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November 09, 2012, 09:36:39 PM +0000 - Hockenheim (1965-2001) - UKGPL Season 23 (2012) Formula 2 Trophy
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
JonnyO
 Team Coyote
McLaren M4A GPL F2 1 2:00.870
126.191mph
1 40:26.716
125.707mph
20 2:00.486
126.594mph
Goodyear  
Phil Thornton
 Antipasti Racing
Lotus 48 GPL F2 3 +0.639
125.528mph
2 +19.573
124.701mph
20 2:00.821
126.243mph
Firestone  
dave curtis
 Black Night Racing
Lola T100 (FVA) GPL F2 6 +1.902
124.237mph
3 +20.814
124.638mph
20 2:00.476
126.604mph
Firestone  
Rainier
 Black Night Racing
Lotus 48 GPL F2 4 +0.969
125.188mph
4 +21.187
124.619mph
20 2:00.535
126.542mph
Firestone  
Billy Nobrakes
 Black Night Racing
Lotus 48 GPL F2 7 +2.358
123.777mph
5 +1:01.913
122.580mph
20 2:01.579
125.456mph
Firestone  
Johnny.P
 
Lola T100 (BMW) GPL F2 5 +1.377
124.770mph
6 +1:02.086
122.571mph
20 2:01.066
125.987mph
Dunlop  
francesco
 Antipasti Racing
Lotus 48 GPL F2 8 +2.867
123.268mph
7 +1L
118.575mph
19 2:04.422
122.589mph
Firestone  
BadBlood
 HikiWazaRacing
Lotus 48 GPL F2 9 +3.328
122.810mph
8 +16L
112.785mph
4 2:05.435
121.599mph
Disco
Firestone  
bernie
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Matra MS7 GPL F2 2 +0.539
125.631mph
9 +18L
120.897mph
2 2:03.032
123.974mph
Disco
Dunlop  
UKGPL 3
 
Lola T100 (FVA) GPL F2 10 10 DNS ---
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Firestone  

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Good clean race - no incidents.

November 09, 2012, 09:37:22 PM +0000 - Hockenheim (1965-2001) - UKGPL Season 23 (2012) Formula 2 Trophy
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Al Heller
 Clark-Hill Racing
Matra MS7 GPL F2 3 +0.398
127.063mph
1 40:23.592
125.831mph
20 1:59.751
127.332mph
Dunlop  
G Jonsson
 Black Night Racing
Matra MS7 GPL F2 1 1:59.607
127.485mph
2 +0.427
125.809mph
20 1:59.827
127.251mph
Dunlop  
EvilClive
 HikiWazaRacing
Lotus 48 GPL F2 6 +1.213
126.206mph
3 +7.925
125.421mph
20 1:58.926
128.215mph
Firestone  
natan5
 NVRacing
Lotus 48 GPL F2 5 +1.086
126.338mph
4 +28.165
124.385mph
20 2:00.944
126.076mph
Firestone  
Hristo Itchov
 HikiWazaRacing
Ferrari 166 GPL F2 4 +0.645
126.802mph
5 +55.077
123.035mph
20 1:59.735
127.349mph
Firestone  
Cookie
 Antipasti Racing
Protos 16 (FVA) GPL F2 2 +0.136
127.341mph
6 +7L
124.727mph
13 1:59.985
127.084mph
Disco
Firestone  
2 UKGPL_T7
 
Brabham BT23 GPL F2 7 7 DNS ---
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Goodyear  

Moderator's Report

No incidents in the Lap 1 red zone.


Server replay time: 0h04m51s

Lap 2, final corner into the pit straight. Natan is slightly ahead, Hristo takes an outside line for the pass. He achieves minor overlap at the point of contact. Hristo is in his blind spot throughout the turn & Natan appears to take a fairly normal line exiting the corner. Contested side by side impact ~ racing incident.

