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Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
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Ballast
lelero
 Virtual Drivers Alliance
Alfa Romeo Giulia 2000 GTAm (#71040) P&G 70s Gr2 U2L 1 1:46.087
78.385mph
1 37:52.862
76.831mph
21 1:46.639
77.979mph
Firestone  
bimbo nos
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Alfa Romeo Giulia 2000 GTAm (#71041) P&G 70s Gr2 U2L 2 +0.685
77.882mph
2 +8.160
76.557mph
21 1:47.281
77.512mph
Firestone  
lentolo
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Alfa Romeo Giulia 2000 GTAm (#71041) P&G 70s Gr2 U2L 3 +0.728
77.850mph
3 +8.787
76.536mph
21 1:47.214
77.561mph
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Geoffers
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Ford Escort RS (#71064) P&G 70s Gr2 U2L 4 +1.256
77.467mph
4 +39.817
75.509mph
21 1:48.022
76.980mph
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Clive Loynes
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Ford Escort RS (#71064) P&G 70s Gr2 U2L 7 +2.215
76.781mph
5 +57.156
74.947mph
21 1:49.081
76.233mph
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Mark J
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Alfa Romeo Giulia 2000 GTAm (#71040) P&G 70s Gr2 U2L 9 +5.495
74.524mph
6 +1L
73.044mph
20 1:50.754
75.082mph
Firestone  
simon loynes
 
Ford Escort RS (#71114) P&G 70s Gr2 U2L 8 +4.663
75.084mph
7 +14.219
72.591mph
20 1:50.984
74.926mph
Dunlop  
phspok
 Team Pseudo Racing
Ford Escort RS (#71114) P&G 70s Gr2 U2L 8 +50.056
71.473mph
20 1:51.107
74.843mph
Dunlop  
Alex vV
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Ford Escort RS (#71064) P&G 70s Gr2 U2L 11 +8.478
72.584mph
9 +1:12.384
70.793mph
20 1:54.444
72.661mph
Dunlop  
SpecialKS
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Alfa Romeo Giulia 2000 GTAm (#71041) P&G 70s Gr2 U2L 12 +8.694
72.447mph
10 +1:52.818
69.595mph
20 1:54.881
72.384mph
Firestone  
McLowry
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Ford Escort RS (#71114) P&G 70s Gr2 U2L 13 +10.606
71.260mph
11 +4L 17 1:53.050
73.557mph
suspension
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Sandor M
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Alfa Romeo Giulia 2000 GTAm (#71044) P&G 70s Gr2 U2L 14 +11.426
70.763mph
12 +10L 11 1:58.063
70.433mph
suspension
Firestone  
Manteos
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Alfa Romeo Giulia 2000 GTAm (#71041) P&G 70s Gr2 U2L 6 +1.362
77.391mph
13 +16L 5 1:48.504
76.638mph
suspension
Firestone  
Wiltshire Tony
 Toyland Racing
Ford Escort RS (#72030) P&G 70s Gr2 U2L 10 +7.580
73.157mph
14 +17L 4 1:52.085
74.190mph
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Dunlop  
Hotkeys
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Alfa Romeo Giulia 2000 GTAm (#71041) P&G 70s Gr2 U2L 15 +18L 3 1:52.819
73.707mph
suspension
Firestone  
johnw
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Alfa Romeo Giulia 2000 GTAm (#71041) P&G 70s Gr2 U2L 5 +1.324
77.418mph
16 +20L 1 1:58.657
70.081mph
suspension
Firestone  
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1:46.087
78.385mph
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Alfa Romeo Giulia 2000 GTAmNovember 15, 2012, 08:48:11 PM +0000
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GTR2
P&G 70s Gr2 U2L
1:46.639
77.979mph
lelero
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« Reply #90 on: November 15, 2012, 10:37:01 PM +0000 »

Check out the replay, I think it's about 660 in. Much less than 20mph but my demise may have been due to two almost simultaneous contacts , first with Alex, second with wall. But engine health went from 96% to 0%, that can't be right.
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« Reply #91 on: November 16, 2012, 07:29:00 AM +0000 »

