UKPnG Season 7 Antipodean GT Challenge - Adelaide - Nov 15 ****P&G V3*****

[Manteos]

Correct Stig  Maybe we will be six, or at least 4... who knows!

Ok, now we have 3 VDA drivers on the 46.4 with the alfa GTA. Should be a great race 

I hope just to be on time, but John will have bread for his teeth even if I won't be able to join the race

Cu

[Geoffers]

I'm planning on joining this one, looks like we could have a good grid.

Best so far 1.48.4 in the Escort 

[phspok]

Seems people will be having a good time with the Alfa and Escort. unless several people ask for it
the 2.5 Porka will appear in other events. Better to keep it as posted I think for this one.

Oh FWIW my testing was with the Orange Alfa
Everyone is sticking to the older '71 escort I assume?

"John will have bread for his teeth " ? I really should learn more Italian  

Ahhh, Ok I think I get it from Italian/English forums.... English version would be
"John will have something to sink his teeth into"
Glad we sorted that one out.
Reminds me of the "White Pig" 

[Hotkeys]

While practicing online Mike Lowry and I discovered what is probably a P&G V3 bug.

There seems to be a problem with the Alfa # 42 !

If two drivers try to use that car, it will cause a CTD for the one entering the game.
This problem apparently only concerns this particular car

My suggestion is, that NO ONE uses the Alfa #42 online.


Stig

[Wiltshire Tony]

Thanks for the Heads up Stig. I've modified the race announcement to warn others (not that anyone ever reads that   )

I'll also remove it from the server so that no-one will be able to select it.

[Mark J]

just had a satisfying practise session and managed to take another 2 secs off my time in the Alfa. Getting some decent laps in and tweaking the setup makes all the difference. I didnt like this track initially but now really enjoy its flow, and the cars are just mega! 

Still dismayed that i could be 4-5 secs slower than the alien front runners...how!?  i feel like im driving the wheels off the car!
1:51.3 for me now, 15 mins race fuel onboard.

[SpecialKS]

How can you guys be that fast?

Stick around 1:54 in the Alfa running an offline open practice
with some other cars around and even the GT40 MkII or the 906 Longtail
were faster than 1:46...

So - probably will fight for last place again  but P&G V3 still very much fun.

[Clive Loynes]

crumbs i am miles off the posted laptimes so far in all 3 cars! Are you keeping inside the outer kerb at all corners?

Don't think it is the outer curbs that are the problem as the track cutting will take care of anyone going very wide.

We do need a ruling on the inner curb though.  I expect that most of the fast times are being set with two wheels on the curb rather than two wheels on the grey bit.  At the Senna Chicane that's how I'm going through.  The Escort isn't as wide as you think and the track cut point is very generous.

I think that two wheels still on the curb would be most practical ruling.

[Mark J]

I thought its supposed to always be two wheels on the black stuff, not on a kerb as that means the whole width of your car is cutting the apex. Though you could be forgiven for thinking that's not the case anymore if you watch the amount of run off they let them use in f1 lately 
To me if peeps are keeping right hand side of t1 kerbs, that's cutting! Likewise the fast right hander onto the back straight, as I expect both corners are worth a second each if your allowed to do that.

[phspok]

I don't believe in making rules for every track's corners. The SROUK rules have stuff about this already
read it if there's any doubt.. https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3349.msg65152#msg65152

I think putting a wheel up a kerb is real world stuff, so is fine by me. Driving 4 wheels inside a kerb, painted or solid
is cheating. This track has cuts on which will get you if you are very naughty. Maybe I'm just honest
but I don't remember being able to cut inside much without the car being thrown around horribly.

If anyone wants to go through the replay afterwards and hand out tickets they can, but I won't be.

[Manteos]

I watched the UKGTR rules about track cuts, and it's true that I've done my 46.4 with 2 wheels on the kerb, and 2 outside the track at the right hand of the initial chicane. I would post an image of my line after lunch, so you could possibly explain me if you consider it a cut or not.
However, without "cutting" the chicane there's a difference in terms of lap time of about 0.4/o.5 seconds at most, and all of us are respecting the rule in the rest of the track, without going wide at any other corner. There's a sensible difference in terms of exit speed doing the right hand of the chicane with 2 wheels off the curb, and we always used the rule of putting at least 2 tyres on the kerb (that we consider like track surface) in every Italian champ I raced in my life.
I would just be sure to avoid penalty for any wrong behaviour. Now I've to go, but I will post an image later and you'll kindly give me an answer about that matter

Cu

[Mark J]

I wouldnt worry about it Manteos, no point in us getting anal about it when racing these classic cars that like to move about a bit. What you describe at T1 chicane is a cut in my mind as there are no wheels on the tarmac (ie the actual race track) but doubt anyone is going to get too upset if its an open rule this time.

[Hotkeys]

Why not just let the game rule ?

If you cut the corners too deep, you'll get a stop and go penalty. I know from experience, that it works in the first chikane and in the fast right hander before the long straight.
And I believe those two turns are the only ones, where you can actually benifit from cutting.

Stig

[phspok]

My "opinion" FWIW is two wheels on the track at all times, anything else is not cricket (or volleyball for that matter)
If people regularly drive through the 1st chicane here with all 4 wheels off the track they should obtain some birch
twigs and get the their wife/friend/dog (delete as appropriate) to beat them severely  

[Manteos]

So, which one is allowed?

1)

2)

In Italy they're both legal, so I'm just asking what we should do for this evening, and I would like that the admins would be clear on what we should do. Then I expect everyone will have a clearer view about it That kind of rules had to be clarified in advance. I don't want to be "fined" by some policeman after the race

Thank you.