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« Reply #15 on: November 10, 2012, 11:01:57 AM +0000 »

...... after he (Dave Curtis) spun at the entry of the stadium, Dave was somethink like 5 or 6 seconds behind us ...but he could rejoin after only 2 laps ! Then strangely, he could not overtake you !
I am sure Dave would have been able to fight with JonnyO, that was not possible for our Lotus 48.
It was a very tactical race.  JonnyO proved that once the faster car was ahead it would just pull away.  Our only chance of beating Dave Curtis was to keep him behind.  I was a bit quicker in the stadium section which allowed me to build enough of an advantage to stay ahead of him down to the Ostkurve.  Then I almost always drove down the right hand side of the track back to the stadium section (no weaving to break the tow and no changing direction down the straight to block so it was a completely legal tactic) which meant that Dave would always have to go the long way round on the outside at the first right hander (don't know the name) into the stadium.  He tried it a couple of times (lap 7 and lap 12) but each time he went wide and spun.  But as you say he was much quicker in clear air so caught us up pretty quickly.  The last lap was the toughest, if you check the replay I was locking all 4 wheels and absolutely on the limit in order to keep Dave behind.  After such a clean exciting race I would have been very disappointed if my race had ended there!

A couple of times we were side by side down the long straights with Dave and James desperate to get past.  A Lotus road block LOL.

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As you wrote, you have now 262 real points, me only 225 (274-49) and Dave 206 (225-19), so if you don't miss one of the two last races, you should easily win !
If you win both races the maximum you can score is 325.  If Dave wins both races the maximum he can score is 306.  So "all" I need to do is score 64 points to secure the championship.  That is easier said than done with a chassis disadvantage but I must admit I am in a strong position. 
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« Reply #16 on: November 10, 2012, 11:08:01 AM +0000 »

I almost forgot, I checked the server replay to try to find out what caused the bad warp around lap 12.  From both your car and mine the warp looks similar so that might mean it was a server issue?  Curiously my copy of GPL crashed when I tried to play the server replay past lap 12 Huh
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« Reply #17 on: November 10, 2012, 01:18:42 PM +0000 »

64 points to secure the championship is just to be 4th the two times. As you already won 4 times (only 1 for Dave, Francesco, Jonny and me) and missed 2 races, it should not be difficult and you fully deserve to win the F2championship .
Moreover with only 8 or 9 cars at the start.
yesterday, we were 9 and the "lights" were 6. Only one server (like in the historic 66 series) would have been great.

It's exactly the opposite on mod67 Privateers, we were 19 and maybe for the next race some of us will not be able to participate  Sad 
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« Reply #18 on: November 10, 2012, 02:24:56 PM +0000 »

 I thought there was something wrong with my in Qualy time Shocked maybe one warp?

  Actually not quite understand why my car was so fast  Cool
  I think the mclaren should be strong at this track  Wink impressive as it was easy to brake and curves thumbup1

 but I could not explain why, downright !

 thank you
 I was very very happy 
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« Reply #19 on: November 10, 2012, 02:54:20 PM +0000 »

Disappointing turnout but despite that, thanks to the slipstream (which to me seems a more sensible level in this mod) we had a thrilling 3-way battle for the lead that lasted all 20 laps. Me, Cookie, Clive & Goran all took turns out front but despite our best efforts, nobody ever managed to strike out on their own & break the tow. Clive was impressively wringing the neck out of his underpowered Lotus to push up into the lead, but when he slid wide in front of Cookie's path I thought at last my chance had arrived to make a break for it. No such luck as Goran immediately arrived to take their place & despite our rather gentlemanly sharing of the tow (probably both desperate to shake off that pest Clive Wink ) the Evil one soon loomed back into view. Fortunately for us Clive suffered a fuel issue on the last lap & I just about managed to hold my run up the inside of Goran as we entered the stadium section for the final time. It was of course nice to take a win, but really enjoyed the many laps of such close & fair racing  thumbup1          
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« Reply #20 on: November 10, 2012, 03:49:54 PM +0000 »

lol Al. A few laps on the practice server before the race confirmed my suspicion that the Lotus , although better than the Fez or BT14, was only slightly better than the Cooper. It was never going to outdrag the Protos or the Matras, so I had to come up with another cunning idea. Roll Eyes

I failed to pick up a tow in the quali session for the race and so was left at the back of the 6 car grid. This did not worry me unduly, as I figured that this race would be decided on the final lap. The potential pace of all 6 drivers meant that, even if a single car got away in 1st spot, it would not take long for a couple of chasing cars to use slipstream to close the gap again.

