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November 11, 2012, 09:39:14 PM +0000 - Rouen (1955-70) - UKGPL Season 23 (2012) GT Team Challenge
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
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Hristo Itchov
 HikiWaza GT
Ford GT40 MkI GT 1967 6 +1.413
119.506mph
1 56:40.130
116.200mph
27 2:01.908
120.034mph
Goodyear  
clouds
 GT International GT
Porsche 910 GT 1967 5 +1.324
119.593mph
2 +46.914
114.618mph
27 2:02.582
119.374mph
Dunlop  
Al Heller
 Bandit GT
Ferrari 330/P4 GT 1967 1 2:01.034
120.901mph
3 +47.494
114.599mph
27 2:01.284
120.652mph
Firestone  
Cookie
 GT International GT
Ferrari 330/P4 GT 1967 2 +0.065
120.836mph
4 +1:01.002
114.152mph
27 2:01.318
120.618mph
Firestone  
fpolicardi
 Team 7 GT
Ferrari 330/P4 GT 1967 4 +1.319
119.597mph
5 +1:01.531
114.134mph
27 2:01.066
120.869mph
Firestone  
Doni Yourth
 Fujikawa Racing GT
Lola T70 MkIII GT 1967 3 +0.978
119.932mph
6 +2:04.825
112.085mph
27 2:01.113
120.822mph
Goodyear  
EvilClive
 Fujikawa Racing GT
Mirage M1 GT 1967 7 +1.773
119.155mph
7 +1L
111.126mph
26 2:03.654
118.339mph
Firestone  
BadBlood
 Fujikawa Racing GT
Porsche 910 GT 1967 13 +18.670
104.744mph
8 +2L
105.509mph
25 2:09.042
113.398mph
Dunlop  
Stefano62
 Bandit GT
Porsche 910 GT 1967 12 +11.540
110.377mph
9 +3L
102.057mph
24 2:11.436
111.333mph
Disco
Dunlop  
Phil Thornton
 Green GT
Mirage M1 GT 1967 9 +5.974
115.214mph
10 +6L
108.364mph
21 2:05.375
116.715mph
Disco
Firestone  
Nigel Smith
 HikiWaza GT
Ford GT40 MkI GT 1967 10 +7.427
113.911mph
11 +20L
100.179mph
7 2:10.824
111.853mph
Disco
Goodyear  
blito
 Green GT
Ford GT40 MkI GT 1967 11 +10.541
111.215mph
12 +22L
100.299mph
5 2:13.538
109.580mph
accident
Goodyear  
s2173
 Team 7 GT
Ford GT40 MkI GT 1967 8 +5.735
115.431mph
13 +23L
98.630mph
4 2:09.259
113.208mph
Disco
Goodyear  
2 UKGPL_T7
 
Porsche 910 GT 1967 14 14 DNS ---
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Dunlop  

Moderator's Report

Hristo made a clever choice of car and exploited the Mk1's "No Pitstop" to win this race. However if we run GT's at Rouen in the future, the Ford GT40 Mk1 will not have such a great advantage because his fastest lap will alter the stop times.
Everyone else performed the required stops and I could not see anyone who was disco'd in the pits...maybe we are getting used to the pitstops??


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On Lap 4 Sky is closing on Jason as they approach the end of the straight and seeks to get even closer under braking. Unfortunately for Sky ( and for Jason!) the brakes in the Gt's are a little unpredictable and he locks up. It appears from the replay that Sky at least makes the attempt not to run straight into the back of Jason's car and swings to the inside. If Sky had stayed on the tarmac, we might just be discussing a scary moment, but he manages to get his car completely onto the grass on the inside of the corner. By this time Jason has commited to the corner and is taking a wide line to leave Sky some room in which to make the anticipated lunge up the inside.
Once on the grass Sky is just a passenger and cannot lose any more speed. He almost misses Jason, but with a supreme effort manages to clip his target right on the brake lights spinning Jason off the track.
Although this was very frustrating for Jason, I think I have to call this a racing incident with a cautionary advice note to Sky to be more careful when attempting late braking in GT's.
Sky did indeed lose some control under braking and it was his attempt to avoid rear ending Jason that caused him to go onto the grass and ultimately to break Jason's brake lights.

