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January 27, 2013, 10:40:22 PM +0000 - Zeltweg - UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Works Trophy (67)
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
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john bradbury
 
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 2 +0.476
127.364mph
1 48:51.252
126.300mph
28 1:43.633
127.585mph
Firestone  
EvilClive
 Blue Moose Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 5 +1.531
126.083mph
2 +50.802
124.148mph
28 1:44.861
126.091mph
Goodyear  
fpolicardi
 Team7
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 7 +3.066
124.264mph
3 +58.702
123.820mph
28 1:45.732
125.052mph
Firestone  
Al Heller
 Clark-Hill Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 6 +1.852
125.698mph
4 +1:01.410
123.708mph
28 1:45.546
125.273mph
Goodyear  
Phil Thornton
 Antipasti Racing
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 13 +4.230
122.919mph
5 +1:32.330
122.443mph
28 1:46.586
124.050mph
Firestone  
AndyL
 
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 8 +3.083
124.244mph
6 +1:34.111
122.371mph
28 1:46.393
124.275mph
Firestone  
Hristo Itchov
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 3 +0.677
127.118mph
7 +2L
126.087mph
26 1:43.334
127.954mph
Goodyear  
Baab
 Team Baarf
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 15 +8.440
118.289mph
8 +13L
121.423mph
15 1:46.127
124.587mph
Disco
Firestone  
Arf Arf Arf
 Team Baarf
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 11 +3.433
123.837mph
9 +14L
119.559mph
14 1:46.953
123.625mph
Disco
Firestone  
Doni Yourth
 Blue Moose Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 10 +3.249
124.050mph
10 +20L
120.723mph
8 1:47.479
123.020mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Ronniepeterson
 Clark-Hill Racing
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 9 +3.167
124.146mph
11 +26L
114.942mph
2 1:51.114
118.995mph
Disco
Firestone  
kinghiro
 Clark-Hill Racing
Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 4 +1.258
126.412mph
12 +27L
116.847mph
1 1:52.316
117.722mph
Disco
Firestone  
Artiglietti
 
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 1 1:43.337
127.951mph
13 +28L
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0 ---
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Disco
Firestone  
Podkrecony_Ziutek
 Clark-Hill Racing
BRM P115 F1 1967 12 +3.504
123.754mph
14
---
0 ---
---
accident
Goodyear  
Rainier
 Black Night Racing
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 14 +5.872
121.071mph
15
---
0 ---
---
Disco
Firestone  
Gpg UKGPL
 
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 16 16 DNS ---
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Firestone  

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SUMMARY
Having posted a blistering lap to secure pole position, Attilio failed to get off the line when the flag dropped. The Ferrari engine was singing but the drive train couldn't put the power down. Sadly Attilio had to retire, compounding an unlucky start to the season. On his return to UKGPL , John Bradbury had qualified his Cooper in second place and promptly took the lead as Attilio's Ferrari ground to a halt. Third placed Hristo had to take evasive action to avoid hitting the pole sitter which lost him momentum and a place to King Hiro. In an effort get the place back Hristo ran wide at the Hella Kurve and lost another place to Evil Clive.

It wasn't long before Hristo had worked his way back up to second place and set about challenging John Bradbury for the lead. The pair circulated at qualifying pace with Hristo gradually edging closer until he took the lead on lap 16 at the entry to Dr. Tiroch Kurve. The extra power of the Brabham gave Hristo the chance to pull away from John's Cooper but having eked out a gap of a second, Hristo put a wheel on the grass at Dr. Tiroch Kurve on lap 19 and spun off the track. Having regained the lead, John put the hammer down and Hristo set off in pursuit again. With 2 laps to go, Hristo still had 2 seconds to make up but the Brabham wasn't up to the challenge and the engine expired. John cruised home to a convincing win on his return to UKGPL. Well done John.

Evil held onto second place in his Brabham despite his computer gremlins and Fulvio claimed the final podium place in his beloved Ferrari.


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Lap 1 - Start Line - Phil Thornton and Bob Whitwell
Phil gets a very slow start with excessive wheel spin whereas Bob gets a flyer. As Phil tries to control the wheel spin the car lurches left just as Bob decides to overtake. Contact is made but both cars continue apparently unaffected.


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Lap 2 - Rindt Kurve - Hristo Itchov and King Hiro
King Hiro leads into Rindt Kurve and takes the normal racing line which sweeps wide at the centre of the bend between two apexes, one early and one late. Hristo sees a gap as King Hiro moves wide after the first apex. Hristo stays close to the inside and as King Hiro moves back into the second apex slight contact (warp plays some part) is made. King Hiro loses a wheel on the armco barrier and is out of the race. Hristo continues unaffected.

Hristo spotted a gap and managed to achieve 100% overlap before contact was made. Whilst it was not a move most people would be capable of, it was a legal and fair challenge.

