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February 13, 2013, 06:02:24 PM +0000 - Nürburgring (GP) - UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Historic Trophy (66)
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Al Heller
 Clark-Hill Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax 2.5) F1 1966 3 +8.643
100.834mph
1 51:53.636
98.428mph
6 8:29.331
100.285mph
Goodyear  
G Jonsson
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax 2.7) F1 1966 8 +20.414
98.544mph
2 +43.783
97.063mph
6 8:35.295
99.124mph
Goodyear  
AnGex
 Black Night Racing
Lotus 33 (Climax 1966) F1 1966 6 +16.152
99.361mph
3 +57.494
96.643mph
6 8:38.990
98.418mph
Firestone  
Rainier
 Black Night Racing
Lotus 33 (Climax 1966) F1 1966 10 +25.195
97.643mph
4 +1:30.345
95.653mph
6 8:49.143
96.530mph
Firestone  
PaulV
 Blue Moose Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax 2.7) F1 1966 18 5 +4:43.896
90.203mph
6 9:12.851
92.390mph
Goodyear  
MagicArsouille
 
Brabham BT11 (Climax 2.5) F1 1966 1 8:17.914
102.584mph
6 +1L
102.092mph
5 8:16.832
102.808mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Artiglietti
 
Brabham BT11 (Climax 2.7) F1 1966 12 +32.121
96.368mph
7 +2L
94.097mph
4 8:47.663
96.801mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Nigel Smith
 Blue Moose Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax 2.5) F1 1966 14 +1:16.769
88.881mph
8 +1:28.500
90.412mph
4 9:03.907
93.910mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Pierre D
 
Ferrari 246 F1 1966 15 +1:34.554
86.213mph
9 +5:02.253
82.599mph
4 9:55.126
85.827mph
Disco
Firestone  
Hristo Itchov
 
BRM P261 (1966) F1 1966 9 +20.759
98.479mph
10 (+3) +3L
99.693mph
3 8:17.047
102.763mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Flow
 
Brabham BT11 (Climax 2.7) F1 1966 4 +14.341
99.712mph
11 (+2) +50.836
96.502mph
3 8:38.686
98.476mph
Disco
Goodyear  
bernie
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Brabham BT11 (Climax 2.7) F1 1966 13 +59.450
91.642mph
12 +5L
84.436mph
1 9:17.474
91.624mph
Disco
Goodyear  
dave curtis
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT11 (BRM V8) F1 1966 16 +3:57.676
69.438mph
13 +2.627
84.071mph
1 9:58.106
85.400mph
accident
Goodyear  
Raoni Frizzo
 Team Coyote
Brabham BT11 (BRM V8) F1 1966 2 +8.384
100.886mph
14 +6L
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0 ---
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Disco
Goodyear  
EvilClive
 Blue Moose Racing
Brabham BT11 (BRM V8) F1 1966 5 +14.608
99.660mph
15
---
0 ---
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Disco
Goodyear  
s2173
 Team7
Ferrari 246 F1 1966 7 +18.303
98.947mph
16
---
0 ---
---
Disco
Firestone  
Ronniepeterson
 Clark-Hill Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax 2.5) F1 1966 11 +26.690
97.365mph
17
---
0 ---
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accident
Goodyear  
Hristo Itchov
 
BRM P83 F1 1966 18 DNS ---
---
Goodyear  
Adam Cooper
 Team Coyote
Brabham BT11 (Climax 2.5) F1 1966 19 ---
---
Goodyear  
2 UKGPL_T7
 
Lotus 33 (BRM) F1 1966 17 20 ---
---
Firestone  

Moderator's Report

Server replay time: 0h01m27s

Blatant rear end shunt done by Hristo again Skymole.

Hristo started in the middle of the grid, but he is very fast compare to middle runners and we don't all drive with his ability so he has to make up places safely.

Maybe Skymole was at low speed (not sure : the turn is quite a difficult one on cold tyres) but it was on first lap on red zone.