Racing Incident


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A few laps later Jason makes a perfectly clean pass on Stefano's Porsche as they pass the pits and gets back onto the racing line well before T1.
Jason's heavy Ford is obviously much slower than Stefano's nimble Porker through T1 but Stefano does not make any allowance for this and rear ends the hapless Jason.
This incident could have been avoided if Stefano had been a little more thoughtful.
There is a huge difference in the cornering speed of the Porsche and the bigger cars, but the muscle cars have the advantage on the straights. This incident perfectly illustrates this problem. Jason was able to pass the Porsche easily on the S/F straight but needed to take T1 at a much slower speed than Stefano's Porsche. Naturally Stefano wanted to chase the big Ford but he should have been aware of the difference in the corners.

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« on: November 06, 2012, 08:03:43 PM +0000 »

A return to a familiar circuit for the GT's. No excuses for not "knowing" this track. Rouen, in northern France on the River Seine, is the capital of the Haute-Normandie (Upper Normandy) region and the historic capital city of Normandy. That information will not make your lap times any faster, nor will it increase your standing in your local community, but it does add an educational element to this race post.

Teams can choose to run any cars they like, but in any race each all team members must drive different cars, so only one driver can drive the car that does not need to stop.

Pit stop times are listed below with a choice of a single long stop or two shorter stops... the choice is yours.

THIS RACE WILL HAVE A ROLLING START AND CARS ARE EXPECTED TO MAINTAIN THEIR GRID POSITIONS FOR THE FIRST LAP. THE POLE CAR WILL LEAD THE PACK AROUND AT A STEADY SPEED AND RACING WILL START AS CARS ENTER THE START FINISH STRAIGHT AT THE END OF LAP 1


"Please ensure you are aware of the new in-series penalties for this season. Details are here. Drivers incurring a penalty will receive a PM informing them of this."


Race listiGOR
ServerT7_2
IP address62.149.202.168
Date11-11-2012
Race timeRace starts at 09:30 UK time
Qualifying timeBetween 30 and 60 minutes, starting no later than 21:00 UK time
TrackRouen les Essarts
ModGT
Damage modelINT (Each driver is allowed a single Shift-R)
Race length27 laps
ReplayAvailable here

REVISED PIT STOP TIMES SHOWN BELOW

Rouen - GT
Single Stop Time
 
Double Stop Time
 
Post Race Time

Penalty
Ford GT40 Mk1
No Stop
 
N/A
 
0
Porsche 910
31
 
12
 
41
Mirage M1
45
 
18
 
55
Ford GT40 Mk4
50
 
19
 
74
Ford GT40 Mk2B
59
 
21
 
60
Ferrari 330/P4
65
 
27
 
75
Lola T70 Mk3
100
 
45
 
110
Chaparral Mk2D
97
 
44
 
107
Chaparral Mk2F
110
 
50
 
120


 First Pit Window is: 22 (to go on your pit board) to 10 (to go on your pit board)
 Second Pit Window is: 17 (to go on your pit board) to 8 (to go on your pit board)

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« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2012, 11:46:02 PM +0000 »

T7 server is set to 27 laps Long race and listening on Igor in Console session with OpenGL_V2.
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« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2012, 10:38:46 AM +0000 »

Looking 50/50 if I'll make this as my internet is still on the blink. Don't seem to have a connection at all at the mo so currently having to use my mobile  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2012, 08:41:55 PM +0000 »

Sorry guys - internet is back here but I have ping that's measured in seconds Sad

I won't be able to join you - If anyone wants to stand in for me then I;m sure Phil will appreciate the help!
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« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2012, 10:16:21 PM +0000 »

This was my first GT race in a very long time and for once I was actually enjoying driving the big beasts. OK so I wasn't fast but I was in perfect control of myself.... unlike certain others with whom I had to share this race track. I shall be submitting two incident reports tomorrow, being rear-ended twice in the space of 3 corners really isn't funny......
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« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2012, 10:28:21 PM +0000 »

Early bath for me Sad.  About half way in I put a wheel on the grass at T1 which caused me to spin and damage the engine.  So I had to do a shiftR and a S&G.  Then with about 4 laps to go my engine blew again so I had to pull out.  Good luck to the remaining runners, there were some very fast drivers out there tonight!
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« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2012, 10:53:56 AM +0000 »

That was fun. I joined qually late as I was getting the kids sorted so I only had time for four laps. Tried too hard and made a mistake on each. I was on a 2:08 for the last run and managed to put a wheel on the grass at the last corner by being TOO cautious Sad - braked a bit too hard and over rotated.

