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February 19, 2013, 09:37:13 PM +0000 - Mexico City (1962-1979) - UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Novices Trophy (65)
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
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Giovani
 Team Coyote
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 1 1:52.837
99.150mph
1 39:54.943
98.100mph
21 1:53.189
98.842mph
Dunlop  
Geoff65
 Clark-Hill Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 4 +1.237
98.075mph
2 +54.782
95.906mph
21 1:54.713
97.529mph
Goodyear  
il_lupo_mannaro
 Black Night Racing
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 6 +2.292
97.176mph
3 +1:05.263
95.498mph
21 1:55.192
97.123mph
Dunlop  
roguk
 Clark-Hill Racing
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 7 +2.690
96.841mph
4 +1:06.034
95.468mph
21 1:55.638
96.748mph
Dunlop  
bernie
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 9 +3.365
96.279mph
5 +1:13.607
95.175mph
21 1:54.839
97.422mph
Goodyear  
dave curtis
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 8 +2.854
96.704mph
6 +1:16.146
95.077mph
21 1:55.680
96.713mph
Goodyear  
Billy Nobrakes
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 10 +3.721
95.985mph
7 +1:32.253
94.461mph
21 1:56.157
96.316mph
Goodyear  
Ross Hawkey
 Clark-Hill Racing
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 12 +4.486
95.359mph
8 +1:38.313
94.232mph
21 1:55.860
96.563mph
Dunlop  
happyal
 Clark-Hill Racing
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 5 +1.497
97.852mph
9 (+2) +1:38.378
94.229mph
21 1:54.599
97.626mph
Dunlop  
BadBlood
 Blue Moose Racing
Honda RA272 F1 1965 11 +4.154
95.630mph
10 +1:47.737
93.877mph
21 1:56.285
96.210mph
Goodyear  
Johnny.P
 Blue Moose Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 3 +1.065
98.223mph
11 +1:48.130
93.862mph
21 1:54.447
97.755mph
Goodyear  
PaulV
 Blue Moose Racing
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 15 +7.494
92.975mph
12 +1L
92.611mph
20 1:57.610
95.126mph
Dunlop  
Nigel Smith
 Blue Moose Racing
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 13 +5.047
94.905mph
13 +19.139
91.883mph
20 1:58.316
94.559mph
Dunlop  
Andy Miller
 Clark-Hill Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 2 +0.477
98.733mph
14 +12L
97.087mph
9 1:53.995
98.143mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Boggy
 
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 16 +8.577
92.146mph
15 +20L
73.801mph
1 2:22.972
78.252mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Adam Cooper
 Team Coyote
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 14 +5.234
94.755mph
16 DNS ---
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Goodyear  
UKGPL 3
 
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 17 17 ---
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Dunlop  

Moderator's Report

Nothing reported outside the first lap, so, was the Red Zone clean?

No. :(


Server replay time: 0h01m05s

Johnny has been caught either side by Al and Fabio. Johnny tries to leave racing room for the Italian but doesn't see the other Ferrari coming up. It look from the overhead as if Johnny strays across the track into Al's path.

The rules have this: "On a straight, the overtaking car moves out to overtake, maintains his line and has NOT achieved 100% overlap but the overtaken driver moves across into him. Penalty for overtaken driver."

There is, however, no indication of steering movement on either of the drivers part. They simply drift into each other. It is clear, however, from the overhead view that although Johnny maintains his line he is driving slightly across the track but the same is not true of Al.

Interestingly Johnny had felt that Al had driven into him and Al thinks it is Johnny

It was also going to be hard to get three abreast into T1 and here it proves impossible.

Neither driver does much wrong but as Johnny has got his line wrong I have issued him with a caution as the lowest penalty available.


Server replay time: 0h01m14s

Al is turned around and the red mist has descended. Ross is clearly visible coming but Al tries a doughnut to get going and ploughs into Mr Hawkey who did nothing wrong.

Sadly for Al this is about as bad a rejoin as you can get and I have no choice but to penalise him.

Rules have this: "The rejoining driver was NOT in full control but nevertheless attempted to drive straight back onto the racing line without any consideration for other drivers and contact was made."

