I'm not the leagues best driver but how come some cars eg CSLs and Capri RS go "straight out of the box" whereas, Mustangs, Falcons and Chevies I just can't get to go at all consistently.  Spent a lot of time on Falcon but couldn't get it to turn in, it just continues to understeer off track or spin off the kerbs?  Used sliders, and ignored them and tried my own setups but all to no avail.  Any advice? 

[Manteos]

Yesterday I forgot another possible cause of mismatches FMG. If your friend copied his GTR2 Locations folder entirely into the P&G Locations folder, he will be always booted as a possible cheat, cause in the P&G locations folder there is a file "specialfx.tec", that is different by the original GTR2 "specialfx.tec". This file has the purpose to reduce the stickiness of gravel traps that affects all tracks.

I strongly recommend to everyone to avoid the Locations folder overwriting procedure, or you'll be booted as a possible cheat. Just install every track singly and do not overwrite the original tracks. they have their own LOD file, that is different by the original.

I will be off for the next week, so for every problem you will find, go to see if someone experienced the same in the thread opened at nogrip to report the P&G v3 bugs, or report a new bug from yourselves! All the  solutions I suggested before to FMG, were taken directly by the GTLW guys answers.

This is the link at the thread on nogrip entriely dedicated to the P&G. GTLW modders will answer to you kindly, if they have a solution. I suggest to read the entire topic dedicated to the bugs, and if someone just asked for the same issues you're looking for.

Found a bug in P&G3? Report it here => http://www.nogripracing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=301426

[Manteos]

Capri RS 3100 24V is awesome, in 4 laps got a 1:17.8 at Donnington Nat.   One thing I don't understand, I know I'm not the leagues best driver but how come some cars eg CSLs and Capri RS go "straight out of the box" whereas, Mustangs, Falcons and Chevies I just can't get to go at all consistently.   Spent a lot of time on Falcon but couldn't get it to turn in, it just continues to understeer off track or spin off the kerbs?   Used sliders, and ignored them and tried my own setups but all to no avail.   Any advice?  

Bill, first of all it should be clear that Capris are really different by the American V8 tanks. It's quite normal that you feel them with a lot of undesteer, especially after you drove a good handling car like Capri.

Capris, BMW, Escorts and most of the 70's cars, are quite modern cars. They have a better grip on tyres, a better weight distribution, better brakes, 5 gears... You should try to reset your mind when you're driving a huge V8. First of all, you have to check your steer lock in game. An higer steer lock, will surely reduce the sensation of understeer when you're trying to turn into the corner, but you'll need an higher precision on the wheel (and throttle) when accelerating to exit from the corner.
Mustang, Falcons, Chevies got a worse cornering speed, and you'll need to turn your car in at a slower speed than a Capri, BMW, Porsche, Escort and so on... You'll need aswell to brake a lot earlier than these cars when you're driving a V8.
Harder springs will surely be helpful to have a better turn in at a corner, but you'll need to find a compromise. Harder front springs helps a lot in turning in, but that will increase the understeer decreasing your cornering speed. Harder back springs, will surely help you to turn in the car, but you'll fight with power oversteering when pushing on the throttle. Remember that in the V3, you need to be carefully about the use of throttle. Never use it just on/off, cause you won't be able to do more than 2 corners in row especially with the big tanks. Sometimes you'll need only 40%- 50% max of throttle to let the car move its tail to exit from a corner, and sometimes, even pushing it only 10% more than needed, can cause a huge oversteer and an almost sure spin.
Another key-factor are the anti-roll bar. An higher front-bar, will help you to turn in, but will penalise you with understeer during the corner. An higher rear anti-roll bar, will have the same effect for the turn in, but you'll find the car oveersteering when you'll put your right foot on the throttle.
Last thing are the brakings. It's really easy to lock the brakes in P&G. You need to check the brakes temperature by the xd, and adjust (if the car lets you) the brake bias and duct. When brakes are near to 700° celsius, they're working at their limit, and if you follow to push on your brake pedal, they will overheat, and your car won't stop for sure. Especially with the V8, you need to do a "safe" braking. Is better to brake a bit earlier than later. If you are with locked tyres, and you try to turn the car in, it will be impossible for you. You need to lift up the brake pedal, to let the car turning in, or you'll be always long and wide, losing the optimal track lines.
 

[FullMetalGasket]

Yesterday I forgot another possible cause of mismatches FMG. If your friend copied his GTR2 Locations folder entirely into the P&G Locations folder, he will be always booted as a possible cheat, cause in the P&G locations folder there is a file "specialfx.tec", that is different by the original GTR2 "specialfx.tec". This file has the purpose to reduce the stickiness of gravel traps that affects all tracks.

I'll bet a packet of Rolos that's exactly what He's done 
I take it I can send him mine so he can fix this problem?

[Manteos]

Yesterday I forgot another possible cause of mismatches FMG. If your friend copied his GTR2 Locations folder entirely into the P&G Locations folder, he will be always booted as a possible cheat, cause in the P&G locations folder there is a file "specialfx.tec", that is different by the original GTR2 "specialfx.tec". This file has the purpose to reduce the stickiness of gravel traps that affects all tracks.

I'll bet a packet of Rolos that's exactly what He's done 
I take it I can send him mine so he can fix this problem?

You could send him just the "specialfx.tec", and see if the proplem persist. Then, if you look inside the P&G Locations folder, you'll find all the tweaked .gdb and track files of all the original GTR2 track pack. Even if the LOD files are not included in these 2 .rar files, he should be able to join every server without any issue.

I hope to have been clear. Now I have to go. A plane to Mombasa is waiting for me

Cu the 11th of Nov. For every problem, just ask in the thread I mentioned a couple of posts before at nogrip.

Bye

[SpecialKS]

Thxs for all your help, Manteos.

I think I found a way for me: seems that I'm able to join online
(some minutes ago with 26 (!) others at the GC PUB server) after
changing the setting of my graphics card to 16bit and using it with DX9.

:-)