Knew I was competitive with a few guys in front but Phil was too quick but maybe the pit stops would work in my favour? ARRRRGGGGGHHHH. Pit stops - hadn't looked up the window. Had to get Luke to log on to a laptop and show me the thread... still did a 2:11 whilst reading the laptop!

At the start I was all over Stefano and when Nigel made a mistake ahead we moved up. I then got over hasty and span which let Stefano away with Nigel. I set about hunting them down and we passed a stricken Jason and Sky at Nouveau Monde. I could catch Nigel in the twisty bits but he drove away through the woods. We passed Stefano who was a bit wobbly and put in a few nose to tail (ish) laps until Nigel decided to stop for a picnic. I thought he might get away with it but no. So after that it was lonely. I nearly caught Phil at his stop but not quite and then he just pulled out 150 yards a lap until I was a mile behind.

After that it was a case of trying to stay out of the way of the leaders, which was fine until Clouds and Al caught me in the wrong place. Advantage Sergio and apologies to Al. Then a big gold bruiser caught me up and barged me off the track - the bully. And him a Waza Sad

Great race though and for once I finished a GT race and I am sure I was catching Evil at the end... Cheesy
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« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2012, 12:07:42 PM +0000 »

Relieved to score a podium here after a disappointing run of results in GT's. Tried really hard to pull out a lead during the opening laps but couldn't shake off Cookie who was applying really strong pressure until his pitstop. After several frustrating disconnects while making pitstops this season, I was very nervous about taking the 65 second single stop but thankfully this time, having simplified matters by dispensing with GPLWait & gone back to ye olde stoppewatch, I finally managed to get it right. Rejoined down in 7th or 8th but with others still to pit my hasty Prib calculations revealed that a podium was still possible, providing I could get the hammer down & not make any mistakes Tongue

With Hristo seemingly too far ahead, the crucial gap seemed to be to Cookie who had a 27 second stop still to make, yet was lapping quickly some 35 seconds ahead - this was going to be close... I pushed pretty hard & managed to reduce the gap but then had a huge off in pursuit of Sergio's Porsche that undid all my hard work. Still, it proved to be enough & once Cookie had pitted I moved up to 3rd & set about trying to nick 2nd off Sergio. A full-on chase during the final laps allowed me to close up on Sergio but that Porsche looked pretty nimble through sectors 1 & 2, so I plotted a smash & grab raid down the straight for the final lap. The only slight flaw in my devious plan was I hadn't yet got close enough to Sergio to exploit the tow & then on the final lap just as I was lining up my final assault, we encounteed Paul at the hairpin, which worked out rather more kindly for Sergio than me. Not your fault at all Paul, I only needed to make the slightest of lifts, but that meant Sergio remained just out of reach. Congrats to Sergio & of course Hristo - also very nice to see Fulvio back on track again thumbup1
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« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2012, 01:27:27 PM +0000 »

also very nice to see Fulvio back on track again thumbup1

Echo that. I should have said so.
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« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2012, 02:07:32 PM +0000 »

Then a big gold bruiser caught me up and barged me off the track - the bully. And him a Waza Sad

Sorry, Paul, but I really did not expect you to lift up and let me by there. It's a flat out corner with just about a single line through it, so even if planned, a side by side action through there is very difficult to pull off without slowing down a lot. I reacted as quickly as I could and slowed down as much as I could to keep the inside line, but the rear end stepped out a bit (the MK is such a big and heavy machine!). I didn't feel anything on my side, which probably means warp was involved as well and there was physically some gap between our cars. That or the thing is so heavy it cannot be affected by minor contact, lol. Anyway, feel free to submit a report if you must.
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« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2012, 03:34:33 PM +0000 »

