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February 05, 2013, 09:36:03 PM +0000 - Albi (1959-80) - UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Novices Trophy (65)
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
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Giovani
 Team Coyote
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 1 1:15.252
108.125mph
1 39:28.405
106.500mph
31 1:15.406
107.904mph
Dunlop  
Andy Miller
 Clark-Hill Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 2 +0.106
107.973mph
2 +22.619
105.492mph
31 1:15.833
107.296mph
Goodyear  
JonnyO
 Team Coyote
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 4 +0.259
107.754mph
3 +36.031
104.904mph
31 1:15.743
107.424mph
Dunlop  
bernie
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 10 +1.736
105.687mph
4 +39.720
104.743mph
31 1:16.433
106.454mph
Goodyear  
dave curtis
 Black Night Racing
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 11 +1.769
105.641mph
5 +41.972
104.645mph
31 1:16.253
106.705mph
Dunlop  
Nigel Smith
 Blue Moose Racing
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 13 +2.283
104.941mph
6 +57.420
103.979mph
31 1:16.396
106.506mph
Dunlop  
Ross Hawkey
 Clark-Hill Racing
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 7 +1.475
106.046mph
7 +1:01.538
103.803mph
31 1:16.906
105.799mph
Dunlop  
roguk
 Clark-Hill Racing
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 6 +1.244
106.366mph
8 +1:12.711
103.328mph
31 1:17.079
105.562mph
Dunlop  
Johnny.P
 Blue Moose Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 3 +0.187
107.857mph
9 +1L
103.122mph
30 1:15.744
107.422mph
Goodyear  
Geoff65
 Clark-Hill Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 5 +0.840
106.931mph
10 +4.406
102.931mph
30 1:16.632
106.178mph
Goodyear  
Billy Nobrakes
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 12 +1.957
105.384mph
11 +5.773
102.871mph
30 1:17.509
104.976mph
Goodyear  
il_lupo_mannaro
 Black Night Racing
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 8 +1.583
105.897mph
12 +14.456
102.496mph
30 1:16.352
106.567mph
Dunlop  
Roberto Vianna
 Team Coyote
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 14 +2.645
104.453mph
13 +1:24.773
99.557mph
30 1:17.710
104.705mph
Dunlop  
BadBlood
 Blue Moose Racing
Honda RA272 F1 1965 9 +1.646
105.810mph
14 +2L
98.191mph
29 1:16.830
105.904mph
Goodyear  
PaulV
 Blue Moose Racing
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 17 +6.161
99.942mph
15 +14.031
97.621mph
29 1:19.117
102.843mph
Dunlop  
Wiltshire Tony
 Toyland Racing
Honda RA272 F1 1965 18 +6.308
99.762mph
16 +23.615
97.235mph
29 1:19.850
101.899mph
Goodyear  
Boggy
 
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 15 +3.143
103.790mph
17 +4L
92.337mph
27 1:18.933
103.082mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Adam Cooper
 Team Coyote
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 16 +3.811
102.913mph
18 +26L
93.983mph
5 1:19.920
101.809mph
Disco
Goodyear  
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Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 19 19 DNS ---
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Dunlop  

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So nearly a clean Red Zone. Possibly helped by your moderator not making the middle of the grid, this was MUCH cleaner. Well done.


Server replay time: 0h00m50s

Bernie takes the racing line at T1 but makes no allowance for Dave C who has got up the inside. Bernie should have left room. Although Dave and Bernie are relatively unscathed, it affects Billy badly. If this had happened later in the race, this could have been a Racing Incident but Lap 1, T1 demands more care.

The rules have this: In a corner, after a legitimate overtaking attempt the cars end up side by side. One driver moves over instead of staying on their own side of the track. Contact is made. Penalty for driver that moves over.

I am going to moderate the penalty down to a Warning as this was a small contact but Bernie is experienced enough to know that even small brushes can be catastrophic.