Actually I think it was divine intervention as you were in the wrong car....
the event details and a couple of my posts do say '71 only escort  Shocked
The '72 ones are more powerful and lighter.
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« Reply #92 on: November 16, 2012, 08:43:46 AM +0000 »

Happy that I was able to finish without more serious damages  Grin

Still a lot of fun to drive in P&G V3, although I was far slower than competition  Sad
I personally think P&G V3 generally (or I for myself as "amateur" of "casual" driver)
needs more time for practicing but is more realistic and sensitive than the V2.1

Only one difficult moment during race: when suddenly my local sounds were lost
I lost control and had a turner when I was trying to reactivate sounds and didn't
see the pack of the 3 leading Alfa's coming from behind - sorry for that.
Fortunately there were no consequences for the "Italian League"  Shocked

Congratulation to John for winning the championship and to the winner/podium of
this race. Great turnout. Thanks to UKGTL/UKGTR for organizing - as always  Wink
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« Reply #93 on: November 16, 2012, 08:50:48 AM +0000 »

Actually I think it was divine intervention as you were in the wrong car....
the event details and a couple of my posts do say '71 only escort  Shocked
The '72 ones are more powerful and lighter.
Oh carp. And I'm the first to complain about drivers not reading the announcements  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #94 on: November 16, 2012, 09:08:07 AM +0000 »

Big congrats to JohnW winning the Aussie League adventures, along with Clive and SpecialK on the championship podium, well done gents.  thumbup1
And big thanks to Matt and Tony for organising and running these P&G leagues.  Smiley

Whats next? IROC series?  Wink  Grin

EuroGT 70's?  Cool  though id recommend it ran alongside a 'comfy' sofa slower car series so all tastes and performances are catered for.  Smiley
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« Reply #95 on: November 16, 2012, 09:16:16 AM +0000 »

Still a lot of fun to drive in P&G V3, although I was far slower than competition  Sad
I personally think P&G V3 generally (or I for myself as "amateur" of "casual" driver)
needs more time for practicing but is more realistic and sensitive than the V2.1

Yeh, the cars seem to want a lot more tweeking of the set up than in v2.1. They are quite easy to drive with the default setup (although they lock the brakes easy) but there seems to be a lot of time to be found with adjustment. The Escort was one of the first cars I tried in v3 so I had a bit of a setup for it, even so I could only initially do 1.50-1.51s with it to start with. It still doesn't corner as fast as the Italian's Alfas, tends to understeer mid-corner, so still more time to be found I think.

It was good fun though, just wish we could have been a bit closer to the Alfas at the front.

Congrats to the VDA guys, well driven. clap clap I Am Not Worthy

Also congrats to John on the League win.  clap
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« Reply #96 on: November 16, 2012, 12:43:49 PM +0000 »

I think John is untouchable, but there will be one more race when I get a few mins (hours) to sort it
It will probably be a finale at Melbourne, with cars that are fast enough to use it properly, I was thinking
Capri/BMW maybe a porka as well if one of them does similar times. (I have not tried any porkas myself yet)

Any times would be greatly appreciated. The times for this event were many seconds faster than my test times
where I was A: not as quick as the Italians.. B: I was driving fully round the kerbs
This is I think why the race length was a bit short. I had not expected to be that much off the actual race pace
so other people times are a great help.

I enjoyed last night, but it was a bit frustrating, as I forgot that I had not configured PG3 on the system I was using
and coudn't find my network key, so 2 reinstalls later I found the key, then had to re register, then install the
track..... joined with less than a min of qual left, so started with default setup and hoped for the best
the brakes were way too far forward and i kept going straight on.. tried to change while driving and rammed Alex
as I had hit the change view key..... argghhhhh. Still good fun to slide the escort around.
Grats to all that fninished, street tracks with hard walls are always painfull if  you go off.
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« Reply #97 on: November 16, 2012, 05:22:06 PM +0000 »

After yesterday's race I had to dust off my old F430 Thrustmaster. At least I would be able to race again, even if it won't be so fun.

it's a pity my retire yesterday, cause I was very close to Geoffers, and it would have surely been a great duel til the end. It was funny til it lasted. Than I hit the wall of the fast right corner before the long straight, and the damage were pretty realistic in that case Grin.