Having done nothing wrong in the previous incident Al ends up heavily punished. It is a reminder that you cannot win at T1 but you can lose there.

The only mitigation is that the redraw limits would have made Ross 'appear' suddenly but Al is experienced enough to know that the move was risky. Nonetheless I have reduced the penalty by one place.


Server replay time: 0h02m05s

Al's interesting first lap continues. He is making up ground and as Ross takes avoiding action to go round the stranded Boggy (who has had a solo spin at the hairpin) he is confronted with a road blocking red chassis. He has nowhere to go but kindly taps Mr Marshall round.

Well done to Boggy to just stay still - it was the best thing to do in the circumstances. Al should take note!

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« on: February 15, 2013, 02:58:41 PM +0000 »

UKGPL Season 24 65 Novices Trophy
Race 3 Mexico City

Welcome to the third round of the Novices Trophy for Season 24.

We are in the Americas. Our race is at the historic 2.747-mile race track "AutĂłdromo Hermanos Rodriguez" in Mexico City, named for the famous racing drivers Ricardo and Pedro RodrĂ­guez. This track first hosted F1 in 1962 when Ricardo was killed in practice for the non-championship event. Despite this inauspicious start the course was a staple of the F1 championship between 1963 and 1970. The grip of the 69X (aka 65s AHEM) is useful on this track and should provide some close racing if we can avoid the deadly polos. However, be aware that it could be a little crowded when we get to the esses first time round. There will be crashes and patience is a must. The first lap will be fully moderated within the red zone.

As always patience is ESSENTIAL. The first lap will be fully moderated within the red zone. The red zone will be the ENTIRE first lap

Please check the Season 24 pages for details regarding rules and the Novices Trophy pages in particular.

There are NO chassis restrictions for this race. HANDICAPPING will be applied from ROUND 4, if necessary.


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Race date19-02-2013
Qualification Time  ~20:45  UK time (minimum of 30 mins)
Race Timerace starts at 21:30 UK time
TrackMexico City (Papy)
Variant65F1 the 2.02 Release of the 65mod should be used
Damage ModelINT
Race length21 laps
RED ZONE All of Lap 1
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Please restrict chat to pit messages if necessary, and this includes the end of the race, until all running drivers have completed the necessary laps.

The Novice races are run under Int Long rules and all incidents in the red zone on Lap 1, at least, will be moderated. For this race, the red zone extends to the whole of Lap 1. There is no limit on the amount of resets but EACH Shift/R MUST be followed by a Stop n Go.

65 Patch: The 2.02 Release of the 65mod can and should be used. You need a working installation of the 65 mod to install the 2.02 Update. All the 65 Mod files can be found here

Password: see above

Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page
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« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2013, 05:07:34 PM +0000 »


Hi, just a quick question re tyres.

I fully agree the grip of the 69x's will help here

so where do I get a set of 69 slicks for the 'ol 65 then ?

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« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2013, 07:49:33 PM +0000 »

You could try here  Smiley


http://www.kwik-fit.com/tyre-search.asp
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« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2013, 09:05:06 PM +0000 »


Hi, just a quick question re tyres.

I fully agree the grip of the 69x's will help here

so where do I get a set of 69 slicks for the 'ol 65 then ?



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« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2013, 09:59:05 PM +0000 »

Well it was going well for 2nd but was having some bad lag from my end i think. It didn't clear up in the race and i could see the query bar rising and rising all of a sudden, then pop.

That's going to hurt my chances in this champ for sure as i can't make the next race.

But i'm still here so it's not all bad Wink

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« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2013, 10:43:18 PM +0000 »

Well - you get to drop two results Andy and Jonny has moved up but by a technicality you may get away with no handicap next time whereas Geoff and Gio will have wheel clamps...

Had a fun race. Got as high as 7th with a good start and then Dave frightened me at T1 which made me overbrake and lose three places. Bernie and Billy kindly span and gave the places back but Bernie took two laps or so to gobble me up and Billy didn't have to wait much longer. I set about chasing Mr BN waiting for the famed Nobrakes 360... but no, he just drove away from me... swiz.