Penalty of 2+1 Places.


Server replay time: 0h03m27s

Florian went out of the track and rejoin it with no care.
From cockpit view you can see 2 approaching cars.
Ronnie and Rainier had to hardly brake and they spun to avoid his car.


Server replay time: 0h06m30s

Rainier lose the line in the Karusel so Florian made a legitimate overtake but it would have been advisable to stay to the left of the track, until he made a clean pass.

  • Racing incident


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Warp contact between Rainier and Ronnie

  • Racing incident

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Grand Prix Legends
F1 1966
8:17.914
102.584mph
MagicArsouille
Qualifying
Brabham BT11 (Climax 2.5)February 13, 2013, 06:02:24 PM +0000
S24His
Grand Prix Legends
F1 1966
8:16.832
102.808mph
MagicArsouille
Race
Brabham BT11 (Climax 2.5)February 13, 2013, 06:02:24 PM +0000
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« on: February 05, 2013, 10:59:53 PM +0000 »

Season 24 Historic Trophy (66) - Round 3 - Nürburgring

The third round of the season will be at Nürburg in Germany.  An iconic track, loved by some, hated by others.  Commonly referred to as "The Green Hell" thanks to Jackie Stewart, the Nordschleife provided the ultimate challenge for the Formula one drivers in the 1960s.  With 160 turns over 14.2 miles the track twists and turns, rises and falls through the stunning countryside of the Eifel mountains.  It is still regarded by many as the most demanding and difficult purpose-built racing circuit in the world.

Race List = IGOR
Server = UKGPL_T7
IP address = 62.149.202.168
Race date = 12-02-2013
Race Time = race starts at 21:30 UK time
Qualifying Time = Between 30 and 60 minutes, starting no later than 21:00 UK time
Track = papyrus original
Variant = 66mod
Damage Model = PRO
Race length = 50 minutes (laps 6)
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Replays Available here
Driver lists and token rules can be found on the championship standings page
The track can be downloaded from : papy track

The full time drivers can start to practice as soon as the server is available.  Reserve drivers can also join as soon as the server becomes available but must leave the server with 35 minutes of qualifying left, for a total of 5 minutes; this will allow any remaining full timers to join.  If there is enough space on the grid, the reserve drivers will be able to rejoin when there are 30 mins of qualifying left.  

Please restrict chat to pit messages including at the end of the race until ALL drivers still racing have crossed the line.

The race will be run under PRO rules so no resets are allowed.



Moderating The red zone will be fully moderated for lap 1 only. For this event the red zone will be from the start line to the Flugplatz. Other moderation will be on reported incidents only.  However any incidents that occur in the red zone that are not reported by the drivers will be reported by the moderator.  This will allow all affected drivers the opportunity to present their case before the incident is moderated.  This should ensure there are no surprises when the moderator's report is published and hence appeals will be less likely.  If you haven't received a PM about an incident before the link below the results table is removed, you can be sure that you will not appear in the moderator's report.


For THIS RACE, ONLY 2 liters car could be selected

 
The cars
Group I
T1F Eagle Climax
Lotus 33 Climax

Group II
Brabham BT11 2.5lt
Lotus 33 BRM


GroupIII
Ferrari 246
Brabham BT11 BRM
BRM P261
Brabham BT11 2.7lt


Driver Restricted to cars from Group I

Dave Rainier


Drivers Restricted to cars form Group II or Group I

Al Heller
Andreas Gebhardt


All other drivers have free chassis choice .

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« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2013, 09:33:47 AM +0000 »

Please reconsider the handicapping for this race, it is so close in the championship that to handicap drivers at this point will only make the competition unjust.

But that is only my thoughts of cause.

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« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2013, 06:47:20 PM +0000 »

I agree with you Göran (and not only because I am the most impacted driver by this rule).
Just want to be sure what are the rules in such a case with so close results !?

