I just finished a little training session offline, cause your server was not in lobby yet. I didn't know this track, cause I never raced here, but I like it. I picked the 2 italian cars on the list, Abarth & Alfa 1750 GTAM to learn the circuit. When I saw the car choice list, I was a bit surprised about the variety of the cars in terms of performance on some standard circuit, and reading the laptime posted by Simon, after some laps, I understood that Abarth and Minis, would be surely totally cutted off by the leading position. This track has too much straights to let the Abarth and Minis to be competitive for a good placement. I was on mid 19 in it, with the chance to cut not more than 1 second (probably less) to this time in race trim.
Then I jumped on the Alfa 1750, and it was sensibly faster on race pace than the Abarth. My best lap in race trim was a 1.14.2 at the moment, with not so much to improve I guess.
Talking about the white line, I just discovered that the cut detection is absolutely arbitrarily in this track. After reading Matt's post I deliberately tried to cut as much as possible the left hander at the exit of the chicane, and in my "outlaw" lap, I managed a 1.13.9 (absolutely illegal for you rules), but despite I jumped with two wheels on the grass and 2 on the kerb, the game didn't canceled my lap. In some other laps at the opposite, even if I was with the 2 wheels inside/on the white line and 2 on the kerb (that you consider legal), the game decided to cancel my lap with no reason apparently.
So now seems that your rules passed from "put no wheels outside the white lines" to an even worse, "The only safe line is
to not put any wheels on the kerb at that point.", that sorry guys, but I find pretty ridicolous if we are here to RACE, even more if the detection cut is absolutely arbitrarily as I stated, and reading Matt's and Clive's posts is clear that you have two different views of where the cut detenction is, and your statements clashes with the other. I'm sure as Matt that the cut detenction is on the left hander, but I'll post you my outlaw lap, just to let you understand what I mean for arbitrarily cut detenction. I don't want to know what could happen if someone will receive a cut warning just cause he was door to door with someone at that chicane. It could become an hilarious situation.
Never heard about a marshal that forces the drivers to avoid a kerb in any circuit, and this time I really disagree with what you stated in your post Matt. Even more, seems that you missed something of my previous posts of Hungaroring in which I stated: "Evenmore you won't need any further marshall to control the other drivers behaviour, cause it's up to a driver that complains about the others breaking the rules to submit a complaint for track cutting. Nobody is asking to someone to watch all the race of every driver."
So, if you need someone that watch the replays for cutting after someone will submit an incident report, here I am, or you can simply give the work to Clive, that likes so much to watch the replays of his opponents to see how many centimeters they stolen to the track lenght.
I have to add a couple of things yet.
I quote you Matt: "My simple "Rule" is: Keep two wheels on the track surface on most laps." This rule does not clarify nothing. What does it mean this rule? What does it mean "most"? It means that you have to drive at least the 75%, the 80%, the 85%, the 90% of your laps "legally"? Does it mean that you can't cut the track more than 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, etc. times? What does it mean?
It's not difficult to make a rule for this kind of issue. If you give sense to that word "most" in terms of a percentage it becomes a very simple and OBJECTIVE rule. Example: race is 20 laps. the "most" percentage is 80%, so you are legal if you do not more than 4 cuts during the race. That's it.
Another example. Race is 22 laps. percentage of legal laps is still 80%. (22/100) x 80 = 17.6 you can round up/down that value to 17 or 18 laps. So if I cut more than 4/5 times, my drive will be considered illegal, and I could be penalized for that behaviour if someone will submit an incident report. The penalty could be done in terms of points, places lost or even in terms of seconds added to the race time, you decide. It could be gived in this way. Restarting by my first example: (20 laps - 80% of legal laps). If I cut 6 times during a race, I should receive 2 points for any further cut after the 4. In this case, I should receive 4 points of penalty. Same is with the places lost: You will lose a position for any further cut after the 4th. So, if I have 7 cuts, I will lost 3 places in the race.
All very simple and objective.
A Championship rule is like a law. You cannot take decision arbitrarily. The rule regards every driver in the same way, and if you do not use an objevtive rules, we will follow to read sentence like this "Anyone want to claim to have stayed between the white lines?" before the congratulations, as Clive did in Imola just after he passed the finish line, without even watching the replay. What is it? That remember me the movie "Minority Report" in which the precogs predict crimes before they had actually happended. I'm just tired about reading Clive's "charges" after every race, and I would like to comment the race, not the white line issue, but this trouble will have NO SOLUTIONS until the cut rule will reamin unchanged.
Another thing is that this is not an issue restricted to me, Clive, Matt, John, GT and Geoffers, and I would like to know if for every driver this cut rule is enough clear. By my side, I repeat that it is not, and even GT and Geoffers were on my thinking. I just quote the post after Hungary race written by Gt: "I think there is a real need for clarification of our general rules and everyone should then be in no doubt of what is legal/illegal and exactly what the consequences are. " Until now there has been no clarification at all. Our DQ cannot depend by a generic word like "most".
Last thing. Is it a legal behaviour to put the 2 internal tyres ON (not inside, ON!) the white line? I have a picture to show to clarify it better.
So, is that legal?
This is the replay of my totally outlaw lap, just to let you see what the game considered a legal cut in this lap:
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http://vda.forumfree.it/?act=Attach&type=post&id=530047639Thanks for your answer. See you on Thursday.