I would like to tell something just about the damage. The GTLW team, and Aris in particular worked a lot on this issue. I strongly agree with a couple of previous post with MJ and Clive, when they challenge you to go into a wall at 30 km/h. I would just like to remember that the EURO NCAP crash tests are done at 50 km/h (31 mph), and it's worth to take a look of what remains in the front part of the car, to understand what happens when you crash into a concrete wall at such "lower" speed. I can say that is pointless to say the opposite. Maybe is GTL that is "hardly realistic" about this aspect. To brake a radiator of a 70's car, just like that of a modern one, even 30 km/h are enough IMO. Same thing is for the suspentions. Sometimes, if you look at the XD motec, you'll notice that your suspentions are marked with 95 seconds damage, but with the P&G 3, it happened to me more than 1 time in the last 2 years of testing, you can simply go on if you didn't hit the wall or cars near you abruptly. Maybe you'll end up with the steering wheel slightly wrong centered, and the behaviour of the car won't be the same of an undamaged car, but you will waste a lot of time less comparing to a pit stop to repair your car.
When I started the phyisics beta-testing, I immediately noticed the difference between v2 and v3. As I said in an other topic here, the v3, is more user friendly to drive in every car, compared to the v2 (easy to drive... hard to master). At the opposite, the "neutral" default setup, are meant to be used by everyone, and their neutrality (intended as you will not esperience no major understeer/oversteer) helps a lot to stay on track without fighting too much with the steering wheel. The opposite side of the neutrality, is that for every Italian beta-tester, you need to do an harder setup, to obtain the best performance in almost all cars. Your car will corner easily with harder rear springs, and harder rear roll-bars, and you can feel almost immediately the difference about a "neutral" setup, and an harder one. Differential gear setting is really important to have a better traction, and you will have to use the throttle properly with an harder setup, or your car will spin easily cause of the power oversteer, if you don't partialize the throttle in acceleration especially if you have your wheels turned.

I can tell you that if you want to drift, P&G 3 is perfect, but you will waste a lot of time, cause drifting is not meant to be used to obtain a good laptime performance. Aris worked a lot even on this aspect. In the v2, in certain cars, the wrong side of the physics IMO, was that you could go faster when you were drifting, and it was totally a nonsense. Drift driving is strongly discouraged by my side, cause you will waste a lot of time. Dirft races are meant for japanese, but 70's races were not drift races. You need a clean driving to obtain the max performance of all the cars, and you'll need some time to spare to change your mind about the driving style of the v3, that is totally different by the 2.

Talking bout my VDA mates, I'm a bit disappointed about their lack of commitment to stay with 2 wheels on the tarmac despite my repeated warnings on the forum and in TS during the race. The thing that makes me even more "angry" is the fact that they didn't need to do it, watching their great laptimes, cause it would have made no difference at all in terms of result. So, if you want to punish them, I won't make any complain about this. I can just tell that is difficult for everybody to change their minds, but they have struggled very little to do their homework just a little better.

Last thing is that all the VDA drivers that you met yesterday on track were P&G 3 physics beta-tester by more than 2 years, so I guess it's totally natural that we are a bit advantaged compared to you. We have a lot of setup, and a lot of kilometers done with all the car pack. Not considering that we've done 2 ROTW championship with the v3, that was an only italian beta-testing championship. You know how much we train for every race, so you can just figure how many hours we spent with this great sim.

For the next race, I can tell you that BMW 24v and Capris 3100 are really close in terms of performance in almost all tracks, with a slightly advantage for the BMW, usually not more than 1 seconds depending on the tracks. In certain track (especially that with short straights), Capri 3100 could be even slightly faster than BMW, but it's a perfect combo, that we tested one year ago at the ROTW championship. They're very well matched.