I don't want to have in this topic 3 or 4 pages from some driver(s) disputing every decision ... 
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« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2013, 08:50:30 PM +0000 »

I thought this season it's free car choice for all for the first 3 rounds in all divisions with handicap system?
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« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2013, 08:54:56 PM +0000 »

I am also restricted to a Group II or Group I car. But I do not have a problem with this.  Smiley Especially not at the Nordschleife. There were people even in a F2 car faster then other in a F1, for instance David Hobbs.  Wink
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« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2013, 09:11:24 PM +0000 »

Things may be nice and close at the top of the Historic series for some, but the handicapping system is there to even things out for all over the course of the season. We all knew the rules before we signed up, so it seems a little early in the season to be asking for rules changes?

The Historic Trophy division
The first two races will not be handicapped and after that the top three drivers in the championship may, at the moderator's discretion, be limited to a slower car. If handicapping is in action then handicapped drivers will be notified in the race post.


The Pro Trophy
As the senior division with the best drivers, there will be no handicap and drivers have a free chassis choice. Once a chassis is selected, a driver should stay in that chassis for ALL races. This rule can be relaxed at the Moderator's discretion only.
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« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2013, 09:51:11 PM +0000 »

OK, so it's the first two races here. I guess I was thinking about one of the other divisions. All fine then, let's respect the rules!
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« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2013, 01:13:21 AM +0000 »

The Historic Trophy division
The first two races will not be handicapped and after that the top three drivers in the championship may, at the moderator's discretion, be limited to a slower car. If handicapping is in action then handicapped drivers will be notified in the race post.

This is not a question of respecting rules it is a question of having a "at the moderators discretion" rule and use it when there really is very little difference in the table, only a few points between drivers. Why?

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« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2013, 09:00:38 AM +0000 »

Well, I raced for multiple seasons being handicapped for leading the championship after the very first race and never had an exception made for me. Why do you think it should be done now? The system won't work properly if we start making exceptions. If the points between drivers are close and 1-2 of them are handicapped, it would simply switch their positions around a bit and next race the handicap will be reversed, so it works as intended. It may not produce closer racing currently if someone is handicapped, but it will keep the championship close, which was what the handicap system is meant to do. And anyway, the cars here have small differences between each other.
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« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2013, 09:27:59 AM +0000 »

Must apologise. The rules were modified after the demise of the Ints and I didn't update the Season pages. Might have caused some confusion.

That ios why the Pros ended up slightly different to the Historics. We will try and align the rules next season to make it more consistent.
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« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2013, 10:17:53 AM +0000 »

Must apologise. The rules were modified after the demise of the Ints and I didn't update the Season pages. Might have caused some confusion.

That ios why the Pros ended up slightly different to the Historics. We will try and align the rules next season to make it more consistent.

So what is your conclusion ?

Written rules are "The first two races will not be handicapped and after that the top three drivers in the championship may, at the moderator's discretion, be limited to a slower car. If handicapping is in action then handicapped drivers will be notified in the race post."

Hristo remark "The system won't work properly if we start making exceptions" is not valid because it is clearly indicated "at the moderator's discretion".

Nevertheless, I will keep the handicaps for the 3 drivers , it has not a great importance in tracks like the Nordschleife.
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« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2013, 12:56:59 PM +0000 »

Must apologise. The rules were modified after the demise of the Ints and I didn't update the Season pages. Might have caused some confusion.

That ios why the Pros ended up slightly different to the Historics. We will try and align the rules next season to make it more consistent.

Did you mean to post this in the Pro's thread? Not really seeing how it relates to what is being discussed here.  Tongue As far as I know Historics system was never intended to be changed, but quite the opposite - other divisions to use the same system, based on championship positions.
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« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2013, 09:59:38 PM +0000 »

Oops... It was Pros  Grin
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« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2013, 08:59:54 PM +0000 »

IGOR-Chat don´t work and no UKGPL-Server to see, what now?
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« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2013, 09:02:26 PM +0000 »

Same here.
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