I then found myself under big pressure from Ross and Al with a handful of laps left. I knew they were faster but I was wider. Kept it together until Lap 20 when I lost the back end at Peralta which I had not done in 60 odd laps of race, qually and practice... double swiz. Ross drove by and as I got going Al biffed his way through. Drat and DOUBLE drat. That put me into the clutches of Johnny P. And I made my Honda VERY FAT. Hope it was fair though Johnny.

Great fun.
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« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2013, 11:00:52 PM +0000 »

Couldnt get in the mood at first so took things easy , quallified on race fuel so was pleased with set up , avoided the usual T1 pile up then had a set to with Dave but spun when stomping on the the brakes ( had to avoid rear ending you when you had a quick warp and wasnt sure where you was on track ) ended up in the barriers and luckily no damage , by the time i got sorted Paul had gone through so set off after him , Paul can make that honda really wide so wasnt easy to get by , fortunately i had an xtra long 6th gear fitted for the race which gave me a good tow , once past Paul I prib was telling me Dave was 12 secs in front with 12 to go and was suprised to find the next was 11 secs with 11 to go , finally caught up , but catching and passing are 2 different things , on the penultimate lap I got a good tow down the straight got alongside , clenched the cheeks of me arse and went for the pass , narrowly missing the armco but pulled it off , once more enjoyed some great clean racing in these little cars , looking forward to the next .

Grtas to the fast guys & well done to all who finished with there wheels intact  Smiley   
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« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2013, 11:53:35 PM +0000 »


I certainly scared myself a couple of times round about T1.  Strange, because in my test laps last night (admittedly in a different car)  the first few turns were not a problem.  I was just untidy & slow,  but it wasn't getting hairy!

With Bernie gaining on me,  it seemed I was edging closer to the 2x battling Ferraris ahead.  Of course, I'd have never got past - but that target seemed to be getting a little bigger.
Then some mishaps & Bernie just plain quicker  (maybe you were not slewing around scrubbing too much speed?!).   So maybe just time to just let him past & he was off up the road.

There were a couple of times when my sound disappeared for just tenths of a second.  No obvious issues,  but that was disconcerting at the time.

I still don't understand the tow;  maybe I was just not quite close enough to anyone - but there does not seem to be anything noticeable in these cars Huh


Anyway, cheers lads.

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« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2013, 09:25:28 AM +0000 »

After all the rhetoric from previous races about being careful at the start I was nudged into the barrier at T1 and lost a wheel. I missed the pit entry on the next lap so went for my stop and go on lap 3 only to be shunted from behind slowing for the pits- possibly from the same car that put me in the barrier...I need to see the replay. I had a couple of spins all by myself during the race but would like to forget Mexico. Congratulations to the podium especially to Gio who is driving really well. Paul- I never really got close enough you were faster than me.
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« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2013, 10:06:26 AM +0000 »

After all the rhetoric from previous races about being careful at the start I was nudged into the barrier at T1 and lost a wheel. I missed the pit entry on the next lap so went for my stop and go on lap 3 only to be shunted from behind slowing for the pits- possibly from the same car that put me in the barrier...I need to see the replay.

Hi Johnny,

It was me both times, but it’s a bit different from my point of view.

I got a great start and kept to the left (my start position), I got along side you and was starting to think about braking for turn one. Now what I didn’t know was Geoff, also got a great start and was on the other side of you. He was a little in front of you and you started to drift to the left to give him space, and unfortunately I was in the GPL blind spot, and you drifted ring into me. I made sure that I kept a straight line, and I was marginally in front of you, but I was in your blind spot.

I must apologies to Ross, because I made a really bad rejoin at this point, and ended up going straight into his car. The only thing I can say in my defence was that I did wait for the pack to pass me, and I waited for a spot to rejoin, but the number of cars my PC drawn was quite low, and he just appeared on my screen, mid-rejoin. I really should of checked Prib, to very sorry to Ross for my bad rejoin.

The second one was really strange for me, as I had no idea why you suddenly slowed down so much, even after watching my reply I still could not understand why you were so suddenly so slow. Thanks for clearing it up for me in your report because that one had me scratching my head Smiley

My last little bump came with Badblood on the last couple of laps. He had a spin at the hairpin and was sideways across the track and I hit him Sad I too had a few little spins all on my own and overall Mexico was a race to forget for me.