King Hiro was taking the normal line and was not expecting a challenge at that point. The growl of the Brabham can be heard over the screaming Lotus and squealing tyres but it is not easy to tell where Hristo was. Obviously King Hiro would have been better off staying wide and not attacking the second apex but when racing most drivers (apart from the very best) this would have been unnecessary.


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Lap 3 - Hella Kurve - Arf Arf Arf and Ronnie Peterson
Arf closes on Ronnie down the finish straight and pulls out of the slipstream to make a pass on the inside at Hella Kurve. Contact is made and Ronnie spins into the armco barrier and out of the race. Arf has to take to the grass and looses a place but manages to continue.

Arf had about 80% overlap at turn-in so he was entitled to fight for the corner.

Ronnie couldn't see Arf and given they were both in Coopers he couldn't be heard clearly either. However, Arf was visible in Ronnie's mirrors when he made the move so Ronnie should have realized he was there and left room. However it recognised that it is very difficult to take a slightly wider than normal line into a fast blind bend like the Heller Kurve without risking running wide and going off the track.

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« Reply #15 on: January 28, 2013, 02:28:11 PM +0000 »

Clive try to swap the soundcard into another PCI slot if possible.

Sometimes there is a conflict with other devices wich share the same IRQ.
In the "device manager" you will find "Views" -> one of the options (3rd here) shows you the IRQs used and shared.
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« Reply #16 on: January 28, 2013, 03:17:11 PM +0000 »

I had disabled my AV before the race but still suffered a CTD during qually, with the dreaded sound loop requiring a turn off the power to the computer to shut down and restart.

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I have done a registry clean up and defragged etc. I ran "End-it-All" before the race and now I think I need to dig into the .ini file to check various things. Would the bandwidth settings be a likely culprit for the discos and warping? I am a total numpty on these things, so answers in non tech speak appreciated.

I guess the other option is a total re-install of GPL?, but I cannot help feeling that these issues are caused more by some other software/update causing a conflict rather than GPL itself. But, what the heck do I know??  Roll Eyes

i do believe it's not recommended to run "end-it-all" on more modern windows OS's , things were different where we ran non NT based windows (pre XP) , these days windows needs more processes to run correctly . that said you should stop programs you don't need from starting at boot time , if you have noticed that your pc is taking longer to boot up it probably because of that . check in the start up menu and uninstall them , also check the what programs you have installed and remove the ones you no longer use or ones you didn't know you installed !

as a general rule of thumb rasterrizers v2 crash less than the older ones and imho the d3d crashes less than opengl .

some people have also had problems with the bit rate of gpl of some sound files , so it might be best to check/replace the ones you are using .

i wouldn't bother reinstalling gpl , but crashes like you describe can be caused odd files (add-ons) , sound files , car mips . if at only at certain tracks it could be odd sized mips in the track folder .

as for virus killers most have gaming or silent mode which would be safer , if you do insist on running "end-it-all" check your firewall is still running .

also check you have no scheduled tasks that are going run , just because you haved done any doesn't mean windows or other programs haven’t set some . you can things these somewhere in settings .

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« Reply #17 on: January 28, 2013, 03:41:45 PM +0000 »

After a 4 year absence from gpl online racing things carried on as i left them with this win which i am delighted with, i was worked so hard all race long by hristo, his great effort to pass me and lead for 3 laps was in vein tho, after many laps of intense racing by both of us and pushing sometimes beyond the limit his engine blew and that was that, it was a shame because it would have been very close at the end if that had not happened.  i came over the finish line first and it felt great!

Grats to clive and fpoli for 2nd and 3rd


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« Reply #18 on: January 28, 2013, 03:43:17 PM +0000 »

John,

Have you imported  your driver history? Doesn't look like it.
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« Reply #19 on: January 28, 2013, 05:30:03 PM +0000 »

I cant find my name in the drop down
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« Reply #20 on: January 28, 2013, 05:39:57 PM +0000 »

I had disabled my AV before the race but still suffered a CTD during qually, with the dreaded sound loop requiring a turn off the power to the computer to shut down and restart.

SNIP

I have done a registry clean up and defragged etc. I ran "End-it-All" before the race and now I think I need to dig into the .ini file to check various things. Would the bandwidth settings be a likely culprit for the discos and warping? I am a total numpty on these things, so answers in non tech speak appreciated.

I guess the other option is a total re-install of GPL?, but I cannot help feeling that these issues are caused more by some other software/update causing a conflict rather than GPL itself. But, what the heck do I know??  Roll Eyes

i do believe it's not recommended to run "end-it-all" on more modern windows OS's , things were different where we ran non NT based windows (pre XP) , these days windows needs more processes to run correctly . that said you should stop programs you don't need from starting at boot time , if you have noticed that your pc is taking longer to boot up it probably because of that . check in the start up menu and uninstall them , also check the what programs you have installed and remove the ones you no longer use or ones you didn't know you installed !

as a general rule of thumb rasterrizers v2 crash less than the older ones and imho the d3d crashes less than opengl .

some people have also had problems with the bit rate of gpl of some sound files , so it might be best to check/replace the ones you are using .