Server replay time: 0h01m35s

Adam Cooper dives down Billy's inside at Double Drat. There is no way he is going to make the corner and as Boggy follows him Billy gets caught by surprise by the second car. Double Droite is difficult and three abreast on Lap 1 is definitely not advisable. Adam braked way too late and Boggy was a bit late with his overtake.

This comes under the umbrella of Ambitious overtake and the best fit might be: In a corner, the overtaking car HAD achieved a 100% or greater overlap at the point of turn-in but the driver was not in full control but WOULD have made the corner. Warning for overtaking car.

Not sure Boggy would have made the corner as he is not turning for it because he is aware of Robert on his inside. He gets the benefit of the doubt.

This is more about making that move at that point in the race. Boggy leaves Billy nowhere to go even though he could argue that Billy turns into him.

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« on: February 02, 2013, 06:42:37 PM +0000 »

UKGPL Season 24 65 Novices Trophy
Race 2 Albi

Welcome to the second round of the Novices Trophy for Season 24.

We move to Europe and specifically France. Our race track is Albi. The Circuit d'Albi is near the small South Western French town of Le Sequestre. The circuit has nearly 80 years of history in motor-racing and is one of the oldest permanent racetracks in the world. It started as a venue for hill climbs, which is odd, because it is pancake flat, apart from a couple of awkward bumps at vital corners. Double Droite represents an overtaking opportunity as it is at the end of the longest straight but beware... heavy braking makes it easy to lose control at the corner's apex. In general it can be hard to pass here and you will need to be patient.

At Kyalami there was a full grid and the first corner produced mayhem. The first corners here are fairly difficult and patience is ESSENTIAL. The first lap will be fully moderated within the red zone. The red zone will be the ENTIRE first lap

Please check the Season 24 pages for details regarding rules and the Novices Trophy pages in particular.

There are NO chassis restrictions for this race.


Race ListIGOR
ServerUKGPL_3
IP Addressping ukgpl3.dyndns.org
Race date05-02-2013
Qualification Time  ~20:45  UK time (minimum of 30 mins)
Race Timerace starts at 21:30 UK time
TrackAbi
Variant65F1 the 2.02 Release of the 65mod should be used
Damage ModelINT
Race length31 laps
RED ZONE All of Lap 1
Passwordsee above
Replayavailable after the race here

Qualifying may start before 9pm, if so, Reserve drivers should leave the server when 35 minutes of qualifying remains and only rejoin when 30 minutes of qualifying is left. This is to ensure that Full Time drivers get priority in joining.

Please restrict chat to pit messages if necessary, and this includes the end of the race, until all running drivers have completed the necessary laps.

The Novice races are run under Int Long rules and all incidents in the red zone on Lap 1, at least, will be moderated. For this race, the red zone extends to the whole of Lap 1. There is no limit on the amount of resets but EACH Shift/R MUST be followed by a Stop n Go.

65 Patch: The 2.02 Release of the 65mod can and should be used. You need a working installation of the 65 mod to install the 2.02 Update. All the 65 Mod files can be found here

Password: see above

Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page
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« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2013, 10:31:22 PM +0000 »

Another event that turned out to be quite fun in these buzzy cars.

Apparently I must have been coasting around out there,  because I had enough fuel left for another 10 laps!
Could have done without that extra weight in the closing laps.   Although, realistically I was never going to get up to Bernie despite it looking close at times.   There was always a possibility of a mistake,  but if there were any - were smaller than mine...   Well done fella!

Looks like I may have got 100% on track.  Clearly was not trying hard enough!

Well done podium/other chaps.

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« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2013, 10:36:30 PM +0000 »

Lovely circuit to drive in these cars. Have to check if it's being used in GTL this year or not. Thanks to the chaps who helped me out with some setups, much appreciated guys.

Won't be able to make the next one at Mexico so have a good'un.