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« Reply #98 on: November 16, 2012, 05:25:16 PM +0000 »

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Eventful race. After a good start was caught out by the slippy conditions. Are cold tyres modelled better in PnG3? Sorry for abrupt braking Mark, saw you spinning at the end of first lap but no brake test or other nasty stuff intended.
Then WT zoomed by in his underweighted Cosworth. Tries to apply The Undercut but immediately stamped the brakes when I saw WT sliding. To my reckoning touch could not have been a race-ending one, Matt hit me a lot harder  Cheesy
Finally had some Italian piloti divebombing past me at quite some speed. Shocked

Congrats to the Scuderia Italia.

ps. great to see you back McLowry after the cold shower in last race.
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« Reply #99 on: November 16, 2012, 06:14:37 PM +0000 »

Shame I had to miss this, sounds like an eventful evening was had by all  Smiley

I hope to be on the GC server in some of the slower cars later if anyone fancies joining. The only night this week (and probably next) that I'll be able to race  Sad
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« Reply #100 on: November 16, 2012, 09:07:35 PM +0000 »

Also congrats to John on the League win.  clap

Thanks guys, it's been lot of fun Smiley
clap to Matt for the good car & track choices

Nice to have a race in hand, the same can't be said about next week though. Looking at the points distribution I was thinking that if I finish 1st and Clive 2nd then I've got it, but if we have another Italian invasion and we finish off of the podium then Clive is in with a shout of the title even if he finishes behind me... better get practising Grin

It will probably be a finale at Melbourne

Uh oh, I can see more controversy - there's a fast chicane at Melbourne Shocked

The opposite side of the neutrality, is that for every Italian beta-tester, you need to do an harder setup, to obtain the best performance in almost all cars. Your car will corner easily with harder rear springs, and harder rear roll-bars, and you can feel almost immediately the difference about a "neutral" setup, and an harder one.

I noticed that as well, I had to stiffen it right up to get it handling reasonably, and even then it wasn't quite as 'tail-happy' as I'd have liked. Good to know I was on the right track with the setup though. Got any other tips for us non beta-testers? Grin

Grats to the VDA guys though - very fast thumbup1
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« Reply #101 on: November 17, 2012, 11:11:41 AM +0000 »

Think you are safe there John.

I recall Manteos saying that they have their VDA race on alternate weeks so next week will be on tarmac.  Grin   (mostly)
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« Reply #102 on: November 17, 2012, 11:47:05 AM +0000 »

Think you are safe there John.

I recall Manteos saying that they have their VDA race on alternate weeks so next week will be on tarmac.  Grin   (mostly)

Yes Clive. we have a cutting race at Monza. You know that for the Italians "Prima variante" and "Variante della loggia" are just straights... we don't brake at all in that chicanes Wink
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« Reply #103 on: November 17, 2012, 12:23:58 PM +0000 »

The opposite side of the neutrality, is that for every Italian beta-tester, you need to do an harder setup, to obtain the best performance in almost all cars. Your car will corner easily with harder rear springs, and harder rear roll-bars, and you can feel almost immediately the difference about a "neutral" setup, and an harder one.

I noticed that as well, I had to stiffen it right up to get it handling reasonably, and even then it wasn't quite as 'tail-happy' as I'd have liked. Good to know I was on the right track with the setup though. Got any other tips for us non beta-testers? Grin

Grats to the VDA guys though - very fast thumbup1

I think that I'm not the right guy to suggest things about driving to you. You have the right sensibility to understand which kind of driving you need with the cars of P&G 3. It's just a matter of time John, and you'll be easily on our pace. I'm sure of it. I was just thinking to share all my settings folder, but they're collected very badly into my track settings folder. If you want, the thing I could do is to collect some setup by the VDA guys and a Ron3 driver like Gianluca Gilli (aka il pinguo), that is a great italian historic P&G beta-tester since the v1. Before every race, I will post all the available set of setup that I'll manage to collect for the selected cars you're going to use in the subsequent race.

When I'll speak to him, I'll ask him this favor. I'm going to send him a PM on our forum, and you'll be noticed directly on Silverston thread when I'll be able to collect them.

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« Reply #104 on: November 17, 2012, 02:19:10 PM +0000 »

Thanks for the car tips Matteo, it really is a big help when any quick drivers post times and advice.  Cool

I think Adelade street has chicanes and kerbs in corners that just ask for some cutting, I found myself
2 wheeling the 1st chicane several times and occasionally worse. <shrug> people will drive the track
as best as they can, this is life. No problem for me in this race. John may be right about Melbourne
there are some opportunities there, I wil have a think about decent track to off, but I still think
Melbourne with some fast cars will be a good race.
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