i wouldn't bother reinstalling gpl , but crashes like you describe can be caused odd files (add-ons) , sound files , car mips . if at only at certain tracks it could be odd sized mips in the track folder .

as for virus killers most have gaming or silent mode which would be safer , if you do insist on running "end-it-all" check your firewall is still running .

also check you have no scheduled tasks that are going run , just because you haved done any doesn't mean windows or other programs haven’t set some . you can things these somewhere in settings .

john

End it all does give you the option to load whatever processes you like , it makes the task very easy , at least in the original version which was shareware , I think you have to buy the programme these days so it "should" be up to date with all the latest OS

then again what do I know about rabbits  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #21 on: January 28, 2013, 08:57:26 PM +0000 »

For once I kept my position off the grid after a very early flag drop and stayed ahead of various challengers until about mid race. I saw someone disco and then another (Arf and Bob) and that distracted me enough to get stuck on the wall and have Phil right on my tail. He soon passed on the straight and that was that. Nice to have some close company for the whole race.

Grats to JB back with full speed on the win. I looked back to see if I've ever been in a race with him and I was delighted to find I had and Hristo was there too, all of us in Ferraris, and I beat them both. I believe I benefitted a lot from pitstop handicapping, but the result is clear. https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=4250#event1192
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« Reply #22 on: January 28, 2013, 08:58:11 PM +0000 »

Gents

I've had a look at the replay and raised a couple of incident reports.  Nothing too serious I'm just being thorough and giving you the opportunity to comment before I publish the report.  If I've missed anything please raise a report.

Regards

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« Reply #23 on: January 28, 2013, 09:01:18 PM +0000 »

Some famous names in that list Smiley.  One for the scrapbook!
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« Reply #24 on: January 28, 2013, 09:39:18 PM +0000 »

For once I kept my position off the grid after a very early flag drop and stayed ahead of various challengers until about mid race. I saw someone disco and then another (Arf and Bob) and that distracted me enough to get stuck on the wall and have Phil right on my tail. He soon passed on the straight and that was that. Nice to have some close company for the whole race.

Grats to JB back with full speed on the win. I looked back to see if I've ever been in a race with him and I was delighted to find I had and Hristo was there too, all of us in Ferraris, and I beat them both. I believe I benefitted a lot from pitstop handicapping, but the result is clear. https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=4250#event1192

I remember that one, it was a Race of Champions at the end of the season.  Smiley
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« Reply #25 on: January 28, 2013, 09:55:46 PM +0000 »

Wasn't sure what to expect from this race, so went conservative and chose the cooper (and also to challenge my team mate Arf in the same machinery  Grin).  I had issues in qualifying, chief of which was my desk riving the plug outta the socket and rather terminating everything.  I returned with little time left and started from the back, some 8 secs off the pace!

At the start Phil's fezz was v slow away and I chose to go between him and the armco, but as he lit them up he went sideways into me and we both slid along the barrier (sorry for my part in this Phil).  My car was seemingly unscathed and I set off in hot pursuit.  My race pace was pretty good (compared to qual) and I managed to pick a few off, incl Arf  Grin but then spun at the last turn to return to dead last.  I fought back past Arf and got back on terms with Phil, getting caught out by his braking.  Soon after I was disco'd.  Not sure why, but it hasn't happened for a while so can't complain.

When catching others I really struggled to get by and generally had to wait for mistakes, I'll have to work on my race-craft.  Quite a few braking points are through corners and I was wary of losing it in the process.  Anyone else find this?

WD to podium & finishers, commiserations to Attilio, heart braking to be on pole then not make T1.

Bob

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« Reply #26 on: January 28, 2013, 11:00:45 PM +0000 »

and got back on terms with Phil, getting caught out by his braking. 
Yes you were better on the brakes than me.  I do find the braking for that left hander after the Bosch Kurve quite difficult to get right because of the crest.  I noticed you did the honorable thing and took to the grass rather than risk hitting me.  Thanks for that.

Sorry about the start, it was 50:50 which spinning wheel would grip first.  If you'd picked the other side you would have sailed past me.  Glad your car wasn't damaged.
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« Reply #27 on: January 28, 2013, 11:45:19 PM +0000 »

I cant find my name in the drop down

Phil's done it for you I think.
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« Reply #28 on: January 29, 2013, 10:44:29 AM +0000 »

Thats true I thought in worst case I would cut you off, but was sure you were further behind. Why I didn t verify this by using the 135 degrees view I have mapped the steeringwheels gearpads is a mystery to me.

Well I don't know for you but I find it impossible to look left-right while negotiating a corner.

You have a point there it, s a tradeoff, but in that specific situation with full control low speed planning the accelleration out, a tenth of a second flip on the right pad wouldn t cost me much time. I have used it in more hectic places and it has payed of well allthough some tenths of a second will be lost cause of the multitasking.
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« Reply #29 on: February 02, 2013, 11:42:06 PM +0000 »

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