Congrats to Podium, and such impressive speed for Gio, well done buddy, it looks like we are all chasing you at the moment.
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« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2013, 10:22:29 AM +0000 »

Hi,

not so bad for me last night.. PC running Solid as a rock with no glitches so was happy there.

managed only something in the high 1:59s in offline practice, so did a few qually laps on full fuel etc and could see early on i wasnt a contender, so was happy to be near the back.

followed all to T1 and made my way through a couple of cars, settled down then to what was a steady and completely uneventful race for me.

times got a bit better as they dropped to 1:58, then 1:57 and was going Ok, but lonely at the back.  got up to 10th and was happy with that but towards end of the race the concentration was beginning to wane a little and only due to accidents and pitstops etc there where still 3 or 4 cars behind me. 

I knew I was at least 1 sec or more slower so it was only a matter of time before they caught me.. and catch me they did. glad to say it was Jonny and Badblood so didnt feel to bad to be passed others of the "Moose" persuasion.

got back and lost a few places throughtout the race, had a slow motion kind of spin while driving alone..  let a car pass while I got going again and basically just drove on auto-pilot until the end.  Tongue

I find Mexico a track with lots of great corners and seems to have a nice feel to it, but boy for me it seems to require so much concentration and input I find it exhausting.

anyways another finish if nothing else, and nice to have not had a crash or needed a pitstop etc.

just thin that I need more practice in getting these little cars to go better. must try harder to get me corner speeds etc up.  that and probalby every other aspect of how i drive  Cheesy

congrats to all on the podium..

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« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2013, 10:40:56 AM +0000 »


I still don't understand the tow;  maybe I was just not quite close enough to anyone - but there does not seem to be anything noticeable in these cars Huh


Anyway, cheers lads.

Dave.

The 65's tow isnt as strong as it is in the 66mod , you do have to get a lot closer to the car in front before you can get in the slipstream , its actually more realistic in 65's than 66 and 67 mod for that matter .
You must have a longer (higher ratio ) top gear than you would use if lapping alone , the usual thing is to have the car geared to red line at the end of the straight , but when you get in the slipstream,  you can pick up another 200 rpm or so due to there being less "wind resistance" but only if you gear for it , otherwise the engine will be on the limiter to soon and won't get the extra revs  
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« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2013, 12:20:29 PM +0000 »

My first good race of the Season.
Good start, passing 2 cars, a good and steady pace for the whole race and then... the gift of the podium from Adam!
Geoff was really quicker and I really hadn't any chance to fight with him.
Because of some small mistakes Rog got closer during the final laps but I wasn't really worried about him.
See you all at Aintree
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« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2013, 12:26:12 PM +0000 »

Thanks for the info. Bernie - that explains a thing or two.

Rather uneventful outing. Overran one corner early in the race, but otherwise kept things consistent. After the race settled down I realised that I was slipping back from Bernie & Dace C & would need someone to have a mistake to improve my position. Badblood was kind enough to give me my place back twice & stayed close enough for most of the race to keep me focussed. Glad to finish mid-table & unlapped.
Well done Fabio - for getting a podium finish for the team.  
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« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2013, 05:48:14 PM +0000 »

I must apologies to Ross, because I made a really bad rejoin at this point, and ended up going straight into his car. The only thing I can say in my defence was that I did wait for the pack to pass me, and I waited for a spot to rejoin, but the number of cars my PC drawn was quite low, and he just appeared on my screen, mid-rejoin. I really should of checked Prib, to very sorry to Ross for my bad rejoin.
Yep, at that point I did have a eek moment, to say the least.  I saw that there was an incident ahead, I lifted to allow myself a chance to react if necessary, but gotta say that I didn't anticipate the move that followed. 

I don't have the pace that many other drivers demonstrate, so my main strategy is to keep out of trouble, and stay consistent. To have contact at T1/Lap 1, and losing so much ground to the cars ahead made it a tough struggle.

Thanks for acknowledging it though.

My race afterwards, saw a decent dice early on, with Nigel & Paul (albeit, it was costing me 3-4secs per lap) while I was trying to recover ground following T1, then a long chase to BadBlood, who drove consistently ahead, but for one small error on the penultimate lap, which saw me pick up a late position.
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