So I geared my Lotus with very high gears so that I could at least use any slipstream to stay in touch.

starting at the back, my only concern was not to get involved in someone else's incident and find myself left too far behind to pick up a tow and I was amazed to see cars in front taking quite big risks ( at least they seemed risky to me!!) on the first few laps. I was content to sit back and get pulled along.

My gearing was working well and I could easily live with the race pace provided I was within the slipstream, often lifting slightly to avoid getting too close. It was clear that no-one had a massive speed advantage and the first of my only 2 moments of concern happened when Hristo and Natan scattered car bits across the S/F straight and I had to take avoiding action which lost me ground just before the long straight. But I was able to close up relatively easily. Goran who had gone off earlier was now a distant 4th and I was running in comfy 3rd behind Axel and Al...... scooter nice Grin.

Once again I sat in the tow. Until I realised that Goran was reeling us in and this was going to become a 4 way fight!! So I tried to inject some pace by drafting past Al and Axel, hoping that they would respond by upping their pace. Instead it seems that we ended up racing each other and Goran closed even quicker!! lol

I started to rehearse where I could make my move on the last lap with about 12 laps to go and realised that I was possibly quicker through the stadium section. So, I had to lead going into the stadium if I wanted the win. I tried a few different approaches over the next laps and realised that the move would have to start way back at the S/F line. I needed to stay in the tow down to Ostkurve and be sure that I was in 2nd spot as exited there but not too close to the leader. With my extra high 5th gear I could slingshot up the inside as we entered the stadium and outbrake the leading car into that crucial right hander.

One of my rehearsals went a little wrong and I outbraked myself and ran wide. Undecided I prevented the car from spinning on the grass and was able to rejoin a short distance behind Al and Goran, but Axel appeared to have gone off at the same corner? I hope it was not as a result of contact Axel? I felt nothing?? Sad

My second moment of panic was seeing the 2 leaders  about 400mtrs in front and my virtual tow rope dragging behind them. I had to get back on their tails or it was all over!!

The next few laps were rather unfair on my Lotus as I hit max revs in each gear and tested the tyres to their limit through Ostkurve and the stadium. I was losing out on the straights but gaining more through the corners and slowly, very slowly their cars got bigger  Smiley
With about 4 laps to go I was back in the hunt and settled behind to catch my breath and get ready for an epic last lap effort. Imagine my horror when with 2 laps to go I happened to glance at my fuel pressure...............35psi!!!! Shocked Rats!!
I kept up the race pace until the run down to the Ostkurve on the final lap, but by then it was clear that unless I backed off I would not make the finish.
So I trundled around the reast of the lap and entered the stadium showing  5psi...as I exited the final corner it was 0 psi and I just limped over the line for 3rd.

maybe that was as good as I could have expected in the Lotus, but for a while in that race I was dreaming of a top step possibility lol Grats to Al and Goran for some great close racing..sorry I could not be with you at the end.
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« Reply #21 on: November 10, 2012, 06:17:42 PM +0000 »

I got a decent start but lack of practice saw me get passed several times from using the wrong gear at the same corner several times. I also managed to tag bernie and although it seemed a minor touch it sent him cartwheeling..sorry Bernie. When I finally found a rhythm I tagged onto the back of the trio fighting for second which was great fun while it lasted. I got out of shape slowing for the ostkurve and went on the grass and through a distance marker which had considerable mass and was firmly fixed to the ground.. After a shift-r and stop n go I was on my own for a while until I caught billy who seemed to have an issue as I passed him easily but I kept an eye on prib and billy was not getting dropped but reeling me in, obviously sorted any issues. It was an exciting last few laps but billy got me in the complex on the last lap. Really enjoyable and congratulations to the podium.
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« Reply #22 on: November 11, 2012, 02:22:36 PM +0000 »

Strange things happen !