Cheers

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« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2013, 10:50:34 PM +0000 »

I really enjoyed that one, as Tony says a great circuit well suited to the 65's.

got a new PB during the race of 1:19.xx  but was way off the pace of the leaders.

must say I enjoyed the few laps I had with you Tony W towards the end of the race, had been a bit lonely until then.

I only saw one other car for lap after lap, and that was one that came out from behind the Armco... no way I could miss it..

other than that  a nice steady race.

must also say thanks to the fast guys for allowing a little bit of space and time for us slower guys to get out of your way in a decent and controlled manner, it does help , as otherwise if you crawl all over us in corners etc (which you didnt I might add!), then we ( well I do !)  make mistakes and that can spoil things for all.

well, that one deserves a nice cold beer and a little R&R.

congrats to the winner and all on the Podium, nice also to see another Blue Moose ahead of me... well done Badblood !!!!

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« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2013, 10:54:34 PM +0000 »

Thanks Dave , was fortunate to finish so high up though the mods might change the results yet ,  think it may have been you I turned in on T1 lap1 , sorry I didnt expect a pass there so early in the race , glad to see you came out fighting fit , a good race otherwise , will bang a report in anyway  Embarrassed
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« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2013, 11:01:52 PM +0000 »

Meant to add,  I was a little worried when I grabbed the track the other night & instantly the likes of Mr Hill could get round in 1:12/1:13.  eek!    Still had some fun laps on the practice server last night (cheers for the run chaps!).

Also, I really did mean to add - I am not one of the race leaders by any means,   but thanks to the lapped cars.  I'm really not used to being on this side of the deal,  but with the exception of one section (which may have just been a misunderstanding),  there was plenty  (too much maybe?)  of track given.

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« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2013, 11:08:15 PM +0000 »

Good to see another full grid - always makes the racing that much more entrtaining whether you are at the back, middle or front (actually correct that I'm not familiar with the front). Disappointed not to crack the 1.16's which I did in practice yesterday.
First couple of laps there was a bit of jostling - but noting to complain about. After that I drove a realtively clean race apart from one minor off - huge effort for 11th place! The Novices is VERY competitive this season.
Well done to Dave  C for ensuring that Black Night get a slightly respectable point haul. Fabio - stay on track a bit more & we will have lots of points.
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« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2013, 11:10:48 PM +0000 »

Thanks Dave , was fortunate to finish so high up though the mods might change the results yet ,  think it may have been you I turned in on T1 lap1 , sorry I didnt expect a pass there so early in the race , glad to see you came out fighting fit , a good race otherwise , will bang a report in anyway  Embarrassed

I've not checked it back (yet!) but assumed it was probably at least partly me Smiley     It's well inside the start-zone,  so probably no need to post it in.
--Although,  as there *was* impact - the procedure would be for us to both note it,  attaching our respective replays of course Wink

Without consulting the team legal terriers,  no apparent harm done to us then - but maybe it gave us a slight gap to the guys behind... as well as the guys ahead!

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« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2013, 11:46:31 PM +0000 »

I only saw one other car for lap after lap, and that was one that came out from behind the Armco... no way I could miss it..
Didn't see me in your mirrors then?

congrats to the winner and all on the Podium, nice also to see another Blue Moose ahead of me... well done Badblood !!!!
Thanks. I was SUPER careful passing you, Span twice making sure I didn't take your road. Lol. Novices is definitely the right division for me.

Frustrating this though as I had the pace to possibly threaten the top five but missed the start due to children demanding attention at the wrong time... couldn't get the screen to come up to start from the pits. Had a TV view of the pit lane. So I pressed Esc - Enter to Retire Sad and lo and behold, there I was in the Pits. I was now a full lap down and set about catching Roberto and Nigel. Then next up was Andy... bang... engine went which was a pity had to reset after the entire field went by so I was nearly 2 laps back. Kept pretty close pace with the leaders despite a couple of spins which dragged me back to the dizzy heights of 14th.

No race on day 1. Starting last on day 2. I just hope it gets better!

Fun race though.