I've tried at least 3 cars to have an idea of which one to choose for this race and, I've noticed that Mk1 and Porsches were almost the same, with only marginal differences in my hands with maybe only the Porsche immediately fast at the beginning and the Mk1 recovering the gap in very few laps due his better top speed. I opted for the Porsche because it was more comfortable but with 31 secs handicap. Like I had already said, for me, it is not the right thing there is a cars with no wait time or at least a S&G, because for the other cars we must add the deceleration to pit and the acceleration out of pit to take in count so my 31 secs of wait time have to be counted as 6+31+6=43 (that at last, is almost the gap I had from Hristo, but taking also in count he have had not lesser than 2 spinouts) meaning that also this time the calculation of wait times was wrong. Based on my race time instead, the Ferrari wait time has been perfect (look at the gap between me and Al Heller) and if also the Mk1 wait time would have been right, we could have been 3 sprinting for the checkered flag. Obviously 5 or 10 secs of gap are also good but absolutely not 45 or more.
Anyway I made only a little mistake at Nuveau Monde during the beginning and no more mistakes for the rest of the race, and also with an almost perfect driving I had 47 secs of gap (on the 43 figured out due to the spot) !  Tongue
At 2nd lap on the brake to Scierie I've seen Hristo hiding on the Right side so I kept myself to the outside leaving him the space to brake. H was at the grip limit but it was a astonishing nice move and after that, I've managed to keep the gap close untill at 2nd lap, at the esses preceding Sanson, H had clipped the kerb with the inside wheel and making a spinout that involved another car and I was lucky to avoid the crash just moving to the extreme left.
After this event I remained on track 1 lap more and then I went to pit for my wait time. In a few secs Hristo has passed and has disappeared definitely. Exiting from the pits I begun to push hard. Pribluda shown me that I was 7, 6, 5, 4, 3 and...uhm...it seemed there was already one driver that would have to make the pit stop and the driver was Axel. After he made his pit stop I passed in 2nd place with Al Heller closing on me very very fast, so I had to stay on gas as much as in qualification to stay in front of him. At last my gap from Al Heller has been around of 5/10th of a sec WOW !
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« Reply #11 on: November 12, 2012, 04:28:59 PM +0000 »

Just for everyone's info. The stop times are calculated using the best info that I have on lap times. Each race that we do improves the accuracy and last night the race between Sergio's Porsche and Al's Ferrari produced a close finish.

Hristo's lap times last night were a huge improvement on the previous best lap I could find for the Mk1 GT40. If we were running this race again using the new data the pitstops would look like this.....


Rouen - GT
Single Stop Time
 
Double Stop Time
 
Post Race Time Penalty
Ford GT40 Mk1
No Stop
 
N/A
 
0
Porsche 910
Stop and Go
 
N/A
 
#VALUE!
Mirage M1
18
 
N/A
 
43
Ford GT40 Mk4
26
 
N/A
 
51
Ford GT40 Mk2B
43
 
16
 
68
Ferrari 330/P4
55
 
23
 
80
Lola T70 Mk3
79
 
35
 
104
Chaparral Mk2D
76
 
31
 
101
Chaparral Mk2F
86
 
40
 
111

Hristo did indeed have a big advantage last night because he made no pitstop, any other driver could have done the same and use the Mk1 GT40 to get the same result. Providing of course that you can make the Ford lap at the same speed that Hristo did???  Roll Eyes

For the system to work, there will always be one car that has No Stop and all the faster cars stops are calculated using this as a base level.
In theory...and only in theory... all cars should arrive at the finish line together..........................but we all know that they won't  Shocked unless everyone drives a flawless race at world record pace.  Wink
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« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2012, 04:38:46 PM +0000 »

Then a big gold bruiser caught me up and barged me off the track - the bully. And him a Waza Sad
Sorry, Paul

Ahhh - that's nice... I was more releived that I didn't affect the race leadership tbh. I slightly misjudged your closing speed and although I tried to stay wide off the apex, the gap was closing and I was holding my breath...

Not going to bother the mod with that one - that was just racing.
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« Reply #13 on: November 12, 2012, 05:40:54 PM +0000 »

Yeah, those more realistic wait times would have helped....

I made 2-3 little mistakes during this race that cost me about 15-20 seconds, so I never had a chance to come near Hristo...

Great fun for the first laps with Al and the last laps with the other Fezza burner Fulvio.

For me the car choice is just a matter of how comfortable I am with a car, would have taken the ChapF but that was unrealistic penalized.

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« Reply #14 on: November 12, 2012, 05:59:49 PM +0000 »

I made 2-3 little mistakes during this race that cost me about 15-20 seconds, so I never had a chance to come near Hristo...

I lost about 15 seconds in total from a spin and an off, so we're even.  Wink
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