Just looked at the server replay at the point where my PC crashed entering the stadium complex at the end of lap 2 and exactly the same thing happened at the same point , just after Johnny launches me . but it only happens in cockpit view  Roll Eyes

some sort of spike maybe or just to much info for the GFX card to handle ?
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« Reply #23 on: November 11, 2012, 03:04:39 PM +0000 »

Bernie there are updates for Hockenheim!

This CTD entering the stadium "Motodrom" was in the old version, I give you the fixes
 
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« Reply #24 on: November 11, 2012, 07:40:06 PM +0000 »

Thanks Axel , I'm pretty sure I have the latest version of Hocky on board ,  dont see the harm in trying them anyway , though the words Horse and Stable Door come to mind  Grin



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« Reply #25 on: November 11, 2012, 07:47:33 PM +0000 »

Where can I find the replays? the link above between LM2 and Rules does nothing for me.
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« Reply #26 on: November 11, 2012, 08:59:47 PM +0000 »

Click on the big "UKGPL home to racing banner".  That will get you to the UKGPL Homepage.  On the homepage there is a link to replays under Navigation.  That link takes you to UKGPL3.  All the replays are available via the links in the left panel.
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« Reply #27 on: November 11, 2012, 11:56:41 PM +0000 »

Well, for what otherwise looks like a boring track with 'underpowered' cars;  there seemed to be something happening ALL the time!

I was sure I'd driven round here before; but when I took a spin round on Thursday - I found that all the chicanes were missing!  Maybe I've not driven round here in a GPL car & was from a previous time in TIR;  so that was not recent/not much help...  Still, with about 4 corners in total at least I could remember which way the next one was going, although the degree of turnyness was maybe a little hit & miss.

Still, with a pre-event/1st time of 2:04 [prib suggesting a potential 2:03] I took out the suggested Lotus 48 which fared a little better at high 2:02.
Come the race though,  I opted for the UKGPL3 suggested Lola again.   Very surprised to have managed as well as a high 2:02 in qually/practice [with suggestion of a very high 2:01 being possible].

I consider myself to have been rather misplaced during the race.  I really should not have been up there with fellow team-mate Phil & Dave Smiley 
ok, so they were both restricted car-selection wise - but with the '48 Lotus being that popular, surely it can't be a right dog?!

I was aware they were the up the sharp-end of the championship,  so was maybe giving far too much room.  To my detriment a couple of times on the right-turn into the stadium complex,  but hey - at least I slept well afterwards.   They were at each other the entire race; was a pleasure to have that close to see most of it!

There was a period of time when both of them were engaging their cloaking devices;  so felt prudent to leave a little more room whilst that lasted.

In the end,  I just could just not get that wheezing Lola ahead.   In pre-race,  I did find though that I was managing about 164mph top-end;  but during the race saw about 172mph.  Maybe that was down to having a good tow then?!

I am very pleasantly surprised to have taken provisional 3rd spot.  Looking back at the replay,  I reckon that if Dave had not have had a slight mishap on the really tight bit on about the last time around,  he'd probably have been past me.   Can't see how that FL came about either, but presumably was due to a very good tow!


So..err..  I suppose leads onto the question;  what's the point of actually having those white lines towards the edge (inside?!) of the track?  Do they actually mean anything?  Wink


Cheers all - was quite a work-out in the end,
Dave.



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« Reply #28 on: November 12, 2012, 09:20:39 AM +0000 »

So..err..  I suppose leads onto the question;  what's the point of actually having those white lines towards the edge (inside?!) of the track?  Do they actually mean anything?  Wink

White lines - to lesser road users, they are impregnable walls, broken only by use of left/right indicator beams.  To many, they are guidelines used for revenue collection, by the constabulary.  On a race track, they indicate a general direction, and should be used as decoration. Cheesy
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« Reply #29 on: November 12, 2012, 01:45:45 PM +0000 »

Shirly the white lines are used to seperate the race track form the car park   Roll Eyes
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