Thanks Dave , was fortunate to finish so high up though the mods might change the results yet ,  think it may have been you I turned in on T1 lap1

I've not checked it back (yet!)

It was Dave, Bernie and I have checked! and Bernie will be getting a telling off but, without giving too much away, I don't think the race result will change. No need for a report.
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« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2013, 06:21:24 AM +0000 »

Fabio - stay on track a bit more & we will have lots of points.

You're right Billy but... I really forgot how to drive in such track!!
Too many real world thoughts in my mind I guess...  :'(

Grats to the podium and everybody raced!!
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« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2013, 09:48:22 AM +0000 »

I only saw one other car for lap after lap, and that was one that came out from behind the Armco... no way I could miss it..
Didn't see me in your mirrors then?

I did see you Paul, but I also could see Tony too.. all the Hondas look the same to me. I didnt really know which one of you it was, although I had some good racing with both of you. Grin

congrats to the winner and all on the Podium, nice also to see another Blue Moose ahead of me... well done Badblood !!!!
Thanks. I was SUPER careful passing you, Span twice making sure I didn't take your road. Lol. Novices is definitely the right division for me.

you and Tony passed me on a couple of occasions, you both were true Gentlemen, and i thank you for that !!  laugh

No race on day 1. Starting last on day 2. I just hope it gets better!

Cant get any worse !   Shocked

Fun race though.

Agreed.  laugh

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« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2013, 11:32:53 AM +0000 »

A couple of questions that came to mind during last nights race

1) Do you ignore blue flags during praccy (which is actually qually)?

2) In the race, top right of screen there's loads of interesting stuff going on. Most usefull for me is the column detailing the distance of cars in front and behind me. I know that a red name is someone coming up to lap me. A light blue name is someone I've passed? But what is the dark green used for?
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« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2013, 11:43:12 AM +0000 »

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1) Do you ignore blue flags during praccy (which is actually qually)?

Only if your name is bernie  Cheesy

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2) In the race, top right of screen there's loads of interesting stuff going on. Most usefull for me is the column detailing the distance of cars in front and behind me. I know that a red name is someone coming up to lap me. A light blue name is someone I've passed? But what is the dark green used for?

News to me , the only one I ever notice is whose the guy in front ?  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2013, 11:51:20 AM +0000 »

A great choice of track but one which I found quite difficult to be consistent, in practice I could achieve a decent lap but could not put more than 3 or 4 laps together without going off. I never found a line through T1- 3rd gear ran me wide and 2nd had me nearly buzzing the limiter. Also double droit had me squirming on the entry and spinning on the exit. In the race I started 3rd and I think the car in front ran wide to let me through. I followed Gio for 3 or 4 laps and then went wide just before the bridge letting jonnyo get close. He soon passed me and I followed him for a couple of laps until he span and I was too close to avoid him. A reset and s&g then started my succession of spins and offs. I had a moment with a few laps to go following Geoff into Dd - I was all over trying to slow down and Geoff was getting bigger and bigger until he vanished in front of me but I must have stuffed him off. Sorry Geoff- feel free to put me in front of the stewards. I was glad when I saw the flag- nightmare over. Congratulations to the podium.
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« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2013, 12:32:47 PM +0000 »

The general rule in qually is that ..

If you are on a true "fast lap" with a chance of posting a good time ( this means a good time for you and not necessarily about to snatch pole) then you are entitled to take the racing line and keep going.

If you are on an "out lap" or "in lap" then please get right out of the way of any other cars, even if it means taking to the grass to allow them clear passing.

If you are on a blistering lap and about to smash the world record and come across a car travelling more slowly than you are, remember that the guy in front might be on his "best" lap too and he does NOT have to get out of your way. So, it does take a little tactical application to get enough space ahead of you for a banzai lap, but then of course you may not get any slipstream  Roll Eyes

The green names on prib are for cars that are a lap or more down on you and therefore cars that you should "expect" to yeild the racing line as soon as they safely can.

Hope this helps Tony.
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