UKPnG Season 7 Antipodean GT Challenge - Adelaide - Nov 15 ****P&G V3*****

[Mark J]

Legal?  Those pics Sum up how the Italians drive in Italy! 
 
Pic1 is totally illegal, no attempt to stay on the race track.
Pic2 I would also say is illegal as your supposed to keep two wheels inside the kerbs, ie on the tarmac, in any known real world race series. But its not my rule to make, Matt and Tony are our Max and Bernie...not sure which of the two prefers the role playing whip stuff though 

[phspok]

No one will be whipped, but I would say same as MJ both are illegal.
2 is almost legal, but would not be considered fair here.

The kerb is not counted as part of the track surface here.
Keep 2 wheels on the black stuff at all times is the request.

If you are chasing someone who regularly jumps the kerbs as per the pics, then you can either report them, but nothing will  likely
happen, you can do the same, in which case both of you are being naughty, you can appeal to their sense of fair play
by flashing lights waving your arms and shouting abuse at them (just like in Italy    ) This option only works if you are in the same room though....  

This is an "honour" rule, it is not considered "sporting" here to not keep 2 wheels on the black stuff at all times
if you spin/make an error that's something else, we are talking about regularly and deliberately jumping the kerbs. Completely
being astride the kerbs will be tolerated as long as 2 wheels are on the race track surface for at least most of the time.
if you bounce as you go over them, then that's not your problem.

In the heat of the race people will do whatever they can, but please try to not just ignore the kerbs. The main thing here
is to have fun, we just ask that you try to follow the SROUK rules as much as you can.
Thanks
Matt.

[Manteos]

Sorry guys, but I can't agree with you on the 2nd picture. 2 tyres are on the white line in the 2nd picture. The white line is painted tarmac, and even if painted..... that is tarmac.

If you don't consider tarmac the white line, I don't know what to say.... but I just don't agree with your rule in that case. In every official race, F1 or Gt, I never heard about the white line is not considered tarmac. If I totallt accept your point of view about the first picture, I totally disagree about the 2nd one.

Said that, my G25 is totally died, and I won't be able to race today. When I'll be able to buy another wheel, we will see on track again... 2 weeks, 3 weeks, 1 month, 1 year... who knows.

However some of the VDA guys will surely join the race this evening. I will notice them your rule in any case. The important thing is that anyone will respect the same rule, but I'm even more sure that the lap times difference, won't be filled only avoiding the chicane cuts IMO  .

Said that, have a good race. I will just jump into your server to watch the show, if I'll be on time.

Cu... soon 

[phspok]

The white line is fine, the pic looks like the car has two wheels off track, and two wheels on top of the kerb.
I think a lot of people will be doing something similar to pic 2, don't worry about it, just race and try not to take liberties.

I have a G27 at my "other residence" I would fax it you, but it's too big  

Don't you have an old wheel you can use? Be a real shame if you have to miss this one.

 

[Mark J]

Sorry to hear about your wheel problem manteos   bad luck.

Ah, so the wheels are on the white line in pic2. That would take senna like accuracy for lap after lap    but yes is legal. The pic makes it look like both left wheels are sat on the kerb.
Even if you kept all 4 wheels on the tarmac I doubt many of could keep up with you anyway!
I wonder if John has kept it trackside for his demon times.

[Manteos]

Thanks for the comprehension Mark  .

The example of pic 2, was just a bit extreme, and I was considering that picture like the very limit of the track. However I'm just talking about it with Daniele, and he will notice that to all the other VDA guys. I absolutely want them to respect your rule, no matters about it 

Cu later

[johnw]

I wonder if John has kept it trackside for his demon times.

Well I thought it was on the replay I sent to the team, as it looked OK from inside the car but Clive has since pointed out that it might have been a bit naughty
I think we're in danger of generating bad feeling with this cutting business though. I shall be trying my hardest to keep it inside the white line at all times and if someone straight-lines the chicane and passes me then so be it, I won't let it get to me. If I accidentally do it myself then I'll back off for a bit to not take an advantage. Simples

[Manteos]

I wonder if John has kept it trackside for his demon times.

Well I thought it was on the replay I sent to the team, as it looked OK from inside the car but Clive has since pointed out that it might have been a bit naughty
I think we're in danger of generating bad feeling with this cutting business though. I shall be trying my hardest to keep it inside the white line at all times and if someone straight-lines the chicane and passes me then so be it, I won't let it get to me. If I accidentally do it myself then I'll back off for a bit to not take an advantage. Simples

Holy words mate

[Mark J]

Heh, I wouldn't read too much into any bad feeling. Maybe if one of us was all over the back of someone but they pulled an advantage every lap by cutting, then maybe so.
You guys will be so far up the road we wouldn't notice anyway! 

It's a gentlemens agreement at the end of the day 

[johnw]

Oops! Suspension damage at the first corner of the first lap then hit the tyres going onto the straight. Oh well. Hope you had fun

[Hotkeys]

Same here, a tiny little bump when I hit to spinning cars on lap 1 caused so much damage, that I lost control in the fast right hander. Perhaps the P&G V3 is a more 'touchy' than V2 ?

Stig

[Wiltshire Tony]

I just think these cars are stupidly fragile, dare not touch anything for fear of killing engine. I tapped a wall, front on at about 20mph after spinning at the last bend and killed the car, hardly realistic. Pointless. Another evening of P&G disappointment.

[phspok]

I had no problem with damage and I hit a couple of things, including Alex, and took no serious damage
Maybe it is more "realistic" Perhaps we can reduce the damage level if it proves to be a real issue

Replay posted, but results will take a while because the LM2 doesn't seem to know abouit PG3 cars yet

[Mark J]

I just think these cars are stupidly fragile, dare not touch anything for fear of killing engine. I tapped a wall, front on at about 20mph after spinning at the last bend and killed the car, hardly realistic. Pointless. Another evening of P&G disappointment.

Radiator damage in the front of the escort perhaps?  The new cars aren't that fragile, someone hit me at about 20-30mph and we were both able to continue, despite spinning around from the impact. You were unlucky it seems. They aren't dodgem cars like gtl  

Had a good race though lacking action. Aforementioned tap cost me about 15 secs and dropped me near the back. Fought my way back up through the field without much challenge and then had a lonely race to the flag in 6th with a big gap in front and behind. Fairly pleased with 6th considering the speed up front.

Congrats to the fast Italians and all that finished.

[Clive Loynes]

Dare you to drive your real car head on into a solid wall.

I'm quite pleased that the cars no longer have the resiliance of a battle tank.  Makes it important not to hit things.

We probably had three races tonight.

The Italian Race (Curbs are track)

The English Race, Won by Geoffers (Most laps used the tarmac)

The Ultra English Race Won by MJ (At least one tyre always firmly planted on the tarmac with its complete tread)

I think that Manteos was in the English Race until he met a wall (at more than 20 mph).

Hope we can have just one race at Silverstone but I don't mind if John were to crash